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What Is Repentance

Please explain repentance. What is repentance? Where does it start? How important is repentance?

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---kathr4453 on 4/2/14
Most excellent, most excellent!

"Faithful to that which they were already taught and believed and obeyed."
Absolutely.

John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."
---Nana on 4/2/14


Karthr - give your explanation of Gods Sheep using - John - 6 and 10 -

---RichardC on 4/1/14

RichardC, the SHEEP is in reference to Israel, not Gentiles. throughout scripture SHEEP have always referred to Israel. There are sheep, and the Lost sheep of Israel. The JEWS Jesus picked (notice no Gentiles were picked) to be His Apostles, already had faith in the coming redeemer. And through out Israel there was and has always been the Faithful. Faithful to that which they were already taught and believed and obeyed. So the "MY SHEEP who hear my voice" Jesus was talking about those in ISRAEL who were already the faithful and knew who Jesus was.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/14


Repentance cannot begin until a person accepts that what they did was sinful. Some 'Christians' are not very serious about sin. They will do many things which God will surely not approve of but will treat that lightly ("because everybody does it") If we cannot honestly accept that a certain behaviour is wrong we cannot confess and repent and will not be forgiven i.m.o. I have friends who disagree and tell me I'm very petty about some issues. I feel that is to their loss to feel that way as God sees and knows ALL.

I have to go now - won't be here for some time so cannot reply to anything anyone asks me, sorry.
---andreea on 4/2/14


Karthr - give your explanation of Gods Sheep using - John - 6 and 10 -
---RichardC on 4/1/14


Thank you Barry. Excellent.

ALL WE LIKE SHEEP HAVE GONE ASTRAY. SO THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SELECTED SHEEP WHO HAVE NOT.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/14




The Bible portrays repentance as a gift, a work of grace to turn a heart toward Himself. Repentance is more than only turning from sin, it's more a turning to God first, then we see ourselves through His eyes and we like Isaiah cry out "Woe is me for I am a man of unclean lips." Repentance is not turning away from sin by the act of the human will alone and its here that so many believers get it wrong and their commitments do not last because of it. In order for the gift of repentance to flow, the Gospel has to be preached for it contains the power of God. The Gospel causes God's Spirit to move, He bears witness to the Truth, He convicts us of our sin and our need for Jesus and He, the Spirit, He empowers the repentance.
---Barry_Stoffberg on 3/29/14


John 10:27 - My Sheep hear my voice, and they follow me.
John 10:28 - And I give them eternal life: and they shall never perish,neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand,
John 10:29 - My father which gave them me , is greater than all , and no man able to pluck them out of my Fathers hand,

John 6:37 - All that the Father Giveth Me Shall come to Me: and him that cometh to me I will in no wise case out,
John 6:38 - For I came down from heaven , not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me,
John 6:39 - And this is the Father will hath sent me, That of All which he hath Given Me I should lose Nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day,
---RichardC on 3/28/14


Rev 3:20 ...if any man hear my voice...
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne...
1Jo 5:4-5 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
---micha9344 on 3/28/14


Even if God did GRANT you repentance, that still doesn't automatically make you an OVERCOMER.

we need to overcome the World, Satan, false teachers, human teachers ...all of it.

It appears you have a long way to go Markv. When you have overcome Calvinism, you will be on your way!
---kathr4453 on 3/28/14


Revelation 3: 20'Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. 21HE WHO OVERCOMES I WILL GRANT to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. 22'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'"


Well, Markv, let's pray in the end you have been GRANTED the right to sit down with Christ on His Throne. It may be perhaps you may not be granted this right!
---kathr4453 on 3/28/14




When God grants something to the believer it is always a gift. The believer does not pay for it, nor does he deserve it.

""Then to the Gentiles also hath God granted repentance unto life" Acts 11:18.

"John answered, "No one can receive anything except what is given him from heaven" John 3:27.

"God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" 2 Tim. 2:25,26.

