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Does God have mercy on evil people at their death?

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Samuel, a dead spirit is how we are born. It is called "born in sin". We are naturally sinners until we are born of the Spirit of God.
---shira4368 on 4/16/14


Oops. Sorry Luke I missed the word Spirit. My Fault. Could you please tell me where the word soul is translated as Spirit.

Where does the Bible say we are born with a dead spirit?


Mar 12:30 See vs 33 & Luke 10:27

And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Body, soul and Spirit means the whole person and is being redundant. It is used only once. The verses above mean the same thing and were used by JESUS. Paul just used different terms.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/14


Dear Samuel,
you say I am right in my answer. I gave you the definition of soul. It meant a lot of things, even spirit. You said it didn't.
Depending on the context of the passage soul can mean spirit. But the makeup of man is
"body, soul and spirit"
Those born physically are born with a dead spirit. They are dead to God. They need to be born of the Spirit. That happens when God draws you to Himself and makes you alive together with Christ. The definition of "spirit" "Pneuma" means the immaterial, invisible part of man, the resurrection body, the inward man, and many more. It communicates with God.
The ungodly do not have a relationship with God. They are spiritually dead.
---Luke on 4/16/14


Yes Luke that is exactly what soul means here and in all places. It is even used to refer to animals.

So I am just asking you to believe what you just wrote. Please pray about this and ask GOD to lead you. Follow the Bible, follow JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/14


Dear Samuel,
//Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.//

The passage is not describing the makeup of man, the word "Soul" here means "Nephesh" a noun. It means a living creature (man or animal). breath, respiration, life, soul, spirit, mind, a living creature, person, self. It means a living creature, or for a better word, a human being. This comes from the Lexical Aids.
The same holds true for:
Eze 18:4 ... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.//
The person or human being that sin it shall die. And we all die a physical death, because we all sin. Much more to give, Agape
---Luke on 4/15/14




Samuelbb7 comments *
*"Well Elder you did a good job and got it mostly right."

Yea that happens to me a lot.

*"Tell me where the Bible says Hell is the place of departed Spirits?"

Get someone to help you with word meanings.

*"But all Spirits return to GOD."

And what happens to those who have rejected Him? Do they just go on into Heaven? Hint: NO!

PS: The last book in the Bible is not named Revelations either. It is Revelation. It reveals just one thing, Jesus as All Mighty God!!
---Elder on 4/14/14


Dear Luke. Most of Revelations is future the wicked are resurrected before being thrown into the lake of fire.
We are a single being.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

Soul is not translated as Spirit in the Old or New Testament see Strongs.
Eze 18:4 ... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Mat 10:28 ... but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
The Bible says the righteous are asleep. Icor. 15:18

I ask only that you believe what the bible says. Please read and pray about this. Look up Conditionalism.
May GOD bless and keep you and your loved ones.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/14


Dear Samuel,
The word hell is a word Christians use without having to give a definition for hades, sheol, or the lake of fire.
Rev. mentions the lake of fire but nowhere does it say, it doesn't already exist.
All human being have a physical body, soul and a spirit. The word soul is many times mention as spirit depending on the context of the passage. The spirit of man is dead at physical birth. The spirit of man is the one part of man that connects with God. All the lost are disconnected from God. Believers in Christ or born of the Spirit. Their spirit is and always will be connected to Christ. It does not die, go to sleep, or ever again separate from Christ. The spirit of the lost will remain dead and disconnected from God. Agape
---Luke on 4/12/14


Luke

The Lake of fire does not exist yet. Revelation 19,20,21 Where are the spirits of the wicked?
JESUS said did not say soul but Spirit as Stephen did. Spirit and soul, two different words and two different things. We have to have a spirit or breath to be alive. We are dead in our sins spiritually but we are alive so we have a spirit which all return to GOD at death. Ecclesiastes 12:7 I agree their Spirits went to GOD. But where does the Bible call the Spirit a living person?

