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Explain Missing A Miracle

"For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened." (Mark 6:52) Please explain.

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//You said they were terrified. That is not what Mark 6:52 is talking about. That incident, walking on water, was before (Mark 6:52).//

Dear Leon,
the answer I gave to you came from the passage in Mark 8:15-19. Jesus reminded the disciples of what He had done with the loafs of bread. So He asked them,
"Why do you reason because you have no bread? Do you not yet perceive nor understand? Is your heart still hardened? Having eyes, do you not see? And having ears, do you not hear? They were still in unbelief.
---Luke on 7/18/14


Correct Cluny it was Moses who said it.


Deuteronomy 30:19

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

JESUS offered us life.


John 3:15

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.



John 5:40

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/16/14


\\ Jesus said again choose life.
---Bryan on 3/30/14
\\

Oh, you big story teller.

Jesus NEVER said, "Choose life."

It's NOWHERE in the Gospels.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/14


I side with Leon on his say.

In times of duress, we get tried to the hilt for sure.

Consider these:

John 16:21 "A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world."


Even our Lord who had said, "Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me." John 16:32
Also said,
"My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?", Matthew 27:46
---Nana on 4/24/14


Luke, thanks I'm happy you believe about miracles as I do. I'm surprised to see anyone agree with me. Some on CN don't agree with anything I say.
---shira4368 on 4/24/14




Hello,Sis.Rita, that woman ruthless,
a lady at her church, had a nervous breakdwn, the pastor'wife, put her in a mental hospital, then proceeded to lie so, my friend so,ill sign'papers(under duress pressure) the pastor wife got all her checks,as her guardian all $ then deposit into her personal account.I visited the lady, later got her a good lawyer, he believed me saw how she' taken advantage of by this evil woman.the lady recuperated.She almost got away with stealing o'er 2 yrs.her checks.My friend so hurt,she later got married, thank God to a good gentleman.They moved away.
---Elena9555 on 4/24/14


// he found out if he had left his home 5 minutes earlier he would have probably been in the deadly accident that caused the detour. That is a miracle.//

I understand that many will not believe you for a minute but I really do. Our life and our death is determined by God. A person is not going to die unless God calls him. When a baby stops breathing and then begins to breath, it is a miracle, because God gives us our breath. We live and move and have our being because of God.
Every day is miracle for all of us who are still breathing. That speaker for your church, you talked about, knows that what happened to him was a miracle, great example, Agape
---Luke on 4/23/14


An evangelist was coming to preach at our church and he was late getting there. He finally was re-routed from I-75 to off roads and back to I-75. he found out if he had left his home 5 minutes earlier he would have probably been in the deadly accident that caused the detour. That is a miracle.
---shira4368 on 4/22/14


//again, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion Leon. I believe you're over thinking the obvious. // And here is why,

You said they were terrified. That is not what Mark 6:52 is talking about. That incident, walking on water, was before (Mark 6:52). The passage you quoted above is talking about the miracle of the loaves and their hearts hardened. The subject is the miracle of the loaves. What you did was add another incident to chapter 6:52.
"For they considered not the miracle of the loaves for their hearts were hardened" They were in unbelief. Still had no faith. Agape.
---Luke on 4/21/14


Elena, I was so shocked when I read this in a post from you last week. "She got hurt in an accident, she refused our prayer, she wanted to sue the people instead, she found out they 'filthy rich!' I was shocked."

I am not at all surprised that the church soon closed. Whatever kind of a pastor's wife was she? Certainly not one who had faith in God.

I wonder how much she is now affected by her injuries and if she ever thinks back to what she actually did to spurn God.
---Rita_H on 4/21/14




"...They clearly [couldn't] understand the power that Christ had...[They] misunderstood the real significance of that afternoons miracle...so they [couldn't] grasp Jesus supernatural character as displayed in His power over the lake..."
---Luke on 4/20/14


Again, I respectfully disagree with your conclusion Luke. I believe you're over thinking the obvious. The disciples didn't fully understand Jesus, but they did recognize His God-given power to perform miracles. But, in that very stressful & terrifying moment the prior feeding of 5,000 wasn't the immediate issue on their minds. They were horrified because they didn't know it was Jesus walking on the water. :)
---Leon on 4/21/14


//First....Jesus is there. He is not in their hearts yet he is there in person not spirit. Yes they believed him, or they would not have been following him. "Jesus" always had to explain things to his disciples.//

You are correct. They clearly could not understand the power that Christ had. That is why the passage says,
"For they considered not the miracle of the loaves" The disciples misunderstood the real significance of that afternoons miracle of the loaves, so they could not grasp Jesus supernatural character as displayed in His power over the lake. They truly had no faith, their hearts were hardened, so in reality they were still not saved. It would all change at Pentecost. Agape
---Luke on 4/20/14


