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What verses do people use to support the idea that the Earth was destroyed before Genesis 1:2?

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So, God's Throne will be destroyed when the new heaven and new earth come to be?
The earth was founded on water. The foundation of the Earth did not take place until Day 3.
Proverbs 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
The heavens and the Earth were created "in the beginning", the first 6 days of time.
Acts 4:24 ...Lord, thou [art] God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
(Ex 20:11)
---micha9344 on 3/24/14


Ephesians 4:10

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

So just another FYI....for those who think God didn't have a throne until the heavens were created. God's throne is above ALL heavens. And there are several places in scripture stating this very thing. God did not have to wait until 6000 years ago to have His own Throne, where angels worshiped Him for eons before man was created.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/14


Kath, wrong again. Mark 10:6 KJV which you like says man was "Made from the beginning of the,creation..." Just one creation.

Of 2 Peter 3:5 "heavens were of old", Gill comments "...the heavens were of old: not only in the times of Noah, but "from the beginning", as the Ethiopic version reads, and which agrees with the account in Genesis 1:1. One creation again.

Exodus 20:11 "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them..." As angels are created they like everything else in heaven and on earth were therefore made in the six-days of creation.
---Warwick on 3/24/14


Kath, I have many times asked you to explain what happened in the imagined gap in your mystery version of the gap theory. In reality all versions of this nonBiblical belief say there is a gap in Genesis where the imagined millions of years occurred. The millions of years belief is inextricably connected to the fossil record, as they mistakenly believe, it is the fossil record which is a record of the supposed millions of years. Therefore as the fossil record contains the remains of humans it places death before sin, the opposite of the foundation of the gospel.

Why are you afraid to say what happened in the gap you believe in?
---Warwick on 3/24/14


man was made at the beginning of" this creation". There will also be ANOTHER CREATION. And according to scripture "the heavens of old" , was yet another creation. Angels were INFACT created before the creation of "this world" watching God lay the foundation of the world. Only "this world" has times, seasons and days, made exclusively for HUMAN=ADAMS.
The next won't and the one prior would not need these as no man was created before THIS WORLD. The WORLDS PLURAL.

Satan FELL before the foundation of this world, and entered into this world tempting Eve. That will not happen in the NEXT creation.

The heavens of old included this planet , like all the other planets , stars etc.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/14




Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,.

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.


Warwick, have YOU tasted the good word of God AND the powers of the WORLD TO COME?

Your last post made no sense.

There is more to replacement theology, as many hold to reconstruction , restoration theology.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/14


Kath, replacement theology is the belief the Christian church replaces Israel in God's plans, nothing to do with man in heaven having returned to the sinless, deathless pre-sin state.

Acts 3:21 "whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago." Restored to what: millions of years of death, disease and struggle for survival or to the sinless perfection of Eden?

Revelation 21:4 "He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away." Does this describe life since the curse or that before it?
---Warwick on 3/24/14


kathr. When using the word BEGINNING we should look at context. If Jesus is eternal and says I am the Beginning, what does that mean. The Eternal God is the beginning of everything but had no beginning Himself. When speaking of the creation of this earth in 6 days BEGINNING is totally different.
---therese on 3/23/14


Kath, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last, refer to Gods sovereignty and eternal nature (see Holman)therefore not about time. Gill says it concerns "the deity, eternity, infinity, and perfection of Christ" i.e. nothing to do with Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created.." i.e. Creation's beginning.

Jesus says man was made at the beginning of creation-Mark 10:6. Shock us with a straight answer! Do you agree with the Creator that Adam was made at the beginning of this creation, in which we live?

Yes or no will do!
---Warwick on 3/23/14


Kath, you still have not answered my questions. I can wait. However it proves you cannot answer without exposing the magnitude of your error.
---Warwick on 3/23/14




I also understand with YEC they believe in replacement theology. They believe they are going back to a restored Garden of Eden before Adam sinned and they will be restored back to what Adam was before he sinned. Carnal, fleshly creatures. Probably having to keep a sabbath rest, who knows. They do not believe in the New Creation or the New Creature in the ages to come.