1Ki 17:21,22 NASB
...O LORD my God, I pray You, let this childs life return to him.
The LORD heard the voice of Elijah, and the life of the child returned to him and he revived.
The word soul is also translated as life. See Strongs
---Samuelbb7 on 4/11/14


Dear Samuel,
what we as Christians call hell is the lake of fire.
According to Scripture the soul leaves the body at death. The Gospels tell us that at the moment of Jesus death, Jesus prayed,
"Father, into your hands I commit My spirit" then He yielded up His spirit" Luke 23:46: Matthew 27:50. Jesus had a human soul, spirit and body. The first Christian martyr after Jesus was Stephen. He cried out, "receive my spirit"
In addition the Bible describes the soul leaving the body and then coming back when Elijah raise the widows son from the dead. The passage says, "And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah, and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived" 1 Kings 17:21,22.
---Luke on 4/10/14




God has mercy on evil people at all times. He will ultimately save all of them. (1Tim.4:10)
---Love.wins on 4/9/14


Well Elder you did a good job and got it mostly right.

Tell me where the Bible says Hell is the place of departed Spirits?


Ecc 12:7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Spirit is associated with the Breath of life but is more. But all Spirits return to GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/8/14


"And the sea gave up the dead... death and hell delivered up the dead...
But not one of the places of the dead is heaven?"
Samuelbb7

This is not one person being in three places. There are three places where the dead are found, many are buried at sea, Death is the grave and Hell the place of departed spirits.

The dead here is refering to the bodies of the Lost. That's why heaven is not spoke of.

There are two Judgments.
One is the Great White Throne for the Lost.

The next is the Beama Judgment for the Saved. This is a rewards judgment not punishment for sin(s).

At the Beama many Christians will suffer loss but only of rewards not any part of their salvation.
---Elder on 4/4/14


In the Theology of churches there two places of the one Judgment. The Great White throne of those not in the Book of life. The Bema seat of those who are Christians.

This is a common but not well taught doctrine which I do not have room to post here. You will have to research it.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/3/14


Samuel: //There is only one judgment// Rev.20:4 talks of one judgement. Rev.20:11-13 talks about the White throne judgement differently.

//Explain how the dead can be in three places. Rev 20:13//
I do not have an answer for this right now.
---Adetunji on 3/30/14


Dear Samuel, all humans are born with a body soul and a spirit. But their spirit is dead to God because of Adam. When God makes a person spiritually alive He does that together with Christ. His spirit is always alive to God.
The ungodly' spirit remains dead and remains dead unless God makes him alive. When a Christian dies physically, his spirit remains with Christ. And when Jesus comes in the Second Coming He will come with His saints, those spirits who had already died of the Christians. At the Second Coming the Christians spirit will join his new glorified body in the resurrection, a body prepared for all eternity.
Once the Spirit comes to life, it never dies again. What I do not hear you mentioning is the spirit of the Christian.
---Luke on 3/29/14


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Dear Samuel, God said,
"... for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" Gen. 2:16,17.
Man did die that day, he died spiritually to God. He was separated from God because of Adam.
Ephesians 2:1 says that Christians were all once "dead in trespasses and sins" The point of deadness is that we were incapable of any spiritual life with God. We had a physical life, but our hearts were like a stone toward God, Ephesians 4:18: Ez. 36:26.
Ephesians 2:3 goes on to say that in our deadness we were "children of wrath" That is, we were under God's wrath because of the corruption of our hearts that made us as good as dead before God.
---Luke on 3/27/14


Heb 9:27 br>
Dear Adetunji
You may know this but the problem is the Bible does not teach it. You are saying there are two judgments. There is only one judgment. They die the second death in the lake of fire. You are correct there is no end of their punishment no freedom for their soul. They're dead, destroyed for all eternity.
So before I explain Luke 16:22-23 Rich Man and Lazarus.
Explain how the dead can be in three places. Rev 20:13
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works

But not one of the places of the dead is heaven?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/14


Micha9344, Samuel: // Also as micha9344 points for which I give thanks those in hell are taken out thence cast into the lake of fire.// This "taken-out" from hell into the lake of fire means that there's no cessation of punishment or freedom for any soul condemned to hell.
---Adetunji on 3/27/14


micha9344: //Rev.20:13 ..death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: .... And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.// This passage is not talking about freedom or end of punishment to anyone condemned into Hell.

