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Is Gap Theory Biblical

Is there any evidence that the Gap Theory is any more than two or three hundred years old-that it didn't just spring up to explain the long age theories in a biblical context?

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I am a passionate supporter of the truth of God's word and will challenge anyone.....
---Warwick on 3/6/14

Yes you are passionate....as Adolf was passionate.
This does not make you correct. Rather it makes one a wannabe dictator....it's your way or no way.
The O.T. Prophets you "never" refer with, point for the searcher God's version vs yours.
You never even tell your own story....it is always some borrowed, revered friends version or ur supposed learned betters.
Yes, there it a Genesis 2 creation...Adam and Eve and the flood was not Global. Both which are in scripture.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 3/17/14


"Enough of your groundless accusations born of evil surmising. SDA's believe neither of those things. We believe the Bible as our sole standard of religious doctrine. That being the case, we do not insert such ridiculous notions as marriage with angels (Mat 22:30) or long age gaps (Exo 20:11) into the Holy Scriptures to satisfy some need to account for satanic theories of man's origin as you apparently do. The Bible is just fine with us - just as written. You should test your psychic impressions by the unerring word of God - not the other way around."-jerry6593 on 3/17/14
Worth repeating, and not just SDA only.
BTW: If one would like to read all the posts, the question was never answered, so my guess is -- no.
---micha9344 on 3/17/14


Leon, that is only because some call it a theory. And yes all theories are as you say. But to say Adam and Eve were created GIANTS is also theory.


I just call it the GAP, with no need to add theory, since scripture backs up the GAP.

Whether angels married human women or not again is a THEORY many believe, also based on scripture they believe says as much. BUT bringing in other scriptures concerning angels that they cannot procreate should settle the argument. BUT it doesn't because no one wants to look at those other scriptures. Same with Gap....I have placed many scriptures no one even wants to look at.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14


The word "theory" has a special meaning in scientific contexts that differ from its meaning in general conversation.

What ordinary use calls a "theory" is called a "hypothesis" in science.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/14


And lets be thoroughly clear here what supporting scripture says here. Lest any crack heads want to go on and that Eve said this or that bla bla bla, and sin and deception started with her bla bla bla like I just read on some crazy sight I won't mention who it is affiliated with...but there are those here who will NEVER look at supporting scriptures to know how to RIGHTLY divide the Word of Truth.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Or maybe to "beguile" is not sin to some ??? Anyone who has GUILE in their heart tempting another is sin. GOD SAID ANGELS "SINNED".
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14




Earlier you said sin existed before Adam sinned. Now you have changed your mind!


---Warwick on 3/17/14

No I haven't Warwick. The sin that existed through Satan's fall had no effect on Adam whatsoever UNTIL they believed Satan's LIE. The deception of sin and rebellion of the serpent was already present in the garden BEFORE Eve believe it's lie. Are you saying the serpent was telling the truth? Or are you saying LYING and rebellion are not sin. BUT if they rejected the serpents lie, and stayed obedient NO SIN would have entered the world=humanity YET we see SIN itself in the serpent was present regardless of what they chose to do.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14


In the end, all the Gap Theory is is just the unsubstantiated opinion of people who're trying to square peg a round hole so as to prove "themselves" right...ego tripping.

THEORY: A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

synonyms: speculation, postulation, postulate, proposition, premise, surmise, assumption, presupposition, OPINION, view, belief, contention.

Theory in not fact!
---Leon on 3/17/14


Just as many in the protestant faith believe angels married women and is divided there, so also it appears with SDA's, who again some also believe in the Gap as Samuel is one who does. there is inconsistencies among your own.

I read re marriage in heaven was one of Ellen White's teachings as well. So to be accused of spreading lies is wrong. it can be looked up and has been documented online here.

Ellen said Adam and Eve were created GIANTS...that Jerry has yet to address.

Do YOU believe Adam and Eve were created GIANTS Jerry, or is this only SOME SDA's believe Ellen White while others do not?
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14


Warwick Jesus LITERALLY DIED FOR "ADAMS"=Humans. You twist the meaning of WORLD. Take the verse, "not only for our sin, but the sin of the world". ARE YOU saying WORLD here means angels, animals, trees? Please use common sense when the word "WORLD" is used in various scripture. Sometimes it does mean the whole of the cosmos, and sometimes it means HUMANITY. Jesus didn't die for the COSMOS/Universe. So WORLD in many places in scripture mean HUMANITY only. Romans 5 is about HUMANITY only. Sin entered HUMANITY only...through Adams sin.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14


Kath, I wrote "undermines" not "under-minds" as that makes no sense, a typo?

