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Should We Celebrate Christmas

Should we pray or celebrate "Christmas"? Because when we see around the world there is so much pain, sorrow, hunger and lack of Love.

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"And finally, "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21 Your christmas jesus is not even close to the Bible Jesus."-christan on 12/31/13
Isa 9:2,6 The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined....For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given...
Luke 2:12-14 And this [shall be] a sign unto you, Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
---micha9344 on 1/2/14


\\StrongAxe, what is it that says "Christmas Kontakion" that you do not understand that it's not Scriptural?\\

In other words, you have no idea where the Nativity Kontakion conflicts with Scripture. If you had one, you would have told it.

Apparently you don't believe that Jesus is God Incarnate.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/2/14


StrongAxe, what is it that says "Christmas Kontakion" that you do not understand that it's not Scriptural?

Does the Holy Bible teach Christmas? Just because the Kontakion is made to sound like the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ does't give it credence that it's the Bible Christ it's referring to. Making it to sound like Christ doesn't make it true.

Or Paul wouldn't have warn the sheep, "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Corinthians 11:4

Isn't the Christmas christ another Jesus? Sure sounds like it is to me.
---christan on 1/2/14


Without change You took a human form, by nature being God, O most compassionate Lord, and fulfilling the Law, You willingly accepted circumcision in the flesh, that You might banish shadows, and strip away the covering of our passions. Glory to Your goodness, glory to Your compassion, glory to Your ineffable condescension, O Word!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/1/14


Our family celebrated Jesus' birth this year the first week of October. However last week yes they did see the grandparents & get their gifts from them since its all about family. They know Jesus wasn't born in December & know not to celebrate his birth in the wrong month. Didn't affect them at all.
---Candice on 1/1/14




christan:

You said: By the way, that script you quoted? "..." and so on, most definitely did not come from the Bible but from your orthodoxy Christmas Kontakion (ah, the wonders of computers) pretending to be a Christian.

He never claimed that it was from the Bible. But can you cite any part of it that isn't true, or that contradicts what the Bible teaches?

Your internet service provider's Terms of service (and the Terms of Service for this site) aren't in the Bible either. So what? Do those cause you to scream "unbiblical!" at them, and shun their use? I don't think so either.
---StrongAxe on 12/31/13


For the last time this year:

Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One,
And the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One.
Angels with shepherds glorify HIm,
The Magi journey with the star,
Since for our sakes
The Pre-eternal God was born
As a little Child.


Thank you, Cluny, this is beautiful.

Christ is born,glorify Him!
---Monk_Brendan on 12/31/13


\\"Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One" and so on, most definitely did not come from the Bible\\

I never said it did. But what in the Christmas Kontakion goes against the Bible? Give BCV.

\\Have you not read,

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." - btw that's from Christ in Matthew 7:21.
---christan on 12/30/13
\\

Jesus was talking about YOU, christan.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/31/13


willie c, was that the mission of Christ on earth?

Scripture explicitly tells us, "Surely He hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him, and with his stripes we are healed." - sounds more like He came to suffer in order to make an atonement for His people's sin.

And finally, "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21

Your christmas jesus is not even close to the Bible Jesus.
---christan on 12/31/13


Hi, Imran (c: God bless you (c: Practically, the December 25 day where I am is during colder weather. And here people help the needy, partly because it is the "Christmas season". So, for this reason celebrating "Christmas" can mean help to people in need . . . so there is not so much "pain, sorrow, hunger and lack of Love."

There will always be evil, but we are wise not to allow the presence of evil to decide how we are and what we do (c:

Jesus left Heaven, itself, to come here and reach us and share with us. We celebrate this, by leaving our own little heavens, in order to reach and help others.
---willie_c: on 12/31/13




Cluny, the computer is similar to the celebration of a false god? I would have thought that the computer was merely an instrument of communication by the wonderful providence of God for this day He has made. Don't you think so?