Samuel: This is what I know. (1) At death, the righteous and the wicked are not kept in the same place Luke 16: 22-23(before White Throne Judgement). (2) The punishment of the wicked starts immediately after physical death Heb.9:27. (3) At the final judgement, the wicked soul goes from a level of punishment to a higher level of punishment. There is no end of agony for the soul that left this earth without Christ.
---Adetunji on 3/27/14


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Lydia, I have tried to read through all of these responses to make sure, but I did not see it.

Read Romans 9:15-24.

This may help.
---aka on 3/26/14


Dear Luke

Actually no. Our sins have been paid for. So our physical death is not the wages of sin death since we are saved by the Blood of Christ.

As noted in Revelation the wicked die the Second death and the righteous do not. So the wages of sin has to be the second death.

Also as micha9344 points for which I give thanks those in hell are taken out then cast into the lake of fire.


Rev 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

How are the wicked in the sea and not hell?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/14


Samuel you are preaching same as Mohammed who told his followers that they shall 1st go into hell before being judged. Adetunji

I believe you have that backward. Most Christian churches teach that the Judgment is future and people go to hell when they die. Is that not what you believe?


As a Seventh day Adventist we believe the dead are asleep till the Resurrections. We also teach that they face Judgment before being cast into hell. It is called the Great White Throne Judgment. A term used by all Christians, and most churches that I know of teach it is a future event. Does your church teach differently?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/14


"The Bible does not teach that anyone that enters Hell will ever come out."-Adetunji on 3/25/14
Rev 20:13-14 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
If something is the same and just named differently, it usually can't be thrown into itself. Therefore, it would seem that hell and the lake of fire are two separate places/things.
It also seems to read that the "dead" that were in hell were removed beforehand.
Judging a corpse seems odd, but, according to other scripture, they have also been resurrected. (John 5:29)
---micha9344 on 3/25/14


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Samuel: Rev.21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving....and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Mark 9:45 - 48. For emphasis part of verses 45 & 46: ".. it is better to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched".

Samuel you are preaching same as Mohammed who told his followers that they shall 1st go into hell before being judged. The Bible does not teach that anyone that enters Hell will ever come out.
---Adetunji on 3/25/14


Dear Samuel, you wrote,
//The Sanction for sin is death. Romans 6:23
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/14//

Samuel, again you gave a passage that speaks of the physical body dying because of sin. That is the physical body that dies because of Adam's sin. You are mixing together the physical body and the spirit and coming out with a different interpretation. Agape brother
---Luke on 3/25/14


Well Luke you do nicely also.

Jude 1:7
Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with eternal fire they are not still burning.

GOD is omnipresent. To escape his presence you have to not exist.

Noun punishment wikitionary

1.The act or process of punishing, imposing and/or applying a sanction.
2.A penalty to punish wrongdoing, especially for crime.

The Sanction for sin is death. Romans 6:23
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/14


Samuel: Matt.25:41 Then shall He say unto them on the left hand, Depart from me,ye cursedl, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into life eternal.

There is no end to punishment in Hell, I pray you & I will not end up there.
---Adetunji on 3/21/14


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Dear Samuel, murder in the case of God is not death. It is punishment. The punishment can be severe depending on what he did. And since God is just, the ungodly will get what is coming to him and no more. It does not mean he pays for it and comes out. He stay there forever.
If he was to die, he would be separated from God forever. That would bring a breath of relief to the wicked, since they were separated from God in life. The ungodly want nothing more then to be separated from God. There problem will be the presence of God that will torment them.
Samuel, we might agree on this points, which is ok also. You debate very well.
---Luke on 3/21/14


Dear Luke and Adetunji
Mat 10:28
... able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
The passage says GOD is able to destroy them. Do you not teach that GOD cannot destroy the wicked?
If the punishment is eternal torture then there are no degrees of punishment all get the same. But if the time in the lake of fire varies then all die. There is degrees of punishment and it does last forever. The Death Penalty is a punishment for murder. It does not mean killing them over and over.
The Bible says.
Rev 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8
... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/14