So they preach a false Gospel to begin with, and their version of Genesis is totally dependent on their false gospel.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


No Warwick, I have stated no such thing. But I can see how, based on your understanding would make such a confusing accusation. No one knows WHEN the beginning was. Why, because Jesus said , I AM THE BEGINNING AND END, FIRST AND LAST, ALPHA AND OMEGA.

The title I AM, also had deeper implications. "Before Abraham was! I AM. I AM has no beginning, or end.

So...I AM THE BEGINNING, did not begin 6000 years ago.

My questions are only irrelevant to you because you can't answer. The question IS NOT irrelevant, if it's in scripture. God put it there for a REASON.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


Kath, you continue to pose questions-mostly irrelevant to the issue, while ignoring those relevant questions I have posed to you for ages.

Firstly:
In Mark 10:6 Jesus says Adam was made at the beginning of creation. But your view says He was made long after Creations beginning! Was Jesus wrong?

Secondly:

You believe there is a gap between genesis 1:1 and 2. Please explain what happened in this imagined gap.

You ask "What happened to the moon Warwick? If you would deem to explain your odd question I will do my best to answer it. After you have answered my repeated questions above, of course.
---Warwick on 3/23/14


//Rom11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.//

Dear trey, here mercy upon all really means all of Israel. God is not the author of sin (Ps. 5:4: Hebrews 1:13). But God allowed man to pursue his sinful inclinations so that he could receive glory by demonstrating His grace and mercy to disobedient Israel (Eph. 2:2: 5:6). Paul speaking to his Gentile readers about the disobedience of Israel in rejecting their Messiah. The people of Israel did not conceive of their disobedience as a way of blessing the Gentiles. God hardening of Israel was not to an end, but is part of the saving purpose that will embrace salvation to all nations. Agape
---Luke on 3/23/14


This is the point that no one can answer. Let's leave earth out for a moment.

The heavens were of old
The heavens which are now
The heavens that are to come.


When were the heavens of old vs the heavens now? God DID NOT destroy the heavens including His throne during Noah's flood.

Aka, agreed. Just to clear the air here. I never told anyone they destroyed the Gospel for their point of view. I was told over and over I have destroyed the Gospel because of mine.

I also read the YEC are fanatics making all sorts of horrible accusations to other Christains who hold to an old earth. We don't do that. We just defend our right to believe in an old earth and why.
---kathr4453 on 3/23/14


Trey...I said gap theory or not, it does not. But, the verses that you quote do not make me believe in universalism either.

Our salvation is assuming that we have some knowledge of jesus christ. As we are told to work it out. But salvation to anyone and everyone will depend on his recognition of us and not our knowledge of him.

It is jesus that said the path is narrow. Universalism is a wide path.
---aka on 3/22/14


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Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood, neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
-The Earth was destroyed because of the flood of Noah's day, just as Peter wrote.
2Pet 3:6
NIV: By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.
NASB: through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
YLT: through which the then world, by water having been deluged, was destroyed,
--One Flood, One Earth, Once destroyed.
---micha9344 on 3/22/14


aka, let me just ask this question: If our belief is important in our eternal salvation why is it that the Apostle Paul wrote:
Rom11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Rom11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Here is the clincher:
Rom11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
---trey on 3/22/14


"salvation is NOT dependent upon having to believe in a young earth." Kathr

Very true. likewise, it does not depend on being convinced there is activity between a gap of time.

"Our salvation is totally dependent on believing in Adam all sin, and in Christ will many be made alive!"

agreed.
---aka on 3/22/14


Strong Axe: "While the Bible calls Genesis the book of Moses, it doesn't actually say that he wrote it (or that he wrote all of it). If he DID, how could he have written the account of his old death, and in the past tense yet?"

