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Why Did God Create People

Why did God create human beings in first place when he knew ahead of time that most of them would end up burning in hell, billions of them, because of their unbelief?

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All have fallen short of the glory of God. All deserve death. Not one deserves salvation. God is the giver of our faith, and not everyone has faith in Jesus Christ. Only those who are born of the Spirit have faith. We are saved by God's grace "through faith".
A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved. Even the beginning of faith, the disposition to seek salvation, is itself a work of grace and the gift of God. Paul says, we are saved "through" faith, that is, as the instrumental cause, but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith, that is, as the meritorious cause. Agape
---Luke on 6/9/14


Elohim provided a beginning that starts and ends with him.
So that who so ever believes...
Why?
Because Elohim - Who Exist Timeless - sees -
All have fallen short...
---char on 6/8/14


//I am saying the GOD who predestinates some to be lost and some to be saved is not a fair image of GOD. That it portrays Him as a hateful, and unfair//

Dear Samuel,
Again, you are saying that if God does not save the rest who sin against God, who murder children and others, who speak blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, He is hateful, and that it is not fair for Him to save some, that He has to save all of them. Why does He have to save all? You are suggesting they deserve salvation also. We didn't deserve it, why do they? You reject the will of God, and His word, because you are using your own standard of righteousness. Salvation with man is impossible, Jesus said so, yet you say it is not, man can choose Christ if he wants. Agape
---Luke on 6/7/14


Luke, the passage says the way to heaven is narrow and few there be that goes that road. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction. That can have many applications. One meaning is more is going to hell than to heaven. I could guess when one goes down a wide road, it would probably be crowded so would take longer. The narrow way is direct. Just my thinking on this part. Luke, we can get little nuggets from all scripture.
---shira4358 on 6/6/14


Why would you ask such a hateful question? When did I say God hated anyone? You are suggesting that those who sin against God, murder others, deserve salvation?
Luke
Haz and others have many times told me GOD choose to hate all those he does not save,that they commit sins because GOD foreordained them to do so. No I do not believe anyone deserves Salvation Romans 3.
I am saying the GOD who predestinates some to be lost and some to be saved is not a fair image of GOD. That it portrays Him as a hateful, and unfair. The doctrine of an eternal burning hell set up to torture women, children and men for less than a hundred years of sin portrays GOD as a hateful unforgiving and unmerciful dictator.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/14




Most here know that the Calvin doctrine to be in error. Calvin was recanting it himself when he died.

---Elder on 2/9/14

I don't remember seeing this when you posted it some time ago Elder. Please tell me where I can read that Calvin was recanting this when he died. Where is this recorded?

My life was 'blighted' by a Calvinist for decades so this subject interests me greatly.
---Rita_H on 6/4/14


Luke, "And THIS IS the comdemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that practices Truth comes to the Light that his deeds may be made manifest that they are wrought in God." John 3:19-21.

"For everyone who asks receives and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened unto to him." Matt 7:8.
---barb on 6/4/14


//Jesus said the gate was straight and the way narrow and that FEW WOULD FIND IT. Matt 7:13-14. He is saying that only a few will put in the effort to search for the gate and enter into the narrow Way. The majority will allow themselves to be deceived and will enter into the wide way.//

barb, you said the rest of them will allow themselves to be deceived, how can they when they are already deceived? They are not going to be deceived, but are already. Jesus said they were condemned already.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, "but he who does not believe is condemned already", because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18.
---Luke on 6/3/14


Jesus said the gate was straight and the way narrow and that FEW WOULD FIND IT. Matt 7:13-14. He is saying that only a few will put in the effort to search for the gate and enter into the narrow Way. The majority will allow themselves to be deceived and will enter into the wide way.

"Ask and it shall be given unto you, SEEK AND YOU SHALL FIND, knock and it shall be opened unto you." Matt 7:7.

