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Rich Young Ruler

Is it likely the "Rich Young Ruler" was spoken of anywhere else in the book of Matthew other than 19:16-24?

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\\In my heart I believe there's a connection between the rich young ruler & Joseph of Arimthea. ijs :)
---Leon on 4/3/14\\

Since the Bible says your heart is wicked and deceitful above all things, this is proof there is no connection.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/10/14


Just a thought: Maybe the rich young ruler did ultimately come to a point where he gave away all he had to follow Jesus & in doing so God blessed him with more than he originally had. The saying goes, "You can't beat God giving."

"Give, & you will receive. Your gift will return to you in full--pressed down, shaken together to make room for more, running over, & poured into your lap. The amount you give will determine the amount you get back."
(Lk. 6:38, NLT)


In my heart I believe there's a connection between the rich young ruler & Joseph of Arimthea. ijs :)
---Leon on 4/3/14


"Good advice Elder for "EVERYONE" here on CN."
Leon

Leon I have to take my own medicine more than people will ever know.
---Elder on 3/27/14


"...Cluny has much to offer but his harshness and unloving demeanor causes many to reject it and him. He doesn't like people to correct him or get into his comfort zone.

We can all fall into this trap when defending ourselves so try to make sure you don't and don't take things personal."
---Elder on 3/27/14


Good advice Elder for "EVERYONE" here on CN.
---Leon on 3/27/14


"...As for 'The Rich Young Ruler' being the same person as the 'rich man' Joseph in Matthew 27:57-60, I see no proof they are the same person as the only thing they have in common is that they both were rich and disciples of Jesus. Was the young ruler a disciple?..."
---Nana on 3/17/14

I doubt that it's just my hope. I'd like to think the rich young "Judean" ruler did in fact become a disciple of Jesus ("perhaps" in the person of Joseph). Why else would their be mention that Joseph, "a rich man" was from Arimathea (Judea)? What an encouraging lesson for us all "IF" they're indeed one & the same person!
---Leon on 3/27/14




Leon, I don't know anyone who doesn't defend their beliefs / reputation to some point.

I, try, to never start the fight but, for certain reasons, I will swing back also. Even Paul did this.

In defending our position we sometimes reveal the true nature of others.

Our true desire must be to defend God's truth so others may learn. We also do this by showing the agenda of others.

Cluny has much to offer but his harshness and unloving demeanor causes many to reject it and him. He doesn't like people to correct him or get into his comfort zone.

We can all fall into this trap when defending ourselves so try to make sure you don't and don't take things personal.
---Elder on 3/27/14


Leon, your comment on 21st to mine of the same date looks absolutely horrendous and is difficult to read. Whatever your view is on how the written word should look, my original is far easier to read than your 'copy' of it.

I abbreviate when space is at a premium but my comment fit perfectly well in the space allowed on that occasion .

I had a good education - English being my top subject.

Anyone finding difficulty reading someone else's 'offering' will soon give up and not take in what was being said.

There are too many misunderstandings here already without us creating more through the presentation of our contribution.
---Rita_H on 3/27/14


Elder, Leon's problem is that he projects.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/14


Elder: Cluny's problem is he's so self-righteous he can't see the err of his ways. He's like an immature, ranting, spoiled little child doing tit-for-tat (I hit you, I hit you back ~ eye for an eye). Pray for him that he one day may repent & then truly brings glory to Jesus Christ.
---Leon on 3/26/14


"It was LEON, who earlier accused me of being in attack mode and saying unChristlike things."
Cluny

Oh. Are you saying you don't do these things?
---Elder on 3/26/14




\\Darlene was trying to complement you by using your own tactics that you taught us.
---Elder on 3/25/14\\

It wasn't Darlene I was quoting.

It was LEON, who earlier accused me of being in attack mode and saying unChristlike things.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/26/14


"Does this make sense, class?"

Yes, yes teacher...

Darlene was trying to complement you by using your own tactics that you taught us.
---Elder on 3/25/14


\\Sister Darlene: Talking to Cluny is like Eve dialoguing with the serpent in the garden\\

You've likened me to Satan, but you accuse ME of "rude and unchristlike behavior" that you find intolerable.

