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Purpose Of Resurrection

If you live on after you die, what's the purpose of a resurrection?

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aka, If you look closely you'll see that I did indeed answer your question, just not the answer you're looking for! FYI God does not breathe life into every newborn, we are born with the ability to breathe! as are all creatures!
---1st_cliff on 3/31/14


Dear Samuel, you are missing one thing as a Christian, your spirit that has been made alive by God. You cannot enter heaven if your spirit is not made alive by God. Luke

I have never said my Spirit was dead. My spirit after I die is asleep and with GOD. Where the Spirits of all people go.

You do not give a single Bible reason that I have not answered and you have failed to respond to a number of Bible verses.

Pray and study. GOD bless and keep you.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/31/14


Paul, discussing the resurrection of the dead, came to the simple conclusion: If there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen (1 Cor. 15:13).
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain (Ver. 14). this leads to another conclusion: If Christ be not raised, your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins. Then they also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished (Vers. 17,18).
If there is no such thing as the bodily resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised from the dead, and if that is the case we have no living Savior.
---michael_e on 3/31/14


1 cliff...Thank you for not answering the question.

No where does it say that God breathes his spirit into most but not some. That's from ancient pagan traditions.
---aka on 3/31/14


//Well actually it's the Spirit of the Life of Christ in you. God said "I will put MY SPIRIT IN YOU" Nothing about rebirthing your spirit.//

The Spirit of God speaks to our spirit.
"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs-heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ," Romans 8:16,17
We are made, (spiritually alive) with Christ.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.." Ephesians 2:4-6.
---Luke on 3/31/14




//OK Luke now define "the Kingdom of heaven"//

How can I define the kingdom of heaven? I have not gone there yet. When I do, I will call you to let you know what it is like. All I know is, that it is mentioned many times in Matthew. Begin in chapter one. Agape.
---Luke on 3/31/14


OK Luke now define "the Kingdom of heaven"
---1st_cliff on 3/30/14


//Luke BCV please that says man is going to enter heaven!
1st_cliff on 3/29/14//

Matthew 5:3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness sake For theirs is the kingdom of heaven"
Matthew 5:19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of this commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven"
Matthew 7: 21 "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven"
And so many more.
---Luke on 3/30/14


Well actually it's the Spirit of the Life of Christ in you. God said "I will put MY SPIRIT IN YOU" Nothing about rebirthing your spirit. We are changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of The Lord. It's the NEW creature in Christ who will share in the NEW creation. Everything that has to to with our first Adam, is crucified with Christ and raised up a NEW creature in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/14


Luke BCV please that says man is going to enter heaven!
---1st_cliff on 3/29/14




Dear Samuel, you are missing one thing as a Christian, your spirit that has been made alive by God. You cannot enter heaven if your spirit is not made alive by God. That is why when Jesus comes at His Second Coming He is coming with His saints, those Christians who had died before the Second coming. They come with Him 1 Thessalonians 3:13
"So that He may establish your hearts (talking to those Christians who will be alive at the second coming) blameless in holiness before our God and father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints"
---Luke on 3/29/14


aka, Holy Spirit is not in "every man", obviously, Hitler? ,Pol Pot? Terrorists?
God began Adam's life as He did all creation, re-generation came from there, God does not breathe life into every living thing one at a time! He told Adam "be fruitful" did He not?
We live by "air"(pneuma) Stop breathing , you die!
---1st_cliff on 3/29/14


Cliff...why would his father have to send his holy spirit power if it is already in every man until death?
---aka on 3/28/14


aka, I dunno ,maybe I'm a little dense here but I don't fully understand your question about a "false witness"!
It's quite plain to me that Jesus knew he was leaving the sheep without a shepherd. He then said the Father would send the Comforter (His Holy Spirit power) to guide them in His absence.
Where is this "false witness" in this scenario?
---1st_cliff on 3/28/14


Cliff...please address my question and not the article 'a' in front of spirit.

I am fine with God is spirit. Instead a God is a spirit.

