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Explain Romans 1:26-28

In Romans 1:26 - 28 would you say that it is highly likely that the words "and RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES that recompence of their error which was meet" refers to Aids?

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Strongaxe,
you are correct. No one know what to believe in now. So many lies. I have read of some test the government has done to our own soldiers. Testing them with viruses, and during the time of the Atomic Bomb, subjecting soldiers to the fall out of the bomb. Thing are kept secret. There is really not many we can trust. Everyone lies, and many keep secrets. The news papers are most run by liberals. They print out more on things that are not godly in nature. And support many things not morally right.
But it matters not what anyone does, nothing gets by without God allowing it or permitting it to happen. He is in control of all things, even the devil.
---Luke on 9/22/14


Strongaxe: Yes, your comment is correct, yes - I just meant I fear we will still have to use the news, knowing that it is not quite right but sort of 'might be right sometimes'?

I guess we both wish we could find something correct, but I don't think we can!
---Peter on 9/21/14


Peter:

All I suggest is that our news sources are imperfect, so even though we must use them, tainted as they are (i.e. through a glass darkly), we must be aware of this, and not treat them as the gospel truth.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/14


StrongAxe on 9/13/14: 'I've noticed over the years that in most cases where I am very familiar with the details, news stories are at best inaccurate.'

True, but how do you propose we find news otherwise? You can go to specialist papers if you want very specific news, but many things are not reported in research journals, and the old style news is the only way.

What do you suggest?
---Peter on 9/17/14


Com7fy8: // But sin is spiritual AIDS which can make us weak against spiritual disease.//

Good description.
---Adetunji on 9/17/14




AIDS is a disease which causes people to lose their immunity to infections and cancer.

But sin is spiritual AIDS which can make us weak against spiritual disease.

But God's love has His own almighty power of immunity against any and all sin-sick stuff.

For example > "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment." (in 1 John 4:18)

So, fear is a spiritual and emotional problem which we can suffer because we are not strong in God's love. There is torment in fear. And I would say our personality torments can be connected somehow with fears that we have.

So, this is not only a "gay" problem.
---com7fy8 on 9/16/14


Dr, Cameron ....
If you think about it, you see this is absurd. Who has the TIME for such carryings on, much less the energy? Who even knows that many people?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/14

Cluny. The study numbers were given to Cameron by his subjects.
You common found attitude is the reason for the post, in that you are obviously ignorant of the lifestyle as we all have been.
Won't (knowingly) shake hands or let any small children of my family within twenty feet of these possible carriers of hepatitis's and bacterial's documented.

Perhaps you are more open minded or open handed?
---Trav on 9/16/14


Jasper,
HIV effects believer and non believers. Not just those who rebel against God. If it only occurred on those who rebel against God then your statement would be valet.
---Luke on 9/16/14


Wot ever it is, it came from those who turns away from Godly ways. This is the consequences of not walking with God. Just as Eve Walked away fro.m Adams side and got into trouble. This is a lesson for us all, to be obedient to all the rules. Don't question our Maker who knows us all inside out.
---Jasper on 9/15/14


\\Dr. Cameron Chairman of the Family Research Institute, gives an adult version of what contributes to the diseases of this choice of lifestyle. Find on line. \\

Dr, Cameron has also made ridiculous claims about what some men do in their spare time with 1000-2000 other men a year on an average.

If you think about it, you see this is absurd. Who has the TIME for such carryings on, much less the energy? Who even knows that many people?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/13/14




shira4368:

You said: I read an article while in a dr's office that aids was an experiment in Africa and many were infected. it spread from there. I couldn't believe what I was reading. the gov in Africa had threatened the scientist if they exposed what was happening. that stuck in my brain forever. I couldn't imagine that being the truth.

I once read an article that said it was a secret American project in the 60s or 70s that somehow escaped from the lab. We shouldn't believe everything we read or hear. I've noticed over the years that in most cases where I am very familiar with the details, news stories are at best inaccurate. What does that say about most cases, where I don't know the details, and have to rely on the news?
---StrongAxe on 9/13/14


Rita_H:

Since HIV affects all demographic groups, and the largest increase of HIV increases today is among heterosexual women in Africa, the answer is "no".

It can also be misleading to focus on a few verses out of context. Subsequent verses 29-31 also list other specific sins that refer to these same people being mentioned - wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, envy, murder, gossip, backbiting, spite, pride, boasting, disobedience, covenant breaking, etc. These things can be found in all demographic groups.


Adetunji:

How the first victim got it has nothing to do with whether or not the resulting plague is God's specific judgment. It claims guilty and innocent alike.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/14


Dr. Cameron Chairman of the Family Research Institute, gives an adult version of what contributes to the diseases of this choice of lifestyle. Find on line.

Might distribute to anyone you care about even in casual contact with this lifestyle.
Especially mothers with small children. Eyeopener study.