Dear Samuel, you gave two passages that do not mention what happens to the wicked in hell.
First, you gave,Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Here the death of sin is physical in this life. Then you gave,


"Mat 10:28"
And this passage does not teach God is killing the soul and the body is hell, only that He has the power to kill the soul and the body. So we should fear Him, we who are alive now. Has nothing to do with the wicked in hell and how they should fear God, it is too late for them.
---Luke on 3/19/14


Luke: //which means there will be varying degrees of punishment in hell,....
Everyone in hell will be justly punished. They will not receive mo re then they deulserve, for God is just.//

Yes, there would be varied degree of punishment but it is going to be eternal.
Samuel's statement that I criticized was stating there will be an end to the punishment in Hell.
---Adetunji on 3/19/14


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Thank you Luke for that passage.

Dear Adetunji

The Bible as pointed out by luke speaks of different degrees of punishment inflicted. But the Bible also says.

Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Mat 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

The wicked will die or be destroyed in Hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14


//Luke 12:46-48//

The passages given comes from a parable. It is called, "parable of the Faithful Steward"
In the parable he first speaks of the faithful servant and how he will be rewarded, then he speaks of the one who says, 'My master is delaying his coming and begins to beat the male and female servants, the master will come looking for him, some will be beaten with many strips the others with few strips, which means there will be varying degrees of punishment in hell, and is clearly taught also in Matthew 10:15: 11:22-24: Mark 6:11: and Heb. 10:29).
Everyone in hell will be justly punished. They will not receive more then they deserve, for God is just.
---Luke on 3/11/14


Samuelbb7://But I also believe in that GOD has Mercy and does not torture People in hell for all eternity. That those who reject JESUS will cease to exist have they have received the exact amount of punishment..//

What reference have you for your word construction above? That statement is contrary to what the Bible says, be careful of what you preach!
---Adetunji on 3/9/14


What if God had fixed you and others turned you backwards by food poisoning?
---Tonne_Miessek on 3/2/14


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God has mercy on evil people all the time, since everyone is evil when He saves them. Only evil people are saved. There is no one good without Christ. They are all evil.
---Luke on 2/24/14


One way I believe that GOD has Mercy on those who are evil. Is that up until they die they still have a chance.

But I also believe in that GOD has Mercy and does not torture People in hell for all eternity. That those who reject JESUS will cease to exist have they have received the exact amount of punishment they deserve.


Luke 12:46-48

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/19/14


Lidia, peace and grace to you in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I was very moved by all of your answers. I will only be reading the answers everyone gives from now on, it seems to me I have offended many already, I sure do not want to bring division in the body of Christ. Thank you for your kind responses. James tells us,
"My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience"
So I pray for you that God's grace will continue to abound in your life, till the day He comes to bring us home to be with Him. The Lord richly bless you always.
---Bob_M on 2/18/14


Lidia, you sound like a wonderful person who shows her love for everyone. The fruits of the Spirit of God shows every time with your answers. God richly bless you and feel you with His joy no matter what may come your way. To God be the glory.
---Bob_M on 2/17/14


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To both Bro.Bob_M. & Sis.Kath4453
With the utmost respect to both pf you. Thankyou both for slendid comments! Wow! Bro.Bob_M

Like where you said " the real truth can never be surpressed,burned,or chained."

And to Sis.Kath4453
you said " How many on death row find forgiveness and peace".


Sis.Kath4453 really do like alot of your blogg comments,scriptures you make it very interesting. God bless you both.

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 2/14/14


lidia, the real truth can never be suppressed, burned, or chained. God always makes it possible for the Truth to survive no matter the reason. God has mercy on many, not all of those people who have been condemned and are under the curse of the law. And He never has mercy on all. If the condemned deserved mercy then God would not be saving them by His Grace.
---Bob_M on 2/13/14


Lydia, I seem to remember the thief who died next to Jesus on his moment of death found mercy and salvation.

I wonder how many on death row also find forgiveness and peace.
---kathr4453 on 2/12/14


"The Problem with MarkV is he denies that JESUS seeks all men."
Samuelbb7

You are correct. When someone rejects fundamental truths about Jesus they reject Jesus Himself. That brings more confusion and lies to their minds.