By the way, that script you quoted? "Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One" and so on, most definitely did not come from the Bible but from your orthodoxy Christmas Kontakion (ah, the wonders of computers) pretending to be a Christian. Have you not read,

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." - btw that's from Christ in Matthew 7:21.
---christan on 12/30/13


I believe it is a great time to witness to others about why Jesus came into the world to begin with.
---kathr4453 on 12/30/13


Today the Virgin gives birth to the Transcendent One,
And the earth offers a cave to the Unapproachable One.
Angels with shepherds glorify HIm,
The Magi journey with the star,
Since for our sakes
The Pre-eternal God was born
As a little Child.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/13


christan, computers are not mentioned in the Bible, either. But that doesn't seem to stop you from using them.

Does your campaign against the Nativity of Christ make you feel a little bit more spiritual than the people who observe it?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/13


"Christfeast"? Why do you think Christ is not enough?
// (2 February), (25 March and 15 August), (29 September), (12 November) and others.//
And your point is?

Christmas is always the biggest birthday party of the year. Never mind that Jesus was most likely not born in December or January.
One thing is certain. We owe God every day of our lives not just a few days a year.

By Gods grace we learn that we are not under any commandment to observe holy days (Col 2:16-17). We have peace with God through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
---michael_e on 12/30/13


If Jesus is merely a human being--or the Logs a creation of God--it would make no sense to celebrate Christmas.

But If God was made flesh and born of a Virgin--THIS is what we celebrate.

Too bad you miss the point.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/30/13


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Birthday celebrations have only been mentioned twice in the Holy Bible, both belonging to pagan kings (I wonder why). And on both occasions two people were beheaded (the baker in Genesis 40:20 and of course John the Baptist in Matthew 14:6, Mark 6:21) for the celebration.

So to say that one celebrates the birthday of Christ annually is of a Holy occasion, you are only fooling yourself. What's even worse is the Scripture does not even make any mention that the children of God are to partake in this obviously pagan practice and than even have the audacity to claim you're giving thanks to God.
---christan on 12/30/13


\\Non-Christmas-keepers, preach to remove Mass from Christmass.\\

Why do you object to the word "mass"?

One of the meaning of Mass in English is "feast".

This is seen in such words as Candlemas (2 February), Ladymas (25 March and 15 August), Michaelmas (29 September), Martinmas (12 November) and others.

As the translators of the KJV asked, "Has the Kingdom of God now become words?"

Don't try to defend your aversion by saying that the "early church" didn't use the word. The "early church" didn't have individual copies of the Scriptures, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/29/13


Christ never told us the exact day he was born, although you can calculate the month pretty well (Its not Dec. or Jan.)
Non-Christmas-keepers, preach to remove Mass from Christmass. If we take the mass out, we only have Christ
They taught we shouldn't regard special days, that were not ordained in the Bible (Gal 4:9-10). Their idea was that we are complete in Christ every day (Gal 4:9-10)

Christ is the Lord who saves us through his shed blood and his resurrection from the dead.

Christmas is about the mythical nativity scene in front of the court house.
That's Christmas to most.

Trust in the preaching of the cross of Christ, let God be true. After that, there's nothing else to glory in (Gal 6:14).
---michael_e on 12/29/13


"Who cares where Christmas trees or decorations came from? Isn't the point that we choose to freely give thanks to God for sending our Saviour?" Warwick

"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me."
Exodus 20:4,5

Don't even fool yourself into thinking God will be please with your "thanks".
---christan on 12/29/13


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christan, jmarc, and others, Christians in Persia were arrested by agents of the God-hating demonic mahometan government.

Guess what they were doing?

Praying and celebrating the Nativity according to the Flesh of Our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus Christ!

Nice to know you're of one mind with the enemies of God in this matter.

Christ is born! Glorify HIm!
---Cluny on 12/29/13


\\ Definitions of 'pagan' vary \\
---David8318

I know it has a varied definition nowadays, but in the context of the decorations, they had religious significance to those way back


\\ I agree with you, 'it just shouldn't be called Christ'...What is your basis...\\
---David8318

For the same reason that we shouldn't cook a turkey and call it Christ, or fireworks, Easter eggs, or jack-o-lanterns, and call them Christ.