Does this make sense, class?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/23/14


"...Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
-The wisdom is in the trust, not in the intellect."
---micha9344 on 3/21/14


Very good Micha! Far too many people are quick to lean upon their own understanding, apart from God's imparted wisdom.
---Leon on 3/23/14


StraongAxe, what you are describing is not "interpretation", it is "application", how to apply what is written.
Interpretation is "what does this mean", not "does this apply".
"Thou shalt not kill(murder) is easy to understand, no interpretation needed. It, therefore, just needs to be put to the test to see if it applies to whatever circumstance is presented.
The Word of God is not open to interpretation, but is very open to misinterpretation.
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding.
-The wisdom is in the trust, not in the intellect.
---micha9344 on 3/21/14


"Leon, [it's] fine to quote others here...please quote me accurately without adding your own whacky punctuations. [?!]... copy [ & ] paste my words. There was no need of your... square brackets [ & ] dots."
---Rita_H on 3/21/14


Ooookaaay! I meant no offense Rita. I condense (but never change the comments of others) to make space for my comments. Many bloggers waste space by not using ampersands, contractions, abbreviations, etc. Also, paragraph breaks are wasteful in lengthy comments. I use brackets to 1.) Comment on the comment(s) of others within their comments & 2.) Alter, for space purposes, the form of comments, e.g., instead of saying "it is", say [it's]...takes less space. Peace! :)
---Leon on 3/21/14


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"...Much of the Bible gives general rules, but doesn't deal with specific details and clarifications.[?] For that, we need interpretation...we need interpretation, that relies on God-given human judgment." [?!!!]
---StrongAxe on 3/20/14


Who's interpretations?! God lets us rightly divide ONLY IF our judgment lines up with His "Holy Spirit's interpretation(s)" of Scripture. We're not meant to interpret the Bible. Contrary to the opinions of many, we're not that competent. Man's trying to do so has led to the age old hornet's nest of confusion that currently exists in organized religion. Plain & simple, God gives us common sense only so we can reason what He reveals to us.
---Leon on 3/21/14


Leon:

Much of the Bible gives general rules, but doesn't deal with specific details and clarifications. For that, we need interpretation.

For example, "thou shalt not kill" (which really means "murder"). Just WHAT is "murder"? Under what circumstances is killing permissible and when isn't it? There are clearly cases when it is (since the old testament prescribes the death penalty for many offenses), but there are many cases that it doesn't get into specifically. Thus, we need interpretation, that relies on God-given human judgment.
---StrongAxe on 3/20/14


Leon, it is fine to quote others here but when YOU choose to quote ME please quote me accurately without adding your own whacky punctuations.

All you need to do is copy and paste my words. There was no need of your brackets, square brackets and dots.
---Rita_H on 3/21/14


\\ I will not validate your rude, unchristlike behavior any further.
---Leon on 3/20/14\\

You certainly hate it when I treat you the way you treat me, don't you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/14


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Cluny: Here's the deal. Whenever you go looney (attack mode) expect only silence here on out from me. I will not validate your rude, unchristlike behavior any further.
---Leon on 3/20/14


"I...don't think... scripture is meant to be a guessing game...We either accept [it] as it stands or [not]...once we start assuming... & telling others...our assumptions... passing such thoughts & ideas as if they are fact. Not very wise i.m.o."
---Rita_H on 3/20/14


Rita: People's opinions are always leading themselves & others astray. Line upon line, precept upon precept, as the Bible explains itself, is the solid ground we're to stand upon. God's word is fact! Opinions/doctrinal traditions of men are rabbit holes no one should fall into.

Believe it or not, I've only attempted to show what Scripture says. Some bloggers see & hear God's word. Others are deaf & blind to it.
---Leon on 3/20/14


\\What the Bible actually says (evidences) trumps unauthenticated legends (traditions) or any other kind of group opinions (old wives tales)\\

Like your conflation of RYR and Lazarus.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/20/14


I really don't think that scripture is meant to be a guessing game e.g. that 'this' person actually refers to 'that' person.

We either accept scripture as it stands or we don't and if we don't it is our loss but once we start assuming things and telling others about our assumptions we will soon find others passing such thoughts and ideas as if they are fact.

Not very wise i.m.o.
---Rita_H on 3/20/14


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"...Ancient tradition [h]as Joseph of Arimathea considerably older than the RYR..."
---Cluny on 3/19/14


Cluny: Who's ancient tradition? Other than being young does "tradition" say just how old the RYR was? If tradition can't say specifically how old the RYR was, how then can tradition determine Joseph was considerably older? Based upon what tangible data?

What the Bible actually says (evidences) trumps unauthenticated legends (traditions) or any other kind of group opinions (old wives tales).

Yes, glory to Jesus Christ, this isn't a salvation dependent issue. Thanks for your participation in this seeking process! :)
---Leon on 3/20/14


==I actually believe the rich young ruler, spoken of in Matt. 19:16-24, was Joseph of Arimathea (Matt. 27:57-60).==

Ancient tradition as Joseph of Arimathea considerably older than the RYR.

But this is not something salvation depends upon.

We'll find out in due time.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/19/14


""I believe what's "most important" is that we allow Scripture to speak for itself by the leading (teaching) of God, the Holy Spirit. That way we don't get caught up in trying to interpret (figure out on our own) what is being communicated in the Bible.""