While it is intuitively obvious that Moses could not have written his own obituary, that is not a sufficient justification for denying his authorship of the rest of Genesis, particularly in view of scriptures like:

Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD

Joh 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.


P.S. Thanks to you, Warwick, Elder and others for your support in the juvenile remark of Blogger9211.


---jerry6593 on 3/22/14


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2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Here is a definition of PERISH. But we see no such perishing took place at the time of Noah. God told Noah, the earth remained Genesis 8:22, along with the days seasons etc.
Only those with the breath of life perished. So "world" and "earth" are not used interchangeably

So the heaven were of OLD, and the EARTH standing ....But the Heaven and EARTH THAT ARE NOW... Is talking about the physical earth.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/14


our salvation is NOT dependent upon having to believe in a young earth. Our salvation is totally dependent on believing in Adam all sin, and in Christ will many be made alive! who cannot lose their salvation! who will one day live in a TOTALLY NEW NEAVEN AND EARTH, who are totally new creatures in Christ . Not only have we died to sin, but to this evil world that will one day be totally destroyed, not remade to go back to the garden of Eden. There will be no sun, moon, necessary, and no TIME will be necessary either.
Satan will be forever cast into the lake of fire to burn for all eternity. No sun moon or days or time will be necessary there either. No evil will ever again be able to enter in, like the serpent was in the garden. YEA.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/14


Talk about dodging scriptures with ridiculous answers.

What happened to the moon Warwick? The heavens which are NOW have a battered up moon. YEC say there was no cold or winter until AFTER the flood, and before, everyone lived in a tropical aquarium where plants animals and humans were Giants as a result.
Read Genesis 8:22. Cold and winter CONTINUED after the flood.

When you all can stop making up ridiculous answers, like God telling animals they could eat other animals in Genesis 9, LOL, just to mention a few, it may have been a good debate. But if this is all you have, not only to answer my questions, how on earth do you expect the unsaved to take you serious. If you lie here, then your gospel will be seen as a lie too.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


Kath, do you consider yourself to be more learned than Matthew Henry?
---Warwick on 3/21/14


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about the "old" heavens":
Gen 7:11 ...and the windows of heaven were opened.
-There was only 1 catastrophe to encompass all the Earth since the beginning of creation - the flood of Noah.

---micha9344 on 3/21/

Wrong, as nothing is said about "the heavens perishing" and being made new at the time of the flood. remember the verse says the heavens and earth that are now. the heavens between Adam and Noah were not OLD or destroyed and recreated. So heavens according to you only mean the part that is around earth OR is your interpretation now the Heavens ALL including God's throne were destroyed and perished because of the flood waters?

And Matthew Henry is not an EXPERT on the subject.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


Kath, nothing happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.

I have repeatedly asked you to explain what supposedly occurred in your imagined gap. Curiously you will not answer. I know why!

In Hebrew there are no "periods" in Genesis ch.1. We are reading English grammar and punctuation. In Hebrew ch.1 is one long sentence held together by "and" c90 times. Therefore Genesis 1:1,2 KJV reads "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and the earth was without form, and void,and..." "And" is Hebrew 'waw.' This means each statement in Genesis ch. 1 is sequentially and chronologically connected to the verse before and after! Gapless!
---Warwick on 3/21/14


2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
"Here is the falsehood of their argument detected. Whereas they confidently had said there had not been any change from the beginning of the creation, the apostle puts us in remembrance of a change already past, which, in a manner, equals that which we are called to expect and look for, which was the drowning of the world in the days of Noah."-Matthew Henry (1662-1714)
-about the "old" heavens":
Gen 7:11 ...and the windows of heaven were opened.
-There was only 1 catastrophe to encompass all the Earth since the beginning of creation - the flood of Noah.
---micha9344 on 3/21/14


"The earth was destroyed because sin came into Satan and a third of the angels. Then they were cast to the earth and then gross darkness covered the earth and earthquake. Thus God had to create again.In Isaiah we come to know how Lucifer was a morning star leading worship when he sinned he started burning with fire."
---Lydia on 3/19/14


Lydia: That's not something you read in the Bible, is it? You either heard someone else say that or you made it up.

