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Who Can Baptise Others

Who is allowed to baptise other christians?

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You can argue about who has the authority to baptize with water.

Jesus was given the authority to baptize with fire and spirit. Submit to it and when you emerge...then you will understand that the above question addressed and other "shadows of things to come" will become shadows of things that were important then.
---aka on 2/19/14


Trey and Cluny, Any mature Christian or Servant of GOD can baptize. The Power of baptism comes from GOD Himself. It's not contained in some Pastor or Priest. It is so typical of some to believe that Pastors and Priests or as gods, who are placed on pedestals. The Pope is a prime example of this foolishness. If one is a spiritually mature Saint, Christian, Believer or Follower of GOD, they can baptize another.
---Gordon on 2/19/14


Christians are to go out and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Remember: all scripture is for our learning.

Besides, after the apostles died, who took over? Who ordained others to baptise? A strong believer is able to baptise. After teaching a person the gospel, after the person repents of their sins, then the one who teaches is able to baptise.

It's too bad that many christians believe only a select few can baptise. It's too bad that many christians don't go out into the world to teach and baptise for "the harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few" - and is even fewer in today's world.
---Steveng on 2/18/14


Cluny, I would go so far as to say that in the New Testament every example of baptism is performed by an Apostle, Deacon, or Ordained Elder, or Priest.

I do not find one example in scripture where anyone else has the authority to administer baptism.

If I am wrong please let me know.

If anyone believes that someone other than one of these I've mentioned has the authority to baptize I would have to contend that you are unlearned.
---trey on 2/17/14


Cluny: "Could it be that you are not getting the answer you wanted? IF so, then why ask the question?"

Making assumptions again? You're making a habit of that. What about a little truth.
---Steveng on 2/17/14




\\Cluny, John the Baptist was a Prophet, and he baptized.\\

But he did not administer CHRISTIAN baptism.

In any case, being the son of a priest, he was himself a priest, and as such had the authority to administer the Jewish rite of Mikveh.

Now, please show me from NT scriptures where anyone other than an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon administered CHRISTIAN baptism after Pentecost.

BCV, if you'd be so kind.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/17/14


Cluny, John the Baptist was a Prophet, and he baptized.
It's "religious men" who teach that one has to be a Pastor in order to baptize.
It's the TRADITIONS OF (RELIGIOUS) MEN that says a Pastor or Priest only can baptize another.
Otherwise, Cluny, show us where, in the Scriptures, that it HAS to be a Pastor or some-such that alone has the calling to baptize another.
---Gordon on 2/17/14


\\Why do today's christians make living a christian life so difficult and complex?
---Steveng on 2/15/14\\

This relates to your original question just how, Steveng?

Could it be that you are not getting the answer you wanted? IF so, then why ask the question?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/16/14


Why do today's christians make living a christian life so difficult and complex?
---Steveng on 2/15/14


Only God's divine/eternal Holy Spirit can baptize (when a Jesus worshiper worships the temple that hung on the cross, John 2:21 RSV).

If one TRULY WORSHIPS JESUS (divine spirit attitudes/lifestyle) then they will always have a clear conscience about whatever they do (Hebrews 9:14 RSV "eternal spirit...purify your conscience").

COMPLETE salvation is not simply eating of the bread of life (no, that is INCOMPLETE SALVATION like the Jews that accepted "MESSIAH" had). The DIVINE/ETERNAL Holy Spirit must be part of you ("His Spirit in the INNER man").

Revelation 7:16 "neither thirst". God will judge between "sheep and sheep" (ENTER BY THE DOOR,...do not climb in, John 10:27).
---faithforfaith on 2/15/14




\\ But I believe the Mikvah was a personal experience where the person washed themselves. \\

Actually, it was a triple ritual immersion, not "washing" as we think of it today.

And how can ONE person be "themselves," which is plural?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/14/14


My Jewish history is a little rusty. But I believe the Mikvah was a personal experience where the person washed themselves.

