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Is Theistic Evolution Biblical

Is Theistic Evolution a valid concept for Christians? Did God employ long-age darwinian Evolution in the creation of earth's animals and mankind?

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"They were appointed to stumble, and to be disobedient. Who could do such a thing to them? God."
Mark_V.

I have asked this many times before and never get a Biblical answer from those who post such lies.

How can God be Just if He causes someone to rebell and then condemns them for doing what He ordained?

The fact is He doesn't. He has set life and death before us. He then instructs us to choose life. We willing accept one or the other.
---Elder on 2/9/14


MarkV: "Even those who are disobedient to the Word are appointed to hell"

"They were appointed to stumble, and to be disobedient."

You imply that God caused the disobedience, and that they were "appointed" to hell before they disobeyed. Is that why YOU disobey God's direct Commandments? Does God make you do it? Are YOU therefore "appointed" to hell?

Also, did disobedience come about due to Theistic Evolution?

Also, did God cause Adam & Eve to disobey HM? If so, why?




---jerry6593 on 2/9/14


Jerry, God gives life to whomever He wants. Even those who are starving to death in Africa. Who are dying for water, or food for their children. God still give them life. Oh, you can go ahead and blame sin in the world, yet God still permits them to be born. Is that the God you read in the Bible? He does what pleases Him, not what pleases you. And what He does is always just. The way you talk, you will never understand that everything, that happens is in control by God. Even those who are disobedient to the Word are appointed to hell,
"They stumble, being disobedient to the Word. to which "they were also appointed"
They were appointed to stumble, and to be disobedient. Who could do such a thing to them? God.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/14


Warwick, you say you teach in churches, why don't you answer me this,
"Was it love to have the Canaanites, Amorite, and other nations slaughtered? Women children and babies, anything that breath?" God commanded it. And how about God sending the Angel of death to kill all the first born who didn't put the blood on the doors? They were never told to put blood on the doors. All those died a terrible death, can you explain that act by God? You know God is omnipotent, and omniscient. He knew what He was going to do to them before He had them slaughtered. You forget He can do whatsoever He wants with His creation. It's His creation not anyone else's. All sin against God, the miracle is that He saves some, all deserve death.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/14


Warwick 2: The way God set His plan was, that through Adam's fall, God would display His wonderful attributes and His love for those whom He was going to save. God set the rules, that because of one man's sin, all mankind would be found guilty not just Adam. And since all now deserve hell for breaking His laws, He can save some from heading to hell. You seem to imply that God owes salvation to everyone otherwise in your eyes He is not a loving God. But God owes nothing to sinful man. Only those given faith, will say yes to Christ. Without God giving them that faith, they will always say no. They will remain spiritually dead in trespasses and sins. That is why we are told that there is none who seek after God (Rom. 3:11).
---Mark_V. on 2/8/14




Jerry, you are correct. If some are to be believed God is not someone to love.

If the predestination group are correct God created hell for those who had no choice, being predestined to end up there no matter what they did or did not do!
---Warwick on 2/7/14


Warwick: "What a monster the T/E God is."

He must be the same as the predestination god who creates the majority of his children for the sole purpose of torturing them continually with fire.



---jerry6593 on 2/7/14


Other than being a contradiction of Scripture Theistic Evolution (T/E) is an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms.

Deuteronomy 32:4 "The Rock, his work is perfect..." If T/E is indeed the method God used to create then the horrors genetic mutations cause (disfigurement, disease, intense suffering and early death) are directed by God and are therefore "perfect."

1 Timothy 4:4 "For everything created by God is good,..." Imagine your long-awaited child is born with Cerebral Palsy for example, meaning they may never speak, move under their own power and will suffer continually. If T/E is correct God caused this, purposely! What a monster the T/E God is.
---Warwick on 2/6/14


Axey: "You miss that Theistic Evolution assumes events are NOT random, but directed by God."

Then they (events), by definition, are not Evolution. Do you believe that God "directs" mutations and Natural Selection (survival of the fittest)? Do you think that the birth of Christ was a "mutation"?



---jerry6593 on 2/6/14


Cluny:

Peter said: But we can say that Christ was the Word of God

You said: No, we cannot say that. We can say Christ IS (not was) the Word of God.