Excellent Therese (on 3/17/14)!!!
---Leon on 3/21/14


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Ok, take a journey with me. Let's pretend we are now in the NEW heaven and earth. And while we are in the NEW Heaven and earth, God says, "The Heaven and earth that are NOW" verses the heaven and earth that were of OLD. If we are in the future heaven and earth, the one today we are in would be considered of OLD.

Warwick, why is it so important to you that you have to know what took place between the ages or dispensation of time between Genesis 1:1 and verse 2.

Notice Verse 1 ends with a period. Just like Enoch walked with God...PERIOD, and then he WAS NOT. to say he WAS NOT as he walked with God would make no sense.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


jerry6593:

While the Bible calls Genesis the book of Moses, it doesn't actually say that he wrote it (or that he wrote all of it). If he DID, how could he have written the account of his old death, and in the past tense yet?

Then again, there was Eloy who believed that all 5 books of Moses were actually written by Enoch, which is totally absurd.


Blogger9211:

Calling someone else's parentage into question is both irrelevant (since it doesn't pertain to the subject of the blog nor someone's ability to talk about it), un-called for, and un-Christ-like. Would YOU want someone to challenge YOUR parentage? If not, you're violating Jesus's Golden Rule by doing so to someone else. Please let's all play nicely, shall we?
---StrongAxe on 3/20/14


Kath, you evasively refuse to explain the details (e.g what occurred in the millions of years gap) of your "mystery" gap theory then hypocritically say I focus upon the "most ridiculous version"! Because of your dishonest evasion I am free to speculate. However you can stop my speculation at any time, cant you?

All versions of the Gap Theory obviously propose a gap in Genesis ch.1. This gap was invented to fit the imagined millions of years (as recorded in the fossil record) within Scripture. Surely everyone knows the fossil record contains human remains, but death of humans before Adams sin undermines the gospel and is contradicted by Scripture. To say otherwise is but obvious foolishness.
---Warwick on 3/21/14


"It is a shame Jerry6593 that your mother was never sure who your father was!!!"
Blogger9211

Is this post supposed to add creditability to your other statements? Well, it doesn't.

This is not a Christ-like reply like item one on the right of your posting screen directed you to post.

Many will remember this hate filled post long after they forget any good post you ever offered.

It is time for you to admit your error and ask forgivness from Jerry or you can choose to suffer in your pride.
---Elder on 3/21/14


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Kath, modern translations clarify 2 Peter 3:5 e.g. ESV "For they deliberately overlook this fact, that the heavens existed long ago, ", being c4,000 years old when Peter wrote.

In 2 Peter 3:3-7 he writes of Noahs flood. Read Matthew 24:38, 39 where Jesus refers to Noah's flood as "the flood"-no hint it was a 2nd world-wide flood as you imagine. In Luke 17:22-35 Jesus links Sodom, Noah's flood and the time when He returns as being only about Judgement on mankind. For this reason, and others, 2 Peter 3:3-7 is about Noahs flood.

In Mark 10:6 Jesus says Adam was made at the beginning of creation. But your view says He was made long after Creations beginning! Was Jesus wrong?
---Warwick on 3/21/14


Blogger considering the evil of what you wrote about Jerry we are left in no doubt about who your father is.
---Warwick on 3/21/14


Teresa, to say that God created carnivorous animals AFTER the 6 day creation is also against scripture. So there was no balance of nature as we see today in the animal kingdom? Or did animals not procreate until after Adam's sin?

To teach that all animals were vegetarians before Adams sin is adding to scripture. No scripture says they were. And to say the nature of animals changed because of Adams sin, is saying animals inherited a sin nature.....since you say it must have been sin before Adams sin?????
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
-God created them initially vegetarian.
---micha9344 on 3/20/14


When was Genesis 9 written??? And to whom was it written...animals????

