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Does God Always Forgive

God commands us to forgive, yet the fact of hell indicates He does not always forgive. Is that inconsistent?

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Dear Luke. Please give me a scripture that agrees with your point.


Ecc 3:21

Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

GOD gives everyone life.


Ecc 12:7

Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

When JESUS returns again He will resurrect all of the Church.

When He comes the last time in Judgment He will resurrect the wicked. All the dead will have their spirit returned to them in the Resurrection.


Rev 20:5

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/28/14


//Their Spirits are with GOD awaiting the Resurrection, all spirits return to GOD.//


Dear Samuel,
You are correct that the spirits of those who are saved are with God. But not all spirits return to God. That is not what the passage is teaching. Solomon uses the imaginary of aging. The gloomy picture of old age does not negate the truth that old age can be blessed for the godly (Prov. 16:31), but it does remind the young that they will not have the ability to enjoy that blessing of a godly old age and a life of strong service to God if they do not remember their Creator while young.
---Luke on 4/26/14


Luke
I do believe they are in the sleep of death.

Their Spirits are with GOD awaiting the Resurrection, all spirits return to GOD.

Great verses they prove my point. The Bible does not say the dead are alive in Heaven with all the wicked.
1 Thess 4:14,15 show my point. The Spirits of the righteous dead are brought back to reunite with the Body and then the dead Saints wake up and come back to life and those who are alive meet together.
Jude and Zech are about the Coming in judgment called the Great White Throne Judgment not the Second Coming.
Remember JESUS promised to come back and get us. John14:2

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day
---Samuelbb7 on 4/24/14


//But that does not change what the Bible teaches that the dead are asleep.//

Dear Samuel,
The Bible does mention the dead are asleep, but that does not mean they are. It is a figure of speech. You cannot possibly believe they are asleep do you? They turn to dust. You gave (John 11:23,24) but Jesus said in (John 11:12,13)
"Then His disciples said, "Lord, if he sleeps he will get well." However, Jesus spoke of his death, but they thought that He was speaking about taking rest in sleep."
Second, at the Second Coming of Christ, the saints come with Jesus. The saints who have died a physical death are already with Christ, and will come with Him
(Zech. 14:5: 1 Thess. 3:13: 1 Tess. 4:14: Jude 1:14)
---Luke on 4/23/14


Strong's if memory serves me does give the different definitions and where they are used.

But that does not change what the Bible teaches that the dead are asleep. That it is the Spirit which of all human being return to GOD. As Scripture says.

That the dead are raised with the living. They are not already in heaven at death.


Jhn 11:23,24

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/22/14




Dear Samuel,
While it is great to use concordances to look up certain subjects that contain words, concordances do not give you the definition of words in each passage. Take the word "Pneuma"
it can mean the wind in (John 3:8)
it can mean the breath (2 Thess. 2:8: Rev. 11:11, 13:15)
It can mean the immaterial, invisible part of man (Luke 8:55: 24:37,39: Acts 7:59: 1 Cor. 5:3-5: etc,)
It can mean man, the resurrection body (1 Cor. 15:45: 1 Peter 3:18).
It can also mean the element in man by which he perceives, reflects, feels, desires (Matt. 5:3: 26:41: Mark 2:8).
It can also mean the Holy Spirit (Matt. 4:1: Luke 4:18). And I am not even half through what the word means in different passages.
---Luke on 4/19/14


Luke
I use the Strongs Concordance on line. It lists every place a word is used.
Let me make a suggestion. Take all the verses that agree with your current understanding and write them down with how they support that view. Then write down all the ones I have posted on another paper. Then compare the two papers and reconcile them. For our doctrines have to reconcile all scripture on a topic. We mostly agree what happens at the Resurrection.

Jas 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
But why do they need physical bodies since they already have some sort of body in heaven now?
That phrase is used only once in First Thess. 3:13 I will comment on latter.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/18/14


//So our resurrection body leaves our body at death and then is resurrected at the Second Coming. How does that work?//

Dear Samuel, I did not say our resurrect body leaves our body, I said our spirit/soul leaves our physical body, and at the Second coming of Christ our physical bodies will resurrect glorified. From corruptible to incorruptible. When Jesus comes, He comes with His saints. What saints are this? They are those who have died physically already.
I suggest you get yourself Lexical material to look up the word body (that means physical body) soul and spirit. Those born of the Spirit are forever connected to Christ. Spiritually baptized into One body in Christ from the moment he is made spiritually alive by God.
---Luke on 4/18/14


God always forgives when as a sinner we ask for forgiveness then after we are saved we still seek forgiveness for sin. Pseudo means false, fake, not real but pretends to be real.
---shira4368 on 4/17/14


The definition of "spirit" "Pneuma" means the immaterial, invisible part of man, the resurrection body, the inward man, and many more. It communicates with God.
The ungodly do not have a relationship with God. They are spiritually dead.
Luke From Mercy at time of death.