In Baptism a person baptizes the other one. Like John did. So that would have been notice pretty quickly as soon as they said in the Name of JESUS.

As for Cluny's suggestion of an impluvium. Maybe it is possible.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/14/14


//You went into the mikveh to BECOME ritually clean.//

True, however, a person was unclean before they became clean, consequently, if the unclean person touched a clean person, the clean person would become unclean. Many of the mikvahs had dividers between the entrance and the exits so they wouldn't touch.

//Try again// ??

Obviously I am missing something. Is this a contest of some kind, rather than a learning discussion?
---Rod4Him on 2/13/14


\\If a person touched an unclean person going into the mikvah,\\

Try again.

You went into the mikveh to BECOME ritually clean.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/14


//Doubtless there were so many people using the Temple's mikvauth the Christians were not noticed.//

If people (Jewish converts to Jesus) were "baptizing" in a non-traditional way, word would have spread immediately because it would have made for an unclean procedure. If a person touched an unclean person going into the mikvah, he would become unclean. However, it is a very interesting thought because it tends to lend credence to the thought that the new believers were only "spiritually" baptized, or they baptized themselves.

//Would they have had an impluvium of some kind?//

Very possibly because Philippi was a major Roman colony. Good thought.
---Rod4Him on 2/13/14


Acts 16:32-34 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed [their] stripes, and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.
--It looks to me like they weren't even in his house until after baptism.
---micha9344 on 2/13/14


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\\I am not sure the Temple authorities were allowing the Way baptisms anywhere they controlled.\\

Doubtless there were so many people using the Temple's mikvauth the Christians were not noticed.

\\ But history records that latter rivers were used since the churches could not immerse a person in most homes.\\

How were the Philippian jailer and his household (which would have included children and servants) baptized? Would they have had an impluvium of some kind?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/14


Dear Steveng

We can be sure of truth. But there are points where the Bible and history do not give exact answers. That is a fact that we Christians deal with.

It is a fact Historians deal with. The argument of who wrote Shakespeare's plays is an ongoing fight also.

I am not sure the Temple authorities were allowing the Way baptisms anywhere they controlled. But history records that latter rivers were used since the churches could not immerse a person in most homes.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/13/14


//Don't forget there were also the Apostles of the 70. They probably used the Mikavuth of the Temple.//

No doubt, and using the Pool of Shalom, and assuming a water baptism. However, how do they get 3000 Jewish people in and out using 82 people as you suggest?

In addition, if those 70 people were apostles as the apostles were apostles, why did they need to appoint one of them to become one of the twelve? There must have been a difference between them.

Furthermore, Acts says, "John baptized with water, but (in contrast) you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit..."

It is not exceeding clear they were baptized in water, and if they were, what baptism did they think they were doing, being used to using Mikvahs?
---Rod4Him on 2/13/14


God has always been a God of Grace.
---Rod4Him on 2/12/14


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1Cor 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free, and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The only valid baptism in this Age of Grace. And it's a baptism that human hands can't touch, it's a baptism that a lost person can have no part in. In water baptism, we can never be sure of a person's salvation
---michael_e on 2/12/14


\\Cluny, you asked: "Please show one place in the Bible, giving BCV, where someone not an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon administered Christian baptism."

And I simply gave you an answer, John the Baptist.\\

John the Baptist did not administer Christian baptism, but the rite of Mikveh. Try again.

And where do YOU think the 3000 were baptized, if not the Mikvauth of the Temple? Do YOU know?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/14


Cluny wrote: "They probably used the Mikavuth of the Temple."

You disappoint me, Cluny. "They Probably?" You're not sure? Christians are sure of the truth.
---Steveng on 2/11/14


Cluny wrote: "**Cluny, forget your BCVs, John the Baptist was not an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon. **

*I never said he was."


Cluny, you asked: "Please show one place in the Bible, giving BCV, where someone not an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon administered Christian baptism."

And I simply gave you an answer, John the Baptist.