"For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in Him but also suffer for His sake" Philippians 1:29.
---Luke on 3/28/14


Yea, both Israel AND THE GENTILES are given the ability to repent believe and find salvation. Praise God Markv, God included you a Gentile.

So we see God did not CUT OFF Israel, and Gentiles are offered salvation. Praise God. So who then is excluded?????NO ONE. There are no other groups. God didn't offer salvation to animals or angels or even fishies. but Jews and Gentiles only. no Martians, or xmen, or transformers...but Jews and Gentiles...the Circumcision AND the uncircumcision.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/14


Repentance is being shown by the Holy Spirit that you have committed a sin, being sorry for that sin, asking forgiveness, making retribution and determining never to commit that sin again. Matt 21:28-32.

Jesus preached repentance. Matt 4:16-17. John the Baptist preached repentance also. Matt 3:1-12. You cannot be forgiven unless you repent.

Some people will never repent because they will never admit that have been following the wrong teacher. Rev. 16:8-11.
---barb on 3/27/14


acts 18:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ,
what was I, that I could withstand God?

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

The gift here is the Holy Spirit.

WOW was Peter and the other Jews ever shocked that even Gentiles received the Gift of the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation.
---kathr453 on 3/27/14


Repentance is equally declared to be a gift of God.

"Then to the Gentiles also hath God granted repentance unto life" Acts 11:18.

"Him did God exalt with His right hand to be a Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and remission of sins" Acts 5:31.

Paul rebuked those who did not realize that it was the goodness of God which led them to repentance Romans 2:4.
---Luke on 3/27/14


So of coarse to be saved BY GRACE is ALL OF GOD, and is most definitely a gift from God. For God So loved the world HE GAVE the Gift of His only begotten Son To die on a cross for ours sin? THAT IS THE GIFT. When you call faith the gift, WOW, you all shortchange the real gift and slap God right in the face. How insulting is that. The Gift is the Gift of RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. The RIGHTEOUSNESS OF CHRIST. Of coarse it is of God. Romans 5 say it 2 times...just to get the POINT a cross. Romans 5 is salvation for dummies.

So FAITH is our part. Such a small
part too. And something God has made easy enough for rich and poor, stupid or smart, young and old, black, white.....it has no discriminating boundaries.
---kathr4453 on 3/27/14


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Romans 5

5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Yea, come boldly to the throne of Grace.....and I came by faith to this throne.


Oh please keep reading Romans 5.... It gets better and better and even better than that.
---kathr453 on 3/27/14


RichardC , we are saved BY GRACE, through faith. The BY GRACE IS MOST IMPORTANT, and should not be left out.

Now Paul tells us what "grace" is in the NT. Grace is the finished works of Christ. We are saved by the finished works of Christ called Grace.

Galatians says one can fall from Grace. How you ask? By going back under the law. "I do not make VOID the Grace of God". For If righteousness comes by keeping the law, CHRIST DIED IN VAIN.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14


Trey: Let me try and answer the question you stated to me. First, to refresh your memory,
"repentance" means to "turn around". Picture the cross, and the non-Christian is waking away from the cross. Something transpires that causing him to walk towards the cross. This is "repentance". It may be a sudden turn, or in my case, a slow turning caused by events. In either case, something has transpired to make that person come to realize that they need Christ as Savoir and it is this realization that causing a person to repent, (or turn towards around and "walk" towards the cross and not away from it.
---wivv on 3/26/14


Ephesians 2:8 - For by Grace ye are saved thought Faith not of yourselves it is a Gift of God,

" Not of yourselves "
---RichardC on 3/26/14


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Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
"By" here is the Greek root "dia", the same root as "through" in Rom 3:30.
"By" in Rom 3:30 is the Greek root "ek."
---micha9344 on 3/26/14


Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

This should not be hard.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14


Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall:

1) justify the circumcision by faith,

2)and uncircumcision through faith.



Ok now let's do this again. are you saying justification is not part of salvation?

We see it is GOD and not man here. so BY FAITH is still God!
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14


Luke, or should I say MarkV, there are more verses that say BY FAITH than THROUGH Faith. Count them. I believe it is twice as much. and a good lesson for you today would be to READ all those verses that say by faith, and all that say through faith.

