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Cluny, I only mentioned bay bridge 1 time.. 1time...get it? Why do you continue to tell untruths? As far as votes, you are more helpful than me but guess you need that for self esteem. I don't seek votes from anyone but you made a special point to bring that up.
---shir4368 on 3/15/14


\\Cluny quotes,
"I don't vote for myself."
So you say..\\

And you've never denied you have not.

Is that how you found out you can? Because you did?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/14


\\The same way I knew that Eloy and others were being deleted. \\

Eloy wasn't deleted. He just finally stopped posting, as he promised at one point.

BTW, I was taught that it was rude to point out a lady's age (relatively or exactly). Why did you refer to shira as "aged"?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/14


Cluny quotes,
"I don't vote for myself."
So you say...

"How would you know...."
The same way I knew that Eloy and others were being deleted.
I didnt say the last time Eloy posted. That is your mind at work.

"What happens when people jump off the "bay bride"
They may get wet!

"I'm an old man, too."
You forgot grouchy, insecure in that sentence.

Your quest to be so correct and wise in your own eyes is addressed in Scripture.

Thank you grouchy for your laughable posts you are so abused by a little old woman. You need a big sister to take up for you.
---Elder on 3/15/14


\\ Many people who seek approval, like yourself, do this very thing.
\\

But I don't vote for myself.

How would you know others did this, unless you did it for yourself?

What happens when people jump off the "bay bride", as shira spells it?

And I'm an old man, too.

19 months ago--last time Eloy posted--is not "years."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/14




"In any case, I have 110 votes, and shira4368 has only 57.

Who do you think people find more helpful?" from Cluny.

That statement has to be the SADDEST thing I have EVER seen written on a Christianet blog.
---Rita_H on 3/15/14


bro elder, thank you for the kind words. you are correct, votes don't mean anything to me...not one single little vote. Im not here for popularity like some are. I don't care if I am popular or not. my purpose on christianet is to help others to appreciate the truths of the bible. yea I may be older but I still got it together. I am thankful for each day God gives me.
---shira4368 on 3/15/14


"I have 110 votes, and shira4368 has only 57."
Cluny

So what? I have 161 votes. Do you know what that means? NOTHING! There is a way you can post votes to yourself. Many people who seek approval, like yourself, do this very thing.

"she told me TWICE to jump off a bridge so I'd be out of my misery."

So show us where she said kill yourself. Didn't happen.

You know very little about Eloy plus 2012 to 2014 is years ago. Count'em.

You see Cluny as much as you want it there is no wiggle room for you on this.

Man up and quit bullying an aged Christian woman and show some Glory to Jesus Christ. How many votes do you think He gives your post?
---Elder on 3/15/14


//In any case, I have 110 votes, and shira4368 has only 57.//

Markv has 124, so I guess he is/was more helpful than Cluny.
---Rod4Him on 3/15/14


\\He accused Shira of telling him to kill himself. She has never said any such thing.\\

Actually, I gave her ENTIRE quote of where she told me TWICE to jump off a bridge so I'd be out of my misery.

And I gave it in several places.

\\I think Cluny, like Eloy of years ago, sits in a room doing these things because no one will have anything personal to do with him.\\

You think wrong.

Besides, Eloy is NOT of years ago, His last posting was July of 2012.

In any case, I have 110 votes, and shira4368 has only 57.

Who do you think people find more helpful?

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/14




Stan, there is something else that Cluny does. He takes part of a statement and claims something was said that was not.

He accused Shira of telling him to kill himself. She has never said any such thing.

Thats not the only statement he has done like that.

I and others are grouping him with the like of MarkV, christian, who were banned from this site, and David the JW.

I think Cluny, like Eloy of years ago, sits in a room doing these things because no one will have anything personal to do with him.

He posts these non-truths and then says, "Glory to Jesus Christ." Maybe some reality therapy would help!!