As for that sentence fragment, "And how many before him?," refered to John the Baptist, the subject of the post. I'll make it simple for you: How many more were baptising people before John the Baptist? (Hint: Moses for starters.)
---Steveng on 2/11/14


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\\So those who welcomed his message were baptized, and that day about three thousand persons were added.

How did these people get baptized? Those 12 people were really busy.
---Rod4Him on 2/10/14\\

Don't forget there were also the Apostles of the 70. They probably used the Mikavuth of the Temple.

**Cluny, forget your BCVs, John the Baptist was not an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon. **

*I never said he was.

**And how many before him?**
---Steveng on 2/10/14**

I have no idea what you mean by this sentence fragment. Do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/14


No one preaching the baptism gospel understood the preaching of the cross. Wherever the baptism gospel is presented in scripture it is always presented for remission (forgiveness) of sins.
Paul taught the cross(1 Cor 1:17) of Christ for forgiveness of sins. Water baptism had been replaced by something greater!
The gospel of a kingdom and remission of sins was tied to water baptism. Until Paul.
No wonder there is confusion about water baptism when people fail to recognize the special revelation given to Paul from the Lord.
It was first known by Paul that water baptism was not required and was separate from the true forgiveness of sins which is through Christs blood (Eph 1:7).
---michael_e on 2/11/14


So those who welcomed his message were baptized, and that day about three thousand persons were added.

How did these people get baptized? Those 12 people were really busy.
---Rod4Him on 2/10/14


Cluny, forget your BCVs, John the Baptist was not an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon. And how many before him?
---Steveng on 2/10/14


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Cluny, please refer to the verse I gave. That is my criteria! What is your criteria?
---trey on 2/10/14


\\Does not have to be a Pastor, as we normally think.\\

Please show one place in the Bible, giving BCV, where someone not an Apostle, Bishop, Presbyter, or Deacon administered Christian baptism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/14


\\He must first be called of God.
---trey on 2/10/14\\

And what are your criteria for determining this?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/14


Christians who are mature in the LORD can baptize other Christians.
Does not have to be a Pastor, as we normally think.
Just as long as we are baptized IN THE LORD, and IN His Name (YAHUSHUA/JESUS CHRIST), and of God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and God the Son.
---Gordon on 2/10/14


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Who can baptize:
First of all a man must have authority from God!
Mt21:25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven, he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?

In other words, a man cannot just up and choose to start baptizing others without authority. He must first be called of God.
---trey on 2/10/14


Paul was first to explain Israel has fallen from their special status with God. Through this fall salvation is no longer the covenantal possession of Israel but is being sent to Gentiles. It isn't until Paul that we read about salvation apart from the law and the covenants based on faith alone in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Those saved today don't replace or become Israel or remain heathen Gentiles, instead they become part of the boC, the church today.
Instead of becoming part of or replacing Israel, Paul announces a new creature, the boC.(Eph 2:15)
Out of Jews and Gentiles, Christ made a NEW man and agency for salvation.
Paul teaches one baptism and it isn't water.
---michael_e on 2/9/14


Michel e, the Holy Spirit spiritually baptizes all believers. When God draws a sinner to Himself, He makes him spiritually alive, at that moment the Spirit spiritually baptizes you into Christ, He then spiritually indwells the believer, and spiritually seals him with the Spirit for assurance. All spiritual acts of God. Once the person acknowledges his faith in Christ, he is commanded to be water baptize. That's a physical act by the believer under the New Covenant.
Scripture says,
"But God who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ" It means that at the moment God made us alive, He spiritually united us to Christ.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/14


//Thanks for being respectful// there are a few here for whom I have high regard. I give some of my limit for you.

//I understood michael e to say that believers are not related to Israel AND believers are not to follow Jesus' or John the Baptist's teachings.//

I don't think that is what he is saying at all. Again I will say that Michael is trying to say that there is a continuance of full revelation that is not completed if one stays in ceremony of types and shadows of judaism. That is what paul was telling us too.