Please tell me that jesus is not a false messenger.
---aka on 3/28/14


Cliff...the greek word used for holy spirit in John is pneuma.

So, answer the question. If the pneuma from God is the life force that man gives up at death, then why did jesus say that the Father would send his pneuma when he departed?

Is this not false witness from one of God's messengers especially the one who is supposedly Michael the archangel?
---aka on 3/28/14


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1Jo 2:1 ...And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
-Jesus is our Paraclete.
Jhn 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,
"another Paraclete"
"another Force"?
"another Breath"?
"another Living Entity"?
John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come...
"The Pneuma of truth"
"The Force of truth"?
"The Breath of truth"?
"The Living Entity of truth"?
John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit...
"God is a Pneuma"
"God is a Force"?
"God is a Breath"?
"God is a Living Entity"?
---micha9344 on 3/28/14


Luke When did I say the spirit dies? I pointed out that the Spirit of all return to GOD. Yes we will appear at the Second Coming we will be resurrected. You teach we go heaven or hell at death.

The dead come out of the grave, the sea and hell. Explain. Rev.20:13

You have not established that our spirit is its own entity .


The lake of fire and hell are two different places otherwise you could not throw hell into the lake of fire. Hell can and is translated as grave.

In Revelation 16:3 every soul in the sea died. What does that mean?
Yes in the lake of fire there will be torment. But eternal torment is never used in the bible. So where are the wicked given eternal life in the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/28/14


aka, Since you asked, I think what you are referring to is/was the "Paraclete"(Comforter)?
This is "Holy Spirit" not the spirit(pneuma) that man gives up at death!
God "breathed" into Adam's nostrils the (pneuma) of life!
At death he breathed his last breath (pneuma) Saying that it returns to God who gave it does not infer that it contained any psyche or personality!
Even vegetation is a living organism but does not have "personality". Alive because God initiated it by His Spirit (power)
---1st_cliff on 3/28/14


Cliff...I am not dancing this dance again.

May the force be with you.

But let me ask you...

why did jesus say that when he leaves the Father will send his Father's life force (in jesus' name no less)?

Isn't the life force already in man?

doesn't that make jesus a false messenger?
---aka on 3/28/14


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Dear Samuel, the spirit of a believer remains with Christ. The wicked go to condemnation. The Bible describes hell as a place of outer darkness, a lake of fire, a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, a place of eternal torment where the worn doesn't turn or die. These are graphic images of eternal punishment. We know they are symbols, but we find no relief knowing that.
Perhaps the most frightening aspect of hell is its eternality. People can endure the greatest agony if they know it will ultimately stop. But in hell there is no such hope.
---Luke on 3/28/14


aka, **and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it**
Define "spirit" in this text!
---1st_cliff on 3/27/14


Dear Samuel,

your concept that when a Christian dies, his spirit dies also, or else where is it going to be? That is separation from God again. Yet we know the spirit of the saints who die physically goes to be with the Lord,
"For you died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory" Colossians 3:3,4.
"so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints" 1 Thess. 3:13.

The spirit of the believers who die, goes to be with Christ and will come with Him at His Second Coming.
---Luke on 3/27/14


...There's no mysterious thing that sneaks out of the body when we die...cliff

you are right...no mystery at all.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 KJV

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
---aka on 3/27/14


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Dear Luke you have written many points in your last post I agree with. Yes we are born spiritually dead. But all have to have the spirit to be alive. As pointed out before the Spirit of everyone who dies returns to GOD. As pointed out in Genesis at human creation Body and spirit come together to make the Soul.
We are reborn by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT in the New Birth.
But you are not only saying that the Righteous have eternal life. You are saying the wicked never die.
Look up Conditionalism. True we are to worship in Spirit and in truth. Our truth must be from the Bible not from what we feel or tradition.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/27/14


