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Did The Devil Make Me Do It

Who causes trouble? Demons or our sin nature?

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 ---Lidia4796 on 2/6/14
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The devil alone cannot make one to sin, ones agreement to his suggestions is needed to sin.
If a person looks unto God/Jesus while the temptation is on-going, that person will be delivered, but when he/she trusts in his/herself alone, defeat/stumbling will occur. If we want to overcome, we have to agree with God & His Word at all times.
---Adetunji on 9/12/14


No doubt the devil does at times.
Lot of times, you made you do it.
---Lawrence on 9/10/14


Eve tried telling God, "The devil made me do it," way back in Eden, and it didn't work then, either.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/14


Mevia: I think you are on the right track. We have indeed inherited a sinful (carnal) nature from Adam, as did Christ. Satan and his demons have the ability to tempt us, but temptation is not sin. Christ was also tempted, but overcame the temptation just as we can - by scripture and the power of heaven. It is not until we choose of our own FREE WILL (That's for MarkV and christan.) to give in to temptation that we commit sin.



---jerry6593 on 2/17/14


let me take u back to the beginning when God created man and gave him instruction . Satan came in and tempted man who yielded to his lies.man's hunger to be like God and to know wat is good and bad is wat made him sinful till this day. Temptations are not bad but when we fall into temptation we sin.what the devil wants is accomplices to accompany him to hell and by sinning ,you are in great trouble. You contributed to your sinful nature and the devil as always is there to make u fall. God is forever faithful for He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able but with temptation He will make a way of escape so that you may be able to bear it (1corinthians10:13 )
---Mevia7396 on 2/17/14




The law that caused death is not all that Jesus destroyed, but the AUTHOR OF DEATH also was destroyed (only for the SPIRITUAL worshipers, "TRUE WORSHIPERS" John 4:23)....we "worship IN SPIRIT, NOT TEXT, etc.

WE are (religious humanity) 666 (the 'TRINITY OF MAN' plays GOD. We cannot be divineTRINITY).

You have GOOD UNDERSTANDING....satan is no longer the cause of evil on this earth. True, he does PROMOTE/influence/encourage it by seeking all who will be weak (our flesh is weakness), but WE are the "man of sin" in the JESUS DISPENSATION, and you know WHAT is restraining him (yes, HIS SPIRIT in the inner man is restraining the evil person in us). Rev. 13:18 it is the number of FALLEN MAN (not REDEEMED man).
---faithforfaith on 2/15/14


Why do people not fully cooperate with GOD. Because they are drawn of their own wishes and lust. They let their desire for something rule their lives.

Which is why we must:
Rom 6:6

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Being crucified is hard and painful. So is dying to sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/14/14


"Sin, obviously. Next question, please."
Cluny

OK.... What would make someone not fully cooperate with God's help and grace?

Next answer please. No ignoring allowed.
---Elder on 2/13/14


//You will find neither the formula "sin nature" nor such a teaching anywhere in Scripture.//

In 2 Peter 1:4, we are informed that we could become a partaker of the "divine nature", having escaped from the corruption...through lust. What would you call the nature that we escape from if you do not believe that there is a "sin-nature"?
---Adetunji on 2/14/14


Hello,my study is follows:
Jeremiah 17:9,Gen.6:5, Pro.14:12,
NIV Rom.8:6-8, Is.55:7,8.

Have to go with the biblical truth & reality we do have a sin nature. It goes back to Adam is the one got us into this perdicament.

Most time, ( 'our fallen nature) we know our selves we do not as told to do but, humans do as we please until God gets a hold of us. Leave you with 2Pet. 1:3,4.

His way is always best! Even then we
Still not perfect.
Thankyou,everyone.

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 2/12/14




**"If he cooperates fully with God's help and grace..."
Cluny

What do you call it if someone doesn't cooperate fully with God?**

Sin, obviously.

Next question, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/12/14


Jam 1:13,14
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

If I never sinned the rest of my entire life I would still be a sinner. Because my nature tempts me to sin.

Hbr 2:18
For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

JESUS can deliver us. Read First John. We need to die to self each day and live to JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/12/14


"If he cooperates fully with God's help and grace..."
Cluny

What do you call it if someone doesn't cooperate fully with God?

I was approached by a Pastor friend who had this ability to not sin in his heart. He told me, "I realize that the more I live I can live without sinning."

I simply said to him, That should sure make you proud!

Ugh.... back to square one....
---Elder on 2/12/14


Cluny, if you tell me that you don't sin or that you can go for a day without sinning and you're on this side of the grave I believe with all my heart that you are a liar. We are all sinners. If it were possible for us to live without sinning, surely the Apostle Paul would have ceased from sinning. I read where Paul wrote:

1Tim1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.

Paul did not say "I was the chief" he said "I am chief".
---trey on 2/11/14


\\Cluny, if you do not believe in a sin nature, do you believe that man can live a sinless life?
---trey on 2/10/14\\

If he cooperates fully with God's help and grace, yes.