The lifestyle can affect the innocent healthy, not realizing the disease range of perversity.
---Trav on 9/12/14


I think the recompense of their error is explained. God turned them over to their lusts. To live in lusts instead of God's love is a punishment in itself. Sin has its "built-in punishment" of "Destruction and misery" (Romans 3:16) . . . including being dominated by dictatorial emotions and drives.
---com7fy8 on 9/11/14


Hello,Sis.RitaH.all respect, I knew a wife,husband christians devout, I was in their care temporarly, I was a alone my child died,they were good people. the daughter caught infection hiv nobody knows how...they were both ministers, she was 4 yrs.old. No blood problems, nothing..she was adopted.They never found out how she contracted the illness.They were
decent people I stay there for about 2 years. It was a hard thing, for them.The only theory maybe? how.. she did get visits from her biological mother, before they got her.Her real mother used Iv drugs was on heroine, she used to stick her as a baby to punish them.the social worker had that documented.
---Elena_9555 on 7/13/14


"This verse cannot refer to HIV/AIDS because babies have been born with this horrible disease. What did they do to "receive in themselves a recompence of their error"?"

Wives who have kept themselves just for their husbands are infected by infected husbands who 'strayed' and then a baby is conceived who is also infected.

The sins of one person almost always cause problems, of one kind or another, for other people.
---Rita_H on 7/13/14


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Hello,Bro.Luke, it's like you said, who knows how it actually, started re:the hiv/aids, disease.I recall the first time I heard was some airplane pilot guy a caucasian caught the virus, spread it
he was dating women between flights, found out he had it, and bitter kept infecting people.

The only thing I do know as I used to donate my time helping hiv/aids patients, I found out the one that keeps dating people (of coarse keeps infecting others!) weird, but that person seems to live long after their victims are dead.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/12/14


To Com7fy8, all respect, I certainly,100% agree with you. A sad reality, obcession exactly, as you say & imaturity, etc.. that's not real love, be it straight men and we know some "date both sexes", having promiscuis fornication, adultery with who ever, put their wives, or girlfriends lives in danger, and SO if she is pregnant baby CAN Be
a victim hiv/aids virus.

if the female is out getting into same irresponsible behavior / husband is faithfull..the virus,any
sexual transmitted disease put'him at risk, too. This is a sad reality.

Love of Jesus!
Elena9555
---Elena_9555 on 7/11/14


This verse cannot refer to HIV/AIDS because babies have been born with this horrible disease. What did they do to "receive in themselves a recompence of their error"?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/9/14


Romans 1:18-32 talks about how people refused God and were not "thankful", "worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator". So, God "gave them up to vile passions" which had women exchange "the natural use for what is against nature", and men left "the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another".

These evil emotions drove them to fake sex, destroying them from how they could have real love and be "tenderhearted", enjoying sweet and sensitive sharing > Ephesians 4:31-32, 1 Peter 3:7-9. So, their real AIDS problem was they had no spiritual immunity against sin-sick drives for pleasure which degraded them from real loving.
---com7fy8 on 7/5/14


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//Most of you non-African bloggers seem to believe the report that HIV came into human beings based on someone who ate parboiled monkey/chimp or while cutting its meat it got contact with his/her blood.//

I do not believe anyone was present when the two strains came together to really tell us the truth, so everyone who has an opinion is because of something they read somewhere, or something someone told another. There is no positive reason found how man got it, unless the person who first got it comes forward. Even then not many will believe he is the first person who got it.
---Luke on 3/31/14


Most of you non-African bloggers seem to believe the report that HIV came into human beings based on someone who ate parboiled monkey/chimp or while cutting its meat it got contact with his/her blood.
Be it known unto you that the African version of the source of HIV in man was that a man/woman somewhere had carnal knowledge of his/her monkey or chimpanzee pet(intentionally or experimentally) & it spread to the whole world from that point.
Which of the 2 versions do you think is more plausible ?
---Adetunji on 3/27/14


Dear Darline, your report about aids is similar to the one I read online. A study found that after analyzing the DNA make-up of the SIV, which is a virus, they found one string on one, an the other string on other different kind of monkeys.
Different monkeys have different strings of the SIV. When one monkey ate the other who had the other string, it combine the two strings which made the HIV.
Then it is believe man, while cutting the meat of a monkey infected with both strings, the person cut himself and got the virus by touching the meat. Later to pass it to others.
My point was that because of man's sin, Adam, disease and death comes to all man. Agape
---Luke on 3/24/14


Thanks Leon. I've heard something about all that but never read anything about it. Nazi's experimented on thousands of people mainly young girls.
---shira4/68 on 3/23/14


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"I read an article while in a dr's office that Aids was an experiment in Africa & many were infected...That stuck in my brain...I couldn't imagine that being the truth."
---shira4368 on 3/19/14


Believe it Shira! What do you know about the infamous WWII Nazi Dr. Joseph Mengele? How about the diabolical Tuskegee, Alabama Syphilis experiments? These experiments aren't even a fraction of the tip of the iceberg. You may want to youtube "Human Experimentation Cover Up (New Documentary (2014)".
---Leon on 3/22/14