Earlier you said sin existed before Adam sinned. Now you have changed your mind!

You still hold to a Gap Theory but refuse to say what occurred in the gap. Are you embarrassed to state what you believe about this?

The final showdown is between Jesus our Creator and Redeemer and Satan, but on mans behalf.

Death did pass to Adam and Eve's children and no one else, because there never has been anyone else.

Death is both Spiritual (separation from God) but also physical as the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. This is why Jesus physically died. Or do you believe He did not die physically?
---Warwick on 3/17/14




Many problems about Genesis 1 can be eliminated if one believes IN THE BEGINNING is only telling us about the beginning of the creation of earth and our heavens. After all the Bible is for the inhabitants of earth.

The word Heaven in the bible can have 3 different meanings, 1. Gods throne heaven, 2. The starry heavens 3. The heavens in which the birds fly. The stars of Genesis 1:16 may be only our galaxy, the milky way.

God may have created many inhabited worlds before our earth as well as the angels. I find this quite compatible with scripture.
---therese on 3/17/14


Seriously Warwick, you have started my day off with a LAUGH. You just had a temper tantrum because I believe satan and angels were created before the foundation of the world! and the fallen angel we know today as satan tempted Eve to sin, and went over the deep end by accusing ME of trashing the gospel, and included that I probably don't believe in the flood and what was that remark about Jesus, that I believe he swooned and didn't die?????

You endorsed Micha's gnostic words re, laws of nature etc,.

You have real issues Warwick. The same issues Markv had. Why is that?
Is this what being in a cult does to you guys?

For God so loved "the WORLD" means humans!
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14


Why did God say in Hebrews 2 that satan held the power of death, until Jesus died and rose again? Why did Paul's gospel turn people from Satan to God if nothing is about satan to begin with. YOU have distorted and lied about these truths too. So have Calvinists. Neither of you BELIEVE these verses.

WHEN you can honestly understand and grasp these Truths, THEN you may understand the Gospel you say is being destroyed.

Warwick if you believe you can lose your salvation..YOU don't understand the Gospel you say is being destroyed.

You have hijacked Romans 5 from it's true meaning, destroying the foundation of salvation and the doctrine of GRACE, for your own evil reasons. This is NOT from God Warwick.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/14


SDA's do believe angels married humans. They also believe we will be married in heaven too, so I don't think they really understand what the NEW CREATURE in Christ IS to begin with. Kath 3/16/14 .

Kath, Where do you get your information about what SDAs believe? Some SDAs might believe what you say but those who believe the bible would not.
---therese on 3/17/14


Kath: "SDA's do believe angels married humans. They also believe we will be married in heaven too"

Enough of your groundless accusations born of evil surmising. SDA's believe neither of those things. We believe the Bible as our sole standard of religious doctrine. That being the case, we do not insert such ridiculous notions as marriage with angels (Mat 22:30) or long age gaps (Exo 20:11) into the Holy Scriptures to satisfy some need to account for satanic theories of man's origin as you apparently do. The Bible is just fine with us - just as written. You should test your psychic impressions by the unerring word of God - not the other way around.



---jerry6593 on 3/17/14


There is no record of any animals dying until Gen. 3:21 when we are told,

"Also for Adam and his wife the Lord made tunics of skin, and clothed them"

It is the first recorded account of any animal's dying. It happen after Adam sinned. The first physical death should have been the man and his wife, but it was an animal, a shadow of the reality that God would someday kill a substitute to redeem sinners.
---Luke on 3/17/14


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SDA's do believe angels married humans. They also believe we will be married in heaven too, this world passing original sin to all humanity through Adam. kathr4453

It is a sin to spread lies and half truths about the Seventh day Adventist church. We have our 28 fundamental doctrines posted on the SDA General Conference web site.

We do not believe Angels and humans can marry. We discuss and disagree about whether people married on earth will be married in heaven. We are all sinners but original sin is from the RCC teaching that all are born guilty of the sin of Adam. Which we do not believe.