Why can't both be correct? Wasn't Christ the Word of God yesterday as well as today, and also tomorrow?



jerry6593:

You asked: Since you are a believer in Theistic Evolution, do you think that Christ's incarnation was a random event brought on by Darwinian natural selection or mutation?

You miss that Theistic Evolution assumes events are NOT random, but directed by God.
---StrongAxe on 2/5/14




"\\But we can say that Christ was the Word of God
---Peter on 2/4/14\\
No, we cannot say that. We can say Christ IS (not was) the Word of God. But not in the sense the Bible is."-Cluny on 2/5/14
Although "was" implies a noncontinuousness, when used in conjunction with the present and future tenses, it fulfills its desired purpose of inifiniteness.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
-was and is and is to come.
I agree with the rest of Cluny's post.
---micha9344 on 2/5/14


\\But we can say that Christ was the Word of God
---Peter on 2/4/14\\

No, we cannot say that.

We can say Christ IS (not was) the Word of God.

But not in the sense the Bible is.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/14


Cluny: 'This doesn't mean that Jesus is the same thing as the Bible'.

Well, there are some problems. 'The Word' could be only 'The Word of God', while is about both God's actions and the actions of people. That would mean there is a difference.

The other difficulty is that 'The Word of God' is not only what is written in the Bible. There are still prophets even now, who speak the Word of God - but it is not written into the Bible. There is even a verse in Revelation 10:4, where John is told not to write down what an angel had said - so what the angel said, though that was inspired by God, John was told NOT to put it into the Bible.

Yes, Cluny, there are some differences.

But we can say that Christ was the Word of God
---Peter on 2/4/14


Cluny: Back on topic ....

Since you are a believer in Theistic Evolution, do you think that Christ's incarnation was a random event brought on by Darwinian natural selection or mutation?





---jerry6593 on 1/30/14


Jesus, the Word, God's Son is the same one in the bible.
---shira4368 on 1/29/14


\\John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
---shira4368 on 1/28/14\\

This doesn't mean that Jesus is the same thing as the Bible, as some seem to think here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/29/14


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Cluny: Back on topic ....

Since you are a believer in Theistic Evolution, do you think that Christ's incarnation was a random event brought on by Darwinian natural selection or mutation?
---jerry6593 on 1/29/14


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
---shira4368 on 1/28/14


Well then Cluny,
I'll give it a try and see whether you are correct.
\\If God spoke and Jesus is the Word made flesh, wouldn't He be that Word that God had spoken?\\Nope. The Incarnate Word is something essentially different from the written word...that Jesus is the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible, and you have just confirmed it."-Cluny on 1/20/14
--So I wrote "spoken" and you derived "written" while coming to the conclusion what some believe about "everything in the Bible."
And you don't think your misunderstanding led you to the wrong conclusion, or even had a misunderstanding whatsoever?
Again, it is only God that can give you, and me, the correct understanding.
Gal 6:1,3
---micha9344 on 1/27/14


\\I am not the one able to give you this understanding.
---micha9344 on 1/21/14\\

That's because you don't understand, yourself.

You cannot give what you do not have.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/14


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Jesus Christ, the Word eternal and internal brought forth, begotten, external and eternal.
I believe we can agree that Christ has been there throughout history and did appear to certain people before He humbled himself and took on the form of a servant.
I believe this is what most call a Christophony, but Cluny could give you better details.
---micha9344 on 1/22/14


\\If God spoke and Jesus is the Word made flesh, wouldn't He be that Word that God had spoken?\\

I agree with Cluny (believe it or not). If God the Father had spoken Jesus into existence, then Jesus would be a created being - like the angels. But He is not. He was "begotten" of the Father, and was in existence with Him from eternity past, as:

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus Himself was indeed the Creator, as can be seen from Heb 1:2.

The incarnation of God as a human child is a divine mystery, but shows the close connection He has with our race - "God with us".



---jerry6593 on 1/22/14


Wow, Cluny, way to misunderstand.
I never thought it would be you to not catch on or grasp a statement.
I am not the one able to give you this understanding.
---micha9344 on 1/21/14


\\If God spoke and Jesus is the Word made flesh, wouldn't He be that Word that God had spoken?\\

Nope.

The Incarnate Word is something essentially different from the written word.