So our resurrection body leaves our body at death and then is resurrected at the Second Coming. How does that work?


1Th 4:16

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

If they are already in Heaven how shall they rise from the dead?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/17/14




Proverbs 26:8 "As he that bindeth a stone in a sling, so is he that giveth honour to a fool."
---Nana on 4/16/14


Dear Luke I will endeavor to answer you correctly.

I am not under law but in JESUS. So I am saved. A saved person loves the law of GOD. Romans 6.

1John 5:3

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Christians want to obey GOD because they are saved. The law shows love in action. To steal I have to not love. All of the Ten Commandments can only be broken by not loving actions.

So obeying the law is acting in love.

You agree the law exists. Do you agree that sin is disobeying the law?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/16/14


//1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Since we can sin there must be the law.//

Dear Samuel, you do not leave the law behind, you want to stay under it. What happens to your faith in Jesus Christ and His works on the cross on your behalf? His works on the cross would mean nothing. You are hanging on to the law, trying to fulfill it on your own. No one can fulfill the whole law. If we could we would not need Christ. Is there a reason why you hang on to the law?
Of course the law still exist. But we are not under it. If we were we would still be condemned. I don't understand your stance. Can you help me understand? Agape
---Luke on 4/16/14


Yes Luke you are absolutely correct. We agree.


1Jo 3:4

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Since we can sin there must be the law.


Rom 7:7

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/15/14


//So true Luke. But giving up sin means we have to die to self. But self keeps creeping back in.//

Dear Samuel,
we will always struggle with sin in this life. That is why the flesh will die a physical death. But we Have the Spirit of Christ living within us, always speaking on our behalf. The advantage we have now is that we can pray in the spirit, and God will hear us through the Person of Jesus Christ who is our Mediator.
Each day we die to sin, Less and less sin, becoming more Christ like, changing everyday, praise our God and Savior Jesus Christ who speaks on our behalf, Agape
---Luke on 4/15/14


Rom 6:6

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Gal 2:20

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

So true Luke. But giving up sin means we have to die to self. But self keeps creeping back in. May GOD bless and keep you and your loved ones.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/14/14


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Mi esposa, (the real Nana) es cubana tambien. I adopted her given name (by one of our grandkids) as a pseudonym to always have her in my presence while blogging here.
---Nana on 4/14/14


To Bro.Nana, forgive the "jess" type error,Bro.Nana I am legally blind (mediaciega) they have cpr in fon for the blind,or visually impaired to help me, but, it makes mistake, sometimes..thankyou for response.
Mis raices son de Cuba,aqui estoy de muy pequena como 7 anos y despues volvi y me permitieron quedar a, los 12, anos.all my family
have fought in every american war.
Thankyou, for your response. God bless you, Bro.Nana in Jesus name.
Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/14/14


Dear Samuel,
Thank you brother for your comment. What I have found out is that God commands us to do a lot of things we are not capable of doing. We don't always forgive. Very few do every time. He commands us to not sin. Yet He knows we are all sinners saved by His grace.
He commands us to be Holy, as He is holy, and we are not able to be holy in this flesh.
Why does He do that?
Because He cannot ask for anything less. He is Holy, Just and righteous. He cannot ask us to sin a little, or be just a little holy or only forgive sometimes. Agape
---Luke on 4/14/14


Amen Luke that is a great comment.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/14


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//GOD forgives All who asks for His forgiveness from a truly repentant heart.//

That is a very true statement. Only a heart that is contrite is eligible for forgiveness. Some might believe they have been forgiven but they might be wrong if their heart was not right before God. We are called to make our assurance sure.
---Luke on 4/10/14


GOD forgives All who asks for His forgiveness from a truly repentant heart.
---Adetunji on 4/7/14


Thank you Luke and Elena.