First of all look at the picture of it. Jesus is there. He is not in their hearts yet he is there in person not spirit. Yes they believed him, or they would not have been following him. "Jesus" always had to explain things to his disciples. Because they were still spiritually dead Jesus had not paid the price for that yet. When that price was paid their once dead spirit came alive just like us when we except Jesus that's what come alive in you again.
---Bryan on 4/19/14


Hello, family, I began to think about missing a miracle..could that in clude
Like unbelief? Some people do not believe (all though they believe in Christ) there are sweet old ladies who do not believe in the fact, There is a devil. So they could be passing up the opportunity get saved!
---Elena9555 on 4/19/14


Dear Leon,
It is perfectly ok to disagree with me. I was not trying to proof anyone wrong. I was only giving my interpretation of the passage. Only answering the question with an open heart. To me, I believe the passage is pretty simple when reading the context. You are welcome to come out with other interpretations. Agape
---Luke on 4/19/14


The word "Hardened" is the word "poroo" a small piece of stone broken off from a larger one. The verb means to harden, make hard like a stone, or to make callous and insensible to the touch. In the New T. applied only in a spiritual sense to the hears or mind of men (Mark 6:52: 8:17, John 12:40: Rom. 11:7, 2 Cor. 3:14). "porosis" meaning hardening used figuratively, hardness, callousness, or blindness (Mark 3:5: Rom. 11:25: Eph. 4:18).
---Luke on 4/19/14


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First of all look at the picture of it. Jesus is there. He is not in their hearts yet he is there in person not spirit. Yes they believed him, or they would not have been following him. "Jesus" always had to explain things to his disciples. Because they were still spiritually dead Jesus had not paid the price for that yet. When that price was paid their once dead spirit came alive just like us when we except Jesus that's what come alive in you again.
---Bryan on 4/19/14


"...'their hearts were hardened'...alludes to rebellion, not just ignorance to the supernatural power of Christ..."
---Luke on 4/18/14


I disagree Luke. :) The disciples grasped the fact that Jesus had performed a miracle & that He wasn't just an ordinary but a very extraordinary guy. Remember, they gave up all to follow Him. But, their hearts were hardened (terrified) by fear, not from disobedience. When they saw Jesus on the water 1.) they didn't recognize Him 2.) they thought he was a ghost. What a mind numbing, heart petrifying (frightening) experience that was for them.

"...People are blessed everyday but still have hard hearts."
---shira4368 on 4/16/14


The sin nature...
---Leon on 4/18/14


Shira and Elena yes it was a shock to me that anyone would refuse a gift from God and very sad. I don't think I had seen anyone do that before. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 4/18/14


//"For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened."//

Not understanding about the loaves was just one of many things the disciples did not grasp. They did not understand the real significance of that afternoon's miracle. They could not grasp Jesus supernatural character displayed in His power over the lake also. Their hearts were hardened. The disciples hearts were hardened as the verse (4:11,12) explains. After (11,12) Jesus said to them, "Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables?"
This phrase "their hearts were hardened" conveys or alludes to rebellion, not just ignorance to the supernatural power of Christ. Agape
---Luke on 4/18/14


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Leon we can see that today in many ways. My brother and sister dont see the miracle God blessed them with. Both hearts are hard. People are blessed everyday but still have hard hearts.
---shira4368 on 4/16/14


Hello, Darlene1, wow! I am shocked & sad, reading re:brother-n-law reject'
the prayer, you mercifilly prepare give
for him.I witness, a similar rejection
1 time, we 5 ladies, went to pray for a pastor', wife, to get healed.She got hurt in an accident, she refused our prayer, she wanted to sue the people in stead, she found out they "filthy rich! " I was shocked.. after wards wasn't long & closed the church.
She loved the $ more.
We all were shocked.
---Elena9555 on 4/15/14


The "fear" factor is essential to understanding verse 52. In verses 30-44, the disciples saw a great miracle: Jesus feeding 5,000. But, they had no clue Jesus was about to send them to Night School.