I've always suspected that many people here thought "The Word was made flesh" was nothing but another way of saying that Jesus is the perfect embodiment of everything in the Bible, and you have just confirmed it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/14


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While I disagree with jerry on certain aspects concerning the Decalogue, I will say this:
If God spoke and Jesus is the Word made flesh, wouldn't He be that Word that God had spoken?
Since only what God speaks is Truth and Jesus said He was the Truth, wouldn't that mean Jesus had to be there in some regard?
The O.T. does not separate the aspects of God that we see in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in the N.T. So, when it says God did this or said that, rest assured that it may not be the Father at that point.
Elohim- a plural word for the one True and Living God.
John 1
---micha9344 on 1/20/14


Hi Peter:

That Jesus was indeed the God of the Exodus can be seen from:

1Co 10:4 .... for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

That Jesus authored the Ten Commandments Himself in stone can be seen from:

Exo 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Apparently, unlike the rest of scripture, the Ten Commandments were so important to Jesus that He wrote them Himself.



---jerry6593 on 1/20/14


jerry6593 on 1/19/14: Your comment to Cluny actually has a factual error.

You state 'Jesus (to Whom you allege to give glory) wrote with His own finger in stone' and then you list it as Exod 20:8-11.

However, Exod 20:8-11 is actually begins with (Exod 20:1 'And God SPOKE all these things' NOT WROTE

You are quoting the wrong passage here. God giving the tablets is Exod 31:18
---Peter on 1/19/14


Cluny: So you have noticed that the word day in the Bible can mean a normal day of the week or an historical period - just like it does today. Big deal! The issue here is the length of the days in Creation Week. Jesus (to Whom you allege to give glory) wrote with His own finger in stone that the Creation days were equivalent to the ordinary week days that we were to count in order to rest on the ONE AND ONLY DAY HE MADE HOLY - the Seventh-day Sabbath (See Exo 20:8-11).

How long are your week days?

How long is your week?

Why on earth would you insist on long-age interpretations of the word "day" in Genesis if not to exalt the Satanic doctrine of Evolution?

Glory to Jesus the Creator!


---jerry6593 on 1/19/14


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Jesus said, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day and was glad."

Was this day only 24 hours long?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/14


/Is the "day of evil," mentioned in Proverbs and Jeremiah, and referred to elsewhere in these blogs just 24 hours long?/-Cluny on 1/16/14
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Jer 17:17 Be not a terror unto me: thou [art] my hope in the day of evil.
These are still grammatically more examples relating to Gen 2:4 where God used the word "day" for an indefinite period of time, not being associated with a number nor any part of a normal day (evening/morning).
The proof is there. It is up to you to accept it or not.
---micha9344 on 1/17/14


Cluny: Only an idiot could misconstrue:

Exo 20:9-11 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, ... For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Where do you think the week came from, if not from this? Are you confused as to the length of YOUR days?



---jerry6593 on 1/17/14


Is the "day of evil," mentioned in Proverbs and Jeremiah, and referred to elsewhere in these blogs just 24 hours long?

Or is it longer?

Or shorter?

Prove your point of view.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/16/14


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You choose to restrict. But, let us see what Jesus had to say about the Law.
Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
-This is in reference to Psa 82:6, not even in the Pentateuch, yet Jesus refered to it as "your law."
How about Genesis?
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
-Are only the parts that Jesus quotes inspired and true?
Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
-I still am unsure how many books are in your bible, 1st_cliff.
---micha9344 on 1/15/14


Jerry said: No, I don't think you are lying. To espouse something that is untrue is not lying if you really believe it. ...

Jerry, let us not be too literal when it comes to my posts. Instead, think of what I last said as "in error."

However, I believe you to be in error when it comes to the correct understanding of the Eucharist. I will pray for you if you...

Pray for me.
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/11/14


Micha, What you cited in Deut. was the law of the covenant , not historical Genesis!
Written language (circa 1500 BCE) was still in it's primitive stage in a line with no vowels or punctuation!
---1st_cliff on 1/11/14


**********************

Brendan: "Okay, if you think I'm lying, then pray for me."

No, I don't think you are lying. To espouse something that is untrue is not lying if you really believe it. For example, most supporters of Theistic Evolution REALLY believe that God used mutation or natural selection to achieve His creation of new species. They are not lying - but they are wrong.