Your first point could be the LDS or Mormons. But I am not sure of that. I have heard a few Pentecostals preach it.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14


Warwick, please get off your high horse that believing in the gap under -minds the gospel. Sin DID come into the world via Adam. Remember ANGELS DO NOT DIE. But we all know the serpent, who God calls satan tempted Eve, and if you read Genesis 3:15.. The final showdown will be with satan.

Death passed to Adam and Eve's to their children all the way down to today. NO one else.

And to say animals didn't die before Adam's sin is a lie.

DEATH Warwick is separation from God. AFTER sin, a blood sacrifice had to be done, from Abel on to cover sin until Christ died and rose again.

Hebrews 2. We know ABLE didn't "die", but only physically which we all will. The Second death is what you need to be worried about.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/14


RitaH, I know what you are saying. I know there are all,sorts of very tall people today that are human. I personally do not believe in an alien breed of 1/2 angel, 1/2 man. I was just answering warwick's question as to where that info came. They say those found in Peru are not 100% human.

SDA's do believe angels married humans. They also believe we will be married in heaven too, so I don't think they really understand what the NEW CREATURE in Christ IS to begin with. Sin came into this world passing original sin to all humanity through Adam. In Adam "all ADAMS"die, and only ADAMS can be redeemed in Christ being given eternal life. Eternal life Warwick is NOT going back to the original state Adam was before he sinned.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/14


Rita, I totally agree. I knew a guy who was 7 ft tall. he did die early in his life but he would walk all over downtown when I worked as a teen. I also went to school with a girl that had 6 toes and 6 fingers and she had surgery and she was so happy no one laughed at her anymore. Where is DNA from the days of the giants? If I'm nor mistaken, angels are non gender.
---shira43685 on 3/16/14


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Kath, you wrote "But interestingly enough, those giants you (Jerry) speak of had 6 fingers and 6 toes and their DNA is not human."

I asked "On what do you base this idea?"

You replied "I don't know the answer to this."

Thank you for your honesty. However there is a problem. You have made many such statements which you are unable to substantiate when challenged, but continue to make them.

For example you have made outrageous claims about what I do or do not believe based upon nothing.

You claim I endorse "Ellen White, new age verbiage, Gnosticism, pagan sun god worshippers, philosophy,...!

Where?

Is this proper Christian behaviour?
---Warwick on 3/16/14


"But interestingly enough, those giants you speak of had 6 fingers and 6 toes and their DNA is not human." Kathr.

How was this DNA found, where is it now?

Goliaths brother suffered from this illness . Read 1 Chronicles 20:5 and 6. Such people are huge, usually of low intelligence, have the extra digits (polydactyly) and are very unco-ordinated.

It is a known, but rare, condition even today and these people are definitely human - as were Goliath and his brothers. I've never met one but have a text book from college 1960s (somewhere) showing photographs of sufferers.

'Giant' just meant a very big person. The people of that era would have considered them a different species.
---Rita_H on 3/16/14


Kath, you now openly admit you hold to a view which undermines the gospel. You say sin was present in the world before Adam sinned. However Romans 5:12 says "Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it." You say sin was already there however Scripture says it did not exist before Adam sinned. You sure have created a mess haven't you!

Where else is Scripture wrong? Maybe the flood of Noah wasn't world-wide either?

Maybe Jesus did not die but only swooned? Why not?
---Warwick on 3/16/14


The gap is not a lie and is also believed by faith without even one shred of physical evidence. It's right in scripture.

I believe how one believes about satan is probably key here. I know SDA and Calvinists have a strange doctrine concerning satan. And one's understanding "of death" is another that seem to be the driving force behind YEC dogma. If they can't understand death according to scripture , they certainly can't understand eternal or eternal life.

And I found no truth in Micha's posts. If all ya got is Ellen White, new age verbiage, Gnosticism, pagan sun god worshippers, philosophy, to back you up, which Warwick you endorsed, may God help us all.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/14


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Nephilim, believed by many are fallen angels who married humans and the offspring were giants. There is a group who discovered giants recently in Peru who say they found the nephilim, and that the DNA is not human. The common link found of all giant skeletons is they have 6 fingers, 6 toes, ...one also found in England 12 feet tall, again 6 fingers and 6 toes.

Warwick, I don't know the answer to this.

We see Peter said Jesus preached to these SPIRITS in prison, re Noah and the flood...it doesn't say souls in prison. Maybe there is more to this than we will ever know in our lifetime. Adam was not created a SPIRIT, but a soul to begin with. The last Adam, Jesus is that life giving spirit given to humans AFTER His resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/14


Kath, you seem to ignore questions I ask and reply to questions I have not asked???