They begin to accept lies as truth. Once the lies are embedded they begin to reject all truth and talk in circles. They use satanic influence to determine what the Scripture teaches and not Scripture itself.

Their determinations are also full of falsehoods. They refuse to repent and continue to believe Satans lies! The Truth remains far from them.

Because MarkV is like this he will not be allowed to post here any longer. Pray for him.
---Elder on 2/12/14


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Dear Elder

The Problem with MarkV is he denies that JESUS seeks all men. That all are drawn to GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/11/14


MarkV, typical for you to mis-quote Scripture. II Tim 2 is written to workmen, those already saved. This is not to the lost as you think. Typical of you again.

You say here, "The lost will always reject the Lord because they do not seek Him."

You give this as a cause for being lost yet you also say they can't seek Christ, that Christ must seek them. So which is it?

You are so confused. Are you in that snare of II Tim?

So how come your sister's will was in bondage to sin.
What was the determining factor? Do you think God didn't love her?
---Elder on 2/10/14


MarkV you know nothing of Biblical doctrines or how ChristiaNet works. Do you think C/N staff doesn't read these blogs?

You serve and push a god of non-love. That is Satantanic.
You are confused as how people get saved.

It is you who posted things about your wife, mother, sister. You have indicated that God hated your sister.

Your statements are always confused. When you have no answers you claim someone slandered you, gossiped about you, lied about you and anything that pops in your depraved mind.

You don't like my relationship with ChristiaNet.
I don't like your relationship with Calvinistic doctrine and other Satantanic views.
---Elder on 2/10/14


Elder, you are now threating me for giving the Truth. Are you controlling the website? Are your calling them every time someone disagrees with you because they know you? Are you saying I have to submit to your false doctrines or else? That man while lost, under the curse, heading to hell, condemned already can of himself remove himself by saying a few words?
I have been as kind as anyone can be to most of you who slander others. You even try to insult me when you mentioned my wife. I didn't see them remove you. I know from Scripture what Paul went through. People stoned him, put him in prison, he suffered for the gospel, so go ahead and stone me. I will be faithful to the Truth of the gospel no matter what threads you use.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/14


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bro elder, I thank God for you and the truth you preach. yes, there is much false doctrines on christianet. very confusing for a new Christian. again, I am thankful that I had parents to teach what the gospel is and not doctrines that is false. I will forever be thankful for you and sis jareldeen. I know what you and her stand for and I am blessed to have you in my life.
---shira4368 on 2/9/14


MarkV no one has slandered you. You just don't know the truth.

You and christian have caused 13 blogs to be deleated because of your false doctrine and spreading discord. The Moderator has said you will be deleated if you continue to post your false views.

Here are the blogs,
Is God Just
Why Going To Hell
How To Witness To Muslims
Why Satan's Rebellion
Did God Make Robots
Does God Have a Plan
Anointing Of Sarcasm
Predestination Or Free Will
Extra Biblical Books
Deceived Christians Get Saved
Can We Sin Daily
OK To Become A Christian
Spirit-Filled London Churches
---Elder on 2/9/14


Elder, I mentioned on the testimony blog it was not good for those in Christ to give their testimonies because people like you like to use testimonies they give to slander you.
You say what my mom did and what my sister did was proof of free will. Wrong again. God tells us about the lost, "There is none who understands, there is none who seek after God" My sister was lost, she was going to reject the Truth. My mom said yes, because only those born of God have faith. Only believers in Christ respond to the words of Christ, His sheep. But you just don't understand. Maybe you were appointed for that (1 Peter 2:8) tells us
"They stumble, being disobedient to the
Word, to which they also were appointed"
.
---Mark_V. on 2/9/14


Elder 2: the gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes (Eph. 1:16). Believes already. They confess Christ because they already have faith. The lost will always reject the Lord because they do not seek Him. My testimony nowhere teaches free will. In fact my sisters will was in bondage to sin, my mom's will was a slave to God.
You need to leave that theology you teach behind, and trust in God who is able to save many from going to hell. They are already heading there, they cannot escape from the snare of the devil.
"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the Truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" (2 Tim. 2:25,26).
---Mark_V. on 2/9/14


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"I believe most problems people have when answering comes from the false theory of free will."
MarkV

Following is a great example of freewill. One accepted one, rejected by freewill choice. Thanks MarkV.