There will be a great multitude who go thru the tribulation and are saved (Rev 7:9-17) but there will also be those, as many as the sands of the sea, who will be devoured by fire. Rev 20:7-10.
---barb on 6/2/14


//trey, considering the billions of people who have ever been born, a multitude is not that many. the road to heaven is straight and narrow and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction. paraphrase...matthew 7:14//

Dear Shira,
Did you ever stop to think of that passage in a different way? Before I understood that passage meant there were few going in. But after reading the passage again, it does not mean that. It only means the road is straight and narrow, but not the amount going in. It could be straight and narrow, where many cannot go in at once, that is all it means. It could mean that, what do you think? Agape
---Luke on 6/1/14




"Why Did God Create People"
To tend His Earth, and to take dominion over the things of the earth.
---Josef on 5/24/14


May I add,we were made to serve God
From old to new testament we made to serve God.Lev.Chapters 18,19,how to serve,what displeasesGod.Ex.15:26
Ps.17:8 Ps.24. Ps.23 Ps.26:9-12
Ep.4:21-24
It has been wonderfull reading this morning..how much God loves us,the whole bible about serving Him.
bless His holy name.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/23/14


trey, considering the billions of people who have ever been born, a multitude is not that many. the road to heaven is straight and narrow and wide is the gate that leadeth to destruction. paraphrase...matthew 7:14
---shira4368 on 5/23/14


It seems a lot of people believe that only a few will be saved eternally, yet I read this in the scriptures:

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands,

That sounds like a huge multitude! Revelation als says this:
Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation,

Again, this sounds like a huge number of sinners saved by the grace of God!!!
---trey on 5/22/14


Rom 6:12

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

We are Mortal. There is Spiritual death and physical death. I speak of physical death. You try to confuse the two.

There is no immortal soul for only GOD is immortal.


1Ti 6:16

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

So by changing terms you are not making the issue clear but trying to confuse the plain scripture to not mean what it says. Adam did die physically as all humans do.

We will be all resurrected. Look up the word resurrection in the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/14


/Please explain this if they are already alive burning in hell.\-Samuelbb7 on 5/21/14
Luke 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Cor 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
Once one has a correct definition of "dead" in its proper contexts, then one may see the correct interpretation of verses regarding the "dead."
Rom 6:11-13 "dead" but "alive"
---micha9344 on 5/21/14


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At White Throne Judgment, who are the souls who receive eternal life in heaven, who are cast into the Lake of Fire if... The "wicked" are eternally alive in the Lake of Fire while being punished. Lost souls exist eternally. Leon

Dear Leon the wicked are resurrected from the dead. Just as the Righteous are resurrected. Type Resurrection into any good Bible search engine please read the Bible verses on the Resurrection. For the Great White throne judgment.


Rev 20:13

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Please explain this if they are already alive burning in hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/14


2. eternal life is gift God gives undeserving sinners

Luke 5/16/14
Spiritually dead people are walking around today. They will also be physically dead.

There is no place that GOD does not exist. To leave his presence you have to cease to exist.
Psalms 139:8 The wicked do not receive eternal life, so they do not get eternal life in hell.
Yes passages must be interpreted correctly. All passages on that topic must agree. Such as the Soul and Spirit are not the same thing. So I answer and show how all your passages agree with Conditionalism. You add a word not in the passage to get your meaning.


Your point two is absolutely correct and I am just asking you to agree with your own point.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/14


Hello,Bro.Luke all respect,thankfully
grateful for your encouragement.The Lord has blessed me,through CNT.
It's exciting way to study the word & at the same time,meet wonderful folk worldwide.

Please brothers & sisters keep me in your prayers,to memorize study the word,understand the word and let that word,saturate me on the inside!

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/21/14


Dear Elena,
I did not correct you, what you said was very true. I said you were correct. I have read many of your answers and hardly find anything wrong in what you say, that tells me you are studying God's word a lot, Thank you Elena.