Both good points.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/14


To Bro.Strongaxe, all respect to you.
The sinner you speak of ..sounds alot
like someone, at one time was in my life, people like these think they can even "outsmart"the holy sovereign God! It' called "poetic justice!" ....they want the easy-way out. Yet, no compassion.for the lives, they destroyed. Mt.18:2,3,4,5,6.
---Elena9555 on 4/7/14


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Dear Samuel, how about the story of the murderer who stood in front of the judge and said, "It was predetermined that I kill that guy" and the Judge said,
"It was predetermined that I sent you to death."

I guess, not as funny. Just another saying.
---Luke on 4/6/14


Great Point StrongAx I agree.

Cluny why mess up a decent allegory with facts.

:)

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/4/14


Samuelbb7:

I once read a story about a man who decided that he would repent later in his life - no need to do it now. Later, on his deathbead, he was in agony because he wanted to repent before he died, but he just couldn't do it. He died in torment.
---StrongAxe on 4/3/14


\\The sun shines on wet Concrete and make it harder. \\

The sun doesn't have to shine on concrete to harden it.

Some kinds of concrete can cure underwater where the sun does not shine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/14


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The sun shines on wet Concrete and make it harder.

It shines on butter and melts it.

The sun did not make one harder and melt the other.

It just revealed what the substance was made of. A long time ago Methodist used to preach do not sin away your day of grace. They taught then that the more you sin the harder it was to repent.

I agree with this point.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/3/14


12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/14


"God holds out his hands to a rebellious people (Romans 10:21), but ordains a hardening that consigns them for a time to disobedience."
John Piper

"And since God is the restrainer of sin He could make one of two decisions, stop him from sinning, or permit him to continue to sin even more."
So then, when a christian sins, has God consigned them to disobedience? God does not make anyone do evil. Paul says, "flee fornication". It does not say that God will stop or permit you to it.

Go see what John Piper says about that.
Piper and you are sick puppies, Lisa.
---Nana on 4/1/14


God did not put evil in Pharaoh. Pharaoh was evil already. And since God is the restrainer of sin He could make one of two decisions, stop him from sinning, or permit him to continue to sin even more.
God always makes decisions to fulfill His plan. If He wants to take a life, He takes it.
"for in Him we live and move and have our being,.." Acts 17:28.
In Romans 11:25-26 Paul says to his Gentile readers:
"Let you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers, A partial hardening has come upon Israel.." God hold out His hands to a rebellious people (Romans 10:21), but ordains a hardening that consigns them for a time to disobedience.
---Luke on 4/1/14


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Pharaoh hardened his heart so many times but in the end, God hardened his heart. We can all learn a lesson from this scripture. We need to obey God so our hearts won't be hardened.
---shira4368 on 3/31/14


Pharaoh was just like these, Ephesians 4:17 "This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind, Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness."

"I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go." It is not as if Pharaoh had it in his heart to free them already. Are you insinuating that God put evil in Pharaoh's heart?
---Nana on 3/31/14


God NEVER WILLS that man sin...period.

It is against God's whole nature to will sin.

You can go on and on and on MarkV... we've all been through this garbage before.

And we all know what you teach is lies. So no one here is really worried about what you post.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/14


//God gave to Pharaoh more hardening of the heart over that he had. Exodus 1 tells of the wickedness of Pharaoh towards God's people.//

What we do know is that Pharaoh was a mean person already, and when God hardened his heart, it means he got worse and sinned more. So we know he sinned more because God hardened his heart. He was already bad, he got worse and committed more sin. That was the will of God at that moment. Many other stories God commands to not sin, but here He willed that Pharaoh sin more by hardening his heart.
---Luke on 3/31/14


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Absolutely kathr4453, absolutely!
Thanks

1 Samuel 2:30 "... Be it far from me, for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed."

Matthew 13:12 "For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath."
Matthew 13:15 "..., lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."

