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my dear friend in Christ, Bro Elder, we need to put this predestination to rest. markv, Christian, and some other dude is blowing this thing out of proportion. it is getting God's attention in a big way. I don't know about you, but I am not responding anymore to these people. I know what you state is the truth and they keep calling you a liar. I have put them aside as not knowing any better. thanks for your knowledge and especially when you keep trying to show the truth here. satan does stir the pot and try to bring in false gospels. we are both aware of satan's tactics. Im done with these 3 people.
---shira4368 on 1/26/14


"What's wrong with that? Jesus did not hesitate to do so."

Show us any place where Jesus used a misapplied worldly word meaning to try to prove a spiritual point.

Show us any place that He twisted a word meaning to try to make His point.

Show us any place where He took a word meaning and added something to it to make a point.

Show us any place where Jesus' statements did not match the truth.
---Eldr on 1/26/14


\\Of course you use the secular to explain the spiritual. It appears that you always do.\\

What's wrong with that? Jesus did not hesitate to do so.

"If I have told you of earthly things, how will you understand heavenly things?"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/26/14


If the only way to become a Christian is to be called to it. Then we are all called, If your a Christian you answered the call. What is your next step? If that is all that is required? Why were we given so much more than just salvation? Jesus ask us to become sons of God as he is. If this is not a true statement why would he have given us all? We are to let him live through us. To reach that calling you have to become a disciple because a disciple will be as his master or teacher not greater but his equal. Jesus is unwilling to leave any behind he gave his all for us all (mankind). Who answers the call?
---BRYAN on 1/26/14


Christan://Adetunji, election and predestination is "ungodly salvation"?// NO. It is your own interpretation of this terms that are strange. The bible verses you quote are not wrong but your interpretations are so strange & uncommon. 2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
---Adetunji on 1/26/14




"And what do you call the dictionary you refer to in the Webster's Collegiate Dictionary?"
christian

Boy are you and MarkV grasping at straws...

You said the dictionary stated something that the advanced Webster's Collegiate Dictionary doesn't. I just showed that even your dictionary didn't back up your statement.
Now you try to change what you said.

You both try to make statements fit your doctrine of error. I guess it helps your effort to say somone is not a chrstian. You do that all the time too.

Yep, my christianity will make laughter and joy. Yours will cause weeping and crying.

You are the ones that go to the world and try to prove the spiritual, not me.
---Elder on 1/26/14


Yea, MarkV, and when did you stop calling names and condeming folks who disagree with your falsehoods?



---Eldr on 1/26/14


markv, God chose US before the foundation of the world. no where can you show me us means a few chosen. It is NOT in the bible. God sent His Son to save all if they only believe. beside that, bro elder has more knowledge than 10 people on this blog.
---shira4368 on 1/26/14


Elder, without calling names can you answer without them?
Here is the passage Christan gave,
" "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world"."
Are you claiming the passage is lying, and God did not chose us who believe, before the foundation of the world?
Here is ordained,
"command formally: to order or establish something formally, especially by law or by some other authority

Synonyms: order decree proclaim enact lay down command rule adjudge"

Isn't that what God did before the foundation of the world? Why do you argue against the Truth?
---Mark_V. on 1/26/14


"Of course you use the secular to explain the spiritual. It appears that you always do." Elder

And what do you call the dictionary you refer to in the Webster's Collegiate Dictionary? A spiritual dictionary of the Holy Bible? Is there even such a thing as a spiritual dictionary?

I gave you a definition from a secular dictionary that defines "ordain" as ""to decree, appoint, or predestine irrevocably" and word for word it's found in the Holy Bible.

So guess who's more blind and unconverted? That the secular dictionary can define ordain" in every sense of the spiritual as compared to you who call yourself a Christian. What a joke you are to the faith!
---christan on 1/26/14




Why do you all argue around the truth.
---BRYAN on 1/25/14


"I'll use the secular dictionary to humor your understanding of the word "ordain". This is what the dictionary defines "ordain" in context of the Holy Bible - "to decree, appoint, or predestine irrevocably"."
christian

Not in Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. Plus this ordain is to an office or position not to salvation.

