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Are We Already Saved

If we are already saved, why does the Bible say this?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

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Samuel, We have a SDA lad rooming with us temporarily while attending college .
Their interpretation of what constitutes "work" on the Sabbath is closer to the Talmud than the bible!
Even Jesus had issues with this!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/14


-However when I meet the Seventh day Adventist they were different in the way they answered my objections.- Samuel

It's funny...I had a different experience. In my mid thirties I finished school and moved to nashville. I was terribly dismayed with churches that met on sunday, so I gave the sda church a call. I met with the main guy and I had no objections. I could have been putty in his hand. But he barely said a word. As I was leaving I turned and said, see you on Saturday. He just gave my a cold stare. as a result, I did not go. And what God showed me in the next 14 years, I realize that I am so fortunate that I did not go.
---aka on 3/5/14


aka, I have no issue with "word pictures" Jesus used illustrations all the time!
One can illuminate many denominations who jointly hold a false belief! --1st_cliffon 3/5/14

Again it strikes me funny that you are starting to distance yourself from your own analogy of burning...the one jesus used ... by using the word illuminate.

And by your past posts...you do have a problem with many word pictures of jesus that I read.
---aka on 3/5/14


Interesting. Word pictures are very good and we should use them.

I tried a number of denominations before deciding to become an agnostic. However when I meet the Seventh day Adventist they were different in the way they answered my objections.

Which is one of the reasons 40 years latter that I am still a member of the Seventh day Adventist.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/14


Perhaps you understand God's Word-pictures more than you admit.-aka on 3/4/14

Aka
My thoughts exactly. Cliffs comments drew me to the Wheat and the Tares parable in the (Matthew 13:24-30). And the Lords explanation of that parable in (Matthew 13:36-43).

Burn the hay and then you will find the needle.
---David on 3/5/14




We are nearer to our salvation because that is when our flesh will be redeemed. That happens at the Day of our Lord. Spiritually, we are saved already because we believed by faith and spiritually united into Christ.
---Luke on 3/5/14


aka, I have no issue with "word pictures" Jesus used illustrations all the time!
One can illuminate many denominations who jointly hold a false belief!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/14


Cliff,

It strikes me funny that you compare the denominations to the many needles of a haystack and your solution to get to the Truth ...I.e. The needle... is to burn them to find the needle.

Perhaps you understand God's Word-pictures more than you admit.
---aka on 3/4/14


Cluny, The use of a magnet would be fine if the haystack wasn't too large, but with amount of denominations today, it's a pretty big stack!
---1st_cliff on 3/4/14


Cliff
I learned long ago, there's only one way to discover if what people say is the Truth.
Do what they say, and see the results for yourself.

I followed the path of a few doctrines, seeking God through what they taught, and what they said would happen, didn't. As a result of that, I became an unbeliever.

Many years later, because of a deep depression, I did what Jesus tells us to do in his Gospels, and that's how I learned the Truth.
Folks can believe what they want about me, but when they do, what I tell them the Lord taught me to do, then they will know the Truth.
---David on 3/4/14




\\Like finding a needle in a haystack, it would take eons to examine every straw, so burn it down and find the needle!
\\

Why not use a magnet first?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/4/14


David, **Why do you believe as you believe**
Good question.
Like finding a needle in a haystack, it would take eons to examine every straw, so burn it down and find the needle!
Eliminate religions that preach heresy, doctrines that
are unsubstantiated by scripture, superstitious and mythological beliefs etc..
At least this is my method!
---1st_cliff on 3/3/14


Well since this is kind of off topic anyway.

There are three main schools of thought on how to understand the Bible. The orthodox is as told to the People by the authorities.

Covenant that GOD down through history has established covenants and each one blends into the previous.

Then finally Dispensationalism which puts walls up between each dispensation. They are similar to the covenant periods.

Many people do not question or actually read the Bible. They accept what certain people say then ignore all other scripture to prove them and theirs correct.