"I know my mom heard the gospel for twenty days before she died. She acknowledge that she believed and asked for forgiveness, to later say she was looking forward to seeing the Lord. Five days later she passed away. I was living in California and knew a pastor in Harlingen Texas, and I called him to go to visit my mom and preach the gospel of Christ to her. But my sister died rejecting the Lord because she was a Jehovah Witness and everything that had to do with Jesus she rejected."
Mark_V. on 2/5/14
---Elder on 2/8/14


Samuel, your other question,
"John Calvin taught that the Ten Commandments are in force. You say those who teach that are lost. So is Calvin lost?"
First of all, I am not God and don't know who is saved or not. I can judge by their answers but it is not fact. How can I condemn Calvin for teaching the Ten Commandments? The Bible teaches the Ten Commandments. Do I condemn the Bible? Of course not. I said if you are under the written law, you are lost period. If you have faith in Christ, you are no longer condemned. All who are lost are under the law of God. They broke one, the have broken them all. They are all heading to hell, unless God has mercy on them. When God does have mercy, Jesus takes the curse upon Himself.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/14


Samuel, why did you joined the SDA's? They believe in free will and no hell. What you believe is that people who are lost, are really not lost unless the say yes or no. But it is so simple. The lost are already condemned for breaking the written laws of God. They are under the curse. We are told, "by the deeds of the law can no one be justified." No man can by his own works be justified. The law does not save anyone, it's for the ungodly to show them their sin. They are heading to hell unless God has mercy on them. That is the only way out of the path to hell. And there is a hell and all who broke the law without Christ will suffer punishment in hell. All who read the Bible should already know if the Spirit of God is in them.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/14


I also believe a person can be saved on their death bed.


But MarkV your answers do not match. A person is only saved if GOD already decided they should be saved. So can he change his mind and decide to save a person at the last minute?

Angels left GOD to become demons. As pointed out in Jude 1:5

I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
---Sam;uelbb7 on 2/7/14


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Sis. Lidia, I believe most problems people have when answering comes from the false theory of free will. They build all sorts of theories and ideas from that concept. Ruben made a statement that shows that, when I told him that Jesus said, "He will never leave you nor forsake You" and he answered with, "but you can leave him if you want". In other words in the persons own power he can leave Jesus who will never leave you. How can a person leave someone who will never leave you? We are talking about Jesus. So many other ideas arise from that concept. As if God has no power over man. That's why I say that God can save anyone, any place, anywhere. Nothing can stop Him from saving someone, not even the person being saved.
---Mark_V. on 2/7/14


Thankyou Bro.Mark,all respect to you & Sis.Mary I believe yes! God bless We See Our love ones when we go to Be with our Lord,I pray see my son who died as a baby and hope to see my real mother & twin sister..
An aunt raised me as her own
Like "aethiest" onCNT, argue you down..but never accept Jesus or theBible.

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 2/5/14


Sis. Lidia, thank you for making that clear. Yes, God can save anyone, any place, any time. He is doing that right this second some where. I know my mom heard the gospel for twenty days before she died. She acknowledge that she believed and asked for forgiveness, to later say she was looking forward to seeing the Lord. Five days later she passed away. I was living in California and knew a pastor in Harlingen Texas, and I called him to go to visit my mom and preach the gospel of Christ to her. But my sister died rejecting the Lord because she was a Jehovah Witness and everything that had to do with Jesus she rejected.
---Mark_V. on 2/5/14


My late brother suffered a fatal heart attack, they brought him back briefly a few times. My husband's best friend said if I ever prayed for Mark (and I did, especially after his wife died) then God surely ministered to Mark in his death. I believe I will see him again, just as many will see their loved ones again, what joy that will be! :)
---Mary on 2/4/14


