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What do you think about christian leaders in a northern Syrian city having signed a submission document this week banning them from practicing Christianity in public in return for protection by their Islamist rulers.

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Someone else here said that "They" were watching us through flat screen TVs. (She never explained who is "they".)

\\Do you think the government is tapping people's cell phones? I asked nothing about YOUR cell phone.\\

Government at all levels has been tapping phones since the days of J. Edgar Hoover. Didn't you know that?

It's not just cell phones. It is land lines, too.

Of course, gathering metadata is not the same thing as tapping an actual phone call, but maybe you can't tell the difference.

The malevolent, ubiquitous, anonymous, and omnipotent THEY would soon get bored were I the object of THEIR scrutiny.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/14


Cluny, since most TV sets don't have camera, microphone, or transmission capabilities, I would assume the government is probably not spying on people through their TV sets. Although with their proven track record of abusing their power, I wouldn't put it past them if they had that ability.

Now please answer the question I asked you. Do you think the government is tapping people's cell phones? I asked nothing about YOUR cell phone.
---Stan on 3/14/14


\\Cluny, do you think the NSA is tapping into people's cell phones?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Stan on 3/13/14\\

Stan, do you think the government is spying on you through your TV set?

My cell phone is OFF unless I'm out of the house, and it doesn't have GPS on it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14


Elder:

It's physically impossible to hack a powered off computer (like talking to a dead person).

However, "off" could mean sleeping or hibernating, that are more like sleeping peipoe. It's even easier when all the computers themselves are off, but the main server (that is the one that ACTUALLY has the grades on it) is running 24/7.

You similarly can't hack a phone that's off, although those also have different levels of "off". Pull the battery out to make sure.

In communist Russia, people learned a trick to stop eavesdropping. KGB could tap phones even if hung up, but NOT while dialing - so they would jam a pencil into the dial to stop them.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/14


\\Ugh... how do updates, time changes, messages and notification alarms sound on some computers when they are turned off? \\

There's a difference between being turned off and in sleep mode.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14




"This was all done while the schools computers were shut down."-Elder on 3/13/14
The student computers may have been shut down, but the servers where the information that he hacked was definitely not.
No updates, messaging, or time changes happen when the computer is off.
These all happen when the computer is first turned on or while it is on.
Sleep and hibernation modes, on the other hand, are a different story.
---micha9344 on 3/14/14


"Besides, if your computer is turned off, or folded shut (for lap tops) how can the camera be hacked by someone else?"

Ugh... how do updates, time changes, messages and notification alarms sound on some computers when they are turned off?

I've had my PC hacked. I know a 12 year old who hacked his schools system when it was shut down and changed everyone grades.

He had all of the girls passing and all of the boys failing. His error, besides the hacking, was he was the only boy with a passing grade.

This was all done while the schools computers were shut down.
---Elder on 3/13/14


stan, protecting yourself is not the same as carrying a gun and disobeying the law. people kill people but that's been said over and over but no one is listning. there will always be guns on the black market. I could prolly buy one today if I tried but I have a 380 and that is sufficient. still, God expects us to protect whats ours.
---shira4368 on 3/13/14


Cluny, do you think the NSA is tapping into people's cell phones?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Stan on 3/13/14


\\ The same man who said "If you don't own a gun, then sell your coat and buy a gun", or something similar. \\

And after that, when St. Peter tried to defend Jesus, He said, "Those who take up the gun shall die by the gun."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14




"It must be terrible to live with your paranoia, Stan."

Yep. You have no idea how horrible it is to have to live as an educated and aware individual. I truly wish I could be as obvlivious as you and experience the ignorant bliss that you enjoy.

"As far as guns, while the Second Amendment says what it says, Someone greater than the Founding Fathers said, "Those who take up the gun shall die by the gun," or something similar."

The same man who said "If you don't own a gun, then sell your coat and buy a gun", or something similar. Protecting your loved ones is not the same as living by the sword.
---Stan on 3/13/14


Stan, do you think the government is watching you through your TV set?

That's what Lidia claimed.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/14


\\As Cluny suggests, the government is not out to get you.\\

It must be terrible to live with your paranoia, Stan.

My Bible says that government is not a terror to good works, but to evil ones.

As far as guns, while the Second Amendment says what it says, Someone greater than the Founding Fathers said, "Those who take up the gun shall die by the gun," or something similar.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/14


I don't have a camera on my computer. I follow the lead of classic technology.

