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Understanding Of The Gospel

Is understanding of the gospel a requirement for eternal salvation?

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Where in the scriptures are we offered salvation......
---trey on 2/24/14


Why do we/me seldom ask the source? We want a different answer?
Christ gives appropriate answers and references as do all the prophets....who Christ was fulfilling prophecies of.

Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Heb_8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel "AND" with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 3/28/14


Deuteronomy 29...Moses is recalling to Israel God's covenant promises. Verse 4 literally ends TILL this day. They spent 40 years in the wilderness, a trip that literally took only weeks. Why, because God was teaching them to live by faith after so many years in bondage in Egypt. We have manna, water from a rock, the bronze serpent incident, and so on. God did not literally blind them to rebel against Him going to the promise of the land.

And many didn't enter in. Hebrews 3-4 tell us why. THEY is why. Not GOD. God warns against those even today who refuse to ENTER IN.

God made a promise to ABRAHAM then to Jacob concerning the land promised to ALL his descendants. And then to say God lied about that PROMISE Is blasphemy.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/14


Hebrews 3-4 says they were preached the Gospel same as us. It is also a type and shadow of entering intoREST, AKA salvation. Not one word in Hebrews 3-4 about the twisted Calvinistic theory. Not one word in Hebrews period about any twisted Calvinistic theory of salvation.

TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION.

Your "one hit wonders" Markv have no substance all alone. Any false gospel can be made out of single verses. That is why we are instructed to STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED OF GOD, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD Of TRUTH.
---kathr453 on 3/27/14


Markv, still up to your old tricks. same ol same ol same ol misquoted johnny-one-note verses you just love cherry picking here and there to prove nothing but the fact you are still Markv, Luke.

Your slip is starting to show big time.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14


Hebrews 3:17 "But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?"
It does not say, "the deaf, dumb and blind", does it?
1 Corinthians 10:5 "But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness."
No, it does not mention the deaf, dumb and blind there either.
---Nana on 3/24/14




// Now Moses called all Israel and said to them: You have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt, to pharaoh and to all his servants and to all his land-the great trails which your eyes have seen, the signs, and those great wonders. "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day Deuteronomy 29:2-4.
The word of the Lord.
It is God who gives the spiritual eyes to see, the heart to perceive, and the ears to hear. without them, a person remains blind, deaf, and with a corrupt heart.
---Luke on 3/24/14


Jesus told one of those mockers the one who repeated I will see you in paradise this day. God is not a god of punishment but of freedom. He is not afear of what you think you can do with that he has give you. It will only produce one of two things, his life in you or your death you choose.
---Bryan on 3/23/14


2)
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved."
They saw the light, just that they would not have anything to do with it. This is the natural man.
---Nana on 3/22/14


Brian,
Mt27:44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.
Note: Both thieves are mocking him.

Isa52:14 As many were astonied at thee, his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
Isa53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness, and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

There was nothing physically attractive about Jesus even before he was beaten. What drew this man to Christ was the Holy Spirit. He cried out to Christ because he had experienced a change.
---trey on 3/22/14


"James L, faith is a fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22."
---trey

Are you suggesting that this is what one might call "saving faith", as if it were to support the notion of regeneration before saving faith ??

If so, the burden of proof would be upon you to demonstrate it, not simply assert it.


"Man does not direct the Spirit
....man is passive and God is active."

---trey

I'm not sure what you think that adds to the discussion, for I've argued the same points in my previous posts.

Rather than drown your empty assertions by arguing what I agree with, support it with something other than a "one hit wonder" that has no supporting context
---James_L on 3/22/14




1)
A "sinner who is lost" is not necessarily the same as the "natural man" Paul described.
"For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."