Of course you use the secular to explain the spiritual. It appears that you always do.

You go to the world to understand the spiritual.
That's typical for you.

In a vain attempt to make yourself look correct you do this.

Embarrassing isn't it? Nah, not for you. You think it is spiritual and Godly.....
Wrong again! What color is your parachute?
---Elder on 1/25/14


\\Elder, I'll use the secular dictionary to humor your understanding of the word "ordain". \\

In some several contexts, words can have meanings which differ from the ones in secular dictionary.

This applies to the professions of law, medicine, and engineering.

It also applies to spiritual matters.

Those who are spiritually minded understand this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/25/14


Elder, I'll use the secular dictionary to humor your understanding of the word "ordain". This is what the dictionary defines "ordain" in context of the Holy Bible - "to decree, appoint, or predestine irrevocably". There you go. Embarrassing isn't it?

Doesn't this then confirm Scripture when Paul wrote to the Ephesians, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world". Isn't this the definition of "ordained"?

Your attempt to say Zacchaeus went to Christ by his own will falls flat when Christ explicitly said what He said in John 6:44,65. Conclusion is he was drawn by the Father first. Nice try.
---christan on 1/25/14


Again how do you become a disciple of Christ Jesus, If we are all called then how do you get to the next level? becoming a disciple, or is that another calling? How about just a follower of Jesus?
---BRYAN on 1/25/14


Elder, your first comment you lied. Then you change the comment to mean not permanently. Then you say that I said that the Holy Spirit can leave the New Testament believers, and I never said that. If you want to argue a point in the Bible at least tell the Truth otherwise don't even argue a point. You look foolish doing that.
The Holy Spirit indwelled many in the Old Testament. With some we are told it was only for a while, with others we are never told the Spirit left them. But many were indwelled and you said none until Pentecost. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the New T. is permanent now for all who believe. Get it right.
---Mark_V. on 1/25/14


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Elder 2: then you say,
>"Your problem is that I do believe in the Sovereign God of Justice, Righteousness and Love as taught in Scripture."
Here is the god you present,
A god that waits, for man to love him, hoping you will choose him. A god that does not know what decision you are going to make next. If you don't choose him, he has to change his plan again and again, like Hitler did during the war when he was losing. A god that deserves nothing but pity. A god that doesn't have full control, but is ruled by sinful men. That is one sorry god.
My God is Almighty, Ruler of all things.
"For of Him, and through Him, and to Him, are all things" (Rom. 11:36).
---Mark_V. on 1/25/14


"understand the meaning of "ordained"???
Which simply means that Zacchaeus was indeed "ordained" (an elect of God) when he went seeking for the Lord."

Not so.
The word "ordained" comes from "Tasso" meaning believing first, eternal life next.
Not specially chose/elected for Salvation.

Luke 19:1-9, read the account.
1. Zacchaeus sought Jesus, v2.
2. Zacchaeus showed repentance, v8.
3. Zacchaeus received Salvation, v9.
---Elder on 1/25/14


The meaning of being born a sinner simply means that if the child is not taught the ways of God then that child will be feral for the rest of his life. If the child grows not knowing the ten commandments, not knowing repentance, not know baptism then that child will be feral for the rest of his life. That child will stay feral until someone crosses his path to teach him about salvation, about Jesus, about repentance, about baptism.
---Steveng on 1/25/14


Adetunji, election and predestination is "ungodly salvation"?

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." Acts 13:48 - understand the meaning of "ordained"???

Which simply means that Zacchaeus was indeed "ordained" (an elect of God) when he went seeking for the Lord.

Confirmation: "No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him... Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father."

Guess who's got the "ungodly salvation"?
---christan on 1/24/14


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"God doesn't speak about babies who die at birth or just after birth."
christian

Like MarkV you want someone to think you know what the Scripture says when you don't.

Herod murdered all the children in Bethlehem 2 years old and under. Those are words that God had penned. Looks like to me He spoke about it.

So did some go to Hell or not?