How you get the idea I do not understand what eternal means is beyond me. Are you suggesting God had a physical existence, sitting upon a physical throne from all eternity?

My faith is in God as I am well aware that this existence is but for a time. It seems you don't understand what I write.

You wrote "But interestingly enough, those giants you speak of had 6 fingers and 6 toes and their DNA is not human." And again I ask-On what do you base this idea?
---Warwick on 3/15/14


The gap theory is false. No Christian should even have doubts on the word of God. We believe it by faith even when we do not understand why and how God did things. What we do know is that it is true because God said it. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God, if a person does not believe the word of God how can he hear?
---Luke on 3/16/14


2 Corinthians 4:18

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Warwick, it appears you can only see the things that are temporal, and all your faith is in the temporal and not eternal. To put God who has no beginning and end on the same temporal level of existence, saying He had no space all His own with a Throne all His own before the temporal time of days came into existence for man is saying God to this very day is subjected to "our temporal time and space and energy". Even God Himself said the 7th day was made "for man" and not for God.

Man is temporal, earthly.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/14


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Eph 2:6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Cluny pointed out that world"s" as in plural also means ages. I don't disagree. We know in the "ages to come" or world to come, is talking about the new heaven and earth.

God's plan throughout ALL the ages, even before the foundation of the world, was to bring sons into glory. Not angels who are also sons, but begotten sons through Jesus Christ. Christ was for-ordained before the foundation of the world to take away sin. Satan and death are the last enemies to be dealt with.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/14


Warwick, The original heaven and earth was created perfect not needing the creation of "time" First to accomplish. No "Adam" meaning human existed on the original earth. The angelic world did not need the creation of time prior to it's recreation for MAN= Human. Satan fell from a time in history past and was already in a fallen state when he tempted Eve. Adam and Eve did not INVENT sin. It already existed and was knocking at the door to let it in. They opened the door.

Jerry, show us scripture where Adam/Eve were created GIANTS as Ellen White and Price have stated.

Micha, it was not a clerical error when you tried to marry Genesis 2:4 with Genesis 5 and twist scripture.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/14


Warwick, I don't think you grasp the meaning of ETERNAL. God IS eternal, always has been always will be. Now look at the new heaven and earth. Our earth today is only TEMPORAL shown by God giving this TEMPORAL WORLD a calendar of time, seasons etc for our Temporal use ONLY.

Not so in the new heaven and earth. No TIME, no sun and moon to count days and seasons. Why, because it will be as ETERNAL as God has always been. This very small () of time is for a purpose, and that purpose was never to be ETERNAL. TIME never describes ETERNAL, but temporal.

"In the beginning "did not begin (). Only OUR beginning did.

The new heaven and earth was not plan B or an after thought.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/14


Kath, you wrote "But interestingly enough, those giants you speak of had 6 fingers and 6 toes and their DNA is not human." On what do you base this idea?

You also wrote "Also the idea that nothing existed before TIME can never be proven scientifically...." Of course it cannot because the scientific method cannot be applied to past events. However Exodus 20:11 says "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them,.." This tells us there was nothing created before the 6 days of creation. As God is not man, but Spirit (John 4:24) he does not inhabit the physical world, has no substance we would recognize, and does not live in time, as we do. .
---Warwick on 3/15/14


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Kathryn: "I put scripture showing they existed pre and after the flood, just as pygmy's did."

I must have missed the scriptures showing pygmies existed before the flood. Please show them again.



---jerry6593 on 3/15/14


Micha, thank you for correcting yourself. When this " in Adam all die" has been so taken out of context as the ONLY leg one stands on that there can be no gap whatsoever, then you say all came from Adam, it was starting to get somewhat scary the things coming form you all. Throwing old gnostic teachers at us, was really scary too. I have no idea what you are Micha.

But now you got a little taste of your own medicine, and Warwick's as well. So you keep your "slippery slope comments" or "fool" comments or your snide remarks, or presumptuous comments out of the debate, and maybe we can debate here.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/14


5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

When the flood came with Noah, the "heavens" were NOT OF OLD, and the WORD did NOT make a new heaven. ((a 2000 year old heaven is not an OLD heaven. )) So no heavens WERE RECREATED at the time of the flood. Only during the 6 days.