What you might have got wrong is that in that answer to you, I also answered Samuel. He was the one I was correcting.
---Luke on 5/20/14


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Bro.Luke Thankyou for your correction/ spiritual death not physical..I just keep praying this person.a wakes from.their slumber.Turn.back to.God.
Right now"they" do not care, not listening to.me.How many criminals who truly are guilty,did not believe they would get caught?'too,many.
Yes,I do.want to.be corrected,nothing wrong,there. Thankyou,bro.Luke all respect appreciated,God bless you.in jesus name.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/19/14


Dear Elena,
You are correct, God created us for His own glory.

//Rom 6:23 for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.//

Dear Samuel,
the passage you gave you interpret it wrong. The wages of sin is death, but it is spiritual death. Separation from God. Not physical death.
(6:23) describes two inexorable absolutes:
1. spiritual death is the paycheck for every man's slavery to sin.
2. eternal life is free gift God gives undeserving sinners who believe in His Son. When you interpret the passage correctly you get the truth. Agape
---Luke on 5/16/14


Hello,Lovewins..all respect

a child in sunday school ask teacher why did God make people? Before,she could reply another boy
( the class trouble maker) stood up and said "so,they can tell on.you!"

Actually,God made man Gen.1:26,
I think He made man in his image .
God shows his love
how he cares
for us,saves,heals,
delivers us,our faith.

to bring & glory,honor that we might worship Him,but of coarse,you know bout Adam & his wife...it went awraye..not as planned.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/11/14


Dear Leon

I do trust and Love GOD now. I gave my life to JESUS 40 years ago. Turning from being an agnostic to My LORD and Savior JESUS the Christ.

The doctrine of Conditionalism is firmly established by what the Bible says. You speak of an eternal soul or immortal soul. The Bible never says that and in fact says we are Moral. We do not need an immortal soul to be resurrected from the dead.

Mat 22:31,32

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

I believe in the Resurrection.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/18/14


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Sam: Some say when we die, our bodies go into the ground & our souls (mind, will & emotions) die also. I don't believe that. Were that true, who would go to heaven & who would go to hell? At the White Throne Judgment, who are the souls who receive eternal life in heaven & who are cast into the Lake of Fire if "no one exists"? The "wicked" are eternally alive (conscious) in the Lake of Fire while being punished. Lost (wayward) souls exist eternally.

Consider: We can believe, trust & obey God now according to His will & purpose for our lives or, we can live life our way, be damned, be eternally punished & ultimately be brought to submission before God anyway.
---Leon on 2/18/14


Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Mat 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death, but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Death is not just bodily, nor can it be considered bodily at all in some contexts.
---micha9344 on 2/18/14


The Bible says punishment is eternal punishment (torment, vengeance). Leon

Where does the Bible say that Eternal Torment is the punishment or wages that which is earned in the Bible.

Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Mat 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

So please show me where the Wicked are given eternal life in torment?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/18/14


The word "PUNISHMENT means IN RETALIATION (revenge). We are to LET GOD have the right to avenge US ("Vengeance is mine"), He does not "PUNISH" ("for fear has to do with PUNISHMENT").

God will REWARD those who seek Him with all their heart ("draw near"). We are to trust Him as a REWARDER (not a punisher, Hebrews 11:6).

God will also reward the evildoers with their 'just deserves' (which they will FEEL as "punishment").

The body of Christ also needs to learn the true meaning of the word GRACE (God "gives" graciously, not imperialistically), and the word FAITH. Jesus said to the woman "Your faith has saved you" (your LIFESTYLE BELIEFS and ATTITUDES).
---faithforfaith on 2/15/14


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You should not profane the name of God by misrepresenting His character, who He is - merciful, patient, loving.

Don't overlook the fact that God is also a Holy God and a God of justice and judgement who will not clear the guilty of their sins, but will punish the sinners who don't repent.

I have no pleasre in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God, so turn from you sins and live.
---Steveng on 2/14/14


Sam: Your problem is you're trying very hard to prove you're right regardless of what the Bible says. For that reason alone you don't get it (miss the point).