*********************


---jerry6593 on 1/11/14


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"Jerry, Point being ,no evidence of pre-flood writing
means history was handed down orally , how accurate is that?
No one knows for sure!"-1st_cliff on 1/10/14
--You are right Cliff. It was handed down orally. But we do know for sure.
Deu 17:18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of [that which is] before the priests the Levites:
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
--The Pentateuch, which included Genesis, has been known for ages as the "Book of the Law." From Whom do you think Moses got it?
---micha9344 on 1/11/14


Jerry, Point being ,no evidence of pre-flood writing
means history was handed down orally , how accurate is that?
No one knows for sure!
---1st_cliff on 1/10/14


So, now we have 5773, 7522, or 6018 years since the beginning of creation, the average being 6437.
It does seem kind of odd that men cannot add one year after another to get the same answer.
Are some years missing, others counted multiple times?
Certain reasoning might lead one to believe the higher number is more accurate, but that may just be an ill-informed conclusion.
The Bible chronologies, even in their original text, give a tighter range of age than these (1749).
Only a hundred to two hundred numbers need added.
With a +/-1 at 200 that is still a range of 400.
So a definite number from the beginning can be derived with less than a +/-200 accuracy.
Let's see carbon or radio isotope dating do that.
---micha9344 on 1/10/14


\\This is year 5773 on the Jewish calendar , Quite a discrepancy , no one knows for sure! just sayin'\\

My point is that NEITHER of these ancient chronologies, agree with Abp. Ussher's chronology, which sets creation in 4004 BC.

Christ is baptized!
---Cluny on 1/10/14


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Jerry said: Monk: "ESSENCE" ??? The "essence" of your argument is self-deception. Jesus' miracles involved REAL, tangible, scientifically testable evidences - not some mysterious "essence". The blind REALLY could see and the water REALLY became wine.

Okay, if you think I'm lying, then pray for me. I won't argue it anymore.

Pray for me

the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/10/14


Cliff & Cluny: Whether 5773 or 7522 years, neither is even close to the hundreds of millions of years required to support any form of evolutionary creation. So, what's your point?



---jerry6593 on 1/10/14


This is year 5773 on the Jewish calendar , Quite a discrepancy , no one knows for sure! just sayin'
---1st_cliff on 1/9/14


According to the ancient Byzantine chronology, which was adopted by the Russians and used until the time of Peter the Great (who changed the times and seasons), this is year 7522 since Adam and Eve were created.

Just mentioning.

Christ is baptized.
---Cluny on 1/9/14


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****************

Monk: "ESSENCE" ??? The "essence" of your argument is self-deception. Jesus' miracles involved REAL, tangible, scientifically testable evidences - not some mysterious "essence". The blind REALLY could see and the water REALLY became wine.

Jesus Himself confirmed that the bread and wine were spiritual metaphors when the disciples grumbled about cannibalism:

Joh 6:63 ... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Let's get back to the topic. Do you believe in Theistic Evolution?

*********************


---jerry6593 on 1/9/14


Warwick, Not so, JWs celebrate "memorial" once a year with wine and bread on Nisan14 !
Each mind should be owned by the individual not by sects or denominations as observed on here!
---1st_cliff on 1/9/14


Jerry said: No, it didn't and it doesn't...The simplest scientific tests will show that the communion emblems are bread and wine - nothing more...

Jerry, the whole idea of transubstantiation is that the elements still look like bread and wine--down to the atomic level and beyond. But the ESSENCE of the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus. It is a MIRACLE, and supposed to be taken by faith.

Pray for me
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/8/14


Cliff you are correct I can prove nothing to you as the receiver has to be rational to accept proof.

Sadly the Watchtower still owns your mind.
---Warwick on 1/8/14


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Warwick, My point exactly, you can not prove me wrong.'
Millions believe it just like a lot of other nonsense touted by evangelicals who believe that their brand of Christianity is exclusive !
"We" believe it, therefore it must be true!
---1st_cliff on 1/8/14


Cliff I have no desire to prove anything to you. In fact there is nothing I could prove to you.
---Warwick on 1/8/14


Warwick, The answer is "no one" prove me wrong!
---1st_cliff on 1/8/14


Cliff I know from long experience that you always have a hidden agenda so will not answer your question. Please answer it for us!
---Warwick on 1/8/14


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Warwick, Who heard Jesus say "Keep doing this in remembrance of me"?
---1st_cliff on 1/7/14


Steveng:

I meant that sometimes when God acts, he does so obviously and instantly. But sometimes he takes his time. When someone is defeated, they can no longer harm you. Yet even after Jesus defeated Satan, Satan continues to do much harm (and will continue to do s). Therefore, his defeat has been started, but is not yet complete.