Dear Samuel, everyone has a body a soul and a spirit. When a person is born physically, his spirit is dead because of Adam. He is separated from God. When Jesus Christ was born His spirit was alive to God. He also had a body a soul and a spirit. When He was crucified He gave up His spirit to the Father at the cross.
The spirit is reborn in all believers when the Spirit brings the person to spiritual life together with Christ. That unity never dies or goes to sleep.
But you do not have to believe this if you do not want. But all believers should know that they are not separated from God anymore. The most important fact concerning Christian believers is that we can worship God in spirit and in truth. No ungodly person can do that. Agape.
---Luke on 3/27/14


Luke, The crux of this matter is that you (and many others) believe that there's something inside you that survives death , like soul/spirit ! We are "single" entities (living souls). Our ONLY hope in future life is to be "resurrected"!
There's no mysterious thing that sneaks out of the body when we die, this is a pagan concept in all religions except true Christianity!
God said "I put before you ,life and death, choose life that you may live"
---1st_cliff on 3/26/14


Thank you cliff good point.

Dear Luke

You missed the point of my argument. You are indeed talking about the main point of the verse in I Cor. 15. What I was pointing out is that your teaching it does not matter if JESUS rose. Since there is no real death for anyone.

Cliff answered your second point.

As I pointed out earlier our spirit does not die. But we are asleep as mentioned in the passage and other passages. As I pointed earlier all Spirits return to GOD. Eccl. 3:21 12:7

So you have not argued for an immortal soul. Why?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/14


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Cliff, what you are not mentioning is the spirit of man. It is completely out of your quotes.
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved) and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.." Ephesians 2:4-6.
Believers are made spiritually alive together with Christ. Our spirit is alive together with Christ forever. It is made alive by the Spirit of God. And no where are we told it will die at our physical death. Hope that helps you, if not, I am sorry, I tried, agape
---Luke on 3/26/14


luke, You need to get something straight here!
The bible does not talk about "dead bodies" .
Dead people! Nowhere in scripture does it say "resurrection of the body"
When your body is dead ,you're dead, 'till Christ resurrects you! There are no such things as "ghosts!"
---1st_cliff on 3/25/14


//1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.//

Dear Samuel, this is an argument, not a fact, because if Christ has not risen, the dead do not rise. And if Christ has not risen, your faith is futile, you are still in your sins. Then also those who have fallen asleep (died) in Christ have perished. That is only if Christ had not risen. Very bad interpretation.
Second:

//Psa 115:17
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.//

Of course the dead bodies praise no one. But the spirit of those dead bodies never died if they were born of the Spirit they are with the Lord and can never die Jesus told us that. Also Ephesians 2:4-6.
---Luke on 3/25/14


Dear Trey why is the staetment that the dead are asleep a heresy when that is the words the Bible uses?

1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

Now if the dead are alive how could they be perished or cease to exist?

Psa 115:17
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Go to a Bible search engine. look up the dead or sleep and you will find over and over that the Bible uses the word sleep to refer to the dead.

The Sadducces taught that the dead ceased to exist forever.

But Paul and Phariesses taught the resurrection of the dead. Not the unkillable soul.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/14


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1Co 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other [grain]:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
--There is that which keeps existing from the seed to the plant, from the natural to the spiritual.
The seed dies, but from within does the plant sprout forth.
John 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly things?
---micha9344 on 3/24/14


Luke, The real question is, do you keep living after your body dies or do you remain dead waiting for a resurrection?
Nowhere in scripture does it say "resurrection of the body", Jesus said " the dead" will be raised (not dead bodies)
People on here erroneously believe that one is alive between death and resurrection!!
Scripture does not support this belief!
---1st_cliff on 3/23/14


//Satan told Eve "You will not surely die" You must believe satan , huh?//

Dear cliff, good morning to you. I believe on the words of Jesus Christ.
"Jesus said to her, "I Am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me though he may die, he shall live." John 11:25.
The norm is that all will die a physical death. But even though we die a physical death, we will live with Christ if we have saving faith in Him. Believe it or not. I take the words of Jesus over the serpent, he is a liar from the beginning.
---Luke on 3/23/14


Luke, **we live after death** is totally ambiguous ! If one lives after death there is no death! Think about it!
Satan told Eve "You will not surely die" You must believe satan , huh?
---1st_cliff on 3/22/14


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Dear Christians, soul sleeping is heresy!

