Suffer For Christ
I read this verse this morning:
Php1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake,
After reading this verse I wanted to ask you. "Do you ever feel like you suffer for Christ's sake?"
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---trey on 3/3/14
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Dear Richard, this site is wonderful for one brother to help another. There is complicated passages, because we do not all get the same light on every single passage. God works on us differently. But that is what the Church does, edify each other. In churches pastors are helping, in small prayer groups, those who lead help the others who are not as mature as the leaders. All for the glory of God. Agape brother.
---Luke on 3/29/14|
Luke - Am always rechecking words and verses - Going though the Bible is endless, One verse can lead you into five more, Not always sure I got thing 100% right- but this site is a good place to put down thoughts or verses and get a feed back,
---RichardC on 3/26/14|
Dear Richard, I have noticed that most of the things you write I am in agreement. Though we look at things from different points of view and different teachers. Right now I am reading concerning the two wills of God concerning man in the Bible, which is very interesting, agape
---Luke on 3/24/14|
Here is ANOTHER ASPECT of suffering, having nothing to do with being persecuted for the sake of the gospel. The painful blow of the cross to our old man is most painful indeed.
1 Peter 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin,
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.
This one is the one conforming us to his death....Philippians 3
---kathr4453 on 3/22/14|
Trey: The meaning of "suffer for Christ's sake" that comes straight to my mind is, " suffering persecution for doing Christ's will ". It is not that He causes us to suffer by design but that those who hates the truth & righteousness will do their best to frustrate anyone trying to practise it close to them.
---Adetunji on 3/21/14|
Luke - Am in total agreement with you - God is in control of every thing - He does not sin - but permits it - Example -
Genesis 50:20 - But as for you ye thought evil against me: but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass,as it is this day , to save much people alive,
Now God does cause hard ship in peoples lives, Why ? I think it just the part of Gods big plan, and we can't even fathom it, - Example -
Amos 3:6 - Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in the city, and the Lord hath not done it ?
( Now in this case the word evil has to do with calamity )
---RichardC on 3/20/14|
Bother Richard, you are on the right track. You explained one side of God. Let me explain,
Apostle John tells us that Old Testament prophecies of events surrounding the death of Jesus involves sin. God intends to bring about events that involve things He forbids. Judas betrayal, John 13:18: Ps. 41:9, the hatred Jesus received from his enemies, John 15:25: Ps. 69:4, the casting of lots for Jesus clothing John 19:24:Ps. 22:18, and the piercing of Jesus side John 19:36,37: Ps. 34:20.
"These things took place that the Scriptures might be fulfilled" John 19:36.
This was but a plan God purposed to bring about.
We must distinguish between what God would like to see happen and what He actually does will to happen.
---Luke on 3/20/14|
Dear Richard, God does allow man to suffer, for many reasons. But He does not do it Himself. He allows man to get deep into their sin, for a reason. He commands many things to happen, but He does not do it Himself. If He wanted He could do the work Himself, but doesn't. All He had to do was speak and whatever He said would happen. That was my point. The suffering talked about in Scripture most of the time in the New Testament is about suffering for Christ. Agape brother Richard, good points you gave.
---Luke on 3/19/14|
luke 3/12/14 - on 3/12/14 - God does not make anyone suffering this Life - ? ----------> JOB
1 Samuel 16:14 - But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a evil Spirit from the Lord trouble him,
Judges 9:23 - Then God sent an evil Spirit between Ablimelech and the men of Shechem , and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech.
Jeremiah 32:42 -For thus saith the lord : Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, So will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.
---RichardC on 3/16/14|
God does not make anyone suffer in this life, but He will make many suffer in hell. People today suffer for many reasons. The suffering mentioned in the Bible is suffering for Christ. Suffering persecution for the cause of Christ.
It does not mean we suffer physical problems for Christ. Those come because we are dying and will die one day. Our bodies are decaying everyday, some more then others, some at a younger age then others.
---Luke on 3/12/14|
kathr4453 on 3/6/14 Excellent response to this inquiry.
---Josef on 3/9/14|
Suffering is not just physical sufferings. The testing of our faith takes the whole of , mind, soul and will. Just look at Elijah, when he confronted Jezebel, leaving exhausted and probably scared, wanted to die. Moses suffered, but I don't see where physical, but again, that incredible endurance to stay the course and endure. Being lied about , defamed, persecuted, harassed etc, is suffering Paul describes in 1 Corin ch 4 AND 2 Corin ch 4.
Then there is the suffering that takes place daily in our lives dying to self, that comes via the Holy Spirit mortifying the deeds of the flesh.
