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When taking Communion, do you drink Wine or Grape Juice?

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There is one lawgiver and judge who is able to save and to destroy. So who, then, are you to judge your neighbor?
---Rod4Him on 2/4/14


A fool does not delight in understanding,
But only in revealing his own mind.

Do not contend with a man without cause,
If he has done you no harm.
---Rod4Him on 2/4/14


\\Who says I don't? Are you the judge? Of all people to say such a thing.
---Rod4Him on 2/3/14\\

Your own words judge you. I will remind you of what you said to another:

\\I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do pick up on your rudeness and arrogance, what religion do you represent?
---Rod4Him on 1/31/14\\

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/4/14


//Then why don't you allow others the same grace you show yourself, Rod//

Who says I don't? Are you the judge? Of all people to say such a thing.
---Rod4Him on 2/3/14


\\I may, but "Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus."
---Rod4Him on 2/2/14\\

Then why don't you allow others the same grace you show yourself, Rod?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/3/14




//Of course, you NEVER show rudeness, do you, Rod?"

I may, but "Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus."
---Rod4Him on 2/2/14


\\I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do pick up on your rudeness and arrogance, what religion do you represent?
---Rod4Him on 1/31/14\\

Of course, you NEVER show rudeness, do you, Rod?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/14


Ahhh..... Yea, Jim Jones, the Kool Aid King.

Thanks Cluny. Whew, I needed that.
---Elder on 2/1/14


strongax, we all know alcoholics always start with 1 glass of wine, or spirits of any kind. everything we do starts with one taste, one look, one thought then acting on those thoughts. no one is immune from evil. I have also seen people with chronic pain take 1 pain pill and very soon, addiction.
---shira4368 on 1/31/14


"//Wow! David Keresh and the Branch Davidians would'a just loved you. lol//

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do pick up on your rudeness and arrogance, what religion do you represent?"
Rod4Him

I can see you can't take a joke.

I don't know what religion you represent but I represent no religion. You must feel good in your religion though. Religion is worship of something, anything and not normally the correct person.

PS: Were you sober when you wrote this?...
---Elder on 2/1/14




\\Wow! David Keresh and the Branch Davidians would'a just loved you. lol
---Elder on 1/31/14\\

Elder, this was Jim Jones and the Jonestown tragedy.

But i've noticed that some things tend to blur and merge in the popular consciousness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/14


//Wow! David Keresh and the Branch Davidians would'a just loved you. lol//

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I do pick up on your rudeness and arrogance, what religion do you represent?
---Rod4Him on 1/31/14


" I drink whatever the group I am with is serving."

Wow! David Keresh and the Branch Davidians would'a just loved you. lol
---Elder on 1/31/14


I will never compromise my beliefs in order to go with the crowd. actually I don't hang around those who do one thing and make like another when they go to church.
---shira4368 on 1/31/14


Some good common resources is Wkiepedia Alcohol in the Bible.

Web sites how to make Grape wine. Which shows many do not really understand the making of wine from grape juice as my dad used to do.

The Book Wine in the Bible by by Samuele Bacchiocchi

These three are easy to find and read.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/31/14


Answering the blog question, I drink whatever the group I am with is serving.

In ancient times grapes were primarily made into wine. In the levant water was scarce and was stored in cisterns. Therefore wine was mixed with water to make it potable.

Remember the story about wine skins, grade juice expands as it ferments.

As others have mentioned, in Europe and the Middle East, people drink wine and never think about a prohibition against it.

Personally I never developed a taste for it, but I'll usually drink it if it is served.
---Rod4Him on 1/31/14


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Samuel you cannot stop wine from fermenting as wine is the result of crushed grapes fermenting therefore to be wine it has already fermented. Stored correctly it can remain in good condition for many years, even decades.

Timothy tells us overseers and deacons must not be drunkards. Drunkards are those whose lives are given over to excess. This does not mean they or we cannot drink wine. Likewise he tells us (1 Timothy 3:8) they must not be "not greedy for dishonest gain." Does that mean they cannot pursue proper gain?
---Warwick on 1/31/14


\\Jews would boil the wine to keep it from fermenting and store longer. \\

That would merely produce brandy, of a higher alcoholic content than wine.