Here is another clarifying the GENERATIONS of the heaven and earth.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/14


"This could be where Micha gets that everything was made FROM Adam=human because Micha believes God and Jesus were originally human."-kathr4453 on 3/14/14
"Everything" was a clerical error and in no way should have resulted in ad hominim attacks, accusations and all out slander.
It reminds me of a verse.
Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
Any resemblance to ChristiaNet bloggers, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
---micha9344 on 3/14/14


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Micha, Genesis 2:4 is immediately after the listing of the days of creation. THESE ARE the GENERATIONS of the Heavens and Earth have nothing to do with any generations of Adam to Noah. There is no listing of anyone generated from Adam in Genesis 2:4 or the whole of Genesis 2. They had not even procreated at that time to list any of their physical generations.

This is strictly talking about the HEAVENS and EARTH.

The remainder of the verse says....This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made "earth and heaven".
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


My fault. "everything" should have read "everyone."
These "generations" are from descending order, as you say, starting from the creation of heaven and earth on day 1 and continuing thru day 6, as Ex 20:11 says.
-Gen 5:1 "generations" from the creation of Adam -day 6.
Yes, "generations" may not be "1 day". That is not how they are measured. They do, however, show a consistent progression as evidenced by Gen 1:2-how the Earth looked when it was created, through Gen 1:31-very good.
Also note:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
"finished", not "refinished."
Gen 1:1-started, Gen 2:1-finished...6 days.
---micha9344 on 3/14/14


MORMONS believe: it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so, for I am going to tell you how God came to be GodThese are incomprehensible ideas to some, but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us, yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did.

This could be where Micha gets that everything was made FROM Adam=human because Micha believes God and Jesus were originally human.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


micha A "GENERATION" is not a day. It means in a descending order....as many scriptures say also, and these are the generations of Noah, and then list all of Noah's descendants. they certainly were not all produced in a day.

Also the idea that nothing existed before TIME can never be proven scientifically. We see the New Heaven and earth having no such TIME necessary for it's existence. There will be no time clock on any walls in the New Creation. TIME was made for earthly creatures for days and seasons. Not Heavenly ones or God Himself.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


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-Gen 5:1 summarizes the creation of Adam and everything made from him (generations).
It is misinterpretation that leads one down a slippery slope.

---micha9344 on 3/14/14
And you certainly have tried to do that here.

Really EVERYTHING was made FROM Adam becoming generations of "the Heavens" and earth? Are you serious? are you a Mormon? That is certainly one slippery slope you hang your hat on. Don't hurt yourself when you slip down that one.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


Jerry I never said pre flood giants did not exist. I put scripture showing they existed pre and after the flood, just as pygmy's did. showing through this that Ellen White's vision and Price's crazy comment that ALL MEN starting with Adam and Eve began as Giants, and that after the flood men evolved into dwarfs. those were his words, and have no scriptural proof or scientific proof.

And it is because of this BOGUS nonsense that Christianity and faith have been brought DOWN to the level of unregenerate men.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
-Gen 4:2 summarizes the six-day creation of the heaven and the earth and everything made from it(generations)
Exo 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is]...
Notice He made it all in six days.
Please believe all the Bible.
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him,
-Gen 5:1 summarizes the creation of Adam and everything made from him (generations).
It is misinterpretation that leads one down a slippery slope.
---micha9344 on 3/14/14


Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, ----
It's NOT the first generation. If it was THIS verse would be NOT BE necessary to begin with. Just one of MANY MANY SCRIPTURES, showing there is in fact a place between Genesis 1:1-2 that those verses fit in. If you can't understand or BELIEVE this verse first right from the very beginning of Genesis, why should you believe by faith anything God has said. Your faith is not true faith. TRUE faith believesEVERY WORD OF GOD without having to rely on physical, scientific evidence OR the wisdom of men.

YOU need both science (to SEE) and men's wisdom(philosophy)used by unsaved people in order to decide.
That's NOT FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


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Kathryn: I find it strange that you believe that pre-flood DNA and pre-flood pigmies existed but pre-flood giants didn't. You have possibly bought into the modern belief that ancient men were small, stupid cave dwellers that "evolved" into the magnificent geniuses that we are today. This thinking is upside down. Man was formed by God with lofty stature and nobility of character. We have "devolved" into the puny reprobates now extant.