Eccl 9:5 - I hear this quoted all the time. Solomon is teaching that the dead do not know what is happening here on earth while they are in heaven. Thank God! It wouldn't be heaven if my Dad could look down and see me sinning.

Now, the Apostle Paul teaches:
2Co5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
Php1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ, which is far better:
---trey on 3/22/14


Cliff, we live after death for the sole purpose of glorifying God. I just hope people will not want their rights while in heaven, their free will. They will be bored glorifying God all the time.
---Luke on 3/22/14


I went to the store the other day and bought a big bag of potato chips. When I got home and opened the bag it was mainly air. I felt like I didn't get what I paid for....

Christ paid for us, body, soul, and spirit and one day he's coming back for our bodies. Unlike me he is not going to get ripped off!!!

1Cor6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Cor6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
---trey on 3/21/14


And what is spirit, in your opinion?
James.

First when we died our spirit returns to GOD. In Genesis it is translated as Breath of Life. But from other passages we understand it to be the inner us. But without the body it does not think and is unconscious.

The Body and Spirit must be combined for us to truly be us.

For the body, yes. James_L

For us period. The state between death and life is the sleep of death.


Psalms 115:17

The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.



Ecc 9:5

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/14


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"KJV, NKJ, NASB, Amplified and I have five more."
---Samuelbb7

Hmmm. ok. Doesn't help in this case


"...the Body without the spirit is dead. That is part of my point."
---Samuelbb7

Not sure how that helps your point. Explain, please? And what is spirit, in your opinion?



So we are not looking for some bodiless existence but the Resurrection in our new bodies."

---Samuelbb7

I agree, we are meant to have a body. Naked otherwise


"The state inbetween is one that the Bible calls sleep."
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/14

For the body, yes.
---James_L on 3/19/14


Dear Samuel, is it true you do not believe in the resurrection of the dead? I don't understand why you don't. Is this a part of your faith or denomination? I am confused, can you explain?
---Luke on 3/19/14


Dear James I use a number of different translatoin. KJV, NKJ, NASB, Amplified and I have five more.

Yes I agree the Body without the spirit is dead. That is part of my point. Body plus Spirit is a soul. Genesis 2:7 KJV

Yes this body will die. Then our spirit will return to GOD who gave it. Eccl. 12:7

Yes we are looking for our new bodies which is spoken of in 1Cor. 15

So we are not looking for some bodiless existence but the Resurrection in our new bodies.

The state inbetween is one that the Bible calls sleep. Read 1Cor. 15
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/14


"Where does the Bible say that the dead have no bodies?...."
---Samuelbb7

Tell me which translation you use, and I can answer fully.

However, Peter wrote that he would soon put off his body (literally tent - Gr. skenomati) and depart (2Pet 1:13-14).

Obviously his body, because this is the same word used of The Word being made flesh (John 1:14)


Paul spoke of the resurrection in 2Cor 5:1-9, saying that this tent will be torn down (die). That we are at home in the body. That w long to be more fully clothed.

James 2:26 says that the body, without the spirit, is dead
---James_L on 3/18/14


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If you live on after you die, what's the purpose of a resurrection?
---1st_cliff on 3/4/14

Few ever ask a prophet to answer their questions.

Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 3/18/14


Matthew 22:32 - I am the God of Abraham the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

2 Corinthians 5:8 - we are confident , I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to present with the Lord

1 Corinthains 15:44 - It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body, it is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body,
---RichardC on 3/18/14


Dear James

Where does the Bible say that the dead have no bodies? That they are awake?

Why does the Bible say the dead are asleep.


1Co 15:14-18

And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
....

For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
...