So you are saying God wrote Genesis 9:3 to the animals?
Hummm.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/14


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//
It is a shame Jerry6593 that your mother was never sure who your father was!!!

---Blogger9211 on 3/20/14
//



What a paragon of intellect!





---jerry6593 on 3/21/14


It is a shame Jerry6593 that your mother was never sure who your father was!!!

---Blogger9211on 3/20/14

Ha ha...But from that statement we all know who your father is.

Therese, blogger like a few others who used to pose and post here are calvinist in tradition...kill anyone because they are pre chosen. They believe they can act anyway they want and god is good with that.

However, I do agree with blogger about gap being a non issue.

Anything we think, feel, 'know', etc. is dung... A non issue.

The only thing that we can hopefully perceive is fruit.

Nothing bad can come from something good and vice versa.
---aka on 3/21/14


---Blogger9211 on 3/20/14
If you call yourself a Christian you are dreaming. What a horrible thing to say to someone just because they disagree with you.
---therese on 3/20/14


"God created Carnivores when he created all other animals."-kathr4453 on 3/20/14
Gen 1:29-30 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed, to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you, even as the green herb have I given you all things.
-God created them initially vegetarian.
---micha9344 on 3/20/14


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#2
"looks to me the waters covered all the earth until God gathered it into one place bringing forth dry land."-kathr4453 on 3/20/14
It wasn't "flooded." It was created that way. No destruction occurred between Gen1:1 and 1:2
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
-What God did.
Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
-What it looked like before He gave it light, shaped it, and filled it with life.
Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 1:1 "the beginning"
Gen 2:1 "finished"
---micha9344 on 3/20/14


Jason, 2 peter continues to say, the heavens were of OLD, vs the Heaven and earth NOW. Were the Heavens OLD at the time of Noah's flood? and when did God make a NEW heaven after or even during the flood? No scripture supports this.

3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, ---.

WORLD"S" WERE, IS PLURAL, otherwise it would say world IS.

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. this cannot be referring to after Noah's flood as this was right after the 7th day. AND DAYS are not generations. unless it's NOT a 24 hour day...
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


---kathr4453 on 3/20/14 God created Carnivores when he created all other animals. God did not create Carnivores AFTER Adam sinned.

Are there any scriptures to support this. I dont believe we are told. So those who believe death came to all animals after Adam sinned may be just as correct as your view.

But the creation story says everything was very good . Death is hardly described as something very good. It certainly wasnt Gods plan for Adam and Eve.
---therese on 3/20/14


It is a shame Jerry6593 that your mother was never sure who your father was!!!
---Blogger9211 on 3/20/14


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Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the watersAnd God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

--- And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

looks to me the waters covered all the earth until God gathered it into one place bringing forth dry land.

I see no fantasy here.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


Kathr453, Genesis 7:19 says the earth was completely covered with water and all life perished v.21-23. Pretty clear that this is what 2 Peter 3:7 is referring to. Genesis 8:22 is AFTER the flood and is simply saying the earth will continue in its present state (post flood) and eludes to its ultimate destruction by fire 2 Peter 3:7.
---jason9835 on 3/20/14


Only if you believe one of many versions of the Gap. Warwick only focuses on the most ridiculous version and only bashes that version. How silly.

If the heavens and earth and angels existed without any plants, animals or humans millions of years ago, NO DEATH OCCURED. So no Gospel is destroyed here.

Angels cannot DIE, God cannot DIE.

Only those IN ADAM die. So whatever form of life died regardless of what it may have been was not anything IN ADAM to begin with.

God created Carnivores when he created all other animals. God did not create Carnivores AFTER Adam sinned.