God gave to Pharaoh more hardening of the heart over that he had. Exodus 1 tells of the wickedness of Pharaoh towards God's people.
---Nana on 3/30/14


The point is not the sin they committed, all are sinners before God. The point is, God is the restrainer of sin. In one sense He stop's it. In other sense He permits it to continue even worse.
In Ex. 8:1 God tells Moses
"go in to Pharaoh and say to him, "Thus says the Lord, Let My people ago, that they may serve Me" Here God's will is, that Pharaoh let the Israelites go."
But in Ex. 4:21 God tells Moses,
"when you go back to Egypt, see that you do before Pharaoh all the miracles that I have put in your power, But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go"
We see that God commanded that Pharaoh do a thing that God Himself willed not to allow.
---Luke on 3/30/14


John Gill in his commentary of 1 Samuel 2:25 says, "... because the Lord would slay them, it was his purpose and decree, his will and pleasure, to cut them off for their wickedness, wherefore he gave them up to a judicial blindness, and hardness of heart, as he did Pharaoh, so that they were proof against all advice, admonitions, and arguments used with them..."

Likewise in Romans 1, "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections..."

The meritorious cause was their wickedness not God's judgement to slay them, Romans 1:32 "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
---Nana on 3/29/14


Nana, I agree. Eli also saw death. God judged Eli as well. Before kings! Israel had judges and high priests. Eli was at that time the highest authority in Israel. Then came Saul.....woops, another judged by God for sin.

If God didn't ask Eli to talk to his sons, it was not of God to begin with, that they should hear Eli. The Holy Spirit was not in it speaking through Eli. If the Holy Spirit was not in it, they were not able to hear their fathers self efforts of rebuking.

There is a point when one's conscience has been seared. This was the time. It's that simple Markv.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/14


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//This cat justifies Eli and at the same time takes the son's blame and put it on God as the author.//

The Word of the Lord,
"If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him, but if a man sin against the Lord, who shall entreat for him?
"Nevertheless they did not heed the voice of their father, because the Lord desired to kill them"
1 Samuel 2"25.

This cat did not write this in the Bible, I promise. I copied it down from the Bible.
---Luke on 3/29/14


"... and because of that you totally twist scripture."
---kathr4453 on 3/27/14

Yes, that is the way it is. In Samuel 3:11_14 we read God's word against Eli, "..., because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not." However dimwit may stress Eli's 'good counsel' to his sons, God had issue with him in that he "restrained them not"and with the sons because they "made themselves vile". This cat justifies Eli and at the same time takes the son's blame and put it on God as the author.

"it had to do with one already God's chosen who defiled his office and calling." Asolutely! 1 Samuel 2:27_28 is sobering in that regard for sure!
---Nana on 3/27/14


Eli's sons were priests. there were already rules in place for those who held the office of a priest making sacrifices for sin. Just like 1st John says today.." there is a sin unto death" that will come on a believer because of a sin not worthy to mention. I'm sure it has to do with totally defiling the office one has been called to. It's not like Eli's sons didn't KNOW what sin was and that they were committing it. So this has NOTHING to do with initial salvation for anyone. it had to do with one already God's chosen who defiled his office and calling.

MarkV, it is amazing how little you know and understand, and because of that you totally twist scripture.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/14


Dear Samuel, the passage is clear, very clear when it says,

"Nevertheless they did not heed the voice of their father, "because the Lord desired to kill them"

It clearly says, "they did not listen to the voice of their fathers because the Lord desired to kill them."
Why would the sons of Eli not heed their father's good counsel? The answer of the text is
"for it was the will of the Lord to put them to death."
---Luke on 3/27/14


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Luke you used the word influence. The sons of Eli were already decided and GOD knew that would be their choice. So he did not force them but his influence helped show who and what they were. So it was their choice to be lost.

He had to set an example that Birth and position does not exempt a person from the punishment of GOD.

GOD has to destroy evil to cleanse the universe of sin. He will not make sin eternal to stain the Universe with it for all eternity. So there cannot be an eternal burning hell.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/26/14


1 Samuel 3:11_14 "And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that heareth it shall tingle. In that day I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house: when I begin, I will also make an end. For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth, because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not. And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever."

Lisa, you lie.
---Nana on 3/26/14


1 Samuel 2:24,25

" No my sons, For it is not a good report that I hear. You make the Lord's people transgress. If one man sins against another, God will judge him. But if a man sins against the Lord, who will intercede for him? Nevertheless they did not heed the voice of their father, "because the Lord desired to kill them"

They did not listen to the voice of their fathers because the Lord desired to kill them.
---Luke on 3/26/14


Many unbelievers are already burning in hell. ---Leon on 3/21/14
Scripture to support this statement?