---jerry6593 on 3/14/14


Scientific evidence will never prove Jesus who is God was made flesh, died and rose again for the forgiveness of sin. No philosophy or science can prove the new birth we receive in the risen Christ. We believe it because God said it, based on His word alone.

When people feel they have to prove faith through physical scientific or philosophical evidence, then the whole of faith is destroyed.

God parted the sea, and NO ONE needs to prove scientifically how it happened, or that it happened. Yet we have wing nuts called Christains who use "the laws of nature" to explain it away.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/14


/...if you keep quoting, "by faith we understand", why are you constantly quoting someone else's faith and not your own.\
It was in one of the quotes I posted, so since you asked:
Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset [us], and let us run with patience the race that is set before us.
"But the extra biblical sandwiched in and weaved through out exta biblical nonsense, having no scripture to back it..."-kathr4453 on 3/13/14
You mean like putting an indefinite period of time between Gen1:1 and 1:2 when it clearly states from v1 to v5: "In the beginning...day one."
---micha9344 on 3/13/14


Jerry, evidence of Pygmy's have also been found dating before Noah's flood, as well as after.

But interestingly enough, those giants you speak of had 6 fingers and 6 toes and their DNA is not human.

The correct definition of human means ADAM.

Pygmy's are human.

So Price's THEORY that all humans were giants is only a fantasy.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/14


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MODERATOR I wrote "..as Kath has grumbled about my failure to answer this question why have you three times refused to publish it? Is there any point in me trying for a fourth time?"

Could you please have some manners and tell me why my post to Kath was refused three times?
---Warwick on 3/13/14


micha, if you keep quoting, "by faith we understand", why are you constantly quoting someone else's faith and not your own.

what we do understand by faith is faith in the Word of God and it's because we believe His Word that GOD CREATED, not a big bang. But the extra biblical sandwiched in and weaved through out exta biblical nonsense, having no scripture to back it, is not "understanding by Faith", unless your faith is called GNOSTIC faith, and not true faith in God's Word alone. Embellished extra biblical NON Biblical words like "the laws of nature", or nothing existed prior to day 1, even God's Throne etc, is man's extra-biblical input.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/14


"You continually bombarded us with men's fallacies reinterpreting scripture on another blog, old fossils who were sun god worshippers, believing in the pagan goddess Sophia , and denied the deity of Jesus Christ as accurately interpreting Genesis 1. Then another who said the earth needed to be purified."-kathr4453 on 3/13/14
I have not posted anything regarding Sophia, the denial of Christ, nor the purification of earth in this or the "When was the Beginning" blog.
From your accusational posts were all of these derived from misreadings and misinformation.
I suggest readers to check for themselves.
---micha9344 on 3/13/14


Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days, ---
Does not say, all men were Giants
Deuteronomy 3:11
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants, behold his bedstead was a bedstead of iron, is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
2. Joshua 12:4


Ok so here we have a problem, 1)We see after the flood a remnant of Giants. Conflict..either not all died during the flood, or GIANTS had nothing to do with the atmosphere and fertilizer before the flood as stated by Ellen Whites vision and Prices' supposed giants that cannot be produced.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/14


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"By faith we understand that the worlds - Heaven and earth and all things in them, visible and invisible. Where made - Formed, fashioned, and finished. By the word - The sole command of God, without any instrument or preceding matter. And as creation is the foundation and specimen of the whole divine economy, so faith in the creation is the foundation and specimen of all faith. So that things which are seen - As the sun, earth, stars. Were made of things which do not appear - Out of the dark, unapparent chaos, Gen. i, 2. And this very chaos was created by the divine power, for before it was thus created it had no existence in nature.-John Wesley (1703-1791)
---micha9344 on 3/13/14


Michael: "There are SDA's on here that align themselves with the GT"

Oh really? Who? Certainly not me. I believe the Bible:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth



Anon: "Were humans from Adam and Eve to Noah large and more thrifty looking then [sic] their corresponding modern representatives?"

Yes! Evidence of such exists, but is limited due to the obliterating effects of the flood. Even the Bible speaks of "giants" anciently.



---jerry6593 on 3/13/14


------ I believe it is a compromise of man's fallacies reinterpreting scripture.
---micha9344 on 3/12/14

Micha, this by far is the most humorous post you've added so far. You continually bombarded us with men's fallacies reinterpreting scripture on another blog, old fossils who were sun god worshippers, believing in the pagan goddess Sophia , and denied the deity of Jesus Christ as accurately interpreting Genesis 1. Then another who said the earth needed to be purified.