There are so many holes in the YEC Theory, and it is insulting to intelligent people saved or lost to see these ridiculous discrepancies.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


KJV
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them, and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
2Pe 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
NASB
Gen 6:13 Then God said to Noah, The end of all flesh has come before Me, for the earth is filled with violence because of them, and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth.
2Pe 3:6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
-It looks like Peter is talking about Noah's flood, especially since the Gen 1:1-2 flood is fantasy.
---micha9344 on 3/20/14


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Warwick, Although I do not believe in the gap theory, you are away off the mark with your statement that animals did not die before Adam sinned.
Scripture specifically says death came to all
"MEN" (mankind) creatures are not included in "all men" , get it straight!
---1st_cliff on 3/20/14


Blogger, I cannot agree with you that the Gap Theory is a non issue. This belief tries to fit imagined millions of years into Scripture. These long ages (the secularists say) are evidenced in the fossil record, saying such record is one extending over vast periods of time, before Adam. However the fossil record is one of death, disease and suffering of animal and man. God's word bluntly disagrees saying death came into the world only after, and as a consequence of Adam's sin.

How can something which contradicts God's word, regarding the foundation of the gospel, be a non-issue? It cannot. That is if you believe that Adam's sin was an historical reality, just as historical as Jesus death and resurrection, as Scripture maintains.
---Warwick on 3/20/14


Theresa,
Genesis. 6: 17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven, and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Everything in the earth is not saying the earth itself. The whole inner core of the earth would have to be destroyed for the earth itself to be destroyed.

But in 2 Peter, that verse says the earth literally perished, meaning the earth died.

Being "without form and void" shows a definition of a perished earth.

This is about the physical Theresa, not the soul. As animals also perished having no soul.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


"The problem that most of the bloggers on this topic do not understand whom wrote what when."

This is especially true of Blogger9211. This guy not only doesn't know when to use "who" vs. "whom", but he also claims that the Bible is lying about Moses writing all of Genesis. If he doesn't believe this part of the Bible, why would he believe the rest of it? Since he creates his own version of scripture, we might call him the creator of the Creator - a legend in his own mind.


---jerry6593 on 3/20/14


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Genesis 5:24

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not for God took him.

Here is a great verse to define the word WAS in Genesis 1: 2.

"WAS" here shows a change from the original. Not a continual state from the original.

So keeping in mind how words are used, by comparing other scriptures using the same word also gives great insight.

Also because we have so many different versions, it can as well cause confusion. I use the KJV.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/14


Kathr 3/19/14 You believe 2 Peter 3:6 does not refer to Noahs flood but to a time following Gen 1:1 and before Gen 1:2 when the earth became formless and void. You define PERISH as to leave nothing left, so it could not refer to Noahs time.

If PERISH means nothing left, how come when referring to humans as in 2 Peter 3:9, and John 3:16 it means something is left, namely the soul or spirit.
---therese on 3/19/14


The problem that most of the bloggers on this topic do not understand whom wrote what when. Gap or no gap is a nonissue. Moses authorship of Genesis does begin until chapter 12. Genesis Chapter 1 through 11 is from Priestly sources written well after Joshua has defeated all of Palestine and the Levite Priest Editors have transcribed oral tradition into hard copy. Then they have to order their manuscripts into a presentation order and finally write textual material blend all of their oral transcribed traditions together to get a continuity of flow. You are not dealing with a real history as the Levite Priestly Editors are picking the oral traditions to include as well as the presentation order.
---Blogger9211 on 3/19/14


The Gap Theory was invented to accommodate a long-ages view of the earth. Nothing in the bible supports it. Genesis 1:1-2 simply speaks of the earth being created in a formless state covered in water. Psalms 24:2 says the earth was founded upon the seas and flood waters. When Noahs flood occurred, Genesis 7:11 says the fountains of the great deep broke open. This is where most of the water came from.
---jason9835 on 3/19/14


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Just a note: The Gap Theory is based upon those who believe it having a large gap between their ears where a brain is supposed to be. :D
---trey on 3/19/14


Ok, to clarify. 2 Peter talking about the earth perishing was not at the time of Noah. But this verse does support Genesis 1:2 that the earth that was between Genesis 1:1 and verse two perished (was destroyed),