Your problem is that I do believe in the Sovereign God of Justice, Righteousness and Love as taught in Scripture. Not your fake god of terror, force, and unjustice.

Spiritually speaking, Calvary is a level field for everyone.

Do people really go to Hell because they were born a sinner? ....PS: The answer is NO!
---Elder on 1/24/14


OneSpirit
1Co_12:4,1Co_12:8,1Co_12:9,2Co_4:13,2Co_12:18

1Co_6:17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
1Co_12:13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Eph_2:18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph_4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling,
Php_1:27Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel,
---TheSeg on 1/24/14


MarkV your posts have proven you lack knowledge about the Doctrine of Salvation. Now you prove you know nothing about the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

What I wrote I wrote. It is truth. If it is not then Joel was just filling space when he spoke.

Christ had not been crucified or even born yet. He had not resurrected or ascended in order to fulfill Joel's prediction/promise.

Your Jn 20:22 reference was a preliminary to Acts 2. They were not permanently filled.
If you'd study the Scripture you'd see that.

I realize that if you'd do that it would go against your beliefs and you'd haf'ta begin telling the truth.
---Elder on 1/24/14


Kathr, you bring not only the devil into the discussion of God but your hatred for the gospel when you twist it to your liking for the sole purpose of argument. You really need salvation. You cannot go to God without faith and expect to get everything after. You needed faith, to come to Christ. You never had it by your own confession. If you are going to argue a point, study to be approve and don't bring the devil with you to help you out.
---Mark_V. on 1/24/14


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Mark_V, Christan: I remember that the Lord had ministered to me directly before, when the need arose to answer one "Betty" on an old blog on this ChristiaNet that, "the typical example of someone being saved was that of Zacchaeus in Luke 19:1-10". Luke 19:3 Zacchaeus a politician, rich & working with the Romans, out of favour with Israel(sinner) SOUGHT Jesus to be saved. Please read & throw away your ungodly 'salvation' theory.
---Adetunji on 1/24/14


Adetunji, here is what you said,
"Mark_V://They have no choice in the matter, they are condemned already. Only a supernatural act of God can save them, it is not up to them to choose.// No premise for the above statement exists in the Bible." Oh but it does.
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned" (Rom. 5:12).
"He who believes in Him (Jesus Christ) is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:18).
---Mark_V. on 1/24/14


The Holy Spirit was taken from King Saul. David prayed, do not take the Holy Spirit from me. Obviously they knew it was not as it is today. Those born of the Spirit OF the life of Christ would never pray such a thing. The Spirit in them WAS NOT, the Spirit Of the risen life of Christ, the one Paul tells us in 1st Corinthians 15 is that LIFE giving Spirit WE receive Today, and the one promised in the OT that would come with Christ.

So get it right Markv. If the Spirit of the LIFE of Christ is not IN you! you are not Born Again. ......no matter how you wish you were. Satan has deceived you into believing in another spirit.

Again, please don't do away with the trinity in this matter.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/14


Elder, you sure got out of your false teachings real quick. You now say the Spirit did not indwelled them permanently when you never said that before. Here is what you said,
" "The Holy Spirit came upon believers. He did not indwell them. MarkV should know that He did not indwell believers until Acts 2."
You lied about me, and even said Kathern was right when she was wrong.
Now you say it was not permanently, and you did not show anywhere in Scripture where it said, not permanently, concerning the passages I gave you. I suppose the Holy Spirit jump out of John the Baptist, he never got to Pentecost. You make up stories and lie about me with no shame at all. You spoke against the Truth with no shame.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14


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Joh_20:22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Act_1:4And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Act2 is the promise of the Father fulfilled.
33(and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.)
39"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
Before Act2
Luk_1:15and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
---TheSeg on 1/23/14


"With all of your vast knowledge why didn't you answer about babies being in Hell?" Elder

Your fascination with babies in hell is your way of saying you do not believe in sovereign election as taught in the Bible, period.

God doesn't speak about babies who die at birth or just after birth. Why do you want discuss what's not spoken of in the Bible? Do you have a problem when Scripture says, "But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased."