He will burn his bridges and be gone just like the rest of the disemblers.
---Elder on 3/14/14


Yes I do. We're not perfect ,but yes we're organized.
---Candice on 3/14/14


Shira bless your heart I know its been hard. I also realize its hard to let hateful words go unresponded to when you are hurt or fed up with them and perhaps the person too . Yes its true some people won't let one be nice to them. I just pray peace and love can take over here and all of that will stop. God Bless Loveya Darlene
---Darlene_1 on 3/14/14


Darlene, I know all what you say. I know a merry heart is like medicine. I am patient but sometimes it goes too far. I hardly ever let my temper rule me. We are to have temperance in all things. Some people won't let you be nice.
---shira4368 on 3/14/14


I have looked at every single blog I posted and there is nothing about a burr. Cluny, please advise where you got that from.
---shira4368 on 3/14/14


While Cluny may not have told anyone to jump off a bridge, his arrogance and condescending rhetoric is more aggressive and offensive! Cluny has the most un-Christ-like attitude of anyone I have seen in my short time of reading these blogs. He talks down to people. Every post spews insults to other people's intelligence and their faith. It's obvious he thinks himself to be more intelligent than everyone else, while at the same time proving the exact opposite to be true. He attempts to mask his hostility by being indirect, and phrasing his accusations in the form of a question, which he appears to think is a clever display of intelligence. Nonetheless, it doesn't make them any less hostile or hateful.
---Stan on 3/14/14


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Shira dear sister,I'll answer the other blog here since they closed it. You're so welcome and thank you that you have given what Rita and I said consideration to apply it. I will share with you that I am a Pepper Pod inside but God and my Mama helped me learn at an early age not to let that burn in me respond to others who are really being ugly in like manner. I learned to fight with words but words which were calm and pointed out their fault without being angry outwardly while doing it. A peaceful soul is a lot healthier for us than the other way. I think Gods Word, A merry heart does good like a medicine has more applied truth in it than we ever imagined. Loveya Darlene
---Darlene_1 on 3/14/14


Trey, thank you brother and thanks to bro. Elder. I'm an old lady but I'm not sad nor miserably but I am happy almost all the time. I like to have fun and I'm enjoying my life even tho I have progressive lung disease and have other handicaps. Trey and bro elder, I appreciate you both.
---shira4368 on 3/14/14


Jam 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same [is] a perfect man, [and] able also to bridle the whole body
3:8 But the tongue can no man tame, [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
3:13 Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
3:16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.
3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
---micha9344 on 3/14/14


\\ Cluny has a hateful response to Shira on almost every post.\\

Have I told her to jump off a bridge?

Have I told her she would not be miserable any more after that?

Have I said that she's lonely and unhappy and hateful?

Have I told shira that she's a madwoman?

Have I praised God that I don't go to her church?

All these things shira has said to me.

Please be specific about what I have said to shira that's mean.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14


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Shira, just ignore Cluny. He's a sad little old man with nothing better to do than harass God's people. Don't get mad, just have pitty on him.
---trey on 3/14/14


"Shira! I am ashamed! Our duty as Christians is to love our brother, even if he is a horse's behind! What you wrote could even be considered Hate Speech! Repent!
Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
Monk_Brendan

Monk, how come you can write this to Shira and not rebuke Cluny?

It is the man who leads. Cluny has a hateful response to Shira on almost every post.

Now you have supported his behavior do you not see that as "hate activity?"

How come you not see and comment on his post? You should direct your same statement to him also! Or, does he have some sort of pass?
---Elder on 3/13/14


cluny, go look in the mirror and you will see a person who had himself above others intellectually and socially. your circle is out of the realm from others. You just won't stop will you? Now you are showing your intelligence.
---shira4368 on 3/13/14


You're right, shira.

It's impossible for you to have a guilty conscience.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14


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I. Did not say Steven and micha were "after" me. I said they are. On my case.
---shira4368 on 3/12/14


Poor me?? I'm rich because my father is the King I am happy. I am not bitter and Im not hateful. I'm tired of the cutdowns and condescending attitude toward me and others.
---shira4368 on 3/12/14


\\Cluny, sorry, no guilt here. Just pity.
---shira4368 on 3/12/14\\

Apparently for yourself.

Oh, poor me. Steveng and micha are after me.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/14


Cluny, sorry, no guilt here. Just pity.
---shira4368 on 3/12/14


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\\CLUNY, why don't you just be quiet. I got micha and Steven on my case. That should satisfy you somewhat.
---shira4368 on 3/11/14\\

Do I hear the voice of a guilty conscience, shira?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/14


CLUNY, why don't you just be quiet. I got micha and Steven on my case. That should satisfy you somewhat.
---shira4368 on 3/11/14


\\Steven, I have already done that\\

No, shira has never apologized.

