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Is Cain The Seed Of Adam

Is Cain the seed of Adam?

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 ---carol on 12/22/13
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The Scripture is very clear on this subject.

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

What is the point of this blog? To make the Bible say something it clearly doesn't say? To spiritualize the literal meaning to support some pet, non-biblical doctrine? If more people would spend their time reading what the Bible DOES say, and living by that, they wouldn't have the time to concoct theories from that which the Bible DOES NOT say.



---jerry6593 on 2/10/14


Warwick thank you for sharing. You are correct, I could not find any commentator or version of the bible that agrees with me either. Mark V, my post to you probably does not make any sense, and that is understandable, that post was predicated upon a post that was to follow it. Apparently that post has been disallowed for what ever reason. That is a shame. I think it would have been an entertaining, if not enlightening exchange had it been allowed to flow freely, apparently that is not going to happen. MarkV except for this statement, "I have much respect for your zeal for the Lord, as well as your steadfastness in your beliefs", disregard the rest.
---Josef on 1/9/14


"I have gotten a man from the LORD,"

This is about joy and redeemtion. without this new child the promise that "the offspring of Eve would not comeforth to bring about the messiah" would lead to Adam and Eve dying both spiritually and physically leading to no salvation.
---Scott1 on 1/7/14


Joseph I cannot find a translation of Genesis 4:1 or any commentator who agrees with you that I have gotten a man from the Lord is a lamentation. Only the opposite.

Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply. Therefore producing a child was fulfilling God's command- a cause for celebration. Her joy may have been double firstly considering their sin and God's dire pronouncement of the curse upon them. And secondly as some commentators suggest Eve may have thought this man child may be the one to crush Satan's head as prophesied in Genesis 3:15.

Children are after all a blessing from God "Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward" Psalm 127:3.
---Warwick on 1/6/14


\\Warwick, my point is this, "I have gotten a man from the LORD," Is a lamentation rather than an expression of Joy.\\

That's debatable.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/6/14




"Joseph I cannot make sense of what you have written. What is your point?"
Warwick, my point is this, "I have gotten a man from the LORD," Is a lamentation rather than an expression of Joy. If 'ganah' is defined properly, in this contexts, the verse reads I have to get a man from the LORD. Thank you MarkV for coming to my defense, I do appreciate it. I truly regret disappointing you. I have much respect for your zeal for the Lord, as well as your steadfastness in your beliefs. If you have ever voted for me, you might wish you could take that vote back after my next post:o) However I too am fully persuaded in what I have been given to believe, therefore will not argue those beliefs, or apologize for them.
---Josef on 1/6/14


Bro. Willie, thank you for you made my point real clear. In the flesh he was the brother of Abel, spiritually he was of the seed of satan.
---Mark_V. on 1/4/14


Yes Cain came from Adam & Eve like Cluny said showing scriptural reference. However because Cain was human & in the flesh he was the first one according to scriptures that acted out his sin to murder his brother Abel. He was jealous of his brother so he let the anger build up inside him. However again yes Adam was his father physically , no one else. Anyone reading differently is adding to scripture .
---Candice on 1/3/14


Cain was a descendant of Adam in the flesh, but spiritually he was of the seed of the serpent. God made that division in (Gen. 3:14,15) God curse the serpent physically, when He said,
"On your belly you shall go, and you shall eat dust all the days of your life" But in (v.15) God curse the serpent spiritually when He said,
" And I will put enmity between you and the woman, And between your seed and her (Seed). He shall bruise you head, And you shall bruise His heel" In this passage "your seed" are (Satan's seed, unbelievers who are called the devils children in (John 8:44).
"her Seed" Christ a ( descendant of Eve, and those in Him) which began in the garden.
---Mark_V. on 1/1/14


Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Just maybe they can point out the difference?
OMG Some people, right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/31/13




Let's not confuse "the ONE seed, which is Christ" with this conversation. It only muddies the waters.

Satan being an angel literally has NO seed / sperm to procreate. If that literally happened as some think outside the garden , Eve would not have referred to Cain as a MAN. Go back and re-read Eve's words when Cain was born. Also no scripture says Eve and Satan KNEW each other.