The Bible says punishment is eternal punishment (torment, vengeance).

On judgment day saints & sinners alike will be clothed in physical bodies, i.e., Saints will have new incorruptible bodies & the aints (unregenerated) will be in their old corrupt earthen bodies. The saints will enter into God's heaven. The souls of the aints will be cast into the Lake of Fire as they once again exit their old worm-riddled bodies. That's the second death!
---Leon on 2/14/14


Dear Leon here is the definition of Punishment.

punishment (plural punishments)
1.The act or process of punishing, imposing and/or applying a sanction.
2.A penalty to punish wrongdoing, especially for crime.
3.A suffering by pain or loss imposed as retribution
4.(figuratively) Any treatment or experience so harsh it feels like being punished, rough handling

You says the punishment is eternal torment. Like saying His punishment was 20 years in prison.

But the Bible says the punishment is death. Called the second death.
Rev 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So no there is nothing wrong with my point. Ignoring it does not prove I am wrong.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/14/14


The Lord preserves all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy.

The Lord loves them that love him, and those that seek him early shall find him.
---Steveng on 2/13/14


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"...The verse you referenced is above says punishment. To fit your view it would have to say punishing."
---Samuelbb7 on 2/12/14


HUH, REALLY, RIDICULOUS?!!! :) "Punishment" is the act of "punishing" The two words are synonyms!
---Leon on 2/12/14


Sam: Man's soul is the breath (psuche) of God. He breathed life into the physical body of Adam. (G2:7) Before that it was empty & lifeless. God's breathe was the vital force that animated/activated (gave life to) Adam's body. When it received breath, he was enabled to breathe air & live (perform functions).

When the body is destroyed (worn out), e.g., old age, disease or other external causes like accidents, murder, war, etc., the breathe (soul) immediately departs. All that's left is an empty, dead body.

The soul (psuche, breath) is "spirit" & gives animation to our physical bodies. Our souls are that part (likeness) of God He has put inside us. Like God, our souls never cease to exist.
---Leon on 2/12/14


It seems to me odd that for such an important thing as salvation, God would leave it to the vagaries of a chance..
---Love.wins on 2/12/14


It's not possible to "punish" nonexistent souls. Leon
Mat 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Dear Leon I am not speaking of spiritual death but physical death. The soul is a combination.
Gen 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

The punishment for sin is death.
Rom 6:23

For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The verse you referenced is above says punishment. To fit your view it would have to say punishing.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/12/14


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"GOD gives all a chance to be saved. So in order for those who wanted to be saved he had to let everyone live.

The only thing I disagree is that I believe people die the second death in the Lake of Fire. Then cease to exist..."
---Samuelbb7 on 2/12/14


Sam: First, Adam & Eve died spiritually in the garden, but they didn't cease to exist. Since then spirit regenerated & spirit dead humans have been dying physically, but their souls still exist either in heaven or hell.

Scripture doesn't say souls cast into the Lake of Fire cease to exist. Jesus said they'll be eternally punished. (Matt. 25:46) It's not possible to "punish" nonexistent souls.
---Leon on 2/12/14


GOD gives all a chance to be saved. So in order for those who wanted to be saved he had to let everyone live.

The only thing I disagree is that I believe people die the second death in the Lake of Fire. Then cease to exist. But that is still a really bad thing.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/12/14


Why do you think someone would have to be a robot order for God to get that person to love him, who didn't love him before? Is God that incapable of getting someone to change his attitude?
---Love.wins on 2/11/14


Lovewins,

On MarkV and Christan's Calvinist worldview God can't want all men to be saved because if he wanted it, all men WOULD be saved. That all men aren't saved means God obviously doesn't want it, at least according to MarkV and Christan's "logic".