Genesis 8:22 clearly state the earth was not destroyed or perished after Noah's flood. We see two times in scripture the earth was covered in water....Genesis 1 and Noah's flood.

perish G622 Strongs
to destroy
to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin
render useless
to kill
to declare that one must be put to death
metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell
to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed
to destroy
to lose
---kathr4453 on 3/19/14


2 Peter 3:5-8

5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:(( NOT ACCORDING TO GENESIS 8:22 ..The earth did not perish. please look up all verses re: perish and use your strongs to decide whay perish .))) 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/14


The earth was destroyed because sin came into Satan and a third of the angels. Then they were cast to the earth and then gross darkness covered the earth and earthquake. Thus God had to create again.In Isaiah we come to know how Lucifer was a morning star leading worship when he sinned he started burning with fire.
---Lydia on 3/19/14


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God wrote Jeremiah 4, and Genesis 1:1-2 and God tells us the meaning of, " without form and void". "THAT" is how the Holy Spirit teaches. He uses scripture to teach scripture. Judgement fell on this creation at one time. No one needs anything but their own common sense to see the moon has been banged around. Did that accidentally happen?

What about the rest of the universe? We have planets with their own suns and moons. Some more than one. What DAY were they given light? Are they on a 24 hr DAY schedule.

What about those stars and Angels who clapped when God laid the foundation of the world (Job38) weren't those stars shining bright at that time? So why was darkness upon the face of the deep?
---kathr4453 on 3/19/14


YEC explain that all the damage on earth that we see happened because of the flood. How it carved deep rivers, valleys, even the Grand Canyon, but they cannot prove it was a result of flooding. We're just suppose to believe them. But what they can't explain away is the moon. All those craters. The flood did not cause that. So the young heaven should be in pristine shape. They claim God remade the heavens AGAIN during the flood. NO scripture supports this. The heavens that were of OLD could not be considered OLD at less than 2000, from Adam to Noah. So they say the 'heavens, that are NOW are only 4000 years old. 1st Peter. Go re- read that verse.

That's nuts! But that is what they want you to believe.
---kathr445 on 3/19/14


Genesis 8:22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. hummmm. YEC say cold and winter didn't start to happen until AFTER the flood. During the flood the earth "did not perish". Only the living except for 8 souls and all in the ark perished. And the olive branch proves too the earth did not perish.

Now REREAD what Peter said. It says the heavens were of old, and the earth standing in the water and out perished. If perish means death, and death of earth resulted , thenGenesis 8:22 is a contradiction.

The more I read 1st Peter! he's not talking about Noah's flood. But compares the first judgement Genesis 1:2 to the final judgement.
---kathr453 on 3/19/14


There is gaps all over the Bible. A gap from Jesus to Paul. A gap from Moses to Jesus. And so on. But there is no gap between Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2. We are not told anything about a gap, only that it was the first day of Creation, and so on to the second day. The gap there could be about 24 hours if we want to be tactical about it.
---Luke on 3/19/14


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I have only heard of this from one person. A Mormon told me that He believe that the previous earth was destroyed by the angel war.

I pretty much have ignored it.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/19/14


Kath, you are too good for me. I just cannot duck and weave like you do, apparently by nature. The gaps of which you write have nothing to do with the mystery Gap Theory you vaguely promote. Mystery? Yes, because you will not tell us what happened in the gap in your version of the Gap Theory. Why?

You are right about one thing in that the natural mind cannot grasp things spiritual however who are you to decide who has the Holy Spirit living within or not? What arrogance you reveal!
---Warwick on 3/18/14


Scripture has several GAP'S.
1) the 1000 year reign
2) the Church Age
3) the 70th week / Rapture of the church prior.
4) the Literal Sabbath to now the fulfillment of that Sabbath rest In Christ to again the Sabbath in the 1000 year reign...RE: things TO COME. They will even go back to feast days. Colossians 2. But today in this GAP, the Body is of Christ.