So when seed is used in the sense of Satan's seed, seed can also mean the seed of truth or seed of a lie. You reap what you sew, Is a good example. Satan planted the seed of a lie that Eve believed.
---kathr4453 on 12/31/13


Well, Carol, the Bible clearly does say that Cain was born from Eve.

But 1 John 3:12 says "Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother". So, spiritually Cain was of Satan, even if physically he was of Adam. And it does call Seth "his brother", which could mean physically he was his brother, though clearly he was not spiritually his brother.

Ones can be spiritually of Satan, but still family, by flesh and blood, with Christians.

You might consider 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 > showing me how God's people have more power about children, than Satan's people do.
---willie_c: on 12/31/13


Is Cain the seed of Adam?
I would say Cain is an offspring of Adam not the seed.
Of cause that would depend on what you mean by seed.

Rom_9:8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gen_22:2And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac,

Rom_9:10And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac,
Rom_9:11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth,)

Seth was the seed. Luk_3:38, right?
Peace
---TheSeg on 12/30/13


Genesis 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the Lord

So Cain certainly is of Adam.

When it said Adam KNEW His wife Eve..."KNEW" here means that of becoming one in the most intimate way where Eve conceived of Adam's seed.

AND Eve said What...I have begotten a man from Satan???? NO NO NO!
---kathr4453 on 12/30/13


Bro. Josef, I totally understand what you are explaining. You are speaking from the spiritual while Warwick is speaking of the physical, since all human being in the flesh are descendants of Adam, yet all descendants of Adam, spiritually are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3).
We become children of God spiritually when God makes us alive together with Christ.
Warwick is explaining the physical, you are explaining the Spiritual answer to the question of who's seed Cain is from.
---Mark_V. on 12/30/13


Joseph I cannot make sense of what you have written. What is your point?

My research does not agree with what you have written. Strongs 7014 explains Qayin (Cain) III. & #1451, proper name, masculine Cain, Kain eldest son of Adam and Eve.

I John 3:12 does not agree with what you have written simply saying Cain was evil. It calls Abel his brother so if Cain was "out of" Satan so therefore was Abel.
---Warwick on 12/29/13


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Concerning Gen. 4:1,2 The etymology of the name Cain alludes to 'the mourning of a woman'. (Strongs 7014 same as 7013 from 6969). The word "gotten" in verse 2 in the original language is 'ganah' defined "to procure". It was a lamenting from Eve stemming from the quilt of what she had done and the consequence of her seduction. Why the translators translated the word Hebrew word ganah as gotten I have no idea, the word is not translated this way any where else in O.T. scripture. 1 John 3:12 states that Cain "was 'of' (Strongs-G1537 "out of, from, by"), that wicked one."
---Josef on 12/28/13


I cannot imagine how any Bible believer would dispute that Cain is the offspring of Adam and Eve 'Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD" ' Genesis 4:1

As I understand it 'offspring" in Genesis 3:15 is referring to Jesus and His future victory over Satan, and is referred to as the Protoevangelium-the first gospel.
---Warwick on 12/28/13


Is Cain the seed of Adam? No.
In Gen. 3:15, the word seed is the hebrew word zera from the root zara and literally means, as applicable to this verse, Offspring, progeny, or descendants (also of one son when that son is an only son.) corresponding to Mat.13:38 where seed, from the greek word sperma is used, and means something sown i:e seed, including the male sperm, by implication offspring spec. a remnant. Also, the word children as used in Mat. 13:38 is the Greek word huios and means A son, child or kinship in a restricted sense, the male offspring (one born by a father and of a mother), in a wider sense, a descendant, one of the posterity of any one. Ref. Strongs
---Josef on 12/28/13


Carol run away from this idea. This is bad teaching.
---Scott1 on 12/27/13


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Cluny,
Do you even read the whole posts or just find something to pick apart?
---micha9344 on 12/27/13


\\Honestly, I was just repeating what some of the websites were saying.\\

And websites are always 100% accurate, aren't they?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/13