However only GOD can judge the heart. So we are not to decide if they are lost or saved. It is not our job.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/14


It's one of the reasons why there are so many different denominations all claiming to be the "right one"!---1st_cliff on 3/2/14

Cliff
I agree. Why do you believe as you believe? Were you taught by men or in the same way I claim to be taught?
---David on 3/3/14


David, you said "honestly" so I will ask you another question, you answered that you were not a Jehovah witness, yet when you answered me on the topic of whether Jesus had resurrected bodily, you quoted your answer from the New World Translation, which is different then the Holy Bible. Why do you then use the New World Translation to answer passages? There must be a reason why it is your source of truth.
---Luke on 3/3/14


David, I just thought about you maybe being another David, if you happen to be another David that I answered to on another question, please accept my apologizes. Maybe there is other David's answering. The other David had numbers after his name.
---Luke on 3/3/14


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David, I know a few other people just like you who claim to be taught by Holy Spirit, trouble is they have completely opposite beliefs!
(of course yours is the right one) I have a saying that "Imagination is a wonderful thing"!
It's one of the reasons why there are so many different denominations all claiming to be the "right one"!
---1st_cliff on 3/2/14


Luke
Honestly, I don't read any Christian literature about the Bible, except of course, the Bible itself.
I have many commentaries, but I look to them to find those who teach scripture, as I have been taught scripture through the Holy Spirit.

The Bible is my confirmation that what I have learned is from God. Many times I have been taught a Biblical teaching, never seeing the scripture before it was taught to me in meditation.
---David on 3/2/14


David, since you say you are not promoting "works for salvation" I now understand what you are trying to express. You must have read "The gospel according to Jesus Christ" am I correct? The reason I asked is because you made a statement that says:
"How can you call Jesus, "Lord", if you do not do as he tells you to do?"

Am I correct?
---Luke on 3/2/14


David, Neither are you the JW David on here, right?--1st_cliff

Nope, I'm not a JW either.
---David on 3/1/14


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David, Neither are you the JW David on here, right?
---1st_cliff on 3/1/14


Ephesians 2:10 "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
To whom was Pauls saying this? Verse 11 holds the answer, "Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh...", Gentiles. Paul is just stressing that God had ordained the Gentiles to be, "no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God".

Ephesians 3 has Paul addressing the "mystery" made known to him: Ephesians 3:6:
"That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel"
---Nana on 2/28/14


1st Cliff
I am neither Protestant or Catholic.

Though it's interesting to note, what the Protestants lack in their teachings on "Works", is found in the Catholic teachings.

And what the Catholic Church lacks in their teachings, those teachings are found in the Protestant teachings.
---David on 3/1/14


"The 12 diciples put everything aside and followed Jesus. I can see where that would take a special person."
shira4368 on 2/27/14

Yes, it would take a special person. Jesus said, John 3:19_21 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

Yes shira4368, they were special. As special as any good person is.
---Nana on 2/28/14


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The 12 diciples put everything aside and followed Jesus. I can see where that would take a special person. Christ had not yet died for our sin. They believed Christ and that counted for righteousness. One should be able to know the heart was changed without saying it directly.
---shira4368 on 2/27/14


RichardC,
In looking at the 12 disciples I do not see anywhere that they got a new heart.
I did find where Jesus said, "For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me, and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me."
Even so he said to them, John 6:67 "Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?"

Concerning the receiving of the Gospel he stated, Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."
---Nana on 2/26/14


The work of God in the believers life is that he believes by faith in Christ John 6:29 It is a work done by God on the believers life. Eph 2:10 reads,
"for we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"
We are the vessel He created beforehand to good works. The good works we do are the fruits of the believers. If Jesus is your Lord, you should be doing everything possible to please Him. Every believer will show good fruits "good works."
---Luke on 2/26/14


Nana on 2/24/14 - They would have to Believe ,

(Faith / Belief - all come from God)

Romans 10:10 - For with the Heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation,

{ God changes the person Heart so they truly believe, Refer - Roman 2:28 -29 - God circumcision of the Heart , - Ezekiel 36:26 -}
---RichardC on 2/26/14


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David, it seems that you rejected my reference to John 6:29 which shows that our works are to believe on Jesus. Interesting that you would reject the gospel like that---Haz27 on 2/24/14

Haz
I don't reject it, I reject your understanding of it.
You do not believe faith in Jesus Christ, involves you doing what he tells you to do. You believe faith in Christ is in only in thought and not in action, as James taught in (James 2).