I know you want to sound so SMART here, but in doing so you have opened yourself up once again to ignorance of ALL scripture. You wanted to make an ISSUE out of something you have no clue what, but just for the sake of making an issue you want to appear smarter. You failed miserably at it. Some things should just be left alone by you.

Paul clearly states there IS a difference. YOU just don't know what that difference is.

WHY did Paul even stated this verse in the first place?
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14


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Saved by grace through faith, not by faith.
---Luke on 3/25/14

So here were your first words, and now you want to back track.

But since you believe OT saints were saved, as do I, look at Hebrews 11 and see ALL say BY FAITH.

"By faith" in what Markv? Obedience to what God originally spoke?

You still want to say faith has no obedience attached. If you place faith in God's Word, His Promises, His Son, that is obedience of faith.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/14


//So Luke, concerning your last post, we have one group BY faith and another group THROUGH faith. Do you know the difference between the two?//

There is a big difference.
Paul our great Apostle often says that we are saved "through" faith, (that is, as the instrumental cause), but never once does he say that we are saved "on account of" faith (that is, as the meritorious cause).
A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved. Even the beginning of faith, the disposition to seek salvation, is itself a work of grace and the gift of God.
The Christians in Achaia had "believed" through grace" Acts 18:27.
---Luke on 3/26/14


Hebrews 12:2 - Looking unto Jesus the author and the Finisher of our faith, : who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross , despising the shame , and is set down at right hand of the throne of God,

Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him , not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is God by faith,

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ,
---RichardC on 3/25/14


Romans 3:30
Seeing it is one God, which shall:

1) justify the circumcision by faith,

2)and uncircumcision through faith.

So Luke, concerning your last post, we have one group BY faith and another group THROUGH faith. Do you know the difference between the two?
---kathr4453 on 3/25/14


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//For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is a the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast// Ephesians 2:8,9.
Saved by grace through faith, not by faith. It is the gift of God so that no one boasts that it was their faith, and not God's.
Paul says concerning some who would base salvation on their own merits, that "going about to establish their own righteousness, they did not submit themselves to the righteousness of God"
---Luke on 3/25/14


Thank you Kathr good point.

Tares in the church are people who say and may even think they are saved. Like those in Matthew 25 who say the words but do not really love others.

Hypocrites who look right but really hate. We know them for they are always judging others.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/25/14


Romans 3:27

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith..

I believe Paul answered this question very well.

Works is the works of the law. Any time works is stated, it means the LAW. But faith is not of the LAW,
therefore it is not considered works.

Surely you know what the law of faith is. Paul isn't talking about the law of Moses here. Just like the LAW of Liberty is not the law of Moses either.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/14


Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:12
And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/14


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Kathr - 3/24 - One responds to the gospel message :

Karthr - If this is so then why would there be Tares in the Church, Even when a person has Faith they can still have trouble with sin , Because they are still in the flesh, and if we have a person that is keeping the law pretty Good, you can not be saved by any works of righteousness - Titus 3:5, Faith with out works is dead - This is true - but you can not be saved by Works or righteousness, because Christ did all the work on the cross
Then the next part comes in - Once a person is under Grace - Born again they are not under the law any more - Romans 6:15 - 1 John 3:9
---RichardC on 3/24/14


I am getting a little bewildered about this happens then that and it must be this way.

---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/14

When someone teaches that God only re-births/reincarnates the dead spirit????? of certain people,that is bewildering. or that some are going to wake up in heaven and have no clue how they got there, and the answer they give is ..."because they are one of the elect". is bewildering.

Firstly faith comes by hearing, not by rebirthing or reincarnation or election.
So no one is saved unless one HEARS the Gospel first. After hearing the Gospel, one responds to the Gospel message. The message is to SINNERS still in their sin. Those who respond, GOD JUSTIFIED THE UNGODLY a that moment.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/14


I am getting a little bewildered about this happens then that and it must be this way.