Regarding the question. God always forgives when we sincerely acknowledge our wrongs and desire sincerely to follow God's will for us and do so with God's help.
---therese on 3/25/14


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1 Samuel 2:27_31 "And there came a man of God unto Eli, ... Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation, and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people? Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me, for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed. Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house."

Lisa, you blaspheme the word of God.
---Nana on 3/25/14


//Those who choose to die in hell. That is their choice.//

Samuel you forget that God influences many times for human evil to run its course. Remember the story of Eli sons? God meant to put the sons of Eli to death. He willed that they not listen to their father's counsel in (1 Samuel 2:22-25).
Why would the sons of Eli not heed their fathers good counsel? The answer on the text is,
"for it was the will of the Lord to put them to death" (v. 25). We must say that in one sense God willed that the sons of Eli go on doing what He commanded them not to do, dishonoring their father and committing sexual immorality.
---Luke on 3/25/14


Dear Geraldine, very good question concerning God. The Bible does not contradict, that we know. That said, I want to explain something to you. We are told,
"Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?" (Ezekiel 18:23)
Then you look at (Deuteronomy 28:63) where Moses warns about the coming judgment on unrepentant Israel. What he says is strikingly different, not contradictory, he says,
"And as the Lord took delight in doing you good and multiplying you, so the Lord will take delight in bringing ruin upon you and destroying you."
We are faced with the inescapable biblical fact that in some sense God does not delight in the death of the wicked and in some sense He does.
How is that for a paradox?
---Luke on 3/22/14


Geraldine: God is always God, consistent (always the same). (Heb. 13:8)

Hell was made for the devil & his angels. (Matt. 25:41)

God's forgiveness (Jn. 3:16) is for everyone who is willing to repent of their sin & believe on Jesus Christ. God doesn't send anyone to hell. People choose their way into hell when they reject God's Word/Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Where is hell? it certainly isn't in "hello". :) Hell, like God's kingdom come, begins right here on planet earth. Many unbelievers are already burning in hell. Yet, many believers are already dwelling in God's heavenly kingdom while living upon earth.
---Leon on 3/21/14


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Always because if he does not is not God is man made. And we know man did not make up God because man is not that intelligent
---Bryan on 3/18/14


\\Manna which was fed to the Israelite was called angel's food so there bakers in heaven.\\

That's a needlessly puerile interpretation of that passage.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/17/14


GOD is always willing and wanting to forgive but if a person chooses to not be saved and not ask for forgiveness then they will not be forgiven.

Those who choose to die in hell. That is their choice.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14


Cluny, "Relax and let God love you" sounds like good advice, and I will do it, with his help.
---Geraldine on 3/16/14


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"Does God Always Forgive" No.
" If you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses." Mat 6:15
---josef on 3/16/14


When one dies its the body that dies but the Spirit lives forever and there is no gender after Resurrection. I don't think there will be people who will be just sited at the master's feet. God is a worker, meaning we shall be working in heaven, just as angels worship God daily. Manna which was fed to the Israelite was called angel's food so there bakers in heaven.
---Lydia on 3/17/14


Geraldine, God is always forgiving when a person is repented. When a person has a contrite heart, it is because God has already convicted him of sin. He will repent and God will forgive him. God is always faithful with His promises.
---Luke on 3/17/14


when I die, I don't want to be reincarnated to stay in this world. I just want to rest at the Saviors feet. This world is way or wicked to want to live here. This world is not my home, I just a passing thru.
---shira4368 on 3/16/14


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\\Or could our souls be reincarnated over and over until we can die sinless?
---Geraldine on 3/15/14
\\

There is no such thing as reincarnation.

That teaching is based on the false notion that our human bodies are not an essential part of our human natures. Furthermore, in the full blown reincarnation doctrine, you could be reincarnated as a lower animal, or even a plant. (Some forms of Judaism teach this.)

Geraldine, your OCD/scrupulosity is showing again.

Relax, and let God love you, OK?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/16/14


The way I understand forgiveness is that we must first humble ourselves before God and confess our sins in real humility. Once forgiven I believe we stay forgiven (of those particular sins) because the bible tells us that God "remembers them no more". That is the part which human being cannot do. We say we forgive but we are incapable of forgetting them and tend to bring up the subject when it suits us.