Because of what you have come to believe, you stay away from the clearly written verses like (John 14:21-23),(Romans 2:6-7)and (James 2:14-25).
You use verses like (John 6:29), which can be molded to mean whatever you want them to mean.
---David on 2/25/14


Matthew 21:32 "..., and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: ..." He was talking to the "chief priests and Pharisees" as well, " O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee.."- and they "would not!".

Paul says of who wouldn't, "And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again."

You already saved who are far from the vine? Doubtful, "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered, ..." Of course your vanity-pride voice your self called election, why not voice the Lord's word, "Abide in me"?
---Nana on 2/24/14


Thanks Nana for explaining John 6:29.

RichardC, note the question in John 6:28 that Jesus was answering.

"WHAT SHALL WE DO....?"
---Haz27 on 2/24/14


RichardC,
I agree with your thoughts. Note what Christ says to Peter:
Matt 16"Blessed art thou Simon Barjona for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven"

Christ also stated that no man can come unto him except his Father draw him.

Without the Lord first drawing one to Christ they cannot come to Christ. They have no desire to approach unto Christ.
---trey on 2/24/14


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"Haz27 - ( In this verses it says ,It's Gods work ! not man's work , check out some commentary's on this verse they have it
this way , )"
---RichardC on 2/24/14

Which "some commentary's" are you speaking of? "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
If the work was God's they would have believed but it wasn't. It was their's to perform with their God given capacity
---Nana on 2/24/14


HAZ 27 - on 2/24 - Which shows that our work are to believe him ?

John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that we believe on him whom he hath sent,

Haz27 - ( In this verses it says ,It's Gods work ! not man's work , check out some commentary's on this verse they have it
this way , )
---RichardC on 2/24/14


David, it seems that you rejected my reference to John 6:29 which shows that our works are to believe on Jesus. Interesting that you would reject the gospel like that

1John 3:22,23 answers your last question. Hopefully you won't reject this scripture too.

1John 3:22,23
. "And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment"
---Haz27 on 2/24/14


Elder, I could be wrong but this David sounds more like a Catholic David than a JW David.
They never talk about protestants!
---1st_cliff on 2/23/14


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In you quest to push your false doctrine you try to twist statements like some of the other cults. You are such a MarkV. Different cup same flavor. Elder on 2/22/14

Sadly the legalists think the deeds/works that shows their faith is obedience to the law of sin and death. Such doctrines are really unbelief.
---Haz27 on 2/22/14


Elder/Haz
They threw rocks at Jesus too, when they unable to answer his questions. Here's a new one.

To be saved, one must make Jesus the Lord of their life.
How can you call Jesus, "Lord", if you do not do as he tells you to do?
Easy and with an obvious answer, but will you accept the answer, or throw more stones at me?
---David on 2/23/14


Our good works will not gain us access to heaven, but our bad works will keep us out. The evidence of our faith in Christ is not our profession of faith or our claiming of His grace as a license to sin. No, the true evidence of our faith is the fruit of the spirit, which is expressed in our good works.


But, back to the blog topic:

What does "saved" mean?

"Saved" from what?

Who decides if I am "saved"? And when?

Can I be "un-saved"?



---jerry6593 on 2/23/14


"If we are already saved, why does the Bible say this?"
We have been saved from the penalty of sin and death. However, we will not be saved from the restrictions, frailties, and finiteness of this human body, nor this human experience, until we are redeemed, "to wit, the redemption of our body".
---Josef on 2/23/14


Doesn't James teach "faith without deeds is worthless", in (James 2:14-26)?
How can a person be saved by a faith without deeds, if that faith is worthless?
---David on 2/21/14

The deeds/works we do that shows our faith is to believe on Jesus, as John 6:29 tells us.