GOD saves us and it all works together. We trust in GOD and I will let him work out all the little details.

This I know I was once lost but now I am saved. I once was hopeless but now I have an everlasting hope in JESUS CHRIST my LORD and Saviour.

I know I am to Love GOD and love people. Which leads me to hate sin and love to do good.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/24/14


I give God ALL the Glory, as I know Abraham did as well. Those who have the faith of Abraham, is the criteria of faith. Abraham simply believed God and God accounted Abraham's trust in God alone to bring about those promises. What we do see first is Abraham had a laps of that faith and went about on his own to make it happen. That lapse brought Ishmael into this world. Yet in all of that God STILL kept his promise and Sarah conceived and had Isaac? God gets ALL the Glory. Sarah's womb was barren. YET, her's wasn't like the virgin birth either. She and Abraham had to do something first...get it. Mary didn't. get it. Our salvation is not equated to Mary, but to Abraham and Sarah. The virgin birth was prophesied. It only happened once.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


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Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling,

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Yes Trey, keeping these verses in perspective. ONE FAITH means one and only one way to heaven...faith in Jesus Christ.

Being Born Again BY the Word of God. ok so WHO is the Word of God? Ans, Jesus Christ. The Word of God is living and powerful ans sharper than a two edge sword, and has the POWER to penetrate Into the most horrible sinner.

When you preach TRUTH, POWER accompanies. Anyone who has a GIFT and uses it KNOWS this. And the GIFT of evangelism is a Gift with POWER to preach to lost sinners.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


Trey, I understand FAITH perfectly.

Faith is in God's promises Trey. The Gospel is to ALL, therefore the faith "for salvation" is given to ALL.

Then there is sanctifying faith. With this kind of faith you have to understand James 1. For the saved only.

Then there's faith Romans 12, for our gifts given to us. That is only for the saved.

Then there is the fruit of the spirit, where faith is mentioned. This comes like all the other fruit as a result of our being crucified with Christ. To saved only.

Yet each and every category WE have to be actively involved and OBEY. We DON'T have to walk in the spirit, we DON'T have to "endure" trials and stay obedient. Many DON'Tuse their Gift.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


To say one is born again first BEFORE they exercise faith is sheer nonsense. Unless of coarse the word BORN AGAIN is given an altogether different meaning than what scripture gives it. And I do believe this is the case here with many.

To be born again does not mean the second time around. It does not mean your spirit died with Adams sin, and is made alive so that you can believe. The first man Adam was carnal, earthly and not spiritual to begin with. 1cor 15. So no reincarnation or re-birthing took place for you to believe. THAT is your belief, but not what the scriptures teach.

Adam was NEVER originally Born from ABOVE. To be Born Again is to be Born from Above becoming a NEW creature, not a remake of the old.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


Kathr, you obviously do not understand faith. There is only one faith and it comes from God. There are different aspects to faith, but again all faith comes from God.

The truth of the matter is that all aspects of our salvation come from God. It is God that "borns us from above". It is God that authors our faith. It is God that justifies us. It is God that makes us willing. It is God that moves in us. It is God that will one day glorify us. We should give him all the honor and glory and quit trying to steal the glory that belongs to the Lord by trying to claim something that is his.
---trey on 3/22/14


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"the righteousness of Christ is imputed before we are born again. If you are born again first, you are already righteous in Christ, and there would be no need to impute afterwards."-kathr4453 on 3/22/14
-This is called "circular logic."
A is before B, if B was 1st, you already have A, so you do not need A.
Circular logic happens when one tries to use the premise to explain the premise.
It fails.
I don't see why it can't or doesn't happen at the same instance: belief, adoption, justification, and accreditation (impute).
There are some things, however, that take time.
Phi 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:
---micha9344 on 3/22/14


the righteousness of Christ is imputed before we are born again. If you are born again first, you are already righteous in Christ, and there would be no need to impute afterwards. You are confusing sanctification with justification. Imputed righteousness comes with justification. Abraham believed God first. To be "perfect" in Christ is our Born again experience. OT saints were not yet made perfect, because the blood of bulls and goats could never make anyone perfect...or complete. So OT saints were Justified by faith in the promised redeemer. The BODY had not yet been prepared. Now that the body has been prepared, Jesus Christ, we are sanctified once and for all. Complete IN Him..born from above a new creature in the risen Christ.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/14