She has defended and tried to spin what she wrote, but she never said, "I'm sorry," or similar words.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/14


Shira, you have done your part, if you have done it in humility and fear of the Lord.
Cluny's response has no bearing on your request for forgiveness, nor your forgiveness of his actions.
The Lord is the Judge. He we recompense.
Your forgiveness and willingness to forgive from the heart is what God sees. Everything else is up to Him, to harden one's heart, or to melt it.
Reconciliation takes two, but it is you and God who are reconciled through your actions.
The same can be said of Cluny.
If you both desire that closeness with the Lord your God, then forgiveness is paramount.
Else, one may be closer than the other.
Luke 18:9-14
---micha9344 on 3/11/14


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Steven, I have already done that. he needs to apologize for saying all the nasty things to me. At least I did apologize but all he can do is bring it up over and over again. Now Steven, what else do you want?
---shira4368 on 3/11/14


Hello Darlene1, you know Sister I can remember when the Pentecostal
Church you could not cut your hair & if you had kinky or really tight curly hair like me,you could not get it straighten everything was a sin..
The church where I went,it all sort of changed when the asst.Pastor' wife got b.cancer then she came to the service with a wig...Nobody said nothing. Then later on I came with a wig when I got married. The Pastors daughter got married all kinds of makeup on her wedding day, it ended the code..
He never preach against pants,hair & all that any more...
They were so,strict..a woman could only have her wedding ring on,NO other jewerly.
---Lidia4796 on 3/11/14


shira4368, I think you need to apologize to cluny for such an unchristian and hateful remark - and it is hateful. No matter how he, and others, took it, he took it the way anyone else took it.
---Steveng on 3/10/14


\\You can say what you want. I know me. You don't know me.\\

Back atcha, shira.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/14


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monk, I hate no one. I have never been accused of hate speech. The fact is I meant the opposite of how cluny took it. I didn't know I was talking to a baby. You can say what you want. I know me. You don't know me.
---shira4368 on 3/10/14


Shira said: cluny, why don't you go jump off the bay bridge. now Im telling you, leave me out of your stupid, putrid remarks. really, if you jumped off the bridge, you wouldn't be miserable or hateful anymore. Im not the only one who knows how miserable you are. you can't even stand yourself.

Shira! I am ashamed! Our duty as Christians is to love our brother, even if he is a horse's behind! What you wrote could even be considered Hate Speech! Repent!

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/10/14


By the way, I go to a Melkite Catholic Church, which is an Eastern Church in Communion with but not under the Pope. Our Patriarch lives in Damascus (yes, the one in Syria), and the majority of Melkites in the world are Arabic Christians--as in the people that were there before the Muslims came in and took over the place, in the 8th Century!

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 3/10/14


\\You very first statement was about the orthodox church in the USA. Now you are talking about the Greek archdiocese.\\

The Orthodox Church in America is just one jurisdiction of Orthodox Churches in the United States. I understand why you might be confused by this distinction.

The Greek Archdiocese, under the Ecumenical Patriarchate, is another.

The Romanian Missionary Episcopate is under the Patriarch of Bucharest.

And so it goes with the countless others.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/10/14


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Simone G The verse is 1 Corinthians 11:16,but read 5-16 for the full picture. 16 But if any man seem to be contentious,we have no such custom,neither the churches of God. In the Old Testament when a woman was caught in cheating on her husband her hair was shorn and the verses above 16 remind me of that. We aren't under the OT ordinances now. I hope this helps. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/10/14


9 lyrics.. ..ha ha

Smart phones!
---aka on 3/9/14


Cluny, you are like a goofball at times. You very first statement was about the orthodox church in the USA. Now you are talking about the Greek archdiocese. That wasn't my point anyway.

The orthodox church .... whatever diocese ... is not disorganized and they are not countless as you claim. Their ability to stay organized in this world is not evidence of the spirit like talking in babbly tongues.

The orthodox church is organized, accounted for, and some members of the orthodox church display fruit of the spirit which is the 9 lyrics evidence of the spirit.
---aka on 3/9/14


Darlene there is a black church about a mile from my house. The people are awesome and friendly. Whites go there too. I'm planning to visit one day soon but I've missed going to my own church because of health issues. I've met some of the members and you could not ask for more friendly than they are. Yes Darlene, we are all the same and we worship the same.
---shira4368 on 3/9/14


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\\You didn't even look at your church's financial statements, tax records or IRS Form 990, did you?\\

Did you look at any Orthodox parish's documents like this?

Besides, I'm not a member of an OCA parish.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/14


\\You are practicing self-aggrandizing subterfuge which is not a fruit of the spirit and is not part of the orthodox organization as a whole.
---aka on 3/8/14\\

Do what you KNOW to be your own sins stop you from being a member of your own church, or only what you perceive as being my sins have this effect?