\\So that had both which has been proved from historical records.\\

By whom? Please give us references to these records.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/29/14


I posted Bible verses that show the evil of Wine are not to be discussed but just dismissed why?

As for nonalcoholic wine at Passover. Jews would boil the wine to keep it from fermenting and store longer. So that had both which has been proved from historical records.


Pro 31:4

It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, nor for princes strong drink:

Are we not supposed to be kings?


Isa 28:7

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way, the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink, they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/29/14


\\Hello,Bro.Cluny all respect, re: It stands to reason,as I post at the church' most have alot of people who for one reason or other,they had a history alcoholism. Grape juice\\

Actually, the two religious groups that have the LOWEST incidence of alcoholism are Mormons and traditional observant Jews.

Most people, including Protestants in Europe, simply don't have the taboo against alcoholic drinks found in the USA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/29/14


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timothy took wine for his stomach sake. maybe bad water, bad food or whatever. alcohol kills germs.
---shira4368 on 1/28/14


Hello,Bro.Cluny all respect, re: It stands to reason,as I post at the church' most have alot of people who for one reason or other,they had a history alcoholism. Grape juice..

Love of Jesus! Thanks,
Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 1/28/14


shira4368:

As has been pointed out before many times on other blogs, yes, the Bible usually condemns wine and strong drink - because they can often lead to drunkeness. BUT there are also several places where the Bible recommends wine and/or strong drink. This means that they are not universally evil - just thing to be treated with caution and discernment. Jesus himself drank wine. Was THAT a sin?

If you personally have problems with them, then by all means, stay away from them! But this does not mean that everyone else necessarily should.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/14


shira4368 on 1/28/14 :"God condemned it so why would Jesus drink it?"

You may claim that God condemned it, but that is clearly from your condemnation of alcohol, not from God.

Why, if God condemns wine, does the Bible TELL someone to take wine? (1 Tim 5:23).

Does God condemn what the Bible tells someone to do

No, you personally have a problem with wine
---Peter on 1/28/14


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Shira..Nevermind.
---aka on 1/28/14


In the last supper, it would only be possible for them to have grape juice if Jesus made it miraculously.

Passover is in the spring, while grapes are gathered in the fall and early winter.

If you press the grapes to get juice, from December (the last month when you can gather grapes) to Passover, grape juice would be rotten.

The only way to keep grape juice till Passover would be to freeze it - but they did not have our modern electric freezers then

So no grape juice
---Peter on 1/28/14


Jesus drinking wine was to confuse skeptics. the bible is full of how wicked strong drink is. Jesus would have never drank strong drink. God condemned it so why would Jesus drink it?
---shira4368 on 1/28/14


\\Long as I can remember at church they used grape juice because it stand to reason\\

Does it? How?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/28/14


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John the Baptist never drank wine.
Luke 1:15

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink, and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

We now know that alcohol poisons babies in the womb.


Rom 14:21

It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

What do you think this means?


1Ti 3:3

Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre, but patient, not a brawler, not covetous,

Well seems like more then good advice to not drink wine.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/28/14


Goodmorning,everyone,all.respect to all.
Long as I can remember at church they used grape juice because it stand to reason...

Many ( may have been previously in bondage - alcohol addiction) so, common courtesy - grape juice.

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 1/28/14


Wine! Christ turned water to wine not Welches. He drank wine at the last supper not sparkling grape juice, grape cool aid, or even grape Nehi! If it was good enough for Christ it is good enough for me. How can we improve on perfection? Or do you think he was less than perfect???
---trey on 1/27/14


cluny, don't be stupid. you know as well as me what I am talking about. you play dumb but now Im wondering if you really are dumb. I do happen to know my prayers and songs are not in vain. maybe yours are.
---shira4368 on 1/27/14


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\\when we are repetitive in vain is one thing but we can repeat glory to God and sing the same songs and pray the same prayers\\

So your repetitions are never vain, but only those of others.

Is this what you're saying?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/27/14


when we are repetitive in vain is one thing but we can repeat glory to God and sing the same songs and pray the same prayers. I pray the same prayers almost everyday. God, please save my family, convict their hearts in Jesus name, amen.
---shira4368 on 1/26/14


Cluny you spread discord and disrespect to people like Shirl and others.