Someone could start a tradition of having a garage sale every Saturday and call it a Christian event.

That wouldn't make it any more Christian than a star on a tree

That garage sale is ok, and so is and end-of-year gift exchange.

But neither one is Christian
---James_L on 12/29/13


\\Screws, nails is not the issue or the difference.\\

If you go EXACTLY by what the Bible says, It IS an issue and it IS a difference!

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/13


'Would that make him pagan?'- James_L.

Definitions of 'pagan' vary from an 'irreligious person', a 'heathen' to, 'anyone outside the 3 mainstream religions- Christian, Islam or Judaism'. I would place atheism in any of those categories.

Thus I would argue he is already pagan. Not that those practices make him pagan- he is already pagan- which is why he uses pagan decorations at this time of year. At least he knows why he decorates a tree in his front room.

I agree with you, 'it just shouldn't be called Christ'. But why James shouldn't it be called Christ? What is your basis for deciding these practices should not be associated with Christ?
---David8318 on 12/29/13


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\\But it's your own soul that's accountable to God.
---christan on 12/29/1\\

Right. To God, NOT to you.

And if you could read, you would have seen that I do NOT put up a Christmas tree, as it's meaningless to me.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/29/13


It appears to me that some of you are getting the trappings mixed up with the celebration. Who cares where Christmas trees or decorations came from? Isn't the point that we choose to freely give thanks to God for sending our Saviour? God knows our hearts, as does no man, and He knows when our thanksgiving is genuine.

Let us worship the Lord Jesus Christ in Spirit and in Truth and show the world what Christmas actually means.
---Warwick on 12/28/13


Jeremiah was written way way way before 17th century. How one can't see the similarity to what's written by Jeremiah to the tree in your house during the festive period is clear you're one who's in denial.

It may not have been called christmas celebrations then but make no mistake, the description given by Jeremiah is uncanny to your christmas celebrations. Screws, nails is not the issue or the difference.

It was a heathen celebration that was being described by Jeremiah that set the tone of what's being written by the prophet. Just because you call it christmas makes it Christian? But it's your own soul that's accountable to God.
---christan on 12/29/13


Your pitiful attempts to claim the moral high ground by indulging in spiritual abuse and bullying are not working, christan.

Christmas trees actually originated in Germany in the 17 century. In no way do they have any historical or continuing connection with Nordic, much less Middle Eastern, paganism.

As far as your condemning Christmas trees, there's a verse in the LXX Psalter: "Be exalted, O Lord, on the cypress, pine, and cedar."

Prove that this is NOT referring to Christmas trees.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/28/13


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jmarc, "The early true church never used words like mass, Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa Claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripture!" The "early church" also didn't use things like Ford, Chevrolet, Toyota, Nissan, etc., does that mean Christians aren't to use these because they aren't in the Bible either? We shouldn't "celebrate/worship" things for any reason, but, just because the world used them doesn't mean that we can't. The LBGT community uses the rainbow as their symbol today, does that mean we should change Scripture to indicate something other than the rainbow to represent God's promise to the people of the earth that HE would never destroy the earth by flood again?
---tommy3454 on 12/28/13


"To begin with modern Christmas trees are fastened with screws and not nails, so this passage clearly does not apply." Cluny

For all your vain efforts to demonstrate of wise your thinking is, Paul simply says, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

How you cannot see the traditions of the heathens Jeremiah was talking about is still being practiced today is amusing and sad. Just because you label it with Christ's birth makes it Christian? Ya right...
---christan on 12/28/13


My parents split when I was 11. Mother didn't want to put up a tree and just retreated into herself.

So the same year a small boy lost both his father AND the typical American Christmas.

It wasn't until I got saved and left the Baptists that Christmas started having SPIRITUAL significance to me.

