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Adam And Eve's Children

Did Adam and Eve have other children besides Cain, Abel and Seth?

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Okay, so it's a given, the Bible says Adam & Eve definitely had other children besides Cain, Abel & Seth. Since Cain had a wife, there had to be at least one girl child for him to mate with. But, Cain was afraid he'd be killed by "whoever". Apart from Adam & Eve, that seems to indicate other sibling (likely females) & perhaps nieces, & nephews.

So, the only question remaining is did A & E have some children prior to being expelled from the Garden? :)
---Leon on 10/19/14


//..what I now say, offended ears hear only anathema.// Leon

only..not true. i especially liked the cheribum comment of guarding the tree is an act of love and sin is the act of war. there are other things that you have said and i agreed with using your name.

the ellipses comment was not directed towards you. that is why i left your name out. it just struck me deeply how ellipses have the power to help and hinder. it can be a very deceptive tool and thank God Warwick reads the actual writing of others misquoted with ellipses. i only have time to check bible verses misquoted.

with that said, i think that "offended" is often said for those who disagree.there is no offense here until there is true persecution.
---aka on 10/19/14


//That's why I BELIEVE "it's likely" the first children born to A & E were girls born before the fall.//

Leon, this is what you said. That the first children of A % E were girls born before the fall...But if you say, you are getting new revelation not found in Scripture, I just do not believe that at all. The Word of God, Scripture, is close[d]. No more new revelations.
---Luke on 10/15/14

Luke: Thanks for the explanation. After responding to multiple blogs, I've unintentionally made enemies because of words exchanged. So, no matter what I now say, offended ears hear only anathema. :)

I said LIKELY. I didn't say WAS. I said nothing about new revelations apart from Scripture! You inferred that.
---Leon on 10/16/14


//Your brutha's done you a favor.// trav

yes. he has. a gift that always has return.
---aka on 10/16/14


ellipses are a very powerful tool. like a digging shovel, it is good for moving mountains or moving manure.
---aka on 10/15/14

Ha. This is just one reason I like you aka. You break-a tha unspoken-a rule-sa. You stand outside and look in, then inside and look out.... underneath and on top. It is a big playground, the renewable equipment never wears out. It is never overcrowded because of self restricting rules. Your brutha's done you a favor. Few will see the Crabs upside down. (..)><>

Ecc 3:22 Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
---Trav on 10/16/14




I believe buying tangible land isn't "gambling", but is an "investment" of God-given resources into God's economy & by faith we trust Him for the yield.
Can you dig it? :)
---Leon on 10/15/14

I can dig it....with more gusto if I know a treasure is in the field I'm about to buy. Otherwise it's just a nice field that needs a lot of work and good weather to make a return on investment.

The man didn't buy the field until the found the treasure.

Mat_13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field, the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
---Trav on 10/15/14


"...Gambling, is not in the Bible...Buying land is a gamble...will it give return or not?...Keep digging..."
---Trav on 10/15/14

//Gambling, is not in the Bible. It is up to each man to figure out for himself.
For me? Buying land is a gamble, a new or used tool, will it give return or not? Etc.// ---Trav on 10/15/14

at first, knowing what i do about trav, i could not believe he said the paraphrase above. then, i saw the whole post from trav.

ellipses are a very powerful tool. like a digging shovel, it is good for moving mountains or moving manure.
---aka on 10/15/14


"...Gambling, is not in the Bible...Buying land is a gamble...will it give return or not?...Keep digging..."
---Trav on 10/15/14


Trav: I believe everything God wants us to know is directly and indirectly in the Bible, but we must "dig" for (uncover) it. For example, "gambling" is a reliance upon taking a "chance" (whatever will be, will be). Chance is trusting in something (WHATEVER) to work for us whereas "faith" is trust in "Someone", GOD.

I believe buying tangible land isn't "gambling", but is an "investment" of God-given resources into God's economy & by faith we trust Him for the yield.