The OCA is not one of the largest Orthodox jurisdictions in this country. The Greek Archdiocese, which is under the Ecumenical Patriarchate, considers the OCA's independence to be uncanonical, that is, against the good order of the Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/14


Cluny What I called clothesline doctrine is just as much and sometimes more as important doctrine as is any of the true doctrine. They don't see any difference in that and all of what Christ taught as the doctrine we should follow. There is nothing social conviction or accepted practices about them, in that type church they are just as important as any of the Bible and they do try to use Bible to justify them but it falls short. Its really sad so much attention is given to the physical and they miss some of the Spiritual. I was blessed to be raised knowing its ok for all races to worship together. The church my grandparents attended exchanged visits with the Black church regularly. Racial hatred is sickening.
---Darlene_1 on 3/8/14


Love, active love, is your ticket to heaven. Steveng on 3/5/14

Steven
Amen!
It's interesting, how many people have been rewarded by God with a joyful experience, in relation to their acts of love, but few connect that experience with Gods Grace.
---David on 3/8/14


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/the countless jurisdictions in the USA./ cluny

cluny, all you have to do is go to the oca website and see the jurisdictions...for which she is well accounted.

/When I say Orthodoxy is disorganized,/ -cluny

You are practicing self-aggrandizing subterfuge which is not a fruit of the spirit and is not part of the orthodox organization as a whole.
---aka on 3/8/14


Cluny: "When I say Orthodoxy is disorganized, I mean we are divided into countless jurisdictions in the USA."

You didn't even look at your church's financial statements, tax records or IRS Form 990, did you?
---Steveng on 3/7/14


Darlene, many people confuse mere social conventions and accepted practices with doctrine.

It's not just in matters of clothes, or petty abstinences from alcohol, tobacco, movies, and cards. I grew up in Birmingham, AL. May people there believed that racial segregation had a Biblical basis.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/14


Darlene, you are right on about primitive Baptist. they are on pluto and I wish they would take the Baptist off and just be called primitive.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14


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when I get disorganized I must get things straight. I can't function in disorganization. everything has a place but sometimes I can't find what Im looking for to put it in place. the two go hand in hand at least for me it does.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14


Hi Darlene,
I am so sad that you had such a bad experience with the Primitive Baptists. I have had many positive encounters with them and have many friends who are PB's.

---trey on 3/7/14


Darlene 1
What scripture did you show the PB man regards cutting your hair?
---Simone_G on 3/7/14


\\cluny, why don't you go jump off the bay bridge. now Im telling you, leave me out of your stupid, putrid remarks. really, if you jumped off the bridge, you wouldn't be miserable or hateful anymore. Im not the only one who knows how miserable you are. you can't even stand yourself.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14\\

I weep for you, shira.

How many other people have you told to kill themselves?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/14


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Trey my experience with Primitive Baptist. I was in College but in my my 40s and knew the Bible pretty well which helped me to reply when the PB man started putting me down for cutting my hair and other things I call Clothes Line Gospel. They seem to be close to old line Pentecostals in their belief. I simply went to the Bible and showed him the verse which blew his idea right out of the water,he didn't put me down anymore. I just don't like it when anyone tries to cram their believes down someones throat. It really gives a message of you are in the wrong and you better straighten up or you're going to hell. The positive sharing of God's Word and His ways will come closer to winning souls than badgering someone with negative words. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 3/7/14


an organization can be disorganized.

confusion is not the same thing as disorganization. some very organized institutions cause very much confusion. have you tried Obeyme's health website?

"If you like your insurance, you can keep it..."

just an example of organization systematically causing mass confusion.
---aka on 3/7/14


\\The IRS and other taxing agencies must be informed about your church's daily activities especially concerning financials.
\\

Wrong again, as in your claim that yours is not a worldly denominational church, Steveng.

When I say Orthodoxy is disorganized, I mean we are divided into countless jurisdictions in the USA.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/7/14


Oh yes I know about primitive baptist and they are nothing like me or my church. They do not believe salvation is eternal and they sing their music like " do, re, me fah, so, lah, t, do. I know this is spelled wrong but you get the message the same. I don't know their other beliefs.
---shira4368 on 3/7/14


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Shira, have you ever heard of Primitive Baptists? Their doctrine and practice is older than that of the fundamental baptists.

I'm not digging, just saying.

Lord bless you.
---trey on 3/6/14


"No. I'm Orthodox.