I still don't decorate or put up a tree, because these practices mean nothing to me.

What I love are the special services the few days before and the Christmas Divine Liturgy.

And one thing Christmas means to the Orthodox: Lent's coming with the achingly beautiful services.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/28/13


\\ I called at a house full of decorations- lights flashing and a large xmas tree inside the house etc...

The atheist said he wasn't celebrating the birth of Jesus. He explained the pagan/non-God meanings to the xmas tree, reith and lights. \\
---David8318 on 12/25/13


That's my point exactly.

If he were an atheist, then he saw no religious significance in any of the trees, lights, etc. So what if he knew the origins? Would that make him pagan? no

Because pagans acknowledge "a" god, whoever that might be.
It could even be someone they call Jesus.

That atheist was simply participating in a custom, or tradition

Nothing wrong with it, it just shouldn't be called Christ.
---James_L on 12/28/13


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Should we pray OR celebrate Christmas you ask. We can celebrate Christmas by praying as part of our celebration. It should not be either/or. They should intermingle. Celebrate does not mean the same thing to all people though.

We can celebrate Christ's birth and help the hungry and show love to others. Celebrate does not mean 'eat too much, drink too much and lose your senses'.

Celebrate, in this context, should mean praise God for sending His Son. Christians can 'enjoy' Christmas just as much as others do but slightly differently.
---Rita_H on 12/28/13


\\Any similarities?
---christan on 12/27/13\\

Not at all.

To begin with modern Christmas trees are fastened with screws and not nails, so this passage clearly does not apply.

Next, mahometans condemn Christmas trees, so you are merely of one mind with them.

We repent of your abominations, christan, and ask that they not be added to our charge.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/13


"Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you,
O house of Israel:
Thus saith the Lord,
LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven,
for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain:
for one cutteth a tree out of the forest,
the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold,
they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree,
but speak not: they must needs be borne,
because they cannot go.
Be not afraid of them,
for they cannot do evil,
neither also is it in them to do good."

Jeremiah 10:1-5

Any similarities?
---christan on 12/27/13


Ya right! All Luke 2 seem to be describing is the birth of Christ and definitely not about "the shepherds saw the angels celebrating the Birth of Christ." Those are your words and not of the Bible or you would have shown us the exact verse you claim is in the Bible.

"And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them." Luke 2:20

"Celeberating" isn't even part of the description given to the birth of Christ. What's there to be "celeberating" when the man Christ was going to be crucified for the sins of His people?

Are you a sadist?
---christan on 12/27/13


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The early true church never used words like mass, Christmas, holly, wreath, mistletoe ,Rudolph, Santa Claus,and Christmas tree, and were never mentioned in scripture!

The early apostate church adopted pagan winter solstice observances, lacing them into professing Christianity The 4th century!

Jeremiah 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen
---jmarc on 12/27/13


1st Thessalonians5:21-22 Prove all things, hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil. Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! IS christmas a good thing? Where has all the greed,covetousness,and materalism of this pagan holiday wrapped in "christian" paper lead us?
---jmarc on 12/27/13


Jeremiah 10:1-5

"Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you,
O house of Israel:
Thus saith the Lord,
Learn not the way of the heathen,
and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven,
for the heathen are dismayed at them.
For the customs of the people are vain:
for one cutteth a tree out of the forest,
the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
They deck it with silver and with gold,
they fasten it with nails and with hammers,
that it move not.
They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not:
they must needs be borne, because they cannot go.
Be not afraid of them, for they cannot do evil,
neither also is it in them to do good."
---christan on 12/27/13


The falling away that was prophesied is occurring,the lawless one,the man of sin has been revealed! HE is courting and excluding all of us in this blogg! Gla.4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in BONDAGE? 10 Ye observe DAYS, and months, and times, and years. 17 They zealously affect you, but not well, yea, they would exclude you, that ye might affect them.18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing, and not only when I am present with you.
---jmarc on 12/27/13


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Cluny just a thought,I feel that when we love one another and show it we do honor and glorify Christ. We learned to love the Lord and praise Him from childhood and I am so grateful that God and His son Christ have been taught in our family for the seven generations I have known in my lifetime and even further. My Grandmothers Grandfather was a circuit riding Methodist preacher, I've often thought of how the Love of God is passed down through the generations. Glory to God.
---Darlene_1 on 12/27/13


\\cluny, Im as old as noah and we have always celebrated Christmas. it is a time for thanksgiving and giving. \\

And where did I suggest that you had not done so, shira?