You condemn others for spelling errors and make them yourself. You are critical, hateful and arrogant.

Then you say, "Glory to Jesus Christ!"

If someone else was doing that you'd be all over them with both stinky feet.

So now you can eat your own bread.
---Elder on 1/26/14


\\Glory to Jesus Christ... just it don't happen through Clunys vain repetition.
---Elder on 1/25/14\\

Or yours?

If you sing the same hymn twice, or a hymn with a refrain, is this not just as vain repetition?

BTW, you're the first person I've met who thinks that giving glory to Him is vain repetition. Says more about you than about me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/14


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"The Bible is NOT a cookbook, in case you have not heard."
Cluny

You are the only one who seems to think it is.

Remember BCV means Book, chapter, verse. You always whine that.

I never said give me the Bible BCV. You fell for it again. Ha ha ha.

Glory to Jesus Christ... just it don't happen through Clunys vain repetition.
---Elder on 1/25/14


\\Prove it is yeast. Give BCV\\

Prove it is not. Give BCV.

The Bible is NOT a cookbook, in case you have not heard.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/14


"The point is that YOU try to change the meaning of he Bible."
Peter

No one has tried to change anything. We are discussing a chemical process.

I Tim 5:23, "Oinos" is a general word that implies fermentation. It can refer to non-alcoholic vinegar as in Matt 27:34, or medical advice. It can refer to evil or judgement of nations.

Oinos comes from Melos a Hebrew word that means, parts of the body.

There is the application in Titus 1:7, Paroinos rendered Tarrying / staying near / given over to wine.

Para means near / in the vicinity of / contrary to.

So, don't tarry at wine. It affects you too much.
---Elder on 1/25/14


Elder on 1/24/14: 'Prove it is yeast. Give BCV....'

Elder: The Bible has plenty of verses on being 'drunk on wine'. Are you assuming this could happen if there was no yeast there?

You tell Cluny to PROVE there was yeast there. The term in 1 Time 5:23 (where Timthy is told to take some wine), the term (oinos) is used specifically for fermented drink, though it was usually diluted with water before drinking.

The point is that YOU try to change the meaning of he Bible - the Bible says wine, and you try to avoid it 1 Tim 5:23 uses word used only for fermented drink
---Peter on 1/24/14


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Cluny I was just showing how vain you are.

Prove it is yeast. Give BCV....

Now don't let you plate of flour rise so much because of yeast that you have to move out.
---Elder on 1/24/14


\\Rising of bread is caused by the breakdown of the starches in flour.\\

And just what do you think breaks down the starches in the flour, producing carbon dioxide and alcohol (which is driven off by baking) to start with?

It's YEAST!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/14


Well Cluny they had femented wine in the days of JESUS. But most considered it very poor quality. But they also stored wine by heating and stopping fermentation so they could keep it longer. There is a research book on the topic that I have read. Wine in the Bible by Samuele Bacchiochi. I hope I spelled it correctly. You could try reading it.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/14


"And what do you think makes your non-yeasted bread to rise?
It's the yeast that float in the air and lands on it."
Cluny

What?? You mean this is not gamma rays from planet Zoar shot from the Mother Ship Bellcrede?

Rising of bread is caused by the breakdown of the starches in flour. It produces carbon dioxide which expands the gluten proteins in the flour and causes the dough to expand/rise. If there is yeast added there is more rise/air/gasses in the product.

Don't you remember anything from Chem 101?

Put a plate of flour out and see how high it rises because of your yeast in the air.
PS: Yeast will form in a dirty house.
---Elder on 1/23/14


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\\Bread rises to its own level with out the ingredient of yeast.\\

And what do you think makes your non-yeasted bread to rise?

It's the yeast that float in the air and lands on it.

Obviously, you know nothing about bread making.

\\ A bump or knock will cause yeast bread to drop. \\

You're confusing yeast bread with souffles or cakes, which use chemical leavening (baking powder, baking soda).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/14


"Yeast bread, not quick breads, was what was being considered.
I thought you had enough sense to see that. I was mistaken."
Cluny

Yes, you are mistaken quite often.

It is you who brought yeast into the discussion. It is what you considerd.