Can you dig it? :)
---Leon on 10/15/14


// That's why I BELIEVE "it's likely" the first children born to A & E were girls born before the fall.//

Leon, this is what you said. That the first children of A % E were girls born before the fall. And second, I have nothing whatsoever against you. In fact I believe you know a lot of Scripture. I also believe in my heart you are a brother in Christ. I just do not agree with your answer because nothing is mentioned about girls before the fall. That is all. But if you say, you are getting new revelation not found in Scripture, I just do not believe that at all. The Word of God, Scripture, is close. No more new revelations.
---Luke on 10/15/14


Luke: You're obviously arguing for the sake of it. .
---Leon on 10/14/14

Pin Ball Syndrome. Bounce opinion/sarcasm off the rails and think they are winning something.
You made interesting observations. Some witness is had by lack of witness. Gambling, is not in the Bible. It is up to each man to figure out for himself.
For me? Buying land is a gamble, a new or used tool, will it give return or not? Etc.
Keep digging....there are treasures in the field. Some never buy, the field to find.
Mat_13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field, the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
---Trav on 10/15/14




"...I'm just stating what the Lord has shown to me thru His word (the Bible)//

...you are saying God has shown you something not in His Word, Scripture. [Nooooo!] Because it is not there. [?!!!]...

//Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not so.//

I read it and it is not there. [???!!!] Hebrews and 2 Kings do not say Adam had nothing but girls before the fall of Adam."
---Luke on 10/14/14


Luke: You're obviously arguing for the sake of it. You & I are in two different places of understanding. I didn't say what you said I said. :) You're either opposed to me for God only knows what reasons, or you simply just don't get it! Hopefully you'll get it one day.
---Leon on 10/14/14


//Under no circumstances am I ever trying to convince anyone of anything on these blogs. I'm just stating what the Lord has shown to me thru His word (the Bible)//

Leon, you are saying God has shown you something not in His Word, Scripture. Because it is not there. In other words like those who claim they are getting new revelation not found in Scripture like E.G. White, Charles T. Russell and many other phonies.

//Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not so.//

I read it and it is not there. Hebrews and 2 Kings do not say Adam had nothing but girls before the fall of Adam.
---Luke on 10/14/14


Luke & Rita: You two are responding from your subjective (feelings) levels of understanding. Obviously, we're not all at the same level as God has & is giving some more insight than others. God bless the two of you & I pray for your continued growth in the Lord.

Under no circumstances am I ever trying to convince anyone of anything on these blogs. I'm just stating what the Lord has shown to me thru His word (the Bible).

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not so. Please read 2 Kings 6:15-16. Also, Hebrews 11.

I hope you'll ask God to show you His deeper meanings from the pages of Scripture. Listen, pay attention to what He says instead of trying to analyze & figure it out for yourselves!
---Leon on 10/13/14


Leon, I do not accept that God's diversity/variety means that He wishes some of us to interpret His words one way and some to interpret them another way. We KNOW that this happens but that does not make the variety of interpretations all correct.

I like to think that I am still teachable and open to learn from others but I'll agree to disagree with you on this one and will leave the subject with you whilst I continue to accept God's Word as it is.
---Rita_H on 10/13/14


Leon, Rita is correct, you are giving your opinion only when you said,
"Have you noticed, there's a distinct pattern in the Bible when it comes to identifying males by name & not naming females when they're born? That's why I BELIEVE "it's likely" the first children born to A & E were girls born before the fall.
Nowhere are we told the first children born to A & E were girls. That is a big opinion. Not a fact. You look for things not there and out of nothing you create something. It's ok to share opinions, but they are only opinions, the reason as you said, we are all different members in the body of Christ.
---Luke on 10/13/14


"Your kind of logic" Rita? Indeed!!! That's mighty right of you or is it?:)

Why do you think I'm adding to & subtracting from the Bible? Surely you don't think in order for my statements to be valid I must think like you, do you? Really! Well, that's not so! God made me to be me & you to be you for His divine purposes & good pleasure.

The Bible says in the body of Christ (the Church) there are many members & we're not all the same? Have you noticed, God likes diversity (variety)?

You would do well to read 1 Corinthians 12 before you so harshly judge & criticize anyone Rita. I forgive you. :)
---Leon on 10/12/14


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Leon I DO understand your kind of logic here but you must also remember that we are told not to add to, or take away from, God's Word. We are to accept it as it is so I suggest you be very careful with statements you make. You have a perfect right to think and assume whatever you wish but don't 'teach' those things to others. If you do, you and those others will end up far removed from God's own Word to man. WE are responsible if we mislead others.
---Rita_H on 10/12/14


Genesis 5:4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.
---sin on 10/11/14


"...'obediently' be fruitful & multiply (have children, likely all girls) as God had commanded them.' Do you actually read the bible. If so, wherever did you get this idea that Eve 'likely had all girls'?..."
---Rita_H on 10/9/14