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/13


Joy is not sin. It is appropriate because of what God has done. "The wise man will avoid all extremes." If you feel your sorrow for the world is more important than Christmas, mourn righteously, however, do not impose feelings and convictions upon others that God has not imposed them upon. We have a right to rejoice just as much as we have to mourn, and you may very well be a reminder of the suffering to hold our hearts on this balance, but remember that by no means should sorrow overwhelm our outlook on life, God is in control of all tragedy, He is risen.
---Caleb on 12/27/13


To all who suffer from christmas keeping, tree bowing pagans in christian wrapping paper, Who will afflict with repeated acts of cruelty those who show the truth of the lie they bought into:

Hold on the real Christ!
You are not the first to to be belittled!

2nd Tim. 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I AM NOT ASHAMED: for I KNOW WHOM I have believed, and am persuaded that HE is able to keep that which I have committed unto HIM against that day.
---jmarc on 12/27/13


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Dear Lord, we confess and repent of jmarc's sin for refusing to celebrate the Nativity in the Flesh of Your only-begotten Son, Jesus Christ!

We abhor that he is of one mind with the God-hating, demon possessed mahometans who say the same thing.

Forgive us of his abominations.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/13


\\"The angels of heaven celebrated the Birth of Christ. Go argue with them." Cluny

That's not even from the Holy Bible!\\

Yes, it is. It's in Luke 2, christan.

And the shepherds saw the angels celebrating the Birth of Christ.

Now go sit in the corner for being wrong.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/27/13


Our Father in Heaven,
It was a public sin, so i pray pubicaly.
i humbly confess and beg forgiveness for me, my Father, and Grand Fathers of the disobedience we commited.

Christmas trees we put up,

giving Santa lists of things we wanted but did't need,

teaching our children songs that teach lies,

gluttonising our selves at the festivities,

putting up the mistletoe,

celebrating the birthday of Christ when you never commanded it.

Forgive us Lord of these abominations.

i repent!

In the name of the one true Christ, Yashua the Anointed Messiah, the real Jesus, Amen
---jmarc on 12/27/13


"The angels of heaven celebrated the Birth of Christ. Go argue with them." Cluny

That's not even from the Holy Bible! You're just adding on to the Word of God to justify your love for birthday celebrations and christmas. You simply say things from your own heart to mix truth with your lies.

"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain."

Furthermore, there's nothing to argue with you about since you can't even produce the exact verse of what you have claimed came from the Holy Bible. You have been found wanting with your pack of lies.

And by the way, do grow up and speak like a man that you are.
---christan on 12/27/13


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Gal 4:8-11 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
So, the Galatians observed Christmas before they knew God and started going back to observing Christmas, so Paul was rebuking them?
---micha9344 on 12/27/13


\\ And where does the Bible say you are to be "observing the Nativity of our Lord"??? I'm certain it's not in the Holy Bible. \\

Right after the verse that says, "christan, use computers and the internet."

The angels of heaven celebrated the Birth of Christ. Go argue with them.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/13


"Galatians was written to Gentile Christians who were adopting Jewish practices. It has nothing to do with observing the Nativity of our Lord." Cluny

What do you think Paul was rebuking the Galatians for? Here, "Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." Sounds like pagan festivals right?

And you think it doesn't apply to the Christians today? And where does the Bible say you are to be "observing the Nativity of our Lord"??? I'm certain it's not in the Holy Bible. Maybe you like to correct me by showing me the verse you got that from.