I understand...we are all subject to the 50 word limit
---aka on 2/9/14


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//with all due respect, this is only half of his sentence//

Thanks for being respectful.

I understood michael e to say that believers are not related to Israel AND believers are not to follow Jesus' or John the Baptist's teachings.

Paul says we are grafted in and we are to follow Paul as Paul follows Christ.

I think michael e suggests that believers of today have absolutely no relationship to Israel and we are not to follow Jesus' teachings.

BTW, there was no intention to change his meaning, we have a word limit.
---Rod4Him on 2/9/14


//If you don't understand Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, then you conclude we are somehow related to Israel...//We are..perhaps you don't understand the mystery... Rod4Him

with all due respect, this is only half of his sentence, therefore it taken out of context and changes the meaning of what Michael e wrote. There was a very important 'and' that was left out.

Michael is trying to say that there is a continuance in full revelation that is not completed if one stays in ceremony of types and shadows of judaism.
---aka on 2/9/14


//...it's easy to presume the wild branches must be the church today.//

You may be presuming that people presume the wild branches to be the church. The context is "But by their [Israel] transgression salvation has come to the Gentiles." This doesn't say, church.

Matt 21:43. "to a people," gentiles...verse 45..."When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking about them [chief priests and Pharisees]."

For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mysteryso that you will not be wise in your own estimation...until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in,

BTW, Matthew was probably written after Paul.


---Rod4Him on 2/8/14


Since the doctrine of the mystery was given to Paul, it's easy to presume the wild branches must be the church today.
Rom 9-11 doesn't explain the mystery revelation, the boC. Paul explains how God took the kingdom promises from stumbling Israel, and gave them to a nation that could bear fruit.
God is faithful keeping his promises to Israel (Rom 9:6, Rom 11:29).
The wild graft is found in the Lords earthly ministry to Israel Matt 21:43.
The fruit bearing nation is the wild olive branches. Identifing the fruit bearing nation in Matt 21, identifies the branches grafted into the tree to bear fruit It's clear the wild graft can't be the mystery church, since the Lord had not yet revealed the mystery to Paul.
---michael_e on 2/8/14


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//If you don't understand Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, then you conclude we are somehow related to Israel...//

We are..perhaps you don't understand the mystery...

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree,
do not be arrogant toward the branches, but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.
---Rod4Him on 2/8/14


//Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more//

If you are suggesting this shows one should not follow Jesus after the flesh, then we shouldn't follow Paul either. Paul said to follow him as he followed Jesus. That is another way of saying to follow Jesus..." Paul says he was following Jesus...why should we not?
---Rod4Him on 2/8/14


Thank you lord for immersing me in fire and your Spirit just as john the baptist said you would.
---aka on 2/8/14


If you don't understand Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, then you conclude we are somehow related to Israel and are to follow the preaching and teaching of John the Baptist and Jesus WHILE HE WALKED THE EARTH
Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
1 Cor 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified...
1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
---michael_e on 2/8/14


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\\But anyway... how'd ya ever get smart enough to tell what part of Scripture was/is inspired or not?\\

That isn't what I said, though.

\\PS: Correct English is "me" not "I" in your statement, "YOU must play by it, not I."\\

Wrong again.

"YOU must play by it, not I [must play by it].

I used the proper pronoun, as can be seen.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/14


\\Didn't Jesus set the example of how we should be baptised?
---Steveng on 2/7\\

Jesus set the example THAT we should be baptized, but He did not give the HOW until Matthew 28.

BTW, did you know that the Jewish rite of Mikveh (forerunner of Christian baptism--the same thing John the Baptist was doing) calls for TRIPLE immersion in the nude?

Curiously enough, this is how baptism is STILL administered in the Eastern pre-Reformation Churches.

What does that tell you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/14


Didn't Jesus set the example of how we should be baptised?
---Steveng on 2/7/14


""BCV please..."
---Elder on 2/2/14\\
I don't have to, because Sola Scriptura is NOT an Orthodox principle. It's YOUR rule, therefore YOU must play by it, not I."
Cluny

Humm.... you always ask but never comply. Hey, if ya don't know ya don't know. I understand.