Because of Adam, all men die. Jesus defeated death, but Christians still die. Thus, Jesus's conquering death is something that is also begun not yet complete.
---StrongAxe on 1/7/14


I have looked and the bread has not become flesh and the wine is still wine.

Jesus also said "I am the vine, you are the branches" John 15:5 and "I am the way, and the truth, and the life" John 14:6.

These things are spiritual metaphors as Jesus is not, for example, literally a vine.

In the bread and wine Jesus chose two common things with which His followers could remember Him, every time they partook.
---Warwick on 1/7/14


**************

Monk: "This is my Body...This is my Blood," the bread and wine became His Body and Blood. And they still do today!"

No, it didn't and it doesn't. Cluny likes to use this last supper metaphor as an example of continuous Theistic Evolution. The simplest scientific tests will show that the communion emblems are bread and wine - nothing more. It takes as much BLIND faith to believe in transubstantiation as in Evolution.

*************


---jerry6593 on 1/7/14


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I thought it was the other way around.
John 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
John 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Luke 22:18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
---micha9344 on 1/6/14


Cluny said: So when God Inarnate said, "This is My Body. This is My Blood." over bread and wine. what do you think happened?

Ooh ooh! I know, I know! (Waving hand in air)

When the Logos--the Second Person of the Trinity--said, "This is my Body...This is my Blood," the bread and wine became His Body and Blood. And they still do today!

Pray for me!
The unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/6/14


StrongAxe, I don't knwo what you are refering to about the Jesus and weather comment I made. It was refering to the miracle at sea with the apostles fearfull of the storm and Jesus spoke and the storm subsided.

As for your comment, Jesus 'personally' defeated the devil as christians are able. Jesus is our example about how to defeat Satan. Satan is still here and now until the second return of Jesus in which he will then be chained up for a thousand years, and at the end of a thousand years Satan will be destroyed permanantly.
---Steveng on 1/4/14


-christan I agree the devil has no power. But he still can deceive. In fact that is all he can do. Get you to believe something other than the truth of the power of God in you. By tell you things like God does not heal people any more. God has never said that in his word any were. Where did we get it from? ___ deceiver.
---BRYAN on 1/4/14


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The Bible was written for man, by God-2 Timothy 3:16.

English translations were obviously done for those who understand this language, those who know what 6 minutes, 6 hours, 6 days, 6 weeks and 6 years... mean. This is why all English translations say God made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, in 6 days-Exodus 20:11. Those who reject what Genesis and Exodus say are claiming God has willingly deceived us by doing one thing but saying He did another!

Those who push the idea that God used evolution to create do not get their false idea from Scripture but from the changing opinions of fallible sinful men. Therefore it is these people who are being deceitful, not God.
---Warwick on 1/4/14


The devil and death are two separate spiritual entity.

The defeat of the devil was already on the cards when God spoke, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." Genesis 3:15

The devil doesn't have the power of death. "The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law." 1 Corinthians 15:56 - ie death was created by God to deal with sin. And when Christ rose from the dead, He conquered death, "But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
---christan on 1/4/14


Does time in the sense as we understand it have any relevance to God. He has already seen our beginning and our end. So how God formed our body is irrelevant, the body formed from the "DUST" of the ground. How long did that take until he like it? It's his time we are his creation not the other way around. Then he Breath his life into it us. Read it for yourself. Your just living in a body waiting to go where you belong.
---BRYAN on 1/4/14


"Bad company corrupts good character." I don't see evolution as anything more than an excuse not to believe in God. We can integrate it into our own beliefs if we want, but it is important not to do so because of simply not wanting to seem stupid to those who believe in it. The Bible puts days very clearly in multiple places to show seven actual days, so there is nothing wrong with believing that. The issue here is to not compromise on an honest assessment of truth simply because you want to be accepted by the majority, and that is an important lesson for anyone. "If I was still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ."
---caleb8446 on 1/4/14


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Steveng:

You wrote: Jesus didn't need to wait until the weather at sea got better, it was instantaneous when he spoke it.