Naturally Scripture disagrees with their "reasoning", but MarkV and Christan never really care about what that says.
---marc on 2/11/14


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"If God wants all people to be saved, why doesn't he get what he wants? I would think that if God wanted something, he would be sure to get it."
---Love.wins on 2/11/14


L.w.: Salvation is a refining process. (Pv. 17:3, Zech. 13:9, 1 Pt. 1:7, Is. 48:10, etc.). Why "think" you God doesn't get what He wants? 1.) God's will is to show grace & mercy to all souls who repent of sin. Such suffer for a little while & come forth as pure gold. 2.) But, unrepentant souls "choose" to suffer forever (however long that is) in the Lake of Fire.

Perhaps, after eons, wayward souls eventually are purged by tormenting fire of sin & also purified as gold. Whaddya "think"? :)
---Leon on 2/11/14


As I wrote before, true love, true genuine love, is not forcing someone to love you in return - that's slavery. Man is free to make choices to accept the love and give it in return or reject that love. God did not create a race of robots to bow down to him whenever he demands it, he created man of his own free will to love God. Those who made the choice to love God are the ones that will populate heaven.
---Steveng on 2/11/14


If God wants all people to be saved, why doesn't he get what he wants?
I would think that if God wanted something, he would be sure to get it.
---Love.wins on 2/11/14


Hello,Let' dip into it( certainly ' not perfect) but going to say God created Men & women because He wanted to have a relationship with us, and He made man ' in His image Gen.1:26,27.

Re: To be independent of God IS FATAL!!
Satan will deceive people.
2Pet.2:19bFor by whom a person is over come,by him also he brought in bondage.

Mt.24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and show great wonders,so as to deceivd,if possible,even the elect.


Acts4:12 Salvation is found in no one else,for there no other named under heaven given to men by which we must be saved. Jn.6:37-39.
---Lidia4796 on 2/11/14


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God desires all of mankind to come to him, isn't that true love? They were given a choice - to accept this love and give it in return or reject it. True love is not forcing someone to love you in return.

Besides, what is the purpose of going out into the world to preach the gospel to all that will listen if we are already predesitned to heaven or hell. What was the purpose of Jesus coming to Earth to save the sinners if man was already predestined.

It's all about unconditional love - genuine love. After a person decides to be converted, then God draws that person to him by his love.

God is also a just God. He will judge the unbelievers according to their works - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death.
---Steveng on 2/10/14


It is my belief that God created man for God's own glory!

Mt5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Cluny, I have to say, I do like your answer you gave on 2/6/14, but don't let it go to your head.
---trey on 2/10/14


Sis shira, almost everything these two post reaks of cults, satanic influence, mis-use of scripture, and mis-information.

When called and proven wrong they like to whine that someone has slandered them or worse.

I often wonder why they are not on a Calvinistic site with their "beliefs."

There are many here who has shared the truth with them. Kathr has done a good job refuting them and giving truth.

They continue to reject. We just need to wait and see where it all ends.
---Elder on 2/10/14


bro elder, you will never convince anyone about the truth. the answers directed to you are so stupidly written, it reeks of satan. there are two types of people. born again, not born again. anything that is not of God is of satan.
---shira4368 on 2/10/14


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"don't even worry about what Elder says"
MarkV

Yes, don't worry about what I say. Worry about what MarkV and christian say.

One day he is saying one thing the next it has changed.

He claimed he is not a Calvinist, now he is.

He claims you can't know if you are saved, that God hates most people.

His god operates contrary to Scripture, is not just, fair, or righteous and is so small he can't give people a choice.

God shows His love to all. Mark doesn't believe that.

An elitist cultist that denies Scripture, uses partial verses to enforce false doctrine, causes blogs to be shut down with ungodly doctrines and now wants you to trust him.
---Elder on 2/10/14


christian, and your god has to force people to be saved just to be a god.

Where is his justice if he is not the same and fair to all alike?

This sounds a lot like segregation to me. You know because of the color of your skin you are not good enough to be part of something.