The poem "IF" to me shows someone who has taken that journey of a child to man and has come through victorious. Not here, but IN Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/14|
I think most of my suffering during my life was self inflicted that christ brought me through and changed the self destructive habits of my mind.
I have never consciously suffered bodily for christ. However, there are powers that are in war and I am sure there are some spiritual repercussions (manifested physically in this world) for siding with what i know and don't know of jesus christ.
---aka on 3/6/14|
I am sorry to hear about your Uncle. But it is good He stood up for JESUS.
I have lost some jobs because I refused to comprise my ethics. But not real persecution.
I will say a pray for you. Illness is really hard on a person. I know from my wife. Keep your eyes on JESUS.
GOD loves you. Peace to you.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/6/14|
I think what 1st cliff was referring to! was self inflicted self sanctification also called works of the flesh. This kind of suffering, taking vows of poverty, silence, flogging themselves have no idea whatsoever what true sanctification is that comes only to those who are IN Christ. Stephen was stoned simply for speaking the truth. The Legalist murdered him, having no spiritual understanding whatsoever of truth.
Darkness hates the light, and uses any form of violence to put out the light. Anne Hutchinson was one such person who simply believed we walk in the spirit not in the flesh, was HATED cursed and driven away by the so called Christains who are said to have founded America.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/14|
//There are religions that teach the more you suffer in this life ,the more you will be rewarded in the next!//
"Blessed are you when men hate you, and when they exclude you, and revile you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of Man's sake.
Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, for indeed your reward is great in heaven, For in like manner their fathers did to the prophets" Luke 6:22,23.
---Luke on 3/6/14|
All the Apostles, prophets OT Moses as we are told in Hebrews 11 and Christians through out history also stated in Hebrews 11. Abel was the first who suffered leading to his murder. Christians all around the world suffer for the faith. Jesus suffered giving us an example of that suffering. So the issue is, you must discern your suffering. Not all suffering is for the sake of the gospel or the fellowship of His sufferings. We suffer for our own choices many times, called chastisement.
Physical suffering due to illness and disease is and has always been in this fallen world and is NOT the fellowship of His suffering, conforming us to his image! but God CAN use it to conform us to His image, just like chastisement does as well.
---kathr4453 on 3/6/14|
To 1Cliff, all respect - Thankyou, you know I have been so,over whelm by this illness at times,and after trouble with my insurance.
I didn't have an understanding really, you got a point though..usually, the people who spread this doctrine of suffering, certainly not likely to be in my shoes! Eh?
so, starled - that dream..then
You know so much is changing.
Love of Jesus!
---Lidia4796 on 3/5/14|
Lidia, What you had was not a dream but a "nightmare" (bad dream). We as humans are subject to time and circumstance. I personally don't believe God tests people by making them suffer, scripture says "God is love" beating them down is not a loving act. life on earth now is a rocky road, we all need to be aware of dangers and try to avoid them best we can. Blessings Lidia!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/14|
Hello,1st.Cliff, Thankyou - with much respect for bringing this up you know I been really taught both ways..and Here lately, yes have been trying to pray and be led and in my humaness, there is that exact Question ...needs definition and full comprehension for me.I been told
" you may have to suffer, live on the streets..God is going to test you, etc"
I am very ill.
I had dream such a thing about a year or so,that I was homeless..
---Lidia4796 on 3/5/14|
There are religions that teach the more you suffer in this life ,the more you will be rewarded in the next!
A robe and a begging bowl are their only possessions!
---1st_cliff on 3/3/14|
Unless I do something SPECIFICALLY to further anybody's knowledge of THE GOSPEL (as opposed to ALL SCRIPTURE knowledge), I'm doing nothing to further THE WORKS/effectiveness/meaningfulness (significance) of the Creator (there is really nothing to suffer for, unless you like playing a puffed up 'woe is me' martyr/hero).
We must preserve/cause genuine humility in ourselves for true understanding's sake. What was required of JEWISH WORSHIP 2,000 years ago, is not required or even asked of us today. We need to make those distinctions between the OLD requirements and those of the new covenant (the requirements for "TRUE WORSHIPERS", John 4:23).
Live the law that is PERFECT (James 1:25, don't be a "LAWLESS" one).
---faithforfaith on 3/3/14|
Very few here on these blogs actually suffer for Christ's sake.
Most suffer mere social pressure for being obnoxious in His name, which is not the same thing.
The uncle of a person I know was killed by mahometans in his own house in Lebanon for refusing to to convert to mahometanism.
THAT is suffering for Christ's sake.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/3/14|