Kathr - Denying the necessity of God -

Not at All - You say the Holy Spirit does not justify - How can you separate God the father and Son and Holy Ghost when the Bible say's there One ? ,

Matthew 28:19 - Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

( Kathr: I wrote this verses down to show that the three are a unified force, as the Bible has it ONE - If you have verses to prove your point please put them down ,)
---RichardC on 3/22/14


RichardC, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 2, John 6.. (To eat my flesh and drink my blood) the Holy Spirit all bear witness to. I hope your not denying the necessity of God being made flesh and blood.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:<>-----

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/14


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//Justification is a LEGAL transaction whereby God declares you righteous solely based on faith in the finished work of Christ. It is NOT a Born Again experience.//

Justification is a legal transaction whereby God declares us righteous solely on the righteousness of Christ. Righteousness is imputed to us after a person is born of the Spirit.
Once a person is made spiritually alive together with Christ by God's grace, he is justified, and declared righteous before God, the person begins to be sanctified, and will one day be glorified.
---Luke on 3/22/14


Kathr - on 3/21/14 - Holy spirit has no blood - ?

1 John 5:8 - And there are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost : and these three are one,

John 1:14 - And the Word was made Flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, Full of Grace and truth,

( Kathr - The way I have It now is The Holy Spirit - Holy Ghost are one and the same - The three are One )
---RichardC on 3/21/14


Justification is a LEGAL transaction whereby God declares you righteous solely based on faith in the finished work of Christ. It is NOT a Born Again experience. It is not the new Birth. It's God saying NOT guilty, not because your not guilty, but because your sin is forgiven. The righteousness you have then is the righteousness of Christ, not your own.

THEN , because you have been washed in the Blood, you are made acceptable in the beloved Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit then baptized you into Christ's death and raises you up together WITH HIM. This is the grace by which you have been saved. The new Birth or NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST is born from above at that time, not before.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
-hmm. It says here we are justified by the Spirit of our God.
---micha9344 on 3/21/14


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Then by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT we are given a new heart and justified by the Grace of GOD alone. ---
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/14

this is where you have it backwards Samuel. The Holy Spirit does not justify, the blood of Christ does. we are Justified by His Blood. the Holy Spirit has no blood, and did not die for anyone sin. Our faith is not in the Holy Spirit. our faith is in Jesus Christ.

We are FIRSTS Justified by His Blood, that is Jesus Blood, THEN we are saved by HIS LIFE. That is His resurrection life IN US.

The New Birth is the resurrected Christ IN US. He is not IN US before we are Justified.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


Romans 10:12_15

> glad tidings
> preacher sent
> hearing
> believing
> calling


Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,..."
---Nana on 3/21/14


Act 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Rom 16:26
...the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:


Let me lay this out. The HOLY SPIRIT convicts of sin. We respond because of the love of GOD and the conviction by turning to JESUS. Then by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT we are given a new heart and justified by the Grace of GOD alone. Then with our minds renewed and our hearts changed we start to follow JESUS in sanctification. I do not see how the scriptures you quoted are opposed to this.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 3/21/14


Sorry trey, "saving" faith is not in Galatians 5...sanctifying faith is. the "Just' shall live by faith, meaning those now Justified by faith now live by faith the rest of their lives. two entirely different subjects.

God did not crucify your flesh first before you were saved. Please continue reading Galatians 5. The fruit of the spirit is the result of being CRUCIFIED with Christ. it's HIS life in you. you believe Christ was already IN YOU before you were justified by His Blood. NOT SO! God cannot join with a sinner. The WHOLE pattern of Salvation is spelled out in Leviticus and Hebrews. BLOOD FIRST.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


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Kathr, the problem with your belief that man first has faith and then is born again is that the scriptures teach that saving faith is a fruit of the Spirit of God at the time of the new birth.
Gal 5:22

If you refer to Romans 10:17 "faith cometh by hearing". There the word faith means truth just as it does in Jude 1:3 where we are told to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints, meaning the truth delivered to the saints.