And you see yourself as the all knowing guru of truth? You're
not able yourself to discern bogus reinterpretation of scripture?
---kathr4453 on 3/13/14


Previously I wrote "Secondly the moderator seems to allow some to constantly post multiple blogs while not allowing others to do so." I have now answered Kath's question on angels 3 times and it has still to be published. Moderator as Kath has grumbled about my failure to answer this question why have you three times refused to publish it? Is there any point in me trying for a fourth time?
---Warwick on 3/13/14


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Samuel, Hopefully not to get into that discussion, but...
What view does the SDA hold on the rapture?
What view do you hold?
pre? mid? post?
What is most convincing to you concerning your viewpoint?
I would reject pre-trib if it didn't hold weight through the ages.
Some doctrines were never really discussed up to a certain point, such as the trinity. But because of false doctrines, true doctrine had to be clarified and codified.
I don't believe this is the case for the Gap Theory. I believe it is a compromise of man's fallacies reinterpreting scripture.
---micha9344 on 3/12/14


Anonymous, you wrote "What we call young-earth creationism today is promoted by Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries International, the Institute for Creation Research and other groups can be traced back to one of Whites visions." Having read literature from the above groups for c30years I have never read anything which agrees with your statement. Can you please be specific and give quotes?
---Warwick on 3/12/14


I do not know the gap theory is probably a recent event.

But then many accept the PreTribulation Rapture theory and that was started by Darby in 1830.

So if you wish to reject a theory because it is recent. Then you must also reject the Darby theory.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/12/14


"When this work was produced: In the beginning, that is, in the beginning of time, when that clock was first set a going: time began with the production of those beings that are measured by time. Before the beginning of time there was none but that Infinite Being that inhabits eternity....This immense mass of matter was it out of which all bodies, even the firmament and visible heavens themselves, were afterwards produced by the power of the Eternal Word...It was shapeless, it was useless, it was without inhabitants, without ornaments, the shadow or rough draught of things to come...We have here a further account of the first day's work...That the first of all visible beings which God created was light"-Matthew Henry (1662-1714)
---micha9344 on 3/12/14


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"I believe this site has a few problems. Firstly 125 words is insufficient to explain complex things. [?] Secondly the moderator seems to allow some to constantly post multiple blogs while not allowing others to do so. Quite a few people have commented on the latter."
---Warwick on 3/11/14


I disagree, 125 words is more than enough. I don't believe much speaking proves anything. The plain & simple facts prove everything!

There have been times when I've, in hindsight, appreciated the mod for holding my "beard pulling" comments in check. :)

The only thing that can sufficiently "bridge the gap" is God's truth. Man's theories (opinions) are empty & fruitless.
---Leon on 3/12/14


Eze 28:17-19 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick, therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.
Who are the kings? the people? Is this really about Satan before Day 1?
---micha9344 on 3/12/14


Ezekiel 28: 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

THE VERSES BEFORE SAY
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God, thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Nowhere is the Garden of Eden in Genesis 1 referred to as THE HOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD. Satan was CAST OUT of Heaven, GODS HOLY MOUNTAIN to earth.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/14


Markv, yes we all know the Calvinist belief that the fall of Satan took place after the 6 days. We also know the Calvin's belief is that believing the first day stating "heavens" and earth, that your version of "heavens" included the creation of Angels. That is the only possible way that they could have witnessed God laying the foundation of the world.

But all scripture has at least 2 or three witnesses backing up such a claim. where are your witnesses?

The "Eden of God" is not the Garden of Eden. There is no record of Satan first walking up and down to and fro all bedazzled by God through rock and fire before iniquity was found in him in the Garden of Eden.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/14


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Robert L Numbers says that Seventh-day Adventism is grounded on the Sabbath doctrine of a literal Creation week. To Price, the Sabbath doctrine is what saved Adventists from evolutionism. He adopted Ellen G. Whites position on creationism as his own and he sought to persuade the world that a recent creation was required by the Bible and science.
All books written in favor of the YEC came from Price and his NEW geology, based on Ellen White's visions, including that vision that Adam and Eve were in fact GIANTS.

So even Price's idea about giant plants animals came from Ellen White.