Yeast is used in bread to make it rise artificially. Bread rises to its own level with out the ingredient of yeast. A bump or knock will cause yeast bread to drop.

It is the same with artificial intelligence.

It's like your superior intelligence must use yeast also. It ain't much without it. And... I ain't mistaken!
---Elder on 1/22/14


If my friends get together (commune) and break bread and sup drink, it is always good to remember the One who paid for it.

in the morning, I prefer oj, but grape juice will do. With certain friends, I may enjoy some pink muscato in the p.m..

When you commune, does your church serve wafers, crackers, or unleavened bread? I think maybe we should share Wonder Bread.
---aka on 1/22/14


\\But not for all groups. Jews have denominations and changes since the days of JESUS. So could you look up what the practice was in the days of JESUS?
---Samuelb77 on 1/21/14\\

As far as my research has gone, Jews always used FERMENTED wine at the time of Jesus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/14


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Dear Cluny

I added a caveat that I did not know how common the practice is among Jews today. So what you wrote is correct for that group.

But not for all groups. Jews have denominations and changes since the days of JESUS. So could you look up what the practice was in the days of JESUS?
---Samuelb77 on 1/21/14


\\It is a fact that you can make bread and not use yeast. So what now?
---Elder on 1/20/14\\

Yeast bread, not quick breads, was what was being considered.

I thought you had enough sense to see that. I was mistaken.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/14


It is a fact that you can make bread and not use yeast. So what now?
---Elder on 1/20/14


\\Since alcohol come from yeast it is a product that must be removed and not used. \\

Wrong.

According to the strictest Kashuroth for Passover, wine MAY be used, as it cannot ferment further because the yeast is killed when it reaches 10-12% alcohol.

However, rice or other grains may not be eaten because they MIGHT ferment from yeast in the air falling upon them after they are cooked.

My source for this--an Orthodox Jew.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/14


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Cluny to me as a cook a sifter and a strainer aren't the same thing. A sifter refines The texture of flour by adding air and fluffing up the flour each time its sifted. A strainer removes impurities from liquid but adds nothing to the texture of the liquid,it only makes sure there are no more particles of matter or impurities in the liquid. Blessings
---Darlene_1 on 1/20/14


There is no doubt left that it was real wine that Jesus made from water. It clearly states the guests thought the host had saved the best wine for last which usually they served it first. The best wine is the one which is allowed to age and when grape juice is aged it becomes wine.
---Darlene_1 on 1/20/14


Well I do not know how common a practice it is now. But in the days of JESUS all yeast and products with yeast had to be removed from the house since that is what the rules for Passover require.

Since alcohol come from yeast it is a product that must be removed and not used.

Also in the sites and my dad who used to make his own wine say. Yeast and sugar must be added on purpose since natural fermentation gets you more vinegar then wine.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/20/14


Scott1, Expense is hardly an issue with 25.000 people tithing !
---1st_cliff on 1/18/14


Agreed but we are a mega-church already and the lie that church is all about collecting money is already there. Actually most church both small and large have about 25 to 30% tithe collection based on average living expense of the area and number of adult attendees etc. The amount we could give away would be astronomical if all did tithe, but here is to hope. Also, we have better things to spend money on than choosing grape juice or wine - like new campuses and kids equipment.
---Scott1 on 1/20/14


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"Both wine and bread start off as liquids to which yeast is added."

I was led to believe that wine started off with fruits or grains. But so much for that.

You are so much more knowledgeable than myself on these subjects. My uncle was a wine maker. I should'a learned more from him I guess. So I'll just try to learn from you.

So please tell me, at which point does a liquid become flour from which we get bread?

How come there is not alcoholic bread for sale anywhere? Or do you know somewhere it is?
---Elder on 1/20/14


\\To remove stems, seeds, leaves, and the like. You don't want things like that in your bread do you? That's why flour's sifted.\\

I didn't have enough words to add that a sifter and a strainer are basically the same things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/14


\\If you process bread the same way you do wine then yes it would rot.\\

Both wine and bread start off as liquids to which yeast is added.

\\Bread takes about two hours.\\

If you let it rise the same length of time you let grape juice ferment, it would have the same percentage of alcohol.

\\Wine takes much much longer.\\

And when it reaches about 10-12% alcohol the fermentation stops, because the alcohol kills the yeast. The same thing would happen with bread dough.