Sin is something EXTRINSIC to our ontology.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/11/14


Cluny, if you do not believe in a sin nature, do you believe that man can live a sinless life?
---trey on 2/10/14


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\\If the Orthodox Church teaches something different they can have it. I'd rather have the truth of the scriptures.\\

You will find neither the formula "sin nature" nor such a teaching anywhere in Scripture.

That means you don't want to believe the TRUTH of scripture, but just the traditions and precepts of men you have been taught.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/10/14


Cluny, In Romans chapter 7 Paul states:
Rom7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do I.

Paul is speaking of the warfare that occurs due to our sin nature warring against our new man/inner man.
If the Orthodox Church teaches something different they can have it. I'd rather have the truth of the scriptures.
---trey on 2/10/14


\\Cluny, what you are saying is that all in the orthodox church are perfect and never sin, is that correct?\\

Wrong again.

Please get by logic from "no such thing as 'sin nature' to 'no Orthodox ever sins.'"

You cannot do so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/14


Adam instead of taking responsibility for his faithless act of not protecting his wife, turned and accused God for giving him the woman and that it was her who cause him to sin. Everyone but himself was wrong.
---christan on 2/9/14

But according to you it was really God fault:)
---Ruben on 2/10/14


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The last thing you want to do standing before God Almighty is to lay blame on anyone but yourself. Then it amounts to one not being repentant toward God for sinning. Just like our father Adam.

When confronted by God, this is what he said to his Creator, "The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

Adam instead of taking responsibility for his faithless act of not protecting his wife, turned and accused God for giving him the woman and that it was her who cause him to sin. Everyone but himself was wrong.
---christan on 2/9/14


Cluny, what you are saying is that all in the orthodox church are perfect and never sin, is that correct? Because a person needs to be perfect otherwise he has a nature that sins. Your church members and you must be perfect and without sin. Which is shear nonsense.
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom. 3:23). Why do they fall short of the glory of God? Because they are sinful. It is not a protestant concept, it is a Bible concept. You keep following your traditions believing your teachers are sinless. But you are wrong.
All human beings, before God saved them, lived in the passions of their flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:3)
---Mark_V. on 2/9/14


We do by not believing what the word said. Genesis 3:4 "You will not certainly die, satan said we believed him over God.
---BRYAN on 2/9/14


\\Cluny: //There's no such thing as "sin nature."
It's just ourselves. //
The sin nature comes with all that descended from Adam.\\

"Sin nature" is a Protestant buzz word that is nothing more than a warped version of the Roman Catholic doctrines of Original Sin and Concupiscence.

This is just one more example of how all Western Christianity is alike, and why Orthodoxy is different.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/8/14


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Sis. Lidia, it is the fallen nature we inherited from Adam, that troubles all human beings in this life. This fallen nature is in every human being born physically with the exception of Jesus in His humanity, He was born of the Holy Spirit not of man.
Demons on the other hand cause a lot of problems to the lost, because they belong to the devil. While lost and without Christ, people are by nature children of wrath. The lost practice sin. The Bible does not state anywhere we have two natures. What it teaches is that we are a new creation in Christ, and that is a spiritual new creation. Born of God.
Even believers in Christ have trouble with sin, no one escapes that problem in this life. But we no longer practice sin.
---Mark_V. on 2/8/14


Hi,everybody thanks! waitin' & watching! learning..also to moderator.thanks!
love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 2/7/14


Scott1: //Both. A sailboat . .good analogy. Our flesh (sin nature) is rowing the boat toward sin and a demon coming along giving a nice breeze to help us along (temptation). // I totally agree with this.

Cluny: //There's no such thing as "sin nature."
It's just ourselves. //
The sin nature comes with all that descended from Adam. I am not denying the fact that we played a part in any sinful act committed. Someone (unknown) clearly defines SIN as Satan Infested Nature [the spirit(satan+his demons) that worketh in the children of disobedience Eph.2:2]. When we accept the Lord Jesus Christ into our lives, the sin-nature is ejected from us. For emphasis, nobody can stop deliberate sinning until the Lord Jesus comes in.
---Adetunji on 2/7/14


There's no such thing as "sin nature."

It's just ourselves.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/7/14


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Lidia "Man, born of a woman [is] of few days, and full of trouble." Job 14:1
"Man is born unto trouble." Job 5:7
Why? "Because the carnal mind is hostile towards God, for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be." Rom 8:7
---josef on 2/7/14


Lidia, Scripture says 'man is drawn out by his own desires"
Man always like to blame someone else!
---1st_cliff on 2/7/14


Both. A sailboat is a good analogy. Our flesh (sin nature) is rowing the boat toward sin and a demon coming along giving a nice breeze to help us along (temptation). 1 Peter 5:8 "Your adversary ... prowls like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour." James 1:14 "... each person is lured by his own desires"
---Scott1 on 2/7/14


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