You say God doesn't love all. What is His determining to love someone based on?
---Elder on 2/10/14


Some people are just abusive, and use the Bible in an abusive way. Others are kind, and use the Bible in a kindly way. There are some of each here. Which are you?
---Love.wins on 2/9/14


Elder, contrary to both you and Love.wins, the God of the Bible indeed is love. But unlike your freewill god, my God only love His elect which He explicitly tells us were chosen by Him before the foundations of the world (it's Scriptural) and in His sovereign election He tells us it's an unconditional election (as taught by Paul in Romans 9:11)

Such is your god that his love cannot even save the sinner from their sins and all because the sinner has the ability to overpower your god even though you claim he loves everyone. What a sad and beggarly god you have.

For in that day in hell, you have to tell your fellow freewillers, that your god wanted to save them but didn't have the power to because of their freewill to thwart him.
---christan on 2/9/14


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Christan & MarkV,

You do realise both of you are completely insane, don't you?!
---Marc on 2/10/14


Rita, you do not anger me one bit, so don't even worry about what Elder says. I want to say that the Scripture writers always mention many times what God wants from us, but what He wants and what He ordained and wills to do are two different things. You see, He wants no one to sin, but everyone sins. He wants for everyone to love everybody but that is not happening. So what He wants and what people do are two different things. But what He ordained before the foundation of the world is going to happen, whether anyone likes it or not. It is done. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He knows the beginning and the end of all things. After all it is His plan that is coming to pass.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/14


Bryan, the parable you are gave is not speaking about making choices. Jesus explained the parable to the disciples, it is the parable of the Wheat and the tares, the answer is in (Matt. 13:37-43).
" He answered and said to them,
He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sows them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age...."
Jesus plants the sons of the kingdom on earth. The enemy plants the tares, and at the end of the age, the angels will burn the tares.
---Mark_V. on 2/10/14


Jesus told a parable about a farmer who planted good seed. A enemy came and plant bad seed the workers saw the bad seed and said to the farmer should we pull up the bad seed. The farmer said no, wait until the harvest time, then we will pull up the bad seed first and cast it away. God gave us the most powerful thing he ever made his word it made all things life, death, good, evil, satan. It will produce how you use it. Life or death, good or evil. The Covenant is, it is give to you to choose. What you sow is what you reap. The word will not care what your religion is Cause it will only produce how you sow it. Jesus said life.
---BRYAN on 2/9/14


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Again and again the Arminians use verses like 1 Timothy 2:3-6 to paint the God of the Bible as a whimsical and desperate god. That He wants to save "everyone" and yet there's a "broad gate" waiting for these reprobates. Sure kind of makes the god these Arminians worship a weak and useless god. Wanting to save "everyone" and yet being almighty, cannot even do so.

What they fail to understand in Timothy and anywhere in the Bible that mentions "who wants ALL people to be saved", the "ALL" would indeed be saved but the "ALL" pertains to only His elect. And that being said, 100% of the elect WILL indeed be saved, not their any Tom, Dick or Harry.
---christan on 2/9/14


"1.Cor.13:4-7. By that definition, the God most of you believe in does not love."
Love.wins

No, not most, just about three.
MarkV, christian and trey.

Most here know that the Calvin doctrine to be in error. Calvin was recanting it himself when he died.
---Elder on 2/9/14


"Love suffers long and is kind, love does not envy, love does not parade itself, is not puffed up, does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, sees no evil, does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth, bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things." 1.Cor.13:4-7. By that definition, the God most of you believe in does not love.
---Love.wins on 2/9/14


Thanks Rita for your post. You are going to anger the Calvinist here but who cares?
---Elder on 2/9/14


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1 Timothy 2: 3 -6 tells us this:-

This is good, and pleases God our Saviour, who wants ALL people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for ALL people.
---Rita_H on 2/9/14


Love, no one knows why God created human beings that would be going to hell. Everyone can speculate why He did it. But we know He did. We know He put the curse. We know that because of one man Adam, all his descendants are condemned and heading to hell with the exception of Jesus Christ. Why because of one man? No one knows, but what we know is that God never makes mistakes. The Bible also says, "we love Him because He first loved us". Which is pretty simple, those who do not love God were never loved by God, because if they had being loved by God, they would love Him. The Bible also tells us,
"They stumble being disobedient to the Word to which "they also were appointed" (1 Peter 2:8).
---Mark_V. on 2/9/14