Honestly, I was just repeating what some of the websites were saying.
My previous post was a human outburst that should have never been sent, but I did. And for that I apologize.
Cluny does have a wealth of information, but I don't always agree with his delivery.
If my earlier post sounded as if I believed it, it was poorly worded.
Have we heard from Carol yet on what she is truly asking?
---micha9344 on 12/27/13


\\All hail the all-knowing Cluny. Just make sure you add the "Glorify Christ" at the end to make it less phariseeical.
---micha9344 on 12/26/13\\

Don't you just hate it when you're proven wrong, especially by the Bible?

And you might want to look up the meaning of "superfetation" in a dictionary.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/13


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All hail the all-knowing Cluny. Just make sure you add the "Glorify Christ" at the end to make it less phariseeical.
---micha9344 on 12/26/13


\\Cain and Abel were born from different fathers. \\

I've already given the scripture verse proving that Adam was Cain's father.

||Superfetation is when there are two fathers from twins.\\

Wrong. Superfetation is when there are two unborn children at different stages of development.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/13


Wow, presumably, even on Christian websites, Cain was not the seed of Adam, but the seed of Satan. Cain and Abel were born from different fathers. Superfetation is when there are two fathers from twins.
This is an attempt to explain the seed of Satan.
We don't even know if Cain and Abel were twins. Such readings would make Abram and his brothers, and Shem and his brothers born at the same time.
It is also not taking into account the flood of Noah's day wiping out the human race except 8.
Some of the reasoning is that nowhere in the Bible is Adam called Cain's father.
Another vain attempt to distort the Truth.
Satan has been doing it since the beginning.
---m_icha9344 on 12/26/13


\\No,Mr. Cluny, that is not my real question.
---carol on 12/24/13\\

Then what is your real question? Can you elaborate please?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/25/13


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Carol, it would be better if you explained what you mean with your question. Seems you do not like the answers that Cain was the seed of Adam, a descendant of Adam. If that was not good enough, what were you looking for? Can you explain?
---Mark_V. on 12/25/13


No,Mr. Cluny, that is not my real question.
---carol on 12/24/13


\\I was told to google-- seed of Adam -- I did and a lot of stuff came up about this subject. You can google it yourself and see what comes up.
---carol on 12/24/13\\

And of course, everything on the Internet (especially from GOODLE) is always 100% accurate, isn't it?

According to the Bible, Cain is of the seed of Adam, but Christ was not descended through Cain.

Is this your real question?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/13


I was told to google-- seed of Adam -- I did and a lot of stuff came up about this subject. You can google it yourself and see what comes up.
---carol on 12/24/13


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Carol are you perchance referring to Genesis 3:15 "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring (Hebrew 'zera'seed) and her offspring, he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel." If so I believe this is referring to the coming of Jesus who through His death and resurrection crushed Satan.
---Warwick on 12/24/13


Yes, of course he is. Could you expand your question somewhat please so that we can understand why you are asking this?
---Rita_H on 12/24/13


\\Why is he not in the lineage of Adam?
---carol on 12/23/13\\

Where did you get the idea Cain was NOT a decendant of Adam? (BTW, "in the lineage" means ANCESTOR, not descendant.)

Adam has no lineage, because he was directly created by God.

Read Genesis 4:1.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/24/13


You may be looking at the genealogies and not seeing him.
The genealogies throughout the Bible are from a certain person to a certain person.
Adam to Noah (Gen 5)
Shem to Abram (Gen 11)
As for Cain
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden
--Cain is not the promised seed, just as Ishmael and Esau. The Bible records the line to Christ, for He is the promised seed of the woman.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
---micha9344 on 12/24/13


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yes he is the seed of adam
---tjkarles on 12/23/13


Why is he not in the lineage of Adam?
---carol on 12/23/13


carol, why don't you tell us where you want to go with this?
---christan on 12/23/13


Yes. Cain is the seed of Adam & Eve.
---Jed on 12/23/13


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According to Genesis, he is.

Who else would have been his parents?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/22/13




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