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

No Resurrection no life after death.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/18/14


The purpose of the resurrection is so we won't be naked.

we will be clothed again
---James_L on 3/17/14


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It is God's will. Not hard to see why. God gives us chance after chance to be saved. If the whole world was born and died the same day there probably would be no need. (Lol)
God planned it that way.
---shira4368 on 3/17/14


"If you live on after you die, what's the purpose of a resurrection?"
The resurrection is a "re-standing to life", "a rising from the dead".
If man did not die there would be no need for a resurrection.
---joseph on 3/17/14


Dear Kathr

I believe that the question is not about the resurrection of JESUS. But why if we are in heaven or hell at death do we have to come back to earth given a body then sent back to where we already are.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14


Deuteronomy 18:10_13 "There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee. Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God."

Notice the warning against necromancy...
---Nana on 3/12/14


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If you live on after you die, what's the purpose of a resurrection?///

So are you asking why Jesus died and rose again? One must ask FIRST what was the purpose of Jesus death and resurrection.

Without knowing that first you'll never find the true answer.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/14


Dear Trey apparently when you wrote.

Oh, their souls and spirits went to be with God!!!

You did not actually read the verse you posted.

1Thes4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The verse says they sleep in JESUS. Yes you have one verse about a soul departing but other verses which I posted saying it is the spirit.

Now the word translated soul in Genesis 37:18 is also according to Strongs translated as (I.soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion)

How do you get an immortal soul out of that? Also why do you not explain all the verses I posted?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/12/14


Here is what the bible says about death:
Gen35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.
Hmmm...her soul departed. I wonder where it went?

Answer:
1Thes4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Oh, their souls and spirits went to be with God!!!

1Thes5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly, and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
---trey on 3/7/14


Yes Cluny we do not believe a Dead person is alive because they're dead.

We believe what GOD says.


Mat 22:31

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,


Luke 20:35

Jhn 11:25

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:


Act 4:2

Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Act 17:32

And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/14


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\We do not believe this is conscious entity it is the who we are. But without a body it is asleep. \\

A dead body is not asleep, because a sleeping body doesn't decompose.

So an unconscious entity and/or a body that was decomposing heard Jesus say, "Lazarus, come forth!"

Do I understand you properly?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/14


Do I understand you correctly?

Cluny

Yes.

Ecc 3:21

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?


Ecc 12:7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The Spirit of all people returns to GOD who gave life to everyone.


Gen 2:7

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.

The word for breath is the word for spirit. We do not believe this is conscious entity it is the who we are. But without a body it is asleep.

I hope this helps.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/7/14


Ruben, Same old tired arguments , **will never die** serpent told Eve this as a "literal" promise!(like you believe) true meaning is found at Jn.3.16. everlasting life -future!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/14


So did Jesus! What did he mean 'will never die' because we will all die someday.
---Ruben on 3/6/14


\\As the person who died is asleep it is easy for JESUS to wake them.\\

So you do say there is something about the individual that physical death does not extinguish.

Do I understand you correctly?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/14


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You're playing with words, Samuel. I have come to expect better things of you.

Actually, SDAs believe in soul extinction, not soul sleep, from what I can gather.

Cluny

Well thank you for the compliment. I will endeavor to be better.

Soul extinction is never used or understood by us unless you are referring to the wicked being destroyed in hell. The time now when a person dies they go to sleep.

The proper name of the doctrine is CONDITIONALISM.

As the person who died is asleep it is easy for JESUS to wake them.


John 11:11

These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/6/14


\\Because the voice of JESUS woke them from their sleep. When JESUS spoke they were no longer dead so they could hear him. \\

You're playing with words, Samuel. I have come to expect better things of you.

Actually, SDAs believe in soul extinction, not soul sleep, from what I can gather.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/5/14


I was born twice and I will die once(physical). those who are hell bound are born once and die twice. (physical and spiritual)
---shira4368 on 3/5/14


Ruben, Same old tired arguments , **will never die** serpent told Eve this as a "literal" promise!(like you believe) true meaning is found at Jn.3.16. everlasting life -future!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/14


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Samuelbb7 * believes in me WILL NEVER DIE. " (JHN 11:25) Ruben

Yes we will live again after being asleep which is death.

But Jesus said " Will never die" He is not talking about physical death. And again he asks " Do you believe this?"