But anyway... how'd ya ever get smart enough to tell what part of Scripture was/is inspired or not?

PS: Correct English is "me" not "I" in your statement, "YOU must play by it, not I."

Did I mis-spell any words?
---Elder on 2/7/14


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Whoever teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that is in accordance with godliness, [4]is conceited, understanding nothing, and has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words.

For you have been called for this purpose, since Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example for you to follow in His steps,
---Rod4Him on 2/7/14


//Are you suggesting that we are not to follow Jesus' teachings?//

walked the earth
---michael_e on 2/7/14


//...to follow the preaching and teaching of John the Baptist and Jesus while he walked the earth.//

Are you suggesting that we are not to follow Jesus' teachings?
---Rod4Him on 2/7/14


\\2. What is more essential to eternal salvation being born again/regenerated or being baptized?\\

Regeneration usually takes place in the Mystery of Water Baptism administered in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

This is not mere human work, because it is GOD Who acts in it.

If you baptized yourself, it would be a work. But you don't baptize yourself, do you? You merely receive it at the hands of another.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/14


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People are divided regarding water baptism. Unfortunately, most are ignorant of the mystery revelation given to Paul, and are oblivious to the cause of their confusion.
If you don't understand Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, then you conclude we are somehow related to Israel and are to follow the preaching and teaching of John the Baptist and Jesus while he walked the earth.
Most don't realize, water baptism didn't start with John or Jesus. The people of Israel knew what John was doing. (Jn 1:25)
Since Paul makes it clear there is only one baptism(Eph 4:5) why the confusion over baptisms?
If Paul says there is only one then it must be the one baptism Paul teaches. Found in 1 Cor 12:13 and Rom 6:3.
---michael_e on 2/7/14


Cluny,

I have a couple questions for you:
1. Is being born again essential to eternal salvation?

2. What is more essential to eternal salvation being born again/regenerated or being baptized?

Just asking due to an earlier conversation I had with a Catholic friend. I would like to see if you two agree.
---trey on 2/6/14


Cluny wrote: The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession"

Elder wrote: BCV please...

Since the New Testament was written by the Apostles, and it was written while they were alive (obviously), it cannot possibly have described what their successors did after they were dead - so BCV could never exist for this issue, one way or other.
---StrongAxe on 2/5/14


\\Does the Orthodox church allow a believer to baptise a person who is about to die, if there is no priest available? \\

Yes, but I've already said that.

Usually "psaltis" (dyak in Slavonic) is cantor in English.

A truism in Orthodoxy: Lots of services you can do without a priest (Vespers and the other hours of the Divine Office), but try to do anything without a cantor and see how far you get.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/14


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Cluny: The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession

Does the Orthodox church allow a believer to baptise a person who is about to die, if there is no priest available?

Just asking?

Also, if a priest is not available, in case of illness, can a psaltist (I'm trying to translate from Greek, the person who chants the material in the service) or one of the assistants carry out the baptism?
---Peter on 2/4/14


It was passed on to whosoever. Whosoever will hear it and do it. Not just the folks in your religion.
---BRYAN on 2/4/14


\\""The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession""
Cluny

"BCV please..."
---Elder on 2/2/14\\

I don't have to, because Sola Scriptura is NOT an Orthodox principle. It's YOUR rule, therefore YOU must play by it, not I.

The books of the Bible were chosen because they agree with what the Orthodox Church actually did, and not vice versa.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/4/14


""The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession""
Cluny

"BCV please..."
---Elder on 2/2/14
cluny don't ignore Elder's question
---Unknown on 2/4/14


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Can any of you explain these two verses with regards to the spread of the gospel:

Col1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven, whereof I Paul am made a minister,

and

Rom10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
---trey on 2/3/14


Cluny, In order to become a disciple one must 1st be a convert! A two fold mission really!
---1st_cliff on 2/3/14


\\.interesting, so it is the "Bishops and Priests" responsibility to preach and teach, and make disciples, not the laity. Good...that relieves them of that responsibility.\\

As James said, "Let not many of you be teachers."