And you dare accuse me of not speaking the truth?
---christan on 12/26/13


cluny, Im as old as noah and we have always celebrated Christmas. it is a time for thanksgiving and giving. I get a blessing out of giving so I do enjoy Christmas. do I think Jesus was born dec 25? I don't know when He was born but he is alive and well.
---shira4368 on 12/26/13


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In 1833, Abraham Lincoln voted in the Illinois legislature AGAINST making Christmas a state holiday.

Oddly enough, he voted with the majority.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/13


I cannot imagine how anyone would see anything wrong in celebrating the fact that God our Saviour came to dwell among men! This does not mean we take part in celebrating a worldly Christmas.
---Warwick on 12/26/13


Christian, what church do you attend?
---NurseRobert on 12/26/13


Anglo-American Christmas customs actually date only to the mid 19th century.

For the longest time in the USA, Calvinism had pretty much squelched public or even private observance of Christmas, except possibly in the South. This is a legacy from the Protectorate, when government officials would go through the streets shouting, "No Christmas! No Christmas!" and even peeking into residences.

Alabama was the first state to make Christmas a legal holiday in 1836.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/13


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Would not celebrating Christmas help get rid of the pain, sorrow, hunger of lack of love you mentioned?
---wivv on 12/26/13


Acts 10:15 And the voice [spake] unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, [that] call not thou common.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
1Th 4:7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
The day itself is not evil nor good. It is how you choose to use the day that makes it so.
Psa 118:24 This [is] the day [which] the LORD hath made, we will rejoice and be glad in it.
---micha9344 on 12/26/13


Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:15,16
---christan on 12/25/13\\

But you DON'T tell the truth, christan.

Galatians was written to Gentile Christians who were adopting Jewish practices. It has nothing to do with observing the Nativity of our Lord.

Christ is born! Glorify Him!
---Cluny on 12/26/13


"We were dead in our trespasses and sins and unclean, but God makes us holy."

"Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." Galatians 4:8-11

"Where is then the blessedness ye spake of?... Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" Galatians 4:15,16
---christan on 12/25/13


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\\There is nothing godly about the xmas celebration. The early church did no such thing. It is not in the Bible... You can't take something unclean and make it holy\\

First off, if you think you're making a stand for God by using the spelling "xmas," you're not.

The X is the first letter of the Greek word XPICTOC, and is a standard abbreviation in such forms as Xn, Xnity, and yes, Xmas.

Next, if you think you can't take make something unclean holy, you're missing the point of the Xn gospel.

We were dead in our trespasses and sins and unclean, but God makes us holy.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/25/13


'I don't call it Pagan (as David8318 does)'

Last week on my Christian ministry I called at a house full of decorations- lights flashing and a large xmas tree inside the house etc... but the man who came to the door identified himself as a staunch atheist. I enquired tactfully pointing to the large holly reith nailed to his door as to why he was celebrating the alleged "birth" of Jesus when he doesn't believe.

The atheist said he wasn't celebrating the birth of Jesus. He explained the pagan/non-God meanings to the xmas tree, reith and lights. I agreed and explained true Christians do not celebrate for those very reasons.

It is the time of year when atheism and false-Christianity are united in their false worship.
---David8318 on 12/25/13


Recently, I heard a woman comment that she's sick and tired of Christians always trying to take over "our" (whoever that may be) holidays

I really had to agree in large part.

December 25th is a holiday in the same sense that Labor Day is a holiday

I don't call it Pagan (as David8318 does) because people see no religious value in the gifts, lights, trees, snowmen, Santa Claus, etc.

I don't know of a single person who has a deity in mind when he's shopping for an x-box or blowing up an inflatable Rudolph

I'm not against people, even Christians, celebrating the holiday, but I would prefer that Christ NOT be attached to this secular season

The two are mutually exclusive
---James_L on 12/25/13


There is nothing godly about the xmas celebration. The early church did no such thing. It is not in the Bible... You can't take something unclean and make it holy. .
---mike on 12/25/13


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MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!