No scripture backs up such claims.

A Christian would say, Christ saved us from sin....not the sabbath saving from evolution doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 3/12/14


"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

The heavens came first, then the earth. When God created the heavens, Lucifer was created. He was good because when God finished creating it was good. The rebellion of Satan therefore had occurred sometime after Gen. 1:31 when everything in creation was good, but before Gen. 3:1
which answers for Job 38.
---Luke on 3/12/14


It looks as though even those who believe in a young earth also draw their conclusion from theory. The thing about theory is that it is man made knowledge. So it looks like all these groups regardless are drawing from man made knowledge, that we see in the scientific world changing every day. Considering the size of the ark, as we do have those dimensions in scripture, do not support Price's THEORY we are dwarfs in comparison to creation before the flood. If the Dino's are today's lizards and all men were originally giants, no extra mention of giants would be necessary before the flood. Would this not be called evolution of sorts.

We do see the remains of Dino's, but has anyone excavated a giant human?
---kathr4453 on 3/11/14


George McCready Price defended the six-day creation, relying on Noahs flood to provide an alternative explanation for the data that served as the primary evidence stating this paradise before the flood was the only climate that existed anywhere on the earth prior to the flood. During this epoch the plants and animals were larger and more thrifty-looking than their corresponding modern representatives. "Our modern counterparts after the flood are degenerate dwarfs".

Were humans from Adam and Eve to Noah large and more thrifty looking then their corresponding modern representatives?
What support does Price have for such claims?
---Anonymous on 3/11/14


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Anonymous' post refers to how people deal with the "day" and has nothing to do with throwing millions of years between Gen 1:1 and 1:2.
The Day-Age Theory is the one that says that each day is an indefinite amount of time adding up to millions of years.
This also contradicts the Gap Theory, but both are unbiblical and have no foundation (were not seen prior to the 17th century).
Tracing back creationist organizations to a White vision may just need to be proven rather than spouted.
There are SDA's on here that align themselves with the GT because it preserves the 6 regular day creation and reconciles with the false long-age theories.
What support does anonymous have for such claims?
---micha9344 on 3/11/14


Anonymous, very interesting. I also can see after your post here that SDA's have a skewed belief in Satan, and Hell, sin they believe was placed on Satan saying he is the scape goat, and not Christ Himself, which now can reveal why Warwick refuses to answer my question over and over about Job 38. Also stating that Satan has nothing to do with anything concerning his fall before the 6 days.

Hummmmmm....I think I'm beginning to see something more sinister here than I had originally.

Will let you know what I find out. Please offer more yourself.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/14


While I myself don't believe in the Gap Theory, I don't think it's an important issue.

The only denomination I know that adopted it was Armstrong's World Wide Church of God. Whether they still hold it now, I don't know.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/11/14


I believe this site has a few problems. Firstly 125 words is insufficient to explain complex things. Secondly the moderator seems to allow some to constantly post multiple blogs while not allowing others to do so. Quite a few people have commented on the latter.
---Warwick on 3/11/14


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The original Gap Theory was thought up in the early 1800's in reaction to geologists speculations the earth was millions of years old. The idea was to place the millions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 2.

The Soft Gap Theory was developed to overcome the classical Gap Theory's problems i.e. death before sin. However it overcomes nothing as the millions of years idea is secular, needing no God, and by necessity places the sedimentary layers containing fossils of dead creatures (including humans) before Adams sin, the opposite of what Scripture says regarding the basis of the gospel. Why would any Christian believe a speculative secular idea rather than believe Scripture?
---Warwick on 3/11/14


"Is Gap Theory Biblical"

NO!!!

It is just another attempt to pervert the Bible into alignment with the atheist creation account - Evolution.



---jerry6593 on 3/11/14


This THEORY came off a Christian web site who are YEC. Neither is Biblical.

Global Cooling. In the 19th century, the renowned physicist and inventor Lord Kelvin (William Thomson) was the first to point out that if the earth began in a white-hot molten state, it would have cooled to its current temperature billions of years sooner than the 4.6 billion years accepted today. Since then, old-earth advocates have pointed out that radioactive decay within the earth would greatly slow down the cooling process. Young-earth advocates respond that, even given liberal assumptions concerning the amount of heat produced by radioactive decay, the earth would still cool to its current temperature much sooner than old-earth advocates allow.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/14


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