The List goes on and on and on.

The "Church" was not even revealed in the OT. Paul clearly says it was hidden and now revealed...but there ALL ALONG in God's Plan and Purpose.

Yet ALL these issues have caused more and more arguments here over the years as to the validity of any of these truths. The natural mind can never grasp these truths.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/14


Kath, Scripture does not say the earth became formless and empty. It simply says God created the heavens and the earth was formless and empty. As we read following verses we see God giving form to an earth covered by water (vs.9) and then He began to fill the earth finally commanding Eve and Adam to fill the earth with humanity.

"Void" does not carry any moral meaning i.e. the earths condition was the result of sin, but that, as the following verses prove, was empty. The gap idea is unscriptural.

BTW I have asked you over and over, without result as yet, as to what occurred in your imagined gap. Why will you not answer? Don't know? Don't want to reveal what you really believe? Have the courage to spill the beans!
---Warwick on 3/18/14


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-Students who support this so called Gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 dont seem to understand much about the Hebrew way of writing -

The bible tells us that hidden treasures are found in the scriptures.

It does not tell us to bring our own to fit our understanding and 'knowledge' and add it in.
---aka on 3/18/14


Bible Students who support this so called Gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 dont seem to understand much about the Hebrew way of writing. Many times the summary is given first, as in Genesis 1:1, then the details, Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:3. More details are given in Genesis 2.///

Yes and even more details are given through out scripture as well.

Just use, Isaiah 53 about the death of the Messiah, who even MORE details in the NT say He was foreordained "BEFORE" the foundation of the world to take away sin. Yet how many today see the verse but STILL have no spiritual eyes to know the meaning and unsaved Jews reject as well.

Certainly Genesis 1 and 2 say nothing about this.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/14


Many stories (narratives) are told in a similar way. We even do this ourselves when relating an event. That is: we firstly give the bare bones (the headlines) then secondly we put flesh on the bones (the details).

Genesis 1 contains a lot of "let there be" verses and these things 'were done'. From the 4th verse of Genesis 2 we are then given the details of what happened but the order in which they came into being is not important here because, IT WAS DONE.

Trying to fit something into a gap which is not there is a faith destroyer for some people. Man should not meddle with God's Word.
---Rita_H on 3/18/14


Psalm 148:2-5
2 Praise Him, all His angels, Praise Him, all His hosts! 3 Praise Him, sun and moon, Praise Him, all you stars of light! 4 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens, And you waters above the heavens! 5 Let them praise the name of the LORD, for He commanded and they were created.

The creation of the entire universe, including the earth, must be understood as an instantaneous creation at the command of God instantly and perfect in the beginning before the earth became without form and void and darkness upon it.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/14


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Bible Students who support this so called Gap between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 dont seem to understand much about the Hebrew way of writing. Many times the summary is given first, as in Genesis 1:1, then the details, Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:3. More details are given in Genesis 2.

Yes this idea of a gap only came about when people tried to make scripture fit with supposition. Up to the 1700 this idea of creation over millions of years was not heard anywhere.

Followers of God believed the bible, heathens attributed creation to one of their Gods.
---therese on 3/17/14


Michael, Scripture does not support the Gap Theory.

In the late 1700's some geologists claimed the earth was millions of years old, not c6,000yrs as per Scripture. Capitulating, some Christians uncritically accepted this error. Later Chalmers invented the gap idea to fit the imagined millions of years (represented by the fossil record) into Scripture. However this idea places death, disease etc (inc. man) before Adam's sin therefore undermining the gospel.

Genesis 1:28 KJV "replenish the earth" appeared to support the gap idea i.e. it was filled, destroyed, and had to be filled again. However 'replenish' is the translation of the Hebrew 'male' which means fill, giving no support to any refilling.
---Warwick on 3/17/14


Michael, There are none!
---1st_cliff on 3/17/14


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