Rita: Per your main blog question (I don't dare quote ~ :)) Ro. 1:26-28 doesn't refer just to Aids, but speaks to an untold number of maladies (known & perhaps yet unknown, physical & spiritual). The absolute worst thing that can happen to anyone is to gain the whole carnal world & loose their soul(mind) because of the sin they lovingly embrace & practice.
---Leon on 3/21/14


I read an article while in a dr's office that aids was an experiment in Africa and many were infected. it spread from there. I couldn't believe what I was reading. the gov in Africa had threatened the scientist if they exposed what was happening. that stuck in my brain forever. I couldn't imagine that being the truth.
---shira4368 on 3/19/14


No I think it meant their practices would be a hurt to them but with other things not AIDS. It was reported in the news that the first people to have AIDS were natives in Africa who got it from eating AIDS infected monkeys. You see it wasn't people at all who had the first AIDS it was African monkeys. I hardly think God created AIDS so monkeys could be punished. For natives to catch AIDS from them is a natural progression in their lives for they were always in the habit of eating Bush meat as part of their diet. I never heard how monkeys got AIDS.
---Darlene_1 on 3/17/14


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Cluny your question was addressed in part 2 of the quote that I submitted on 3/9. I have attempted to post that part 2 quote on 3 different occasions. Apparently that post has been disallowed for what ever reason. There was nothing offensive about it, therefore it must have simply rub the moderators the wrong way, or perhaps it just hit home. Whatever the case, I did make the attempt.
---Josef on 3/14/14


Diane and Josef, I agree with both of you on your answers. When God did His creation, it was good. It was not until sin entered the world that all kinds of things begin to happen. Why? because of sin. Man has thought of all sorts of things and mostly all are wrong idea's. For greet or power. HIV was created by man. All sin is by man. God does not enjoy people dying of Aids, He allows it to go on in His plan. Did He know HIV was going to enter man? Of course. He knows all things.
---Luke on 3/11/14


I would say that GOD , does make the punishment fit the crime, sometimes HE lets them have what they want when they won't listen to HIM such as giving them over toa reprobate heart. I dont believe GOD made viruses during the creation week, and said it was good, creation, but, these came along after sin entered. after they ot kicked out of the garden to tend the land that didnt produce easily like the garden did...also GOD
made plagues etc for pharoahs benefit to make him let HIS people go
---Diane_Gilland on 3/10/14


God made viruses during the six days of creation.
God pronounced all of His creation "very good", for everything He made was purposed and beneficial.
Since then, DNA has gotten corrupt along with the adaption built into the DNA from it's creation.
It is like copying the copy of a copy, etc and not copying the original.
Also, man has had his hand into cross-breeding and genetic splicing to try to "improve" matters.
It is only hurrying the bad carbon-copies along.
God, however, knew of this from the foundation of the world, and uses both good and evil to bring people to the knowledge of His Son for His glory.
Gen 50:20 ...ye thought evil against me, [but] God meant it unto good...
---micha9344 on 3/10/14


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**"Josef, who do you think made HIV and why?" That question was answered in my last post.**

"Man made" doesn't answer the question of WHICH men made it, and you never touched on the reason for its being made.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/10/14


"Josef, who do you think made HIV and why?" That question was answered in my last post. However If you are seeking an exposition, it is as follows. "The most highly respected scientists and academicians debated the possibility that HIV-1, the most widespread and deadly human AIDS virus, evolved from accidental vaccine contaminations and subsequent transmissions to mostly African villagers. The hepatitis B vaccine was not considered by this esteemed gathering. By the end of the symposium, the esteemed delegates concluded HIV's origin, and AIDS, was not likely to have come from polio vaccine transmissions as chimpanzees were not proven to have been used during the manufacture of this vaccine" Cont. Part 2
---Josef on 3/9/14


Josef, who do you think made HIV and why?

It seems to have mutated from a monkey virus, and passed into humans through eating monkey flesh (a delicacy in some places in Africa).

There is also a feline immunodeficiency virus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/14


I believe aids is man a made virus rather than a natural one. Mans evil attempt at genocide. Father is certainly not the cause, nor do I believe He is using it to punish anyone. I also do not believe any one deserves it.
---Josef on 3/9/14


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One other thing: women who prefer women must be God's chosen people, as they have the LOWEST rate of HIV.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/9/14


If you are referring to the H word, btw, Roman 1 talks about those who 'exchanged" or "abandoned" "the normal use of women."

It says nothing about those people who have never been able to form emotional, erotic, and romantic bonds with the opposite gender.

You can't abandon what you never had to start with.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/14


No, because you can be totally celibate or even virginal, and still be infected.

HIV doesn't care a thing about your preferences. It simply gets into your blood stream by several ways, including blood transfusions (though blood is now tested), sees your T cells, and screams "LUNCH!"

And you become another statistic.

If you knew about the fertility cults that worshipped idols and called for the male devotees to castrate themselves, you would see this is not talking about a disease.

I think the rules forbid my being more explicit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/8/14


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