Yes I do read & meditated upon what is said in the Bible Rita. All I'm saying is 1.) A & E were obedient to God before they sinned. That means they did as He told them, i.e., be fruitful & multiply. 2.) Have you noticed, there's a distinct pattern in the Bible when it comes to identifying males by name & not naming females when they're born? That's why I BELIEVE "it's likely" the first children born to A & E were girls born before the fall.
---Leon on 10/10/14


//...Adam and Eve had both sons and daughters// Rita_H

the bible makes it clear that adam (male) had both sons and daughters.

some suggest that eve "knew" more than adam and adam may have "known" more than eve.

in gen. 4:1, it said that adam knew eve and she conceived. it did not actually say who the father was. in gen. 5:3, it said that adam (singular) had a son (after 130 years) to replace eve's Abel (his seed). in 4:25, it said that adam knew his wife again. it did not say eve exactly.

adam and eve's relationship problems began in gen. 3 when they were young when a snake in the grass started coming around.

i am just repeating. i lend no support to these suppositions.
---aka on 10/10/14


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Leon " "obediently" be fruitful & multiply (have children, likely all girls) as God had commanded them." Do you actually read the bible. If so, wherever did you get this idea that Eve 'likely had all girls'? Who do you think Cain and Abel were and how about Seth?

The bible makes it abundantly clear that Adam and Eve had both sons and daughters
---Rita_H on 10/9/14


Yes, Adam and Eve also had daughters.
That's where the remaining living sons got their wives.
At that time, "incest" was allowed only for the sake of beginning to populate the Earth (though it was not considered 'incest' in the sense of sin as it was later, by GOD).
Once the first family became big enough, GOD stopped the allowance of "incest". And, incest became sin at that point.
---Gordon on 10/8/14


You bet! It is pretty apparent that Adam and Eve had more children. Not all get mentioned. Obviously, they had a few daughters too and there was some inbreeding such as Abraham and his half sister Sarah before the command came from God through Moses to stop inbreeding.
---Sin on 10/8/14


Micha: I believe you're trying to force G17:4-6 into G3:20. But, the circumstances are as different as day & night. There isn't a contextual correlation between the two. :)
---Leon on 4/21/14


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Yes a future tense is in context.
Gen 17:4 ...thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Gen 17:5 ...a father of many nations have I made thee.
Gen 17:6 ...I will make nations of thee...
But notice v5 "made thee"-past tense. This was not yet, but most assuredly to be.
Regarding promises, the command is also the promise, for it is God who multiplies through their obedience.
Also, in Gen 3:16 the consequence also has the promise of children.
Therefore, "the mother of all living" does not need to be current as did the promise to Abraham, "the father of many nations."
Correlation:
Abraham, given name before the promise fulfilled.
Eve, given the name before the promise fulfilled.
---micha9344 on 4/21/14


"...[G3:20]...I...relate that directly to the 'father of many nations.' [G17:5]... The same with Eve, Adam knew she was "the mother of all living" because of the promises made both before the fall and after."
---Micha9344 on 4/21/14


Micha: I enjoy our respectful exchange of views too. Yes, iron sharpens iron brother! (Pv. 27:17) :)

I don't get your comparison of G3:20 to G17:5 because 17:5 speaks "future" not past tense. God told Abram he "shall" (will be). That's not the same as G3:20 wherein Eve "was" (past/present tense) the mother of all living". What promises? God told A & E to be fruitful & multiply. He made no promises to them.
---Leon on 4/21/14


Leon, It is always a joy to exchange ideas without controversy. Even though we disagree, our conversation is the "iron that sharpens iron."
Concerning Gen 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.", I would relate that directly to the "father of many nations."
Gen 17:5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham, for a father of many nations have I made thee.
Abraham was yet a "father of many nations", but God used the past tense, because it was going to be so.
The same with Eve, Adam knew she was "the mother of all living" because of the promises made both before the fall and after.
---Micha9344 on 4/21/14


//Did Adam and Eve have other children besides Cain, Abel and Seth?//

Yes they did, many. Otherwise were would not be here.
---Luke on 4/21/14


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Certainly we can disagree agreeably Micha though our views are vastly different in this matter.:)

I believe A & E were in the garden long enough to: tend the garden (G2:15), name the other creatures (G2:20), "obediently" be fruitful & multiply (have children, likely all girls) as God had commanded them. How else would Eve, named by Adam, "the mother of all living" (G3:20), have known & understood God regarding childbearing labor (G3:16) if she hadn't already experienced it?