The publicans and the harlots were definitely 'lost sinners' yet they had ears to hear with and eyes to see with and they believed John.
Of "the chief priests and the elders" Jesus said, "...and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him."
To say that they did not have eyes to see is to call Jesus a liar. Nice going Murky!
---Nana on 3/22/14


// It does not take much to receive what is freely give to all. Man made religion tries to make it harded than the Gospel.//

It does take a lot. First, the sinner has to be spiritually alive in order to understand any spiritual matters. And that work is the work of the Holy Spirit. Without that work in the sinner he remains the same, blind, without understanding of the gospel. The Bible tells us that the things that are spiritual, like seeing, hearing, understanding the word of God are foolishness to sinner who is lost.
"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Corinthians 2:14.
---Luke on 3/22/14


There were two men on the cross with Jesus. The one who believed Jesus to be the son of God received eternal salvation. It does not take much to receive what is freely give to all. Man made religion tries to make it harded than the Gospel.
---Bryan on 3/21/14


It is not about saying a few words and wham you are saved.

---Luke

So very right and so very true. But many seem to think so. They look at I say these words then still live the way I want to and GOD has to take me in no matter what I do.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/14


James L, faith is a fruit of the Spirit - Gal 5:22.

Man does not direct the Spirit of God just like man cannot direct the wind - John 3:8.

Christ is the author of our faith not man - Heb 12:2

We are given the measure of faith by God - Romans 12:3

Even our belief in Christ comes from God - Phil 1:29

In every case man is passive and God is active.
---trey on 3/21/14


Hello again Samuel,
//And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.//

The rich young ruler is a good example. He came to Christ. Even believed He was the Lord who had power to give eternal life or else he would not have come to Him. He was seeking salvation. Did Jesus save him? No. Did Jesus tell him to receive Him as Lord? That He was knocking on the door to his heart? No.
What Jesus did do was to test him. With that test Jesus send him away. It is not easy as people think and teach. To follow Christ, is to turn your whole life to Him. How many do you know give up everything? Not many as people think. It is not about saying a few words and wham you are saved.
---Luke on 3/21/14


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John 14:11 "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

Basically two options, either believe the word or believe the works. There is no third option like God sprinkling pixie dust on anybody or bending the will of anyone.
---Nana on 3/20/14


Well how is one to enter the mandatory small narrow gate if he/she does not understand?
---Theodore_A._Jones on 3/20/14


"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13
BTW he is not referencing the Sinai code.
---Theodore_A._Jones on 3/20/14


"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13
BTW he is not referencing the Sinai code.
---Theodore_A._Jones on 3/20/14


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//Almost 100% correct. Faith is not an "act of receiving", faith is passive.//

We are told faith comes to the sinner. If it comes, it mean he never had it. He receives it from God.
"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17.
God give His people, the ones He is going to save, an inward working of the Holy Spirit in order that they may believe, and faith is only the act of receiving the proffered gift.
Faith is, only the instrumental cause, and not the meritorious cause, of salvation. Agape brother
---Luke on 3/20/14


Very close James.

If a person says they have faith but do no works they are lying. Read James and Galatians.

We are charged that to be saved we must believe or have faith in the Lord JESUS CHRIST.
Act 16:31

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/14


"...salvation is of grace....It cannot be of works....There is no merit in believing, for faith itself is a gift of God. God give His people an inward working of the Spirit in order that they may believe, and faith is only the act of receving the proffered gift."
---Luke on 3/19/14

Almost 100% correct. Faith is not an "act of receiving", faith is passive.

The Holy Spirit convicts and enlightens, whereby we believe the gospel of peace.

Like a doctor transplanting a heart. The body doesn't have an "act of receiving" the heart.

When the Holy Spirit enlightens us, we believe.

Not of works, lest any man should boast
---James_L on 3/19/14


"JamesL, where does man get faith?"
---trey on 3/19/14

What do you mean "get faith" ???

Do you mean "Where does man get the spiritual water gun which he points and shoots toward Christ?" ???

Do you mean "Who superimposes a change of disposition onto a man, by which he now desires to choose Christ?" ???

If either of these, they are both bogus.

Faith is not a "choosing", whether byway of superimposition by God or natural faculties of man.

And faith has nothing to do with obeying or submitting or following or devoting.