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The thief on the cross was like deathbed repentance & was under the law, the law was until Jesus rose & went up from the mount. Then the dispensation grace began with salvation, Acts 2 v 38 to the Jewish peoples First on the day of Pentecost. And it Was Apostle Peter that delivered Acts 2 v 38 to them. Then 'g p s', God's plan salvation came to us gentiles a lil later.
Today deathbed repentance Is All Deceiving Lies from here 2nd.Cor.11 v 14, in the which the trinity Rev.17 v's 4 - 6 started. Be sure to read, AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
---Lawrence on 2/4/14


Hello,Bro.Mark, all respect to you actually,the wording had been changed... ( that was my exact meaning before they die..does God give them mercy? )

even if it is in the last few minutes.. Can the mercies of our Father God change their precarious situation, One of mercy a & grace' meant exactly that, thanks. Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 2/4/14


Sis. Lidia, nowhere in the Bible are we told that anyone who dies without Christ can be saved. Once he is dead, there is no second chances. All through history God has saved many evil people. Since all who are lost are evil and heading to hell, condemned already for breaking the Laws of God. God has to have mercy on them before they die.
---Mark_V. on 2/4/14


Hello, thanks! Everyone,watching,reading & learning. God bless you all
Love of Jesus! Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 2/4/14


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Well I am a local elder in the Seventh day Adventist church. And a previous Pastor was a Minister in the Presbyterian church before switching and becoming a Seventh day Adventist.

So since being an elder makes you saved then I should be saved.

You see I thought a person had to be Born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT to be saved.

GOD will have mercy on Evil People. They will die and cease to exist after suffering the exact amount of punishment they deserve in the Lake of Fire.


Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/4/14


How do you know if you are one of the elect??
---Ruben on 2/3/14


Being on the right team helps a lot, I'm an Elder in the Presbyterian Church (PCUSA)!!!
---Blogger9211 on 2/3/14


Ps11:6 Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.

Now concerning his people:

Ps103:10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins, nor rewarded us according to our iniquities.
---trey on 2/3/14


Family,Let say thankyou to CNT alot included,the Moderator' excellant.
found in my bible : 2 Sam.12:7-9 1Sam.16:7 the whole situation with KingDavid.. God forgave him.
David went on to write: Ps.51
1Jn.1:9 if we confess our sins he is faithfull and just to forgive and cleanse us of all unrightousness.
---Lidia4796 on 2/3/14


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If YHWH did not pick you to be a member of the Elect billions of years ago before He started the process of Creation you are just chaff for the bond fire.
---Blogger9211 on 2/3/14

How do you know if you are one of the elect??
---Ruben on 2/3/14


Jesus showed the theif (one of them) on the cross Mercy when he said to him,"Today you shall be with me in Paradise." Only ONE thief got to go to Paradise with Jesus because he cried out for mercy. The other one didn't. Does that help?
---dana6596 on 2/3/14


God has no more mercy on evil people at death than in life. They must repent of their sins and accept Jesus as Savior on their death bed in order to obtain the same mercy God has prepared for all who come to Jesus.
---Darlene_1 on 2/3/14


God has shown mercy on us all from the time we were conceived until our death. It is a wonder that God has not cut life shorter for some of us.
But, at death, there is finality, judgment, and justice.
Whom do you have on your side when you stand before God?
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
---micha9344 on 2/3/14


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If YHWH did not pick you to be a member of the Elect billions of years ago before He started the process of Creation you are just chaff for the bond fire.
---Blogger9211 on 2/3/14


God gives man many many opportunities to be saved. His mercy is unlimited but God does have a point where He won't deal with sinners. we never know know where that line is but I know some who were saved on their death bed but that comes from relatives. only the dying person knows if they were saved or not. we know we can have assurance of our salvation...even tho some don't believe that. I know without a doubt I am a born again person. I don't have to wait til judgement to know, I know now and I knew then.
---shira4368 on 2/3/14


yes he does but only if you go before him in repentance he will forgive you even at your death.
His word says his mercies are new each morning and he is always ready to hear us our when ewe approach him.
---sally3833 on 2/3/14


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