Some bibles today say "would become". Others say Eve "WAS" (past tense) the mother of all living. The latter fits perfectly with what God said to Eve about her future childbearing.
---Leon on 4/19/14


Hi Leon,
It is good to try to keep a blog going to its limit to explore all avenues of thought so that we can rightly divide the truth (2 Tim 2:15).
You and I have discussed this before, but maybe a re-iteration may shed some new light on the matter.
As you may know, I believe A & E were not long in the garden before the fall.
Accordingly they would have had children after the fall.
This would answer the "when" and the "where", outside of Eden.
Our interpretations and conclusions of Gen 3:20 differ, but I believe we will both see God in the flesh someday (Job 19:26).
---micha9344 on 4/19/14


"The Bible has the simple answer to this:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
But, knowing Leon from his previous posts, there is a deeper question/answer session underlying this."
---micha9344 on 4/3/14

YEPPERS! Please allow me to rephrase the question. When & where did Adam & Eve begin to become fruitful & multiply? Along with what G5:4 says, does not earlier Genesis accounts likewise answer this question also?
---Leon on 4/17/14


\\Help moderator! Please deliver this blog from these SIN FILLED, QUARRELSOME (SHARP TONGUED) CHILDREN!!! Thanks.
---Leon on 4/12/14\\

Like you, Leon?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/16/14


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Help moderator! Please deliver this blog from these SIN FILLED, QUARRELSOME (SHARP TONGUED) CHILDREN!!! Thanks.
---Leon on 4/12/14

....and from the shouting, dull tongued, non-sinning b-daddies.
Thanks...from the kiddy pool.

Mat 17:25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

Mat 17:26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.
---Trav on 4/15/14


"The Bible has the simple answer to this:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
But, knowing Leon from his previous posts, there is a deeper question/answer session underlying this."
---micha9344 on 4/3/14


YEPPERS! Please allow me to rephrase the question. When & where did Adam & Eve begin to become fruitful & multiply? Along with what G5:4 says, does not earlier Genesis accounts likewise answer this question also?
---Leon on 4/15/14


All is well Trav. I didn't think you were speaking of me but it kind'a sounded like it.

The are some, as you know, that will jump at anything because they have nothing else to do but cause trouble.

Thanks and God Bless you!
---Elder on 4/13/14


Trav, please make it clear who you are speaking of here. It appears that you are speaking of me......
Thanks. God Bless.
---Elder on 4/10/14

Accept my apology to you...Elder.
Forgive the written assumption on my part that most were aware of the credibility boasting of some puffed self elected preachers. Self delivered, credibility tactics annoy me, more especially when little to no posted scripture is witnessed to verify their sta puffed "opinions".

Scripture posted as seen does stalk those who can't abide multiple witnessing scriptures or twist to their own slant.
Jer_3:15 And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.
---Trav on 4/13/14


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Help moderator! Please deliver this blog from these SIN FILLED, QUARRELSOME (SHARP TONGUED) CHILDREN!!! Thanks.
---Leon on 4/12/14


Kath, I have told you I no longer wish to communicate with you. The nonsense you have just posted is good evidence to support my decision. If you feel the need to attack me so crudely please feel free as I am not in the least bothered by your addled ravings. I suppose it is better you focus your anger upon me rather than upon someone who would take them seriously, and be hurt by them.
---Warwick on 4/12/14


Warwick to this day STILL believes I have not answered questions he said he overlooked and apologized for.

My only conclusion is Warwick has memory loss issues. And the belligerent way of conversation possibly suggests Warwick may be an alcoholic with dying brain cells.

I think we all have had such people in our lives and family, and no doubt can see some signs here.

You seem obsessed / possessed lately Warwick. Looking at your last 20 posts seems rather frightening like a cyber stalker to me. Family problems? Something is wrong. You should get help. It is unbecoming.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/14


Kath, my request to Wivv has nothing to do with you. Or are you now the self-appointed white-knight of all?