Who are you to question or judge if babies do wind up in hell? Aren't we explicitly told, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God", doesn't it includes babies and children?
---christan on 1/23/14


"Don't you realize what it means to not tell the Truth?"
Mark_V

Well, this is something you can sure teach all of us.

Your concept of Salvation and the ministry of the Holy Spirit is wrong.

Under your belief NT believers can have the Holy Spirit leave them. That is what happened in the OT.

With all of your vast knowledge why didn't you answer about babies being in Hell?

---Elder on 1/23/14


"Also the apostles were indwelled by the Spirit before Pentecost, in (John 14:17) the Holy Spirit was already dwelling among them. And John 20:22)"
MarkV

Yea maybe among them but not in them!

Niether of the passages say any such thing as you state.

Jn 20:22 is an anointing before the fulfillmet of the promise from Joel 2:28-32. It was for a special work.

The Holy Spirit abiding in believers permanently would not occur until Acts 2.

Study the Scripture for what it says, not what you want it to say.
---Elder on 1/23/14


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How do you become a Disciple of Christ Jesus?
Jesus said:
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

And what did he last commanded?
A new commandment I give unto you, that ye love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

1Jn_2:7-10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
You all love each other? Right!
Peace
---TheSeg on 1/23/14


Elder 2: if you are a believer, you should know the things of the Spirit, Pharaoh knew and was not a believer. Pharaoh recognized the indwelling of the Spirit in Joseph (Gen. 41:38) When he said,
"Can we find such a one as this, a man "in" whom is the Spirit of God?"
And how about those craftsmen working on the tabernacle in (Exo. 31:3: 35:31). These special filling for service is the Spirit indwelling them.
Also the apostles were indwelled by the Spirit before Pentecost, in (John 14:17) the Holy Spirit was already dwelling among them. And John 20:22) Christ breath in the disciples the Spirit.
And there is much more.
Don't you realize what it means to not tell the Truth?
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14


Only a supernatural act of God can save them, it is not up to them to choose.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14

That supernatural act already happened, 2000 years ago on the Cross of Calvary. God made a way to forgive everyone of their sins. This was no small act. Jesus bore the weight of every person's sins, throughout all of time, on that cross.

Yet, this supernatural act does not reconcile the world to God. Everyone is not automatically saved by this act. No. Rather, a choice must be made by each person to receive and accept this gift. Once accepted and received, reconciliation is possible and forgiveness of sins is possible.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/23/14


Samuel, you need to forget the tulip, and believe in the facts. You refuse to believe so you reject the gospel Truth that all are heading to hell. You believe they are not, that they have right to choose, even if God said they are condemned already. What that tells me is that you are still at enmity against God. You want to mold God to the way you believe He should be molded. Otherwise He is not the God you want. But you would have to erase hundreds of Scriptures concerning God, reject them for what? For the free will of sinful man. But that's ok, I still love you, you can mold Him as you like. I have no saying in that. You keep also saying force His will on you, what you forget is He had mercy on you a sinner. You did not deserve mercy.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14


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Mark_V://They have no choice in the matter, they are condemned already. Only a supernatural act of God can save them, it is not up to them to choose.// No premise for the above statement exists in the Bible. Man chose to sin of their own volition(not forced) Gen.2:16-17, Gen.3:6. It is not strange therefore that God's grace to man to choose LIFE in Christ is also not forced. Read John 3:16 & Deut.18:19 "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him". Man has ability to choose good or evil.
---Adetunji on 1/23/14


Dear MarkV

The problem with your interpretation is you start with the premise of Tulip then develop a understanding of the Bible from it instead of going to the Bible and letting the HOLY SPIRIT lead to a conclusion.

As one commentator on the Presbyterian discussion has stated the nonsaved are just chaff and do not matter.

GOD loves all humans which you deny. Yes we are all lost and headed for hell because of sin. But GOD is love and gives all a chance to be saved.

A Parable: When the mothers brought their children to JESUS he told only one mother to come forward for hers was predestined for heaven. The others He told their children were only pots prepared for the oven.