\\ If there was no rot why would the wine mixture need to be strained?\\

To remove stems, seeds, leaves, and the like. You don't want things like that in your bread do you? That's why flour's sifted.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/14


\\Monk: Any amount of alcohol can set me off\\

I understand, Trish. He was mistaken on this point.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/14


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"Do you call the process by which bread rises "rot"?
The fermentation of bread is EXACTLY the same as the production of wine."
Cluny

Oh really now. If you process bread the same way you do wine then yes it would rot.

Bread takes about two hours. Wine takes much much longer. If there was no rot why would the wine mixture need to be strained? So leave the bread dough to rise as long as wine is left to work and see what you get. Bettcha won't eat it!!

How much alcohol content is in bread? Your spelling on this post appears to be flawless your knowledge of the subject doesn't.
---Elder on 1/19/14


\\Why would we celebrate/remember the purity of the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ with something that has to rot first?\\

Do you call the process by which bread rises "rot"?

The fermentation of bread is EXACTLY the same as the production of wine.

Fermentation is NOT rot.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/14


Monk: Any amount of alcohol can set me off, that's why my doctors won't prescribe me any cough syrups with alcohol. Nor do I use mouthwash with alcohol. Nyquil has alcohol, so I don't buy it.

Unless you've walked in our shoes, don't be so dismissive about such matters.
---Trish on 1/18/14


Scott1, Expense is hardly an issue with 25.000 people tithing !
---1st_cliff on 1/18/14


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In order to make wine something must rot. In the rotting process the mixture ingredients begin to "move" and/or "work."

The Drunkards 23 Psm is in Prov 23:29-35.
Verse 31 says, "Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moveth itself aright."

Why would we celebrate/remember the purity of the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ with something that has to rot first? Why would we use something that has a warning from God attached to it? Notice that alcohol will bite like the serpent (Satan) or a deadly snake?

Prov 23:32 At the last it bitheth like a serpent and stingeth like an adder.
---Elder on 1/18/14


\\ALL Protestant churches used grape juice until a Methodist minister named Welch learned how to pasteurize grape juice to keep it from fermenting in the 19th century.\\

I meant to say "ALL Protestant churches used WINE....."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/14


We use wine. Unless grape juice is pasteurized, it will automatically begin to ferment, as there are wild yeasts that live on the skin of any grape. Fermentation gives alcohol, along with a slightly tangier flavor.

There are de-alcoholized wines that are available out there, if anyone has any problems with the alcoholic content.

However, the amount of alcohol in the sip of wine that one gets when receiving the Eucharist is not enough to set anyone off, and if there is someone (in my church) that really has a problem, the priest will give him just the bread part of communion
---Monk_Brendan on 1/18/14


We use wine. Unless grape juice is pasteurized, it will automatically begin to ferment, as there are wild yeasts that live on the skin of any grape. Fermentation gives alcohol, along with a slightly tangier flavor.

There are de-alcoholized wines that are available out there, if anyone has any problems with the alcoholic content.

However, the amount of alcohol in the sip of wine that one gets when receiving the Eucharist is not enough to set anyone off, and if there is someone (in my church) that really has a problem, the priest will give him just the bread part of communion

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 1/18/14


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Wine.

If it was grape juice, I think scripture would have said, woo - woo - woo - welches.
---Lawrence on 1/18/14


All the Orthodox and pre-Reformation churches use wine mingled with a little water, just like the example in the Bible.

ALL Protestant churches used grape juice until a Methodist minister named Welch learned how to pasteurize grape juice to keep it from fermenting in the 19th century.

Rather late to change, isn't it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/14


We use grape juice as wine could be detrimental to recovering Alcoholics.
---Blogger9211 on 1/18/14


Scott
I never really thought about it before, but that would be very expensive and the reason the church doesn't serve wine.

Has anyone of you had wine when taking their Communion?
I never have, and I was wondering if there could be an experience were all missing.
---David on 1/18/14


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Grape juice.
---KarenD on 1/17/14


When my husband was in the Army, the chapel services offered both wine and grape juice. The churches since then have only offered grape juice.
---Grandma on 1/17/14


Grape Juice.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/17/14


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