Sadly the legalists think the deeds/works that shows their faith is obedience to the law of sin and death. Such doctrines are really unbelief.

The law is not of faith, Gal 3:12.
We cannot mix grace with works of the law, Rom 11:6.

Mixing grace with works of the law is a lukewarm doctrine that God rejects, Rev 3:15. To any who follow such lukewarm doctrines God calls on them to repent, Rev 3:19.
---Haz27 on 2/22/14


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"Show us another writer in the Bible who teaches, as you do, that faith is without deeds."
David

In you quest to push your false doctrine you try to twist statements like some of the other cults.

What I have said your works do not save you.

Of course you are relying on your works so I can see why such a statement would up set you.

You are such a MarkV. Different cup same flavor.
---Elder on 2/22/14


...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Paul is probably referring to what the Old Testament prophets called "the Day of the Lord." The time of final judgement, final accounting, and when God calls an end of all things.
---Rod4Him on 2/22/14


Difference being the legalistic epistle of James is addressed to the twelve tribes ---Michael e

Michael
Thank you for your answer.
I have often wondered how the Protestant church negated so much of the New Testament evidence, against their Grace teachings. Now I know why the Protestant church created their Grace doctrine on the words of Paul alone, and do not need two witnesses for what they teach.

So if we can't prove this teaching false by using the other bible teachings, and you will accept the word of Jesus Christ in his Gospels, or the clear words of Paul in (Romans 2:6-10) & (Romans 2:13), which parts of the Bible does the Protestant accept?
I truly fear for the Protestants in the coming tribulation.
---David on 2/22/14


Back to the blog topic:

What does "saved" mean?

"Saved" from what?

Who decides if I am "saved"? And when?

Can I be "un-saved"?



---jerry6593 on 2/22/14


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//Does that mean we should tear that book out of our Bibles?//
Of course not, But you should understand, whos writing? To whom is he writing? What are the circumstances around this writing? James is the writer, he's writing to the 12 scattered tribes(Acts 8:1)
James doesn't speak of the Body of Christ, the Church. or the power of the Resurrection. Its all Jewish but many want this letter and the other letters following it to be Church letters to make their doctrine fit.
---michael_e on 2/21/14


Blogger9211, If given enough rope some people will hang themselves!
A fella tried to hang himself with a bungee chord and almost died three times !
Lighten up!
---1st_cliff on 2/21/14


//...epistle of James is addressed to the twelve tribes of Israel.//

Does that mean we should tear that book out of our Bibles?
---Rod4Him on 2/21/14


//Doesn't James teach "faith without deeds is worthless", in (James 2:14-26)?//
Difference being the legalistic epistle of James is addressed to the twelve tribes of Israel. Paul addresses the church, the boC.
The boC doesn't have twelve tribes.
---michael_e on 2/21/14


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"I have it on good account that you were never actually born, you were just rung out of the bar rag."
Blogger9211

This was addressed to 1st Cliff but it sure sounds like a total lie to me.

This statement was totally uncalled for. I wonder what purpose it serves.

This nasty statement distracts from the creditability of Blogger9211 and rejects the very first item in the Blogger Instructions of being a Christ like reply.
---Elder on 2/21/14


David how many times have you and others been told to not build a doctrine on one statement. ---Elder on 2/20/14

Elder
How many times must you be told, "two or more make a witness"?
You claim Paul taught what you teach, show us another witness in the Bible, through whom your truth can be confirmed.
Show us another writer in the Bible who teaches, as you do, that faith is without deeds.

As to your one verse comment, not only do I have more than one verse, I have many witnesses in the Bible who teach what I teach, James for example.

Doesn't James teach "faith without deeds is worthless", in (James 2:14-26)?
How can a person be saved by a faith without deeds, if that faith is worthless?
---David on 2/21/14


---Blogger9211 on 2/19/14, I believe what you're saying, but your approach is about as blunt as a 2x4 to the head.
Go easy on the lambs and give them scriptures to chew on.