That is not the JESUS of the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/23/14


"initiative" you say? Ya, right...
---christan on 1/22/14

What word would you use to describe God's intention in this verse?

Rom 5:8 "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us"

What other word could be used for "purposed" in this verse?

Eph 1:9 "having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself"

Perhaps you can see "initiative" in this verse?

Matt 26:39 "He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me, nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will."
---Mark_Eaton on 1/23/14


Elder, your speaking against the Word of God. You say,
"The Holy Spirit came upon believers. He did not indwell them. MarkV should know that He did not indwell believers until Acts 2. There are other things he should know also but he doesn't."
instead of looking for fault, you should speak the Truth.
It's written,
"The Holy Spirit was clearly in Joshua in (Num. 27:18).
The Holy Spirit was in David (Dan.4:8: 5:11: 6:3). The preposition "in" in all these passages is "beth" in Hebrews.
The New Testament reveals the Holy Spirit in the prophets gave them discernment and wisdom (1 Peter 1:11) and John the Baptist had the Holy Spirit within him way before Pentecost. There is much more.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14


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Solomon pleaded for all men, that they too learn and know the one true God,

2 Chronicles 6:32_33 "Moreover concerning the stranger, which is not of thy people Israel, but is come from a far country for thy great name's sake, and thy mighty hand, and thy stretched out arm, if they come and pray in this house, Then hear thou from the heavens, even from thy dwelling place, and do according to all that the stranger calleth to thee for, that all people of the earth may know thy name, and fear thee, as doth thy people Israel, and may know that this house which I have built is called by thy name."
---Nana on 1/23/14


Samuel, you gave again (2 Peter 3:9) and again I say that the promise is only for those who are born of God. They are not for the rest. Second, the passage is speaking about the "us" the beloveth. Not the world.
Third, no one has a choice whether he wants to go to hell or not, everyone is going to hell. That is why they need salvation. Someone to save them. They have no choice in the matter, they are condemned already. Only a supernatural act of God can save them, it is not up to them to choose.
Somehow in your mind you say God forces them, but what He does is, He has mercy on them.
Why do you thank Him afterwards? Because it was not up to you, but up to God.
---Mark_V. on 1/23/14


Goodmorning! Sis.Shira4368,Bro.Elder all respect to you both.It never made sense to me,the idea about God predestined some to get saved and others already lost!!??

I tried to understand but, it does not make any sense,God predestine BE saved and the rest "already made to be thrown into the fire "with out a chance for salvation??
---Lidia4796 on 1/23/14


If the unscriptural concept of MarkV and christian were correct then it would also affect babies.

If God has chosen some to be "saved" and others lost, according to them, then there would be babies in Hell.

So here is another gap in the Calvinist doctrine of error that they push.

Pay close attention to the spin that will be put on this. It will bring up another error. Just watch and see.
---Elder on 1/22/14


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Markv It seems to me your quick to let people go to hell or know how to get there. The word is in you in your heart, sow it, it will save many from hell if you sow it. You say you can't you only say Jesus can! Well if Jesus is in your heart. Who's words are you saying out your mouth? Cause out of the heart the mouth speaks. You say people can't they have the exact words that Jesus spoke. Those same words saved you and those same words will do the same thing today if their sown.
---BRYAN on 1/22/14


Wow some have a warped up view of how God called some and not others. I am thankful I'm not one of the "uncalled"
---shira4368 on 1/22/14


"The problem with saying that JESUS forces those He chooses to be saved is that is not what the verse says." Samuelbb7

Not only is your freewill doctrine erroneous, your very own heart accuses Christ of "forcing" the sinner to go to Him (a clear sign of a unconverted heart). Any Christian knows that it's the wonderful GRACE and MERCY of God that brings him to Christ. If not for this act by God, NO ONE will ever go to Christ.

You quote verses in vain to support your deluded freewill when those verses were of action specific and not of choice specific. Christ never breathed a word that it's your choice to go to Him or He would have contradicted Himself in John 6:44,65 and many other verses.
---christan on 1/22/14


"God takes the initiative, and I don't know anyone here who denies it."