Samuelbb7 * Read Matthew 22:31,32

Jesus said God is not a God of the dead but of the living , Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, all who die..

Samuelbb7 and please give bible proof.

Rev 6:9-10
1 kings 17:21-22
But read Lk 8:54 slowly please:

" Jesus said " She is not dead but asleep"..My child get up!" " HER SPIRIT RETURNED and at once she stood up. Thus proving that it was separate from her body.
---Ruben on 3/5/14


But the Bible clearly shows there is some consciousness that survives physical death.

Otherwise, how could Lazarus hear Jesus's command to "Come forth? (Also the others.) Cluny

Because the voice of JESUS woke them from their sleep. When JESUS spoke they were no longer dead so they could hear him.



Was Jesus wrong when he said " And whoever lives AND believes in me WILL NEVER DIE. " (JHN 11:25) Ruben

Yes we will live again after being asleep which is death. But GOD is going to resurrect us.
Read Matthew 22:31,32 and please give Bible proof our your points.
agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/14


jerry6593 *The dead do NOT continue to live as disembodied spooks.

In Matthew Gospel 27:52-53 the bodies of many Holy people who had died were raised to life, and appear to many. How were they gather and put back to the grave?


jerry6593* Ecc 9:5 but the dead know not any thing

If the dead know nothing, how was Moses and Elijah talking to Jesus ? (MT 17:3) In the scripture verse you like to use, it also reads " They have no further rewards" (Ecc 9:5) And we are told we shaill received rewards?

jerry6593*

Was Jesus wrong when he said " And whoever lives AND believes in me WILL NEVER DIE. " (JHN 11:25)

" Do you believe this/" -he asks!
---Ruben on 3/5/14


\\ The Bible says the dead are asleep. \\

I didn't say "immortal soul," did I?

But the Bible clearly shows there is some consciousness that survives physical death.

Otherwise, how could Lazarus hear Jesus's command to "Come forth"?

And don't forget the little daughter of the Synagogue president, or the son of the widow of Nain.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/5/14


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1st_cliff://Cluny, The "body" is not resurrected ,this is the erroneous conception.//

Cluny did not say the old human body will be resurrected.
---Adetunji on 3/5/14


Well Cluny you seem to be saying that you have Spiritual understanding and others who disagree with you do not.

I am just going by what the Bible says. The Bible says the dead are asleep.


1Cr 15:18

Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

As you read the Chapter it says that if there is no resurrection from the dead and yes we get brand new bodies then we cease to exist. Or Perish.

So please tell me where the Bible says the dead have immortal souls which GOD cannot destroy.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/5/14


The dead do NOT continue to live as disembodied spooks. They wait in the grave until the resurrection.

Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing

Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.


---jerry6593 on 3/5/14


Cluny, The "body" is not resurrected ,this is the erroneous conception.
Jesus said the "dead" are resurrected not thee body.
Upon resurrection a new body is supplied, not the cancerous, old wrinkled one!
Do you imagine Jesus walked around in His beat up scarred and bruised body after resurrection? Those who knew Him didn't recognize Him ,thinking he was a gardiner!
---1st_cliff on 3/5/14


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There is no contradiction between the continuation of the soul after physical death and bodily resurrection.

The state of the disembodied soul is only temporary. Those with spiritual understanding grasp this.

As we will sing on Pascha,

Christ is risen from the dead,
Trampling down death by death,
And upon those in the tombs bestowing life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/5/14


Purpose of Christ's resurrection:
1Pet1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Our Resurrection:
2Cor4:14 Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
2Cor4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God.

In other words, it is all for the Glory of God.
---trey on 3/4/14


Well that's the thing people ignore...Jesus comes to raise the dead at the ressurection,before that everyone is still in the grave.So for those dead before Christs return,it'll be like a *twinkle in an eye as far as how soon they see Jesus. they have no concept of time whether they died 1,000 years ago or yesterday. however for those still living when Christ returns then we'll be transformed as well where we dont taste death. Our sould are our breath of life as Genisis says. It returns to God. We become a living soul like Adam. hope this helps.
---candice on 3/4/14


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