Here is one for you and I hope you understand what I mean:
Matt11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Matt11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 2/20/14


"I have it on good account that you were never actually born, you were just rung out of the bar rag."-Blogger9211 on 2/20/14
"As an Elder in the Presbyterian_(USA) I..."-Blogger9211 on 1/22/14-Presbyterian Predestination Blog
"Ken Ham is an incompetent Maggot Head."-Blogger9211 on 2/11/14-KH vs PR Blog
"...a more knowledgeable Bible scholar. Luke was never a Gospel..."Blogger9211 on 2/7/14-Explain One Or Two Men Blog
Are you sure your an elder?
Are you even over 13?
It is a sad day for Presbyterians to have such a man represent them.
---micha9344 on 2/20/14


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"Predestination only applies to your salvation, everything else you are on your own with."

Quick, quick, someone show me where we find this statement to be true.

Where is the Bible reference? Hurry I'm sitting here holding my breath just waiting.

If I pass out that must'a been predetermined too.

I've noticed that if you are predestined to anything you can make things up as you go.
---Elder on 2/20/14


David how many times have you and others been told to not build a doctrine on one statement.

I explained what this chapter was about. That seems to not be good enough because you have built a "faith" on one statement.

Anyone, including you, who would study Romans would see the the book clearly teaches justification by faith.

How about this one verse? The name of God is blasphemed through you Rom 2:24. How's that feel?
---Elder on 2/20/14


1st Cliff,

Predestination only applies to your salvation, everything else you are on your own with. So if you get drunk in the bar and pass out on the street you have to be careful that a Budweiser Clydesdale does not step on your head when making the next delivery to the bar. I have it on good account that you were never actually born, you were just rung out of the bar rag.
---Blogger9211 on 2/20/14


David, we do good deeds after we are born again. salvation is a gift freely given. We don't have to do anything to have Gods grace except believe. Listen to elder and you will learn much.
---shira4368 on 2/20/14


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(Romans 2:6-7) God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Elder
After reading the above passage, do you believe the verse says, "to those who by persistence in doing good, God will give Eternal Life"?

If you do, it's very clear good deeds are required for Eternal life.
If you don't, you made my point, that men read the bible, not as to what it says, but as according to the doctrine they follow.
---David on 2/20/14


Isn't it strange that those who believe in predestination still look both ways before crossing the street??
---1st_cliff on 2/20/14


If YHWH picked you to be in is family billions of years prior to starting the creation process you have nothing to worry about. YHWH may have to take you to the wood shed for an attitude adjustment but he never ever throws his adopted children away.

YHWH knows every action or inaction every person would ever take. Salvation was by invitation only and that is a done deal now and if you were not selected there is nothing any one can do to change their status.
---Blogger9211 on 2/19/14


Christianity (...all Jesus worshipers, the first century name is not really anything to quibble/quarell about, do not be factious) answer one question for themselves and realize a 'TRUTH' (a REAL truth) that is VERY MEANINGFUL.

Were you alive two thousand years ago?

Did the people that spoke two thousand years ago speak clearly to you or were you not there?

Did you ever shake Jesus's hand after the Sermon on the Mount?

If not, consider the amazing possibility that Romans 13 (just like most scripture verses) was not intended for YOUR ears/listening/edification.

Romans 13 was said TO THE JEWS, and was FOR THE JEWS.
---faithforfaith on 2/19/14


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"Read (Romans 11:6) and then read (Romans 2:6-7)"
David

David Rom 2 is about the judgement of God according to truth v/s the judgement of man.

Rom 11 is about grace v/s works in obtaining salvation.

There is no conflict there. These are two different issues.
---Elder on 2/19/14


Elder
Read (Romans 11:6) and then read (Romans 2:6-7).
As you can see, there is a clear conflict in the two passages, as Grace is taught by the Protestants.