Being led by God is of course most important. Thanks
---Chria9396 on 3/20/14


"...Perhaps more important, is do we consider vs 14 to only apply to literal little children between the age of ? and ?..."
---Chria9396 on 3/19/14


Chria: I believe what's "most important" is that we allow Scripture to speak for itself by the leading (teaching) of God, the Holy Spirit. That way we don't get caught up in trying to interpret (figure out on our own) what is being communicated in the Bible.

Again, thanks for your thoughtful input. :)
---Leon on 3/19/14


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Nana, Leon,
Thanks. Id always assumed little children referred only to little children, but since Jesus and Paul refer to many this way who are not little,it might be considered. Rich young ruler is referring to the one mentioned here, and is not named...
I have not looked into whether or not this is Joseph of Arimathea, if it is, why could he not be considered one of the little children
Considering use of word thence,
1.from that place
2.from that time, thenceforth
3.from that source.
4.from that fact or reason, therefore

Perhaps more important, is do we consider vs 14 to only apply to literal little children between the age of ? and ?...
---Chria9396 on 3/19/14


Interesting stretch Chria, but my blog question has everything to do with actuality, not generality. I actually believe the rich young ruler, spoken of in Matt. 19:16-24, was Joseph of Arimathea (Matt. 27:57-60).

Thanks for your response Chria. :)

p.s. "their" should've read "there", my blog posting 3/18/14.
---Leon on 3/19/14


Chria9396,

"Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them."
"Suffer little children"
Matthew 19:15 "And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence."

The dealing with the children brought to him was finalized on that verse and the next incidence was with a "young man" (v20).

However, you still have a valid and good point.
---Nana on 3/19/14


i thought preceding verses interesting:

"14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

Little children? Were they literally and exclusively children? Jesus referred to many adults as little children

One who?
Considering this verse follows talk of little children, might it be a continuation rather than a totally separate incidence?
If so, the young ruler had already been spoken of in a general sense as "little children".
Also..
---Chria9396 on 3/19/14


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"Nana: I believe God uses all Bible characters to show us ourselves because we're no different than them. In fact, "WE ARE THEM" going thru same if not similar life situations daily...."
Leon on 3/18/14

I agree Leon, well said.
---Nana on 3/18/14


Nana: I believe God uses all Bible characters to show us ourselves because we're no different than them. In fact, "WE ARE THEM" going thru same if not similar life situations daily. In all that's taught in the Bible on the micro (regional historical) level there's always the macro (world, big picture) level that includes all of us (mankind), from Adam to the present & the future.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. Yes, we can agree to disagree on this matter. I believe the parable definitely describes Peter & perhaps Joseph. Yet, both descriptions are types of us all.

What the rich young ruler & Joseph have in common is they were both rich, from Judea & both seekers/followers of Jesus.
---Leon on 3/18/14


"...As for 'The Rich Young Ruler' being the same person as the 'rich man' Joseph in Matthew 27:57-60, I see no proof they are the same person as the only thing they have in common is that they both were rich and disciples of Jesus. Was the young ruler a disciple?..."
---Nana on 3/17/14


I doubt that it's just my hope. I'd like to think the rich young "Judean" ruler did in fact become a disciple of Jesus ("perhaps" in the person of Joseph). Why else would their be mention that Joseph, "a rich man" was from Arimathea (Judea)? What an encouraging lesson for us all "IF" they're indeed one & the same person!
---Leon on 3/18/14


Leon,

It seems to me that the "yes/no" son is a'type' of Peter.
The "no/yes" son may be a type of a repented anyone (as the young ruler) who at first reneged God's calling. As for "The Rich Young Ruler" being the same person as the "rich man" Joseph in Matthew 27:57-60, I see no proof they are the same person as the only thing they have in common is that they both were rich and disciples of Jesus. Was the young ruler a disciple? Well, he called him "God Master" and in Mark he is said to have "kneeled" to Jesus before addressing Him as 'Master'.
---Nana on 3/17/14


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Oops ~ sorry Nana! I'm not on CN very often anymore. I mistakely thought Nana was short for "grandmother". Sorry brother!!!

I owe you this "BROTHER": The parable yes/no son I believe fits the disciple Simon Peter (Matt 26:31-35 & 69-75). The no/yes son I believe "likely" is the sorrowful rich young ruler (from Judea: Matt. 19:1). I believe he is later identified by what Matt. 27:57-60 says about Joseph ("a rich man" & disciple of Jesus, from the city of Arimathea in Judea).

This isn't a salvation issue so we can all agree to disagree with each other if need be. Thx for your patience. :)
---Leon on 3/15/14


"Be patient Sis. :) I believe the answer is hidden in plain sight."
---Leon on 3/15/14

I am not your Sister, I am your brother. 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Leon?
As to your insight into the Parable of The Two Sons with that of the rich young man, yes, the son which went not at first could be the same young man.
That it is the same it seems that there is not enough told to conclude for sure.