The sins which God has not forgiven will be those for which we showed no real sorrow and did not repent. Those will be the ones which still sting our conscience now and again.
---Rita_H on 3/15/14


Cluny, God knows the time of our death before we die. Does that time relate to our sins which have been or have not been confessed. Does he control whether or not we have time to confess before dying? Or could our souls be reincarnated over and over until we can die sinless?
---Geraldine on 3/15/14


Because the body of Christ has always refused to read scripture for themselves and realize the REAL truth, the modern body has alot of "dross" in it.

Jesus said to His Father...

that all have been safeguarded "AND NONE US LOST..." but the son of perdition, (John 17:12).

So if you refuse to learn anything except what you've been taught, whose "SON" (the result/outcome of perdition),
whose "SON" will you be?.

Hebrews 12:25
"Do not refuse him who is speaking...".All verses are from the RSV.
---faithforfaith on 3/14/14


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Geraldene you do not mentioned repentance. I believe that God DOES forgive those who repent of their sins, admitting that what they did was wrong/sinful. Many will not humble themselves to do that. If they die in that same state, having not asked for forgiveness then they will not be forgiven.
---Rita_H on 3/14/14


\\'They have not asked for God's forgivness'- Cluny/trey.

But thats not the question. The question is- does God forgive?\\

And I've already answered that question.

God forgives those who ask Him to forgive them, until that last moment when God will tell a rebellious soul, "Very well. THY will be done."

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/14


Geraldine: Why does human system put some persons behind prison walls (I am not talking about those who were mistakenly imprisoned but those justly jailed)? Does it mean that human beings do not forgive (the reason for jailing people)?
---Adetunji on 3/14/14


There is no such place where people are sent to burn eternally. This is a pagan belief adopted by all false religions.

'They have not asked for God's forgivness'- Cluny/trey.

But thats not the question. The question is- does God forgive? The answer is yes, when there is a basis for forgivness, God will forgive. Even if someone is inherently wicked, God does not hold a grudge and burn that person for all eternity. The punishment for wickedness is eternal destruction and death... not eternal life. Eternal life is a gift from God, not a punishment- Ro.6:23.

It is not in God's heart to burn people- Jer.7:31. It is also against Divine justice to punish someone for all eternity for a life as a sinner for 70/80 years- Ro.6:7.
---David8318 on 3/14/14


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Geraldine, Christ taught us to forgive:
Mt18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

We also read:
1John1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteous.

I can assure you that those who will burn eternally in the lake of fire, and whose worm never dies do not ask for forgiveness. They hate God. They are the wicked.
---trey on 3/13/14


God is love and He is consistent in his word of forgiveness. Everyone can be forgiven if they accept Jesus in their hearts, but the devil and his angels can never do this. So they will go to hell, to burn forever.
---Lydia on 3/14/14


Interesting question, if someone believes they are saved due to forgiveness of sin.

Forgiveness of sin does not save you, it makes you presentable to God, presentable so we can be in a relationship with God.

Without the blood of Jesus Christ, which cleanses us when we confess sin, this would be impossible. That's why the world needed a savior.
---David on 3/14/14


Hebrews 2:14

"that through death he might destroy him who has the power of death, that is, the devil,...".

God performed "forgiveness" 2,000 years ago by putting His Son on the cross ("It is DONE").

It (foregiveness) shall ALWAYS BE (it will never become UNDONE).

The devil has been destroyed (for those who will have/accept/rely on GOD'S "righteousness"......many refuse to accept the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD (they'd rather rely on THEIR OWN "righteousness).

...but if you refuse to accept THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD (His blessing from the cross), then, FOR YOU, the devil is still real (for the rest of us, satan is DEAD).
---faithforfaith on 3/13/14


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1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Rom 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
-It is not God's fault, for He has provided a Way.
---micha9344 on 3/13/14


Do not confuse forgiveness with overlook or ignoreing sin. Sin has consequences no matter what and sin always leads to death. Even God himself cannot ignore or overlook this aspect of sin because he is holy and righteous. Therefore the person who commits the sin must die or a substitute must stand in his place. Thus we have Jesus on the cross. God commands us, christians to forgive
1) because he has forgiven us
2) because he created everyone, and unforgiveness toward someone says I am greater than someone else
3) Forgiveness is not for the sinner but the offended, which is what God did for us
---Scott1 on 3/13/14


No.

Those in hell have not asked for God's forgiveness.

Or maybe they have not forgiven others. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/13/14


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