Yet, Jesus defeated the devil by his death and resurrection - yet judging by the state of the world (not to mention prophecies like Revelation), this defeat has not yet been completed even 2000 years later. Sometimes God acts instantly, sometimes he takes his time.
---StrongAxe on 1/4/14


\\All the other miracles - the healings, the bringing back to life - in the bible were instantaneous when spoken so why couldn't the universe be created in six earthly days?\\

So when God Inarnate said, "This is My Body. This is My Blood." over bread and wine. what do you think happened?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/4/14


One of the many problems with the theistic evolution oxymoron is that it places death before sin while the OT and the NT explain death as a consequence of Adam's sin.

What is the truth? The constantly changing beliefs of sinful man who wasn't there or what our perfect unchanging God says? That's a no brainer.
---Warwick on 1/4/14


**************

Peter & christan:

Please notice the question mark at the end of the blog question. It is a question - not a statement. O course I don't believe in Crazy Uncle Charlie's evolutionary fantasy. I'm just trying to draw Bible doubters into the discussion.

****************

---jerry6593 on 1/4/14


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The major conflict christians have is "time."

God spoke everything into existance at the time he spoke it. It's possible with God.

Jesus didn't need to wait for weeks to turn water into wine, it was instantaneous.

Jesus didn't need to wait until the weather at sea got better, it was instantaneous when he spoke it.

God didn't need to wait for a drought to happen for the Israelites to cross the sea, it was instantaneous when he spoke it.

All the other miracles - the healings, the bringing back to life - in the bible were instantaneous when spoken so why couldn't the universe be created in six earthly days?
---Steveng on 1/3/14


So, who do you believe God or man?

God says he created the universe in six earthly days and the biblical genealogy shows the earth being from six to ten thousand years old.

On the other hand, man says that according to man's scientific calculations the earth is five billion years old.

God put into place all things in the universe from the atom to the largest star.

Now, if God created the earth yesterday man will still calculate the rocks as five billions years because that's the way the rocks were created.

The same with the light of the stars. God created the light beam as he spoke it even though man's scientific calulations says it's billions of years.
---Steveng on 1/3/14


Jerry, why do you bother with evolution?

The Bible tells us God made everything

Is that not enough?

I know we do not understand HOW God made the world, but we never know how

I just take the "how" as one of those things I will never know (like how this computer I write this stuff actually works!!!!)

Blessings
---Peter on 1/3/14


The straight-forward answer is that God created as he tells us in Scripture-in 6 days without any time for, nor need of evolutionary processes.

Darwinian evolution is essentially an evil antiChristian racist belief. Read Dr Carl Wieland's book 'One Human Family' e.g. p.50 where the consequence of Darwin's viewpoint is explained "The European race, following the inevitable laws of natural selection, will emerge as the distinct species, human being, and all the transitional forms-such as the gorilla, chimpanzee, Negro, Australian aborigine and so on-will be extinct." This says Negroes, Australian aborigines etc are sub human. Such thinking gave Hitler his ideas which lead to the extermination of millions of 'sub-humans.'
---Warwick on 1/3/14


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Basic evolution and geology:
sun before earth
stars before earth
sun before plants
dinosaurs(land animals) before birds
land animals before whales(sea creatures)
Bible account:
earth before sun
earth before stars
plants before sun
sea and air creatures before land animals.
I'm not sure how God can use something that is almost the direct opposite of His Word.
It takes much more (blind) faith to believe in evolution than the recorded Word of God.
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
---micha9344 on 1/3/14


"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth AFTER HIS KIND: and it was so." Genesis 1:24

"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." Genesis 2:7

What is it that's written in the first two chapters of Genesis you find hard to believe that your darwinian evolution is even questioning the Word of God? Have you ever even questioned Darwin with the Word of God?
---christan on 1/2/14


Personally I don't see any of God's creation evolving. But that doesn't mean He didn't take time to create.
After 6 thousand years dogs are still dogs, crows are still crows albeit there variety within the species that has nothing to do with evolving! Except for size and color there are no differences within the kind!
---1st_cliff on 1/2/14


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