You are right I have pursued you for answers simply because you will not supply answers to pertinent questions because doing so would destroy your many foundationless stories. Honest people, with nothing to hide, answer, it is as simple as that!
---Warwick on 4/11/14


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"If I was child bearing age, I would not want to have children the way the world is today. I feel so bad for our young folks and what they are going to have to endure. I will be gone but my grandkids will still be here. My children will likely be here."
---shira4368 on 4/9/14


Shira: I don't recall at anytime God rescinding (revoking) His word & telling us not to "be fruitful & multiply". Pray, like Job, that your grans will walk with the Lord & that God will cover & protect them, your children & the other youth of today. Then, trust the Lord to meet their needs. (Prov. 3:5-6 ~ Mat. 6:9-13) Don't worry about it! God is in control of everything & His will be done in all things. :)
---Leon on 4/11/14


Wivv, you have had plenty of time to admit you have misrepresented what Jerry wrote. Be honest and admit your error. Otherwise we will know you were being deceitful.

---Warwick on 4/11/14

Yes we all know how you ask questions. Sounds DEMANDING to me. You've pulled this tactic on me over and over. If someone doesn't answer your DEMAND you accuse them of being deceitful. Maybe they just don't care to interact with you Warwick. Ever think of that?
---kathr4453 on 4/11/14


Hey Trav, serial cyber stalker! Still telling lies!

I know how many churches I have preached in because I was there, you weren't.

In your ramble you said "....he claims it's (the Bible) not necessary for him" Rubbish, I read the Bible cover to cover about every year, and do supplementary studies all the time. Still got a lot to learn though! Stop telling lies.

You claim I demand answers when in fact I ask for answers. And if someone will not answer I ask again, and again. Why not? Have they got something to hide?
---Warwick on 4/11/14


"He claims many things. A legend in his own mind. One claim is that he has preached over 600 times. (Implying/leveraging by his own acct he is a knowledgeably important sky pilot).
doesn't need a bible....he claims it's not necessary for him, he's read it so many times he understands the big picture.
He demands answers to his questions..... goes to france when he's trapped by scripture."
Trav

Trav, please make it clear who you are speaking of here. It appears that you are speaking of me.

Your post speaks of me and no one else and then you make this statement. Those who do not know may think this is a reference to me.

Thanks. God Bless.
---Elder on 4/10/14


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Warwick, if you really did let it go, why did you post another whining to Elder?

As a minister you claim to be, I am surprised at your behavior here on line.
---Anonymous on 4/9/14

He claims many things. A legend in his own mind. One claim is that he has preached over 600 times. (Implying/leveraging by his own acct he is a knowledgeably important sky pilot).
doesn't need a bible....he claims it's not necessary for him, he's read it so many times he understands the big picture.

He demands answers to his questions..... goes to france when he's trapped by scripture.
Jer_23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
---Trav on 4/10/14


Anonymous, either Kath lacks intelligence (which I doubt) or she is a serial misunderstander. She misunderstands things if she has no contrary argument or because she wants to provoke a result-arguing for the sake of arguing.

In comparison to Jesus' comments (Matthew 23:13-33) please quote just one unjust hurtful comment I have made to Kath.

Whining, where exactly?

You need to see that I wrote to Kath "You already know I have decided to let it go with you." My comments to Elder were not to Kath, were they?

Why are you anonymous? Afraid to use your actual name?

Where have I claimed to be a minister?

---Warwick on 4/10/14


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"Cluny, I have just read your blog again and am appalled at your ignorance..."
"Anyone reasonably literate knows 'day' has a number of meanings and all three are easy to understand in context. ..."
Not a fan of how you start blog entries in a "jabbing" manner with an air of superiority.
It is rather distracting and a waste of time except for those who relish in their own oratory.

---Nana on 11/26/13

I do not think much of Warwick either and that's not new.
---Nana on 4/9/14


Warwick, if you really did let it go, why did you post another whining to Elder? If kathr misunderstood your comment, it was innocent, and actually funny. I don't know why you have gone over the edge here. I also do not see hurtful comments from kathr, in comparison to the ones you have made. As a minister you claim to be, I am surprised at your behavior here on line. The comment was innocent. The follow-up was gracious. What more do you want?
---Anonymous on 4/9/14


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if I was child bearing age, I would not want to have children the way the world is today. I feel so bad for our young folks and what they are going to have to endure. I will be gone but my grandkids will still be here. my children will likely be here.
---shira4368 on 4/9/14


I hit you, I hit you back! Really?!

The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness (self-control) & temperance (sobriety).