That evening Jesus had them get into a boat, without Him, & row to Bethsaida. While on the way they struggled with high winds. THEN in the night darkness they see, but didn't recognize Jesus walking on the water. :) "They were sore amazed". Loose interpretation, they were immediately paralyzed with fear! What loaves...? In that moment feeding of the 5,000 was far from their minds. They thought Jesus was a ghost & they were terrified ~ their hearts were petrified with fear!
---Leon on 4/2/14


That it's. Without the Holy Spirit their witness would be power less and their knowledge would be weak
---Bryan on 4/2/14


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Darlene, that is so sad. when someone dies in their sin, it breaks my heart. unfortunately it happens all the time.
---shira4368 on 4/2/14


I experienced one way a miracle is missed. My Sister-in-law was driving to California to take our Father and Mother-in-law to see their daughter. I laid down to nap and God dropped into my spirit that I should go to California,to pray for my Brother-in-law who had a lung disease. I called my Sister-in-law and told her I would go with her. When we arrived there and settled in I felt it was time to pray for the man God told me to. I went to the living room and told him God had sent me to pray for him may I do it and he agreed. Sadly when prayers stopped my Brother-in-law rejected the possible healing by saying"I don't deserve to be healed". He decided by his act that he wanted to die from his illness and he did.
---Darlene_1 on 4/2/14


"What did Jesus say wait for the Holy Spirit before go out to witness. Done mock God his word has life or death in it. Jesus said again choose life."
---Bryan on 3/30/14


In short Bryan, Jesus knew they would need the indwelling power of the Holy Spirit to BOLDLY (without fear), accurately & effectively minister to the masses.
---Leon on 4/2/14


What did Jesus say wait for the Holy Spirit before go out to witness. Done mock God his word has life or death in it. Jesus said again choose life.
---Bryan on 3/30/14


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"Also none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet. So their understanding of spiritual things would be a little weak."
---Bryan on 3/30/14


Okay, yeah Bryan, that was before Pentecost.
---Leon on 3/30/14


I'm sure the skeptics thought the food was hid somewhere and tried to claim a miracle. We witness miracles and think its a coincidence. Every good and perfect gift is from God. I have seen miracles that others thought it was just something that happens. I am a miracle. I should have been dead several times. One was my oxygen went down to 61. I would have died from thyroid cancer and my appendix ruptured. All are miracles. My brother had a tumor in his stomach when he got a piece of meat in his throat. My sister would be dead if she had not been in the hospital for a minor surgery. She got a new heart valve. God is at work in our lives all the time. I am thankful.
---shira4368 on 3/30/14


Also none of them had received the Holy Spirit yet. So their understanding of spiritual things would be a little weak.
---Bryan on 3/30/14


The "fear" factor is essential to understanding verse 52 Scott, Josef & Bryan. In verses 30-44, the disciples saw a great miracle: Jesus feeding 5,000. But, they had no clue Jesus was about to send them to Night School.

That evening Jesus had them get into a boat, without Him, & row to Bethsaida. While on the way they struggled with high winds. THEN in the night darkness they see, but didn't recognize Jesus walking on the water. :) "They were sore amazed". Loose interpretation, they were immediately paralyzed with fear! What loaves...? In that moment feeding of the 5,000 was far from their minds. They thought Jesus was a ghost & they were terrified ~ their hearts were petrified with fear!
---Leon on 3/30/14


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Let's look at the story. Nobody was born again yet none of them had Jesus in their heart he was there in body. He was not in their heart yet just in their head. He was teaching them how the new covenant will be. So when you read some of thing Jesus did remember he did it in front of people who were not born again yet.
---Bryan on 3/30/14


"(Mark 6:52) Please explain."
Leon in their fear and unbelief they either ignored, or failed to consider the significance of that awesome miracle. Thus failed to understand, that there is "nothing to hard for God," and with Him, nothing is impossible.
---josef on 3/30/14


I have an explanation Scott but, if you don't mind, I'd like to hold off for a little while to see what others may input.
---Leon on 3/25/14


that is the beauty of the Bible connected to the Holy Spirit God tells me a truth and tells you another aspect of God's truth.

So what is your Leon?
---Scott1 on 3/25/14


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Thx Scott for your comments. However, I'm not convinced that's what the Bible verse really means as it applies to Jesus' disciples in that instance though it's true Jesus had to chastise them on numerous occasions regarding their "little faith".

I do agree, from the examples you've given, that "fear" did motivate the disciples to respond (react) the way they did. For that reason, I believe there's a simpler yet more revealing explanation of the verse.

Again, thx! :)
---Leon on 3/25/14


//for their heart was hardened//
This statment goes back to the Old Testament miracles that God placed on the Jewish people over and over again and most of them never learning to have faith in God but always wanting God's proof of provision, not reliance on his provision. For example crossing the Red Sea by far the most quoted event in the OT. However after a few days, they wanted to go back to the old easy way of life which was slavery. Other examples are the 12 spies, water from the rock, ravens, time of the judges, etc. However a few like King David, Joshua, Caleb, Ruth, Hebrews Ch11 people figured it out that God was going to bless them in all that he commands them to do. To rely on that faith in God through the storm.
---Scott1 on 3/25/14


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