---jerry6593 on 12/25/13


"As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive." Genesis 50:20

Amazing how some people can turn a verse from the account of Joseph and his brothers into something to represent the deception of Christmas into something that God wanted His people to do.

As for declaring December 25 as the day Christ was born (which is an outright LIE) and even have the audacity to say "But what is being celebrated is not the day, but the FACT." How does one merry a Truth with a LIE and still say it's FACT is truly amazing.
---christan on 12/25/13


Ecclesiastes 7:1-4
A good name is better than precious ointment,and the day of death then the day of one's birth.Better to go to the house of mourning then go to the house of feasting.For that is the end of all men,and the living will take it to heart.Sorrow is better the laughter,for by a sad countenance the heart is made better.The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning. But the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.

Celebrate the Death.
---mike on 12/25/13


the date of Christ birth is actually not important but while God means it for good, satan means it for evil. it saddens me to see all the frenzy to try to outbuy each other. Christmas use to be fun but the way people act now is turned me cold against this "holiday". so in that respect "Merry Christ Birthday" to everyone. I almost feel like the Grinch.
---shira4368 on 12/24/13


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Should we pray or celebrate "Christmas"?

December 25th is the most sacred day on the pagan calendar. Everyone knows the date is not mentioned in the Bible and has nothing to do with Christ or his birth.

Even if the Bible did supply the exact date of Jesus' birth, pagans would still celebrate on December 25th. It is important for pagans to perpetuate their sacred holy-day of December 25th at all cost.

Christians celebrate Jesus' birth and life every day of the year.

The Bible provides strong evidence Jesus was born end September beginning October. This is derived from the fact Jesus was born 15 months after John's conception which occurred during 'the Division of Abijah'- Luke 1:5,26.
---David8318 on 12/24/13


\=\Now here's where the lines becomes blur - to declare that December 25 was the day He was born.\\

Someone (whose name escapes me) in 211 or so figured that 25 December was the calendar date of the Holy Nativity of Christ.

But what is being celebrated is not the day, but the FACT.

Too bad you can't tell the difference.

And if you looked to the Bible for everything you did in your church, you would not have invitation hymns, altar calls, revivals, collections take up during the service, or even hymnals or pews.

Christmas Eve gift!
---Cluny on 12/24/13


God has given us his word we can use it to bless or we can use it to condemn, James 3:10. So again it is always back to what you sow will be what you reap. The birth of Christ Jesus is a time to celebrate. If we as believers just do that not worrying about what the world tries to do. Then our light will shine through the darkness and our Father who is in Heaven will be Glorified. That is his perfect will. We as believers can be a blessing.
---BRYAN on 12/24/13


Blurring the lines between biblical Truth and unfounded fact is very dangerous.

No Christian will ever deny that Jesus Christ was the Word and became flesh. And even more so, He's God.

Now here's where the lines becomes blur - to declare that December 25 was the day He was born. Where does one even get this date from? The Bible? Where does it say so? Unless one can provide Scriptural backing, this is no more a fact but a LIE/DECEPTION.

Some will argue that if it's not mentioned then what makes it wrong if they do it? Well, truth be told, you are adding on to the Word and there's consequence to that, "If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book."
---christan on 12/23/13


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Despite being incorrectly remembered (just a commercial treat for shop owners really) it is one of the rare occasions when Christ gets a mention - even though he 'only' just gets that mention. We don't have to do it the way of the world but can keep that aspect to a minimum and ensure that Christ shines through.

We don't have to follow others like lost sheep.
---Rita_H on 12/24/13


-Cluny That's right on the money good answer.
---BRYAN on 12/23/13


What is being celebrated on 25 December is not an historical date, but a theological FACT--that God became a full human being to reconcile us to Himself.

is this not cause for celebration? Think how much worse thing would be WITHOUT this having happened.

And as God Incarnate Himself said, "in the world you have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have OVERCOME the world."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/23/13


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