To be like him.
---BRYAN on 2/9/14


"God never condemned anyone to burn in hell. Those who will be destroyed in the lake of fire will be there by their own choices - because they didn't LOVE God enough to obey Him." -jerry6593

You preach a gospel of deceit and lies! This is what Paul declared -

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." Romans 9:21,22

And Peter - "...being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed." 1 Peter 2:8

What a liar you are!
---christan on 2/8/14


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God created humans that will love Him as he loves us.

There are two resurrections.

The first are the people who has chosen to know and love God. This is upon the second coming of Jesus when the dead in christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead. This is where the love of God is shown.

The second resurrection is when all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the Book of Life according to their work. This is where the just of God is shown.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.
---Steveng on 2/7/14


God throws people in a lake of fire because they don't love him enough. He's a lot like Herod...
---Love.wins on 2/7/14


Love.wins
//God created us to lavish His love upon.//

I have to go with Cluny answer.
Do you love your kids even when they rebel against you? You being evil love your sons/daughters. How much more does a perfect Father love his sons/daughters. Matt 7:11
---Scott1 on 2/7/14


The answer is .... LOVE.

God is love. Love cannot exist alone, it must be shared.

God never condemned anyone to burn in hell. Those who will be destroyed in the lake of fire will be there by their own choices - because they didn't LOVE God enough to obey Him.




---jerry6593 on 2/7/14


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That's a Good Question. Maybe he was lonely. Maybe he wanted children. Here's a Question How do you find a VOID? Or how do you enter a void?
---BRYAN on 2/6/14


Comments not too helpful, but thanks anyway.
---Love.wins on 2/6/14


God created me to enjoy with love and companionship the living and non-living parts of His creation, and to have a loving relationship with Him. Anguish of separation from Him is hell, not literal, eternal flames.
---Geraldine on 2/6/14


"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." Revelation 4:11

"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" Romans 9:19-21

Answer: To demonstrate His sovereignty over His creatures. Or how else will we know Him as God Almighty.
---christan on 2/6/14


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I don't believe that most people are doomed to hell (MY faith/trust is in a loving and good god that really has rescued THE PEOPLE from doom). Many people choose to give the Creator a bad reputation because THEY themselves are dastardly/"evil" doomsayers,...THEY THEMSELVES are the "devils"
that humanity needs to be aware of). TODAY, the source/origin of evil is no longer satan (satan was destroyed at the cross), the source of evil NOW IN THE JESUS DISPENSATION is THE SIXTH DAY CREATION (humanity). Each person sends themselves to hell (creates their own "hell" while on this earth, Since this is the AGE OF ETERNITY, our present lifestyle determines (and proves) where our destiny will be in THE AGE OF ETERNITY.
---faithforfaith on 2/6/14


God created us to lavish His love upon.

As far as billions burning in hell, we don't know how many will at the end reject him. NOBODY knows that.

The only ones we know for sure will be in hell are the Antichrist and False Prophet.

Their fates are revealed in Scripture, but we aren't told about anyone else, or how many.

So don't speculate.

BTW, your words "knew ahead of time" have a false assumption behind them, but I'll discuss that later.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/14


Why? Because He is the Creator & it pleases Him to create. We can't say for certain the exact number of people who have gone or will go to hell. What we should know is (based on what Scripture says), because of their unbelief, a great many "choose" to go (send themselves) to hell rather than obey God.

From what I understand of Scripture, there's a much bigger reality of beings in God's universe apart from ourselves (humans). It's not all about (centered around) us! Though God loves us (mankind) dearly, we're just a minuscule part of His "ON GOING" creation that includes angels & God only knows what else.
---Leon on 2/6/14


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