Besides, if your computer is turned off, or folded shut (for lap tops) how can the camera be hacked by someone else?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/14


As Cluny suggests, the government is not out to get you. The government is here to help! The government loves you. It is totally absurd to think our government would ever do anything other than what is absolutely right and moral. Those in power would NEVER do anything for their own personal gain. Everything they do is for our own good, because they love us so much. How could you ever think the government would do such a thing like imposing on our freedoms? That's just ridiculous! Could NEVER happen, EVER! Now do as Cluny says and drink your cool aid. And don't forget to turn in your guns.
---Stan on 3/11/14


Adetunji: Maybe you're confusing TV with the internet. If you have an uncovered webcam, hackers can view you!
---1st_cliff on 3/10/14


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**Cluny://No one being able to engage in commerce without the mark of the Beast has nothing to do with being observed by invisible people in your TV set.//

I agree.
---Adetunji on 3/9/14**

Then why did you link them?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/10/14


Cluny://No one being able to engage in commerce without the mark of the Beast has nothing to do with being observed by invisible people in your TV set.//

I agree.
---Adetunji on 3/9/14


\\They tell me the TV wall Flat screen..THEY WATCH YOU! \\

Lidia, if you listen to people telling you such tales, stop it, and use more discernment and discretion about to whom you listen.

And in what country do you live?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/14


\\Are you not sensitive to the fact that modern technology will be used by the Antichrist to effect >> "And that no man might buy or sell save he had the mark...Rev.13:17 ?
---Adetunji on 3/8/14\\

No one being able to engage in commerce without the mark of the Beast has nothing to do with being observed by invisible people in your TV set.

Throughout the Gospels, two words are repeated: "Fear not!"

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/14


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Cluny: \\They tell me the TV wall Flat screen..THEY WATCH YOU! \\

Are you not sensitive to the fact that modern technology will be used by the Antichrist to effect >> "And that no man might buy or sell save he had the mark...Rev.13:17 ?
---Adetunji on 3/8/14


Samuel, I totally agree with your last post.

Why are Christains, who are seated with Christ in heavenly places in Christ high above powers and principalities of this present evil world! who have been translated out of this present evil world so earthly minded to begin with.

It just shows the true carnality of so many calling themselves Christians, thinking they are going to change the world FOR Jesus Christ, when in fact scripture teaches no such thing.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/14


Yes,Shira4368, You are right.I tell you I have been through alot, yes! I agree 100% plus we live in a weird time,but like Bro.Samuell7 yes! He is exactly right too.. the Bible already tells us all this is set and the whole Book lets us know.Honestly, I say yes, it really true, millions of feelings, the city where the clinic was they had a lot of problems, protests,up.risings ( NOT from those middle eastern people) Out siders!

other religions coming in and insulting them. Avoid' get caught up in some histeria .
So, I did what I felt best at the time. It's a "hot bed "there...trouble so,Cluny can get it.

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 3/7/14


\\cluny, why don't you go jump off the bay bridge. now Im telling you, leave me out of your stupid, putrid remarks. really, if you jumped off the bridge, you wouldn't be miserable or hateful anymore. Im not the only one who knows how miserable you are. you can't even stand yourself.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14\\

I weep for you, shira.

How many other people have you told to kill themselves?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/14


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lidia, you are right to be worried. we should not trust anyone we don't know but on the otherhand the ones we have known for years can't be trusted either. Im not going to let it keep me from doing what I want to do. I would have approached the kid with the camera and ask him what he was taking your photo for. I would also approach his mother or whoever he was with. at least the whole room would know. don't be intimidated by middle easterners. stand up for yourself. we both know the end is near. everything is coming together for the end times.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14


Yes we could face persecution of in the United States soon. Yes there is a huge invasion of privacy going on.

But the problem I have is always blaming Muslims for all the problems. The people who are invading our privacy are not Muslims. They are using them as an excuse to invade everyone privacy.

The Bible speaks of the antichrist coming. All except true Christians even Muslims will accept him. But it only by the Bible that we can know the truth.

Today there are many little antichrists. But we need to be looking to JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/14


\\They tell me the TV wall Flat screen..THEY WATCH YOU! \\

Who is "they", Lidia?

And whoever "they" might be, "they" will get awfully bored if "they" watch me.

Lidia, the gobbuluns are NOT out to git us. It must be terrible to live with such fear.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/14


TO Cluny We have lost freedoms.the gov't is in your fon, your computer, you in about another 2 years ( No More a land line phones In USA..That will be ended.) They tell me the TV wall Flat screen..THEY WATCH YOU!
Must insert your address in the TV.. We could on and on you are searched yes,planes...public buildings..esp. if you pay child support they make the men take off shoes belts..

just this week I am try to get help..for see a psch. Doctor they told me I can not go to another doctor! If I try to go to.see another Dr I will be refused treatment in this state. .