For myself, I find it challenge enough simply to BE a disciple. The Lord has not given me the charismata needed to try to disciple (if that is a verb) others.

I really doubt many people have them.

Of course, you are right in one thing--Jesus said to make disciples, not make converts. People think these are the same.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/14


cluny your so full of yourself and your religion what good are you? You think just the leaders of your church or you church is the true or the first church? Jesus is the author and the finisher of your faith not some man made religion.
---BRYAN on 2/2/14


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cluny what is there that make you think your religion is greater than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He gave it to all what part of all do you not understand?
---BRYAN on 2/2/14


"The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession"
Cluny

BCV please...
---Elder on 2/2/14


//No. The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession//

...interesting, so it is the "Bishops and Priests" responsibility to preach and teach, and make disciples, not the laity. Good...that relieves them of that responsibility.
---Rod4Him on 2/2/14


The Holy Spirit is the only baptizer
Ephes 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
I Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,..."
The Holy Spirit doesn't baptize with water? So, this isn't water baptism, yet many Christian groups won't accept a person for membership without water baptism. You don't believe every member in your congregation is really a believer do you? Every congregation has unbelievers who have been baptized under some form of water baptism. Totally unsaved, water baptized and members, but not members of the BoC. There are no unbelievers in the BoC because that's the work of the Holy Spirit, not man, to immediately place or baptize them into the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 2/1/14


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\\Matthew 28,19 If was what the apostles were given to do do you think this has passed away? \\

No. The Apostles' ministry was passed on to Bishops and Priests of the Apostolic succession--something that post-reformation denominations, like yours, lack, BRYAN.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/2/14


Matthew 28,19 If was what the apostles were given to do do you think this has passed away? Mark 16:15-18 When did Jesus stop being Jesus? The word is the same yesterday today and for ever what would change about the word if the apostles sowed it. Were would it have changed? Only when we quite believing in it. That is what they were told to do are we told something different? Preach the Gospel and baptist. What is your qualification to baptist people, what are your qualification to sow the Gospel? We are disciple from another nation passing in on.
---BRYAN on 2/1/14


In Matthew 28:19 Christ is speaking to his Apostles, see verse 16.
In Johh 8:44 Christ says "Ye are of your father the devil,"
In both cases Christ is speaking for our benefit, but he was not speaking to us directly.
A text out of context creates a pretext.
---trey on 2/1/14


\\According to the word if your a follower of Jesus that Gives the right to baptize any, who desire to be baptized\\

Please give BCV where Christian baptism was administered by all, anybody, and sundry, BRYAN.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/1/14


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According to the word if your a follower of Jesus that Gives the right to baptize any, who desire to be baptized. Jesus told use to go forth and do this. Matthew 28:19 What is a disciple, you are being disciple by somebody if not by Jesus then by who?
---BRYAN on 2/1/14


One is not baptized into a vague generic "christianity" but also as part of a local congregation.

In the Orthodox Church, baptism is normally administered by a presbyter by three-fold immersion and emersion.

But common sense also shows that there are emergencies and unusual circumstances where the norm cannot be followed.

In danger of death of the baptizand, any baptized Orthodox Christian may baptize by thrice pouring (NOT sprinkling) on the head, saying the standard baptismal formula, "The Servant of God NAME is baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen."

One will never find historical proof of baptism being done by any and sundry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/31/14


What a silly question. Isn't one who's already called a Christian, already been baptised? Or why else would he call himself a Christian if he wasn't baptised?

And anyone who's a disciple of Christ has been given the power by the Lord to baptise a sinner who's come to repentance and faith in the Lord.

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Matthew 28:18,19
---christan on 1/31/14


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