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The young ruler had a great start, as the Lord on hearing him "loved him"!
---Nana on 3/15/14


"enter into your mother womb a second time, impossible."
Scott1

"It happens all the time in prenatal surgery."

So this means Jesus and the Gospel of John is wrong. So glad I met Mr. Wise.

A baby may be moved in prenatal surgery but it does nothing on it's own.

Next, where is the record that a baby was born and reentered the birth canal to be born the second time?

This comment is just another snide sneaky attack on what God said and taught.

No Glory to Jesus Christ in those statements.
---Elder on 3/15/14


Nana: For the purpose of this discussion let's study & meditate upon the Parable of the Two Sons (Matt. 21:28-30). The first son (let's call him Joe) said no, but later did go & did his father's will. Now, the second son (let's call him Pete) said yes, but digressed (went in retreat) & thereby failed to do the father's will.

Be patient Sis. :) I believe the answer is hidden in plain sight.
---Leon on 3/15/14


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Leon,

Apparently you have an idea of where in Matthew it is implicated, if it it is not much trouble to you, where?
My blog was to point to the process described by Jesus as to whom He says he would love and manifest
himself to.
---Nana on 3/14/14


"...if something is only mentioned once, it's likely not nearly as important as something mentioned hundreds of times..."
---StrongAxe on 3/13/14


Good point 'Axe. Hence my question, "Is it likely the "Rich Young Ruler" was "indirectly" (by implication) spoken of, MORE THAN ONCE, anywhere else in the book of Matthew other than 19:16-24?"
---Leon on 3/14/14


Cluny:

You said: How many times does the Bible have to say something for it to be true?

Only once. However, if something is only mentioned once, it's likely not nearly as important as something mentioned hundreds of times. it's also dangerous to try to develop an elaborate doctrine out of a single verse.

For example, the Mormon's practice of "baptism for the dead" from misinterpreting a rhetorical comment by Paul, or the elaborate Jewish meat/milk dietary laws wildly extrapolated from "do not seethe a kid in its mother's milk".
---StrongAxe on 3/13/14


\\Thanks Nana, but Is it likely the "Rich Young Ruler" was spoken of anywhere else in the book of Matthew other than 19:16-24?
---Leon on 3/13/14\\

How many times does the Bible have to say something for it to be true?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14


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Thanks Nana, but Is it likely the "Rich Young Ruler" was spoken of anywhere else in the book of Matthew other than 19:16-24?
---Leon on 3/13/14


The same account in the book of Mark:
Mark 10:21 "Then Jesus beholding him loved him, ..."

Loved him?

John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?"
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
---Nana on 3/13/14


"No, not likely. The rich young ruler went away "sorrowful". He kept the commandments of God but refused to follow Jesus because of his worldly possessions. At that time the only way he had to learn the Word was by following Jesus and hearing Him teach. Matt 10:38-42."
---barb on 3/12/14

Barb: Yes, he went away "sorrowful" on that particular day. Is it not possible that at some point, during Jesus' walk on earth, the young ruler had a change of heart & became a follower of Jesus?

"Leon this is speculation.
'Old' in Nicodemus context is at least a day..."
---Scott1 on 3/12/14

What?! Your comment is marked with "speculation". :)
---Leon on 3/12/14


The rich young ruler did not keep the commands of God.
He may of kept the one's Jesus mentioned, according to him, but Jesus let him know the one he didn't keep.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" and "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart..."were ones that the ruler did not keep for he loved money more than God.
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
As for the question: the only man that seems close to the rich young ruler would be that of Lazarus' counterpart. Although he did not love his heighbour as the RYR had told Jesus he did.
---micha9344 on 3/12/14


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\\"Old" in Nicodemus context is at least a day. How do you enter into your mother womb a second time, impossible.
---Scott1 on 3/12/14\\

It happens all the time in prenatal surgery.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/12/14


No, not likely. The rich young ruler went away "sorrowful". He kept the commandments of God but refused to follow Jesus because of his worldly possessions. At that time the only way he had to learn the Word was by following Jesus and hearing Him teach. Matt 10:38-42.
---barb on 3/12/14


Leon this is speculation.
"Old" in Nicodemus context is at least a day. How do you enter into your mother womb a second time, impossible.
---Scott1 on 3/12/14


Scott: The pharisee Nicodemus declared himself to be "old" (Jn. 3:4). So, he would hardly fit the characteristics of a "rich young ruler".

Who made the argument & based upon what, the Bible or something else? My question has to do specifically with the Book of Matthew, nothing else.
---Leon on 3/11/14


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The argument has been made for Nicodemus and/or Joseph of Arimathaea John Ch. 3
---Scott1 on 3/11/14


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