Again, Christ is the author and finisher of our faith - Heb 12:2.

Eph 2:1 tells us that we were dead in our sins and then God made us alive. A dead man cannot act. God acts first and then we respond.
---trey on 3/21/14


"God has commanded all men everywhere to repent. So,the gift of repentance as some want to believe is offered to all men everywhere. Doesn't say all elect everywhere."

Amen.
---Nana on 3/21/14


2 Timothy 2: 23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth,

26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Paul is instructing Timothy how to take charge in a leadership position, and not be intimidated by his youth.

It has NOTHING to do with initial salvation, but Christians snared in false doctrine and that because of his youth he needs to handle situations in a certain way.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


Samuel, not according to Acts 2:38, and Romans 16:25-27 and Ephesians....AFTER you believe you are sealed with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is given to this who obey first.

The obedience of faith is not a work.

God has commanded all men everywhere to repent. So,the gift of repentance as some want to believe is offered to all men everywhere. Doesn't say all elect everywhere.


The New Birth comes with the Holy Spirit. You have to be JUSTIFIED first before you can be Born Again. You all SKIP justification. So you are not born again by faith. You are justified by faith. God justifies the ungodly based on faith , not the righteous. So ungodly people are justified first before the New birth takes place.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


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Luke, or rather Markv, you are taking scripture out of context. Paul was talking about GENTILES now given the Gospel of Salvation. Not specific individual people being GRANTED this or that.

Even in the OT no scripture supports anyone being GRANTED the gift of repentance.

The Gift is the Gift of Righteousness, not the gift of repentance.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


Repentance is sorrow for sin.




---jerry6593 on 3/20/14


//It is my belief based upon scripture that a non-Christian cannot repent with the Lord granting repentance.//

You are correct, that man cannot of himself repent without God granting him the ability.
"For it hand been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for His sake" Philippians 1:29
"..God may perhaps grant that they will repent and come to know the truth, and they may escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will" 2 Tim. 2:25,26.
God has to open the heart of the sinner in order for him to not only believe by faith, but also repent. It is the work of God.
---Luke on 3/20/14


"It is my belief based upon scripture that a non-Christian cannot repent with the Lord granting repentance."

John's audience to whom he was preaching repentance "the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins" were all non-christians. They however were not ignorant about God.

Gentiles had to first hear and understand,

Romans 10:14 "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? ..."

Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation..."

Neither were christian but the first believed in God already, John 14:1.
---Nana on 3/20/14


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Regeneration or the new Birth is the Gift that follow obedience of faith.

kathr4453

You have this backward. The obedience of faith requires that we have been Born Again. Read Romans 3. There is nothing in us that can do good until JESUS saves us. Read John 3


When we love GOD it is because He first loved us.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/20/14


No scripture backs up what you say Trey....must be that gap of nothing between your ears, and being preprogrammed to only repeat what others say.

The Word of God that shows man what sin is, the LAW is the schoolmaster that points to sin, and it is what brings conviction of sin to the heart. Then based on the Word of God, promising to forgive through Jesus Christ is what one puts their faith in. Our faith is in the promises and person of Jesus Christ. There is nothing magical or mystical about it. Faith is an attitude. Regeneration or the new Birth is the Gift that follow obedience of faith.