If you two "children" are finished fighting one another (displaying your sin nature for all to see) just maybe this blog can get back on track. Thank you!
---Leon on 4/9/14


So much like Lee-Leonia. Maybe His wife?
---Warwick on 4/8/14


For some reason, I have a hard time understanding your words.
Oh I get it now you were ASKING me if I was leej's wife....and you assume THAT was an innocent remark, after the last time you made that comment, and I REBUKED you then. Then you correct spelling and who knows what else you have said to provoke.

This only shows how little you know me, or how very little if anything you have ever read of what I post. So again being accused of not answering questions I have answered 100 times and then some, explain your behavior here. REMEMBER you did apologize when you did finally see I had answered your question over 6 times. Grow up please.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14


Brothers/sisters today, must not procreate because of serious genetic faults we all carry, because of sin. ///

To be honest here, those who are not brothers and sisters still carry genetic issues, and we are seeing more and more as time goes by.....

Brothers and sisters should not procreate because it is against God's laws. It's called incest whether there are genetic issues or not.
---kathr453 on 4/9/14


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Elder, I wrote "Brothers/sisters today, must not procreate because of serious genetic faults we all carry, because of sin." Considering the context I believe what I wrote is clear i.e. a brother must not procreate with a female born as his sister. That is children born of the same earthly parents must not procreate.

If we have to explain each point in detail we would never have room to cover many points.
---Warwick on 4/9/14


Kath, my recent history with you is your dummy spit, refusal to answer pertinent questions, misrepresentation of what I have written, and creative misunderstanding. In this you are so much like Lee of many names. How do I know who you are? And BTW I did not "accuse" you of being Lee or his wife. More misrepresentation.

Let it go? You already know I have decided to let it go with you, because of the above mentioned behaviour of yours.

Can you now let it go?
---Warwick on 4/9/14


Thank you Elder. Warwick has overreacted and again has shown it by making false accusations that I am LeeJ's wife. Really Warwick, will you ever stop with this childish behavior. You really need to take a step back and see how un Christ like some of your comments are to me....with these under the breath remarks.

Get over what ever it is that you are troubled with. It only breads unrighteousness.

Do you know what is it to LET GO?
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14


Warwick, in defense of kathr, I think she was clarifying your statement.

She has to debate enough spiritual error elsewhere to have to create something else.
---Elder on 4/9/14


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Steven, Leon, and Elder, thank you for your comments. You are correct: my point is that because of man's fall and the punishment God visited upon him it is now dangerous for brother and sister to procreate, because of the increasing genetic load in the human genome. And of course illegal.

I believe Kath is well aware of my meaning. When she has nothing of substance to argue about she makes things up. So much like Lee-Leonia. Maybe His wife?
---Warwick on 4/8/14


Leon, read the fifth answer up from the bottom of the list here. Many of us have said virtually the same thing.

The question asks about siblings. There would have been no future people if God had not created more than those three sons . Girls were never named but scripture makes clear that there were sons AND daughters. For there to be nieces at least one of Adam's children had to also have had children - with a woman (a sister).

This isn't rocket science it's plain common sense.
---Rita_H on 4/9/14


Bothers and sisters here in this conversation was not the general greeting to Christains? Or brothers and sisters TODAY should not procreate? Brothers and sisters meaning of the same blood line?.

I thought I would tell you WHY I posted that. Sometimes the way we post words, gives a different meaning than the one the poster meant.

But Warwick meant , TODAY brothers and sisters should not procreate because of genetic defects. But his post was: brothers/sisters, ( comma) TODAY .....

Anyway good advice Warwick, brothers and sisters of the same mother and father today should not procreate, not only because of defects, but because it's illegal TODAY. I'm not sure how many b/s TODAY even want to procreate.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14


Of coarse Cain married his sister. Abraham also married his half sister, as even during Abraham's time it happened. But that was before the LAW. So no foul. In the gentile world, brothers and sisters still married,as was the case during the time of John the Baptist and why he got into hot water. Some saved gentile wanted to marry his dead fathers wife, and was shunned .....according to Corinthians. The queen of Hawaii was married to her brother until missionaries came and showed how wrong it was. But in their mind it was perfectly innocent. She got saved, gave up her brother and then died of a broken heart.

So Cain marrying his sister was no big deal.
---kathr453 on 4/9/14


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"...Cain must have married his sister or close kin..." ---Elder on 4/8/14

Wow Elder! Besides myself, I think you are the only other person on these blogs bold enough to make such a statement. I've long held that Abel may have had a wife & children. I believe Gen. 4:14-15 speaks to that. Afterall, the only other alternative of Cain marrying a sister would definitely be his marrying a niece.
---Leon on 4/8/14


Kath, I think you have finally lost the plot.