Orthodoxy is the most disorganized thing in the USA. It's proof that we are energized by the Holy Spirit."
---Cluny on 3/5/14

God is not a God of disorder but of peace--as in all the congregations of the Lord's people.
---Stan on 3/6/14


Cluny: "Orthodoxy is the most disorganized thing in the USA. It's proof that we are energized by the Holy Spirit."

Orthodoxy is just as organized as any other denomination what with their rituals, traditions, celebrations, festivals, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. They have to be to keep its non-profit status. The IRS and other taxing agencies must be informed about your church's daily activities especially concerning financials.

Cluny, you are a person of the world. Instead of looking at your church's financial statements or its tax records you should research their IRS Form 990 which details its income and expenses, how much money and by whom was donated to the church, etc.
---Steveng on 3/6/14


\\cluny, you just had to get your little insult in didn't you\\

I didn't insult you. I merely stated an historical truth, namely that what is now called "old time salvation" was called "new light" when it first appeared in America.

Too bad you can't tell the difference.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/6/14


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cluny, you just had to get your little insult in didn't you? I won't say anything bad about your church but I just praise God I don't belong to it.
---shira4368 on 3/6/14


...The church to attend, and can it be done so regardless of a persons physical location. Organized/ordered by God, not man. ---Chria9396on 3/6/14

the whole post is wise and brilliant.
---aka on 3/6/14


I am glad that many here know church means the called out people of GOD. There is a phrase called the invisible church which is made up of all those who truly follow JESUS in their heart no matter what denomination they belong to.

I am a Member of the Seventh day Adventist movement or denomination. Yes we are very organized.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/6/14


christians even bicker about whose church is better..........
The church is not a building or a denomination, it's christians. Christianity is a lifestyle based upon love ---Steveng on 3/5/14

Amen!

Most churches foster a culture of conformity where members are expected to trust in the pastor's teaching and leadership.

Yet 1John 2:27 says
the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and YOU DO NOT NEED THAT ANYONE TEACH YOU but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things

Trust in Christ, not in man.

I rarely go to what is typically called "church".
Instead I mix with any Christian whose pastor is Christ alone.
---Haz27 on 3/6/14


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Define organized church.

Also church, attend...these terms can mean different things to different people. Is it regular, daily or weekly attendance, or occasional, or visiting anything that my fall under the title of church? Is it continual?

The church, biblically, the Body of Christ, not contained in physical walls/a `building...a building (spiritual) of the Lord,
Christ the head of the church.

The church to attend, and can it be done so regardless of a persons physical location. Organized/ordered by God, not man.
---Chria9396 on 3/6/14


No. I'm Orthodox.

Orthodoxy is the most disorganized thing in the USA. It's proof that we are energized by the Holy Spirit. Any other body run like this would collapse in 2 weeks.

\\I attend a fundamental Baptist church that believes in old time salvation.\\

Which means 19th century salvation.

When this kind of doctrine first appeared, it was called "new light." Did you know that, shira?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/5/14


The word "church" today has a completely different meaning than it did two thousand years ago just by the way it's used. For instance, people say: "I didn't see you in church today," or "Our church has a great pastor," or "Our church has great entertainment," etc. Today's christians even bicker about whose church is better - even within the same denomination.

The church is not a building or a denomination, it's christians. Christianity is a lifestyle based upon love - genuine love.

Love, active love, is your ticket to heaven.
---Steveng on 3/5/14


Yes, it is a Baptist Church.
---Rita_H on 3/5/14


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I am a Calvinist Presbyterian (PCUSA) we tend to do things decently and in good order.
---Blogger9211 on 3/5/14


No I can't attend church due to my physical disability,how I miss going. I was active in church and from childhood have enjoyed church services. I really feel when we can't go we miss a lot. On top of that I am not one to watch preachers on TV. There are only a very few that I will even listen to. I belong to the Assembly of God Church if I ever have a miracle and become able to go and frankly I haven't given up hope that will happen. I urge everyone to attend a mainstream church or be positive what is preached lines up with the Bible. In spite of what many think God created us for fellowship with Him and other people and that does help us in our daily lives and Christian walk.
---Darlene_1 on 3/5/14


I attend a fundamental Baptist church that believes in old time salvation. preaching, praying, singing shoutin. I like the old time preaching of God's Word. we are not legalistic even tho I know some are. if you think we are organized, then guess we are. we don't answer to any convention and we don't have headquarters, we answer to God.
---shira4368 on 3/5/14


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