Faith is full assurance of the promise of God (Rom 4:21-24)
---James_L on 3/19/14


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JamesL, where does man get faith?
---trey on 3/19/14


//But we access this grace through faith.//

We are told that salvation is of grace, as the Scriptures so clearly teach. It cannot be of works, whether actual or foreseen. There is no merit in believing, for faith itself is a gift of God. God give His people an inward working of the Spirit in order that they may believe, and faith is only the act of receving the proffered gift.
---Luke on 3/19/14


I think the original question muddles two very key elements:
merit and access

Nothing that man does or doesn't do can change the merits of Christ's work on the cross. It is purely by the grace of God that Christ died for the sins of the world

But we access this grace through faith.

Can a lack of faith undo His work? Hardly.

Can a lack of faith keep one from accessing eternal life in Christ? Absolutely
---James_L on 3/18/14


Matthew 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

"There is nothing between sinners and eternal happiness, but their proud and unbelieving unwillingness."
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
---Nana on 3/18/14


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He said how to get there is love, which is impossible while a person is lost. The only way to get there is by the Grace and mercy of God, through faith. No one has the love of God before being saved. "We love Him because He first loved us."

---Luke

Agreed. When the HOLY SPIRIT convicts us of sin and we are drawn to JESUS by His being lifted up. That is the Grace of GOD and His love towards us that saves us.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/14


Dear Samuel, I like your answer when someone is saved already but not how to get there, and that is what he was talking about,

"The truth is the gospel is about the Kingdom of God and how to get there - plain and simple. How to get there is love, genuine love."

He said how to get there is love, which is impossible while a person is lost. The only way to get there is by the Grace and mercy of God, through faith. No one has the love of God before being saved. "We love Him because He first loved us."
---Luke on 3/18/14


Yes that is the basics. The basics of the Gospel is that Jesus died on the cross to save
---Bryan on 3/18/14


Can you explain what you mean? Active love he said. Were you agreeing with him? I do not understand.
Luke

I mean that when a person is saved by Grace that they show active Love for others. If we do not show love then we are not really saved. See First John.

Love of GOD and love of others is the result of being saved. I hope this helps.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14


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Dear Samuel,
//Good points steveng. In Matthew 25 those who followed GOD were divided from those who only thought they were by their actions of love.//

Can you explain what you mean? And how is that similar to what Steven said?
Steven said to not listen to man, then he turns around and gives us how we can get a ticket to heaven. Active love he said. Were you agreeing with him? I do not understand.
Thank you brother
---Luke on 3/16/14


Steven, I hear what you have to say and would like for you to tell us how believers are to preach the gospel. What is the gospel? You have mentioned everyone is wrong, and that Satan has take over all denominations. What is the Truth of the gospel so that we can be right?
---Luke on 3/11/14


trey, understanding and believing by faith who we are before God, is the first order of business concerning salvation. We are sinners who have sinned against God, in great need of a Savior. Without that understanding, there is no use for the good news.
---Luke on 3/7/14


Good points steveng. In Matthew 25 those who followed GOD were divided from those who only thought they were by their actions of love.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/6/14


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Satan has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into over 33,000 different denominations each having their own traditions, rituals, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible.

Instead of listening to man's interpretation of the gospel read the bible. There are many interpretaions of what the gospel is. Some say it's about Jesus, some say it's about salvation and many other personal ideologies.

Why do today's christians make living a christian life so complicated? The truth is the gospel is about the Kingdom of God and how to get there - plain and simple. How to get there is love, genuine love.

Love, active love, is your only ticket to heaven.
---Steveng on 3/5/14


If understanding of what Jesus did (on the cross AND the giving of the divine spirit) for you does not inspire COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING in you, them something is definitely wrong about your devotion.

You do not need to understand all of SCRIPTURE/bible, but you should want to understand His messiahship (on the cross) AND the "living water" of His divine eternal Spirit
---faithforfaith on 3/5/14


So that i am not misunderstood, I should clarify. The line that reads "is for the most part, directed towards that which is, or has been, sensually perceived to be true." Should read, 'is for the most part, misdirected, of man, towards that which is, or has been, sensually perceived to be true.'
---Josef on 3/3/14


Richard, very good point on Scripture interprets Scripture. If one or more passages speaks against another, it is very important to find out which one is not interpreted wrong. In one part we are told in Philippians 1:29 that God grants the believers faith to believe in Him, and 2 Timothy 2:25,26 tells us that God grants that the believer repents and comes to know the truth, that is to know the truth by faith so they can escape from the snare of the devil. So not all man have faith.
---Luke on 3/3/14