If you don't believe me, I will come back and post scripture to back it all up ....that you still will refuse to believe.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/14


Wivv, please give me scripture to explain your view about the non-Christian. It is my belief based upon scripture that a non-Christian cannot repent with the Lord granting repentance. Man doesn't just wake up and say, "Today I'm going to get borned again, and repent." The Lord works the work of regeneration and the sinner is made to repent in his heart first and then he repents outwardly second.
---trey on 3/19/14


Repentance is realizing you are dirty and you need a clean up. And then you take a birth.(salvation) from being a sinner.
---Lydia on 3/19/14


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Dear wivv

Amen and good points. Thank you.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/17/14


Repentance mean's, "To turn around" It starts when a person realizes they are going in the wrong direction, and from the view of the person and the Lord it means a person who is not a Christian is on the, "wrong side of the cross", and for the Christian it mean's they are moving away from the Lord and what He wants. For the Christian it should be done every time they are not where the Lord wants them. Repentance is very important. For the non-Christian they turn around and accept Christ as Saviour and for the Christian, they turn around to be what God wants them to be so He can use Him for His glory.
---wivv on 3/16/14


trey, All true repentance is produced by God's sovereign grace Eph. 2:7 and without such grace human effort to change is futile Jer. 13:23.

We are told in 2 Tim. 2:24-26 not to quarrel but to be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the Truth, and that they may escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will."
When God by grace, grants saving faith, it includes the granting of repentance from sin. Neither is a human work.
---Luke on 3/16/14


"What is repentance?"
Repentance is a superimposed change of mind which leads to an empowered reformation, or corresponding change of attitude and action.
"Where does it start?"
Repentance is granted through the Father's Divine influence upon the heart. For it is "the goodness of God leads you to repentance"
"How important is repentance?"
Very, "For godly sorrow works repentance to salvation."
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord,"
Refs. 2Ti 2:25>Rom 2:4>2Co 7:10>Act 3:19
---Josef on 3/16/14


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Cluny, This is an example of your double talk,
First you say that spiritual is not a brain function, and now you admit that it is!
You can't have it both ways!
---1st_cliff on 3/16/14


Repentance is a change of mind.
What have Christians repented of when we received Christ?

Heb6:1 "repentance from DEAD WORKS"

Christians repented of DEAD WORKS of self righteousness (which is unbelief in Jesus).

Repentance is a once only thing! as Heb 6:4-6shows.
"For it is IMPOSSIBLE for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, IF THEY FALL AWAY, TO RENEW THEM AGAIN TO REPENTANCE since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame"

Believe on Jesus. Do not turn back to the law for righteousness.
---Haz27 on 3/15/14


\\Change of mind IS a brain function unless repentance is not a "spiritual" experience\\

Yes, it is.

No wonder you don't grasp spiritual matters.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/15/14


Cluny, **Repent is METANOIA (pronounced me-ta-NEE-a) in Greek which implies a change of mind **
And you're the one that said spirituality is not a brain function!
Change of mind IS a brain function unless repentance is not a "spiritual" experience!
---1st_cliff on 3/15/14


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Repentance is not a theological word, it is a common word which simply means to have a change of mind.

Much is made of the inherent inclusion of a change of direction. While that's true, the change of direction MUST directly relate to the change of mind taking place.

In other words, if repentance is from unbelief, then the change in direction is to belief.

If repentance is from behavior, then the change in direction is behavioral.

One does not change direction from unbelief to godly behavior. Nor does one change from ungodly behavior to belief.

Belief and behavior are not two sides of the same coin
---James_L on 3/14/14


Being truly repentant means that we are heart-broken because of our sin and cannot settle down to our normal daily life until we have confessed to God and told Him just how sorry we are and ask Him for forgiveness. He already knows all this and can see the effect it is having on our lives but He wants to hear us saying this. He then gives peace in our hearts.

If our sin involved another human being (which if often does) we need to take every step possible to put that right also - if it is not too late to do that.

Being prepared to admit our sin to another human being also is, sometimes, the correct thing to do.
---Rita_H on 3/15/14


Repent is METANOIA (pronouned me-ta-NEE-a) in Greek, which implies a change of mind.

In Latin it's rendered by POENETIENTIAM AGITE, implying it's something done.

Both are true.

Repentance is not a once-for-all event.

It's a life-style, a constant course correction to keep us on the strait and narrow way on our pilgrimage to the Kingdom.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 3/14/14


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