"initiative"? Is God a man? And where does it even say in the Scripture that God does such a thing like, "takes the initiative"? Open your eyes and harken your heart to this declaration by God,

"Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass, I have purposed it, I will also do it." Isaiah 46:11 - the keyword is "PURPOSED"!

"initiative" you say? Ya, right...
---christan on 1/22/14


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\\Instead, they don't believe that choice should belong to God. That it should belong to them.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/14 \\

I don't know anyone here who thinks that, and what's more I'll bet that MarkV doesn't, either.

God takes the initiative, and I don't know anyone here who denies it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/22/14


Instead, they don't believe that choice should belong to God. That it should belong to them.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/14

Brother Mark_V,

I believe in everything that you described in the post I copied your quote from. Man is fallen and he has no rights. Man is condemned and only God can reconcile man to Himself. Man is God's enemy and cannot save himself.

But God has already decided to reconcile the world to Himself. He gave His only Son to forgive their sins.

But only when they accept His free gift and believe in His son, do they receive this reconciliation and forgiveness of sins.

I can forgive someone their sin against me but only if they repent do I reconcile them to myself.
---Mark_Eaton on 1/22/14


The problem with saying that JESUS forces those He chooses to be saved is that is not what the verse says.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Nor does it fit with John 3. Or
2Pe 3:9

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

So since the interpretation posted by Christian does not match all scripture on the topic. It is incorrect.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/22/14


//How Do you become a Disciple of Christ Jesus?//
Simply by believing Paul's gospel. (1 Cor 15:1-4)
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
1 Tim 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
---michael_e on 1/22/14


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"If everyone does not have a choice then why have the ten commandments?" steveng

"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin." Romans 3:19

"If everyone does not have a choice then why did Jesus shed his blood?"

"for he shall save his people from their sins." Matthew 1:21, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me, and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:37, 65
---christan on 1/22/14


Bryan, you say,
"Mark has God not called us all."
Yes, He called us all who believe by faith in Jesus Christ. The "us" are believers. He did not call the rest. God drew us to Himself when we were heading to hell condemned. He had mercy on "us". He did not have mercy on the others. All human beings born of Adam are under the curse of God. And only by the grace and mercy of God, is anyone saved. Those condemned have no rights whatsoever. They are heading to hell for their sentencing. They have to die for their sins. But when God draws you to Himself, and gives you to Christ, Jesus takes your place with His death. It is all the work of God. No one heading to hell deserves mercy for sinning against God.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/14


Steven, you say,
"If everyone does not have a choice then why have the ten commandments?" They were given to show man's sin.
Then say:
"If everyone does not have a choice then why did Jesus shed his blood?"
He shed His blood for His sheep. They were heading to hell with the rest of mankind, they were born under the curse.
Then say:
"If everyone does not have a choice then why have apostles, teachers and preachers go out into the world to preach the soon to come Kingdom of God?"
To save individuals, born of God, how they were saved and what God has done for them.
"..why would God pour out his spirit in the end days?" To prepare us for His ministry.
---Mark_V. on 1/22/14


If everyone does not have a choice then why have the ten commandments?

If everyone does not have a choice then why did Jesus shed his blood?

If everyone does not have a choice then why have apostles, teachers and preachers go out into the world to preach the soon to come Kingdom of God?

If everyone does not have a choice then why would God pour out his spirit in the end days?

God's desire is for everyone to be saved - and it is up to christians to get as many saved as possible before the end. The harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 1/21/14


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Matthew 28:19_20 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
1 John 2:6 "He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked."
1 Corithians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ."
---Nana on 1/21/14


Mark has God not called us all. He called me from darkness into into his light you to I think. God does not need you or me or any body else, he choose to give us his life. Choice, see if we are made like God, he said we have the right of choice to follow or not. If you follow Jesus there is blessing for doing so. But your following is not according to law, you do it by the Grace and mercy that was give to you when you heard the call.
---BRYAN on 1/21/14


\\ They want their rights.\\

I don't want my rights or what I deserve.