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Richard both statements are true. Rom 12:3 Is the innate faith common to man and is for the most part, directed towards that which is, or has been, sensually perceived to be true.
2 Thes 3:2 references saving faith. It is that same faith mentioned above, redirected of the Father in those He has given to yield to the Divine influence of His Spirit, towards the Spiritual reality of His existence and the Truth of His Word.
In other words the first is a "conviction of the truth of anything."
The second is "the conviction that God exists, and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ".
---Josef on 3/3/14


Josef on 3/2/14 - although Father has given to everyone the measure of faith ----------> ?

2 Thessalonians 3:2 - And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for not all men have faith,
---RichardC on 3/2/14


"Eternal salvation is our Fathers gift. However faith is required to receive it. Although Father has given to everyone the measure of faith, the faith that saves, is the faith that is exercised in Him, and comes by understanding, and that understanding comes by the word of God. Eternal life is knowing the one true God, and the Saviour whom He has sent."
Josef on 3/2/14

I agree with your say.
---Nana on 3/2/14


"Is understanding of the gospel a requirement for eternal salvation?" No. Eternal salvation is our Fathers gift. However faith is required to receive it. Although Father has given to everyone the measure of faith, the faith that saves, is the faith that is exercised in Him, and comes by understanding, and that understanding comes by the word of God. Eternal life is knowing the one true God, and the Saviour whom He has sent. Although that knowledge is granted via the Holy Spirit, the gospel, as the written word of God concerning the salvation of man, is the channel through which that inspiration flows.
---Josef on 3/2/14


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I do not believe that my belief in him is what gets me in to heaven. Read Romans 8:28-30, that's what gets us in to heaven. Eph 2:8,9 is pretty good too, trey
The Jailor asked was a Spiritual question since the Apostles had no power to save his life and he knew prisoners had not left.

You deny that JESUS calls or draws everyone, which is what JESUS said in John 3.
Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,...

Notice those who are called become changed to be like JESUS. So a person who does not become like JESUS is lost.

Yes I love Ephesians 2:8,9 since it is Grace which saves us and makes us more like JESUS. It is the result of being Born Again.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/28/14


Sure, that's why you 'have five bibles, a Word Study Bible, and finally to make sure you have the cult's correct interpretation, you go to commentaries of which you have four of them'.

There is not much wiggle room left, even for any a spirit.
Fish has a peculiar odour. Has anyone else noticed it?
---Nana on 2/28/14


Samuelbb, my question is this: Does our eternal salvation really depend up us (man) accepting Christ as our Saviour? If I make a decision to follow Christ or not follow Christ does that change what Christ did?
The Apostle Paul put it this way: Rom3:3 trey

No our belief does not change what JESUS did in dying that all humans on earth might be saved.

It does change whether we are saved or not.

Hbr 3:12

Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

Hbr 3:19
Hbr 4:6

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Hbr 4:11
---Samuelbb7 on 2/28/14


The Bible can be understood by anyone who has reading skills. They are for simple reading in almost all cases and stories. But when the Bible speaks of understanding the word of God, it is speaking of spiritual understanding. People can see and read with their physical skills, but they need the Holy Spirit to understand spiritual things in God's word. Without the Spirit, it is all flesh and the flesh prophets nothing.

"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he who is spiritual judges all things yet he himself is rightly judge by no one" 1 Corinthians 2:14.15.
---Luke on 2/28/14


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"Enjoy Your Reprobation Leon and by a lot of Nomex clothing you are going to need it!!!"
---Blogger9211 on 2/26/14


Loose interpretation: "Go to hell Leon!" One final message for you B9211. REPENT!!!

"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city [place], shake off the dust of your feet." (Matt. 10:14, KJV)
---Leon on 2/27/14


Hebrews 2:1_4 "Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward,
How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him,
God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

Matthew 1:21, Hebrews 2:18.
faith...
---Nana on 2/26/14


Samuelbb, my question is this: Does our eternal salvation really depend up us (man) accepting Christ as our Saviour? If I make a decision to follow Christ or not follow Christ does that change what Christ did?
The Apostle Paul put it this way:
Rom3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

It is my belief based upon the biblical teaching of the Eternal Covenant that we cannot change our eternal destination.
---trey on 2/26/14


Enjoy Your Reprobation Leon and by a lot of Nomex clothing you are going to need it!!!
---Blogger9211 on 2/26/14


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Enjoy Your Reprobation Leon and by a lot of Nomex clothing you are going to need it!!!
---Blogger9211 on 2/26/14


Sammuelbb, please note that the jailor you referenced was about to kill himself. When he asked Paul, "What must I do to be saved." he was speaking of being saved from death at the hands of the Romans which was the penalty for a jailor that allowed prisoners to escape. The Romans would first make the jailor watch as they killed his family. That's why Paul assures him that his family would also be saved.

Please do not get me wrong, I believe that believing is Christ and following him is a good thing. I do not believe that my belief in him is what gets me in to heaven. Read Romans 8:28-30, that's what gets us in to heaven. Eph 2:8 & 9 is pretty good too,
---trey on 2/26/14


Well trey you seemed that you want certain exact words before you accept the Bible truth. But let the Bible answer the true question.

The Roman Jailor asked:
Act 16:30

And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

This is the Apostles give.

Act 16:31

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Believe is similar to accept.
Again as I have pointed before John 3 the whole chapter speaks of GOD's salvation to all and JESUS calling all. Unless you rewrite the verses.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/26/14


Trey, what you ask is very simple. What I am wondering now is how can you not believe In Salvation. The King James Bible is 12th grade reading. acts 2:21, acts 16:31,Titus 3:5.
---shira4368 on 2/26/14


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There is none who understands, there is none who seek after God, Romans 3:11 tells us. If a person does not understand or seek God there is no possible way he can accept Christ as his Savior. He has to be made able to seek God. And that is the work of God in the sinner and that work God in the believer is mentioned in John 6:29 and Eph. 2:10. "while he is dead in trespasses and sins, God makes them alive" Ehp. 2:1, God enables them by granting them faith and repentance Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 2:25,26.
---Luke on 2/26/14


Shira, you did not answer my question. You simply gave me an ambiguous answer. Let me ask again:

Where in the scriptures is salvation offered to man? Where in the scriptures are we told to accept Christ as our personal Saviour?

I am not trying to be a smarty, I'm simply asking the question.
---trey on 2/25/14


Understanding the gospel does not save anyone, the grace of God saves sinners. After God bestows that grace on a sinner, he then believes by faith in the gospel, repents and with his mouth acknowledges Jesus as Savior and most of all as Lord of his life.
---Luke on 2/25/14


for anyone who thinks all flesh shall be saved is totally fooled. Someone better get rid of their nsv Or whatever it was and learn the only way to heaven is thru the blood of Jesus Christ.
---shira4368 on 2/25/14


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This is FROM THE RSV...

"ALL FLESH shall SEE salvation...".
and
"not all flesh is alike..."
"Jesus came FOR THE SICK..." (they have need of a physician).

...ARE YOU SICK?...(are you a rogue/demon and anti-life?).

If you know what right and wrong is and are TRULY civil, then you are NOT "SICK" (but typically, many human beings ARE SICK).

In scripture, Jesus told a person that their lifestyle beliefs/character and attitudes had saved them (this is our SAVIOR speaking).

He said "Your FAITH has saved you". He didn't say LET MY BLOOD SAVE YOU (because HIS BLOOD had already done it's/His work)...."It is the spirit that gives LIFE".
---faithforfaith on 2/25/14


Zerwiki or Zerwik, could you be trying to say Zwingli?
Take your time writing as you just stated "taking the time to prepare".
---Nana on 2/25/14


I repeat, you are a false prophet B9211.

(2 Timothy 3:5-7, KJV)

5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."


You need to repent!!!
---Leon on 2/25/14


Re: 1.hear,believeRom.10,13,vs.14.
2.Faith - Rom.10:17.Lk.11:3,4.

3.Repentance.Mt.16:26,Mt.18:3,4.
4.Salvation. Luke13:3, Acts3:19, John3:16, You must believe on JesusChrist John1:12 Rom.10:13

As a beginner you do not know all the
gospel.

You know you need a Saviour, in short - 2Tim.15. You should get acquianted ( know the gospel)if you going in believe in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Mt.28:18,19,20.( which is good for every christian) share the gospel of JesusChrist.

Love of Jesus! Lidia4796
---Lidia4796 on 2/24/14


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Leon, none of your citations of single lines from of scripture from John Ch 17 contradict what I have written. You do not seem to understand the reformed theology of Martin Luther and Zerwiki the founders of Protestantism. Martin Luther threw the book of Revelation out of the New Testament, Zerwik expelled the Anabaptist from Protestantism if you do not believe in infant baptism you cannot be a Protestant.

Leon, when you attempt to take scripture out of its surrounding context it becomes a pretext for false teaching regrettably some of the worst offenders are pastors attempting to write a quick sermon instead of taking the time to prepare a sermon correctly.
---Blogger9211 on 2/25/14


trey, the New Testament is full of "eternal" life. how can the saved
not be co-heirs with Jeses? what do you think happens to the saved at death?
---shira4368 on 2/25/14


Jhn 3:15-17

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

Those who write where does it say and their theory of picked millions of years ago. Need to read all of John 3. Because they will need to rewrite these passages. They must change whosoever to the chosen. And love the world to only loves a few. As well as many more changes.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/25/14


"The only way one was Saved was to have YHWH pick you billions of years ago before He started the creation process to be adopted children and a member of YHWH's family with Christ as your brother. Salvation was by YHWH's invitation only. Anyone to ever live was selected then as God had total knowledge of all actions and inactions anyone would ever take. Christ died for only the salvation of the Elect that YHWH gave him. It is all explained in John Chapter 17."
---Blogger9211 on 2/24/14


You are a false prophet B9211.

John 17:1-5, Jesus prayed to be glorified. John 17:6-19, Jesus prayed for His disciples. John 17:20-26, Jesus prayed for all believers in Him.
---Leon on 2/24/14


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F for F, Easy for you, living in the land of plenty:
Psl.23 (I shall not want) does not apply to the 30,000 children who die each day of hunger related causes!
Is 23rd Psl. literal or figurative?
---1st_cliff on 2/24/14


The only way one was Saved was to have YHWH pick you billions of years ago before He started the creation process to be adopted children and a member of YHWH's family with Christ as your brother. Salvation was by YHWH's invitation only. Anyone to ever live was selected then as God had total knowledge of all actions and inactions anyone would ever take. Christ died for only the salvation of the Elect that YHWH gave him. It is all explained in John Chapter 17.
---Blogger9211 on 2/24/14


Where in the scriptures are we offered salvation and where are we told we must accept Christ in order to obtain eternal salvation?
---trey on 2/24/14


There is only ONE requirement for salvation and that is to accept Christ as a personal Savior. While you want to read and study the Bible as much as possible for Christian growth, it's NOT a requirement for salvation.
---wivv on 2/24/14


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To say that understanding fully ANYTHING about how God works before we can be saved is gnosticism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/24/14


The only "UNDERSTANDING" that is absolutely necessary for salvation is how to worship with "acceptable worship". The "WORKS OF GOD" have been DONE/ACCOMPLISHED by GOD and have already occurred (we cannot add any effectiveness to to them by using "prayer"/ritual, knowledge/understanding or any of OUR WORKS/effort, etc.).

"ACCEPTABLE" worship is that we should TRUST (true "faith") and honor Him as being a good God, Hebrews 11:26). We should also let HIM make the decisions of what we should have (instead of ASK Him for what WE decide He should give us (Psalm 23 "I shall not WANT").

We should let what He gives us GRACIOUSLY be SUFFICIENT.
---faithforfaith on 2/24/14


But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees IN SECRET/PRIVATE will reward you.


Matthew 6:8 "DO NOT BE LIKE THEM, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him".

Correct/right "WORSHIP"/devotion will happen 24/7 constant with TRUST attitude thoughts, conscience feelings/living water spirit/character.
---faithforfaith on 2/24/14


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