We could go on and on...Shira4368, thankyou..I thought I had answered but, guess not sufficient. Ok.let me try again.
---Lidia4796 on 3/7/14


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We are all subject to no.privacy..
It'wrong. I have gone to the doctor in a middle eastern neighborhood mind my own business..
I noticed a few times, a small child had his cell fon over and over seated in the office, he was talking MY picture over and over. Nobody said nothing! Why was he doing it? Just to me and NO one else?
He must have been taught to.do.that! There were only me and the rest of the people were middle eastern people. Nothing against them but then why? Was he only snapping my face??
I got up and left. He is a child I can not say anything to.bring problems.
I never went bk.
---Lidia4796 on 3/7/14


no cluny, you are wrong about lidia. I am supporting her as always. she will answer you but your remark was just bait for me. lidia, sweet friend, please answer cluny.
---shira4368 on 3/6/14


To the question, "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."
What should be expected of them, to die as martyrs?
Ecclesiastes 7:16_18 "Be not righteous over much, neither make thyself over wise: why shouldest thou destroy thyself?
Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time?
It is good that thou shouldest take hold of this, yea, also from this withdraw not thine hand: for he that feareth God shall come forth of them all."
---Nana on 3/6/14


\\cluny, I will answer for lidia\\

Please don't bother.

I asked Lidia, not you, shira. Please don't put in your oar.

It's insulting to her for you to imply she cannot explain herself.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/14


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cluny, I will answer for lidia. you have to go thru unending searches to board an airplane. you can't carry some needed items on board. another is we are "watched" by big brother to see if we are members of a terriorist group. you are filmed doing nothing but at times it can appear you are breaking the law. Washington is draining the working class citizens of their savings and giving to the lazy. American entertains muslims above Christians. oh cluny, there is more. Ill stop now.
---shira4368 on 3/6/14


Thank you for clarifying your post, Lidia.

Can you say exactly WHAT freedoms we no longer have since 2001, please?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/14


Well,Now I rested some Cluny basic what I am saying bring it to the forefront The freedoms we once had in the USA are NO more, since the HORRIBLE ATTACK 2001..

We are under siege like all other countries.. the fact that what a dmall few band of people have changed the whole country USA we live in...

The time is winding up!
Our belief here we were dicussing the muslims want full control..worldwide. be blessed Bro.Cluny

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 3/6/14


\\Cluny://What do these passages from your posts mean in English, Lidia? They make no sense as written//

CLUNY please be more civil. By God's design not every one has the privilege of the same background. If you do not understand a comment, you may overlook it, others who understand will respond to it.
---Adetunji on 3/5/14\\

OK. English is not Lidia's first language, as she has explained.

But these posts make no sense whatsoever. "Crystal blue thoughts sleep furiously," is an English sentence, but it conveys no more meaning than Lidia's words here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/5/14


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"Forasmuch as you, Mrs. Hutchinson, have highly transgressed and offended ... and troubled the Church with your Errors and have drawen away many a poor soule, and have upheld your Revelations, and forasmuch as you have made a Lye ... Therefor in the name of our Lord Je[sus] Ch[rist] ... I doe cast you out and ... deliver you up to Sathan ... and account you from this time forth to be a Hethen and a Publican ... I command you in the name of Ch[
] Je[sus] and of this Church as a Leper to withdraw your selfe out of the Congregation."

Mrs Hutchinson believed in GRACE plus nothing. And this is what the legalistic Calvinists said and did to her. Can you believe it....we STILL see this mentality going on today...even here in CN.
---kathr4453 on 3/5/14


lidia, I heard myself talking on a video and I ask my husband who that twangy voice belong to and he looked at me and said "you". I just tucked my tail and disappeared. we are very twangy down here in the south. went to Boston once and the clerk was making fun of my accent so I poured it on. I really gave her something to laugh at. I was asking for feen-a-mint.
---shira4368 on 3/5/14


In those colonies, the civil government dealt harshly with religious dissenters, exiling the likes of Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams for their outspoken criticism of Puritanism, and whipping Baptists or cropping the ears of Quakers for their determined efforts to proselytize. Official persecution reached its peak between 1659 and 1661, when Massachusetts Bays Puritan magistrates hung four Quaker missionaries.

Those who did not challenge the authority of the Puritans directly were left unmolested and were not legally punished for their heretical beliefs.