I want something much better: God's mercy and forgiveness.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/21/14


If I want to be a disciple or follower of Jesus, I need to find out what Jesus wants me to do.

Luke 9:23 "Then He said to them all, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me"

Pretty simple but not very easy. Deny yourself. Lose your connection with, lose sight of, drop, forget, yourself.

Can we do that? Can we live our lives in such a way that we "lose sight" of ourselves? Or are we so concerned with ourselves that we lose sight of Jesus and His desires for us?
---Mark_Eaton on 1/21/14


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Bro. Christan, no one is happy to hear that they don't have a free will. They want their rights. Even when the Bible teaches that fallen men has no rights. If they were saved by God they would know. They would be so humble to say, "thank you Jesus for saving me a sinner who did not deserve life, but only death."
Instead, they don't believe that choice should belong to God. That it should belong to them. One reason is that they don't believe fallen man is condemned already, under the curse, heading to hell. They believe they are free, out on bail by using their free will to do what they want, and if they want to jump bail, they forget they have been found guilty already, there is no bond available to them.
---Mark_V. on 1/21/14


Ye must be born-again. Not all followers are truly saved [chosen].
---catherine on 1/21/14


"Tell me How were you chosen?:)" Ruben

The very same way Paul told the Ephesians, "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved." Ephesians 2:4-6

and finally, "Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself" - nothing to do with freewill whatsoever!

Happy? Deal with it!
---christan on 1/21/14


Jesus has disciples. John had disciples. Jesus even made and baptized more disciples than John. (Jesus did not baptized, but his disciples). Jesus said, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed..." There are many disciples, even today.

Now concerning the word "chose" and "choose." A majority of christians have this wrong. Any can become a christian, even everyone in the whole world. But God chooses certain individuals and group of individuals depending upon their faith to accomplish certain tasks.
---Steveng on 1/20/14


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John 8:30_32 "As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed,
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
---Nana on 1/20/14


christan If you follow Jesus what will that make you? Jesus said to a bunch of people. If you do my father's will you are my disciple. If you know his will and your doing it welcome to the gang.
---BRYAN on 1/20/14


\\Tell me How were you chosen?:)
---Ruben on 1/20/14\\

I've asked christan and several others on here this same question and have never gotten an answer.

Hope you have better luck than I've had.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/14


"There is away to become a disciple of Christ Jesus" Bryan

Seriously?

Was it the choice of Peter, John, Matthew etc to become apostles of Christ? If it was really their choice, why did Christ say to them, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain" John 15:16-Christan,

Tell me How were you chosen?:)
---Ruben on 1/20/14


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Mark 16 v 16, Acts v 38, Mat.24 v 13.

The Man-made religions trinity in Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 does Not apply !, including the j - witness people, those that worship the gods buddha - hindu - mohammed - hare krishna, moonies etc.
---Lawrence on 1/20/14


"How Do you become a Disciple of Christ Jesus?" By choice, His choice. Jesus said to His disciples, "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you." Jhn 15:16. "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you." Jhn 20:21
---josef on 1/20/14


"There is away to become a disciple of Christ Jesus" Bryan

Seriously?

Was it the choice of Peter, John, Matthew etc to become apostles of Christ? If it was really their choice, why did Christ say to them, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain" John 15:16

Then again, did Israel choose to become the people of God?

"For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth." Deuteronomy 7:6

See how foolish your freewill doctrine is?
---christan on 1/20/14


There is away to become a disciple of Christ Jesus, John 8:31 If you hold to his teachings, Luke9,35, John 15:8 Here in is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit, so shall you be my disciples.-- If you bear fruit of Word that will make you a disciple. There is nothing hidden there is nothing in secret Jesus gave us his all.
---BRYAN on 1/19/14


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Why, do everything just like you do, BRYAN.

Isn't that the answer you want?

I don't think you're really asking for information, but intend to give a series of 125 word sermons.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/19/14


"Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father, neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." Matthew 11:26,27

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father." John 6:44,65

"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain" John 15:16
---christan on 1/19/14


It starts by him finding you. From there....there is no particular formula.
---aka on 1/19/14


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