The foundation for the true teaching of Grace is found in (John 14:21), as taught by the Author of Salvation.
Grace is the favor of God, and we grow in his favor by following the commands of Jesus Christ, commands we receive through Gods Holy Spirit.

By "works", in (Romans 11:6), Paul refers to the old covenant Law given to Moses, a Law which no man could keep. Through Jesus Christ, God gave us a Law any man can keep. That Law which says, "Love you brother",
Not just in words, but in your deeds.
---David on 2/18/14


"Knowing the time", Paul says we know that Christ's return is closer today than it was when we first believed.

"that now it is high time to awake out of sleep"...that is "wake up people!!!" It is time to start serving God rather than serving yourself. Christ might put it this way:
Matt8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me, and let the dead bury their dead.
---trey on 2/17/14


Cluny
I was being Facetious. Of course the word of God should come before the word man. But in this world, many put their doctrine before the word of God.
---David on 2/17/14


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//Where do confession and repentance fit in? Is it a one-time event or a three-step process such as justification, sanctification and glorification?//
Salvation is in 3 phases viz: initial, continuous, final. Initial salvation is becoming born-again. Continuous Salvation is daily walking in the new path of godliness until death or rapture. Final Salvation is acceptance into God's paradise after God's judgement.
---Adetunji on 2/17/14


Cluny: This is a great blog topic! There is a great deal of confusion on the topic of salvation in the Christian community. Perhaps we should define terms.

What does "salvation" mean? Is it an irrevocable "ticket to heaven". How does it differ from acceptance of Christ's sacrifice or baptism. Where do confession and repentance fit in? Is it a one-time event or a three-step process such as justification, sanctification and glorification? Is it complete NOW or only when we make it to heaven? And lastly, Who is the judge of our fitness for heaven? Us or God? And when does that occur? Now or when He comes and brings His "reward" with Him?




---jerry6593 on 2/17/14


"Also Paul is not always completely consistent in his writing."
Love.wins

You said it now show it. I'd be interested in seeing this in Scripture and not just some guessing. Thanks.
---Elder on 2/16/14


\\In your argument, you argue against the greatest living teacher of the protestant movement, that man being Billy Graham. \\

And you think that's a spiritual recommendation to an Orthodox?

And I didn't know that it was wrong on these blogs to quote the Bible directly as I did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/16/14


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I know that my salvation is nearer than it was fifty two years ago (when I was saved). It is now fifty two years nearer than it was at that time.

I was 'saved' at age 18 and, now, at age 70 I am closer to seeing Christ for myself. That, I feel, is when my salvation will be complete.

Whether or not that is what this verse refers to I am not sure.

We are told to live each day as if it is our last because none of us know when our last day WILL be.
---Rita_H on 2/16/14


Cluny
In your argument, you argue against the greatest living teacher of the protestant movement, that man being Billy Graham.
Therefore it does not matter if you show biblical evidence, which shows this teachings to be a lie.

Men will always follow those they see as their teachers, no matter how much evidence you show to prove that teaching wrong.
This is why Christ warned us against calling a man teacher. When you see a man as your teacher, you will follow that man, even though you believe it is Christ you are following.

Those who hold the teachings of Billy Graham, higher than the teachings of Jesus Christ, are what I call, "Billy Goats".(Matthew 25:31-46).
---David on 2/16/14


Paul uses all of the tenses throughout his letters to describe saved (past), being saved (present), and will be saved (as you have point out here) (future).

God is Great
---Scott1 on 2/13/14


Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v 38, Matt. 24 v 13.
---Lawrence on 2/13/14


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1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

Heb_2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Peace
---TheSeg on 2/11/14


Also Paul is not always completely consistent in his writing.
---Love.wins on 2/10/14


Cluny that is really simple to me the way I see it. We are saved but we need to wake up to the time and that Christ is nearer to returning everyday thus we need to be fully sold out to God to follow Him and His Word for our time grows shorter with each day. One day at a time,live each day as though there was no tomorrow. Loving God more than we do ourselves.
---Darlene_1 on 2/10/14


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