Please quote me where I have said we should not have children. But you cannot can you? But that won't stop you!
---Warwick on 4/8/14


"Warwick, are you saying...we must not procreate...Not have children...Are you serious?
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14
Usually daughters were never mentioned in the genealogies...You'd never know they [the sons of Jacob] had...sisters, but for the fact that Dinah was abducted and taken for a wife...after that you don't hear of Dinah again."
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14


Kat: Please read Warwick carefully. What he meant to say was siblings (brothers & sisters) must not procreate.

Men aren't superior to women as some would suppose. God made male & female to be co-equal. Yet, His plan is for man to have the dominant (headship) role in the family & church. That's seen from Gen.-Rev.
---Leon on 4/8/14


"Warwick, are you saying Today we must not procreate? Not have children? Are you serious?"
kathr4453

kathr, I think Warwick was speaking about close relationships procreating as in the time of Adam.

Cain must have married his sister or close kin. Because sin had not affected the genetics as bad then as now it was allowed.

We are all related in the broad scope of things. We are all in the same family physically.

I think that is what Warwick was saying.
---Elder on 4/8/14


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kathr4453, Warwick was specifically talking about brothers and sisters, not the general public.

Besides, is it a good idea to give birth to children in these last days? Isn't there a warning in the bible about giving birth in the last days?
---Steveng on 4/8/14


Warwick, are you saying Today we must not procreate? Not have children? Are you serious?
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14


Usually daughters were never mentioned in the genealogies. Just take Dinah, the sister of the sons of Jacob. You would never know they had any sisters, but for the fact that Dinah was abducted and taken for a wife of a neighboring village that ended in disaster. And after that you don't hear of Dinah again.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14


See Genesis 5:4 "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

Brothers/sisters today, must not procreate because of serious genetic faults we all carry, because of sin. It is most likely that our sister/s will carry the same genetic fault/s as we, meaning that any children will suffer serious abnormality. There is not space here to go into detail.

Adam and Eve were created without genetic defects, and such defects would therefore have been insignificant, in the early days, so not problematic. The reason God forbade brother/sister procreation some 1,800 years later was most certainly because genetic faults had increased to a dangerous degree.
---Warwick on 4/5/14


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I believe that Adam and Eve had to also have had daughters. That would be where Cain got his wife from. Back then, "incest" was allowable. Well, more than just 'allowable', it was necessary, in order to start the growth of the human race. Once there were enough human beings, YAH (Almighty GOD) discontinued the allowance of "incestuous" marriage and coupling.
---Gordon on 4/4/14


"The bible makes it perfectly clear that he had other sons & daughters. Had he not had daughters there would have been no next generation... "
---Rita_H on 4/3/14


Very good Rita. Bits of FACTS are crucial to discovering & knowing the truth. Facts clearly enlightens understanding & brings everything into perspective where it really makes sense. For example, I know some folk who are stuck on questions like: Where did Cain's wife come from? We know the fact of the matter is she was either his sister or niece. Yes, I believe Abel had a wife... :)
---Leon on 4/3/14


The bible makes it perfectly clear that he had other sons and daughters. Had he not had daughters there would have been no next generation. God did not make procreating with siblings a sin until much later when there was far more choice of marital partners around.

Many have probably only heard of the first 3 males because that is all that some R.E. teachers know about also. School teachers take R.E. classes as a secondary subject and are not particularly interested in getting to the truth or 'little details' like Adam actually DID have other children.
---Rita_H on 4/3/14


Spot on response Micha! You did it in record time. :) I applaud your Berean-like conduct!

I really don't have a hidden agenda in this (or any other) blog, but just want to see who really reads & actually comprehends what the Bible plainly says without anyone's private interpretations.
Frequently, Often I'm amazed at the number of bloggers who seemingly don't comprehend the blog question but immediately go off half cocked, on a tangent, down the rabbit hole into Never Land.

I believe there's a lot more to be said about the "unnamed" children of A & E. I look forward to your insights Micha. :) That applies also to anyone else who may want to mine (dig deep into) the Bible for God's precious nuggets of truth.
---Leon on 4/3/14


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You are never going to know as women were not considered important the ancient world unless they were wealthy or powerful rulers. You are not reading history you are reading Hebrew oral traditions and they are very ethnocentric in nature. Hebrew tribal stories do not say