YEA FOR FREEDOM!!!
---kathr4453 on 3/5/14


Hello,Thankyou All respect to you Bro.Adetunji may God grace always be for you. Cluny knows my language is Spanish & Portuquese ,apart from try learn yoruba.
smile..Bro.Cluny
If you go out Usa most people speak and understand at least 2 or 3 languages. I am not illiterate, but yes,I have a southern twang
my step dad's family and all the people where I lived since my late mom took ill..they were from the south. We are all the same, you got your way talking,we are no less beneath nor below.
Not in pain..thank God for a change
Praise Jesus!

,) today I am.happy.
Be nice..
Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 3/5/14


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Cluny://What do these passages from your posts mean in English, Lidia? They make no sense as written//

CLUNY please be more civil. By God's design not every one has the privilege of the same background. If you do not understand a comment, you may overlook it, others who understand will respond to it.
---Adetunji on 3/5/14


\\Let me bring it down to " brass!" If I may with utmost respect 2001.. Changed everything in America... the begiinning of CHANGE OF nearly Almost Everything..some took for granted...many freedoms we all loved,cherished,respect etc \\

Elsewhere:

**( until like now) gov't in your fon,cpr...Probably USA and maybe Sweden or maybe France...sort of liberal.**

What do these passages from your posts mean in English, Lidia? They make no sense as written.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/5/14


Let me bring it down to " brass!" If I may with utmost respect 2001.. Changed everything in America... the begiinning of CHANGE OF nearly Almost Everything..some took for granted...many freedoms we all loved,cherished,respect etc ..
I am to listen to.you all.
Thankyou,moderator!

Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 3/4/14


Hello,everyone, I respect all here, my issue( I am having a hard time) In the sense that
HOW come other religions
( cults, religions,sects) How Come they DO not respect the Basic Religion like Christianity for WHEN for example
YOU think IF I went over to say some country...
Started saying "well, I am going to do what ever I want...hey,I am a Christian!" They may even Lock me up! Throw away the Key!!

What other country allows you TO PRACTICE what ever you like? Gives you Free money to Run your set up? Not really knowing What your Real Motives ARE OR NOT??
( until like now) gov't in your fon,cpr...Probably USA and maybe Sweden or maybe France...sort of liberal.
I have heard.. could be error.
---Lidia4796 on 3/4/14


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Hello,Shira4368, all respect I agree..we are too,complacent,quiet..
all my neighbors married to muslim husbands tell me their mate tells them.THE GOAL MAKE all peoples
Worldwide MUST becomeMUSLIM


Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 3/4/14


As absurd as that restraining act may look on Christianity in Syria, I am convinced that it will not be able to stop the move and plans of God in that region of the earth.
---Adetunji on 3/4/14


But even Paul knew it was time to get out of Dodge. I cannot say for this event, or speak to specifically for them but it is a matter of effectiveness.
---Scott1 on 3/4/14


amen micha, you are so right. muslims will get rid of anyone who is not a muslim or who does not conform to islam. that is not a level playing field. Christians need to be more aggressive and loud. right now we are too quiet and submissive, including me.
---shira4368 on 3/3/14


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\\There are restraints that a Christian-based country has put on all men. They are found in the 10 Commandments.\\

There are only three of the 10 Commandments that have any legal force: the laws against theft, murder, slander, and perjury.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/14


"Our Constitution allows for all religions to practice freely."-Grandma on 3/3/14
This is a false statement.
Prime example: If Muslims were to exercise their religion freely, it would mean that Christians and others would not be able.
There are restraints that a Christian-based country has put on all men. They are found in the 10 Commandments.
Even the inalienable rights endowed by our Creator are subject to these 10.
A person's "pursuit of happiness" must not infringe on that of others (life, possession, name). This includes the One True and Living God.
When the founding fathers wrote "freedom of religion", they meant more on a denominational basis, rather than any other.
---micha9344 on 3/3/14


Steveng, can you tell me where I can find more information about this, please?

(My attention of late has been focussed on the crisis in Ukraine.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/14


So much of modern Christianity has stopped being Christian. On one you tube video a girl said she wanted to be a Muslim because they upheld moral standards.

We need to be spreading the Gospel and living for JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/14


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This could happen anywhere in time because muslims are intent on taking over the world. That is there sole purpose in moving in (and multiplying quickly) all over the world. They are particularly keen on multiplying in 'once' Christian countries. Christianity is what they are most keen on destroying.
---Rita_H on 3/3/14


Mod is right. That is life in that part of our world.

I'm not sure why our country is even mentioned. Our Constitution allows for all religions to practice freely. What always concerns me is how some believers seem to think that means other religions shouldn't fight for their 1st Amendment rights.
---Grandma on 3/3/14


Moderator, and you think it cannot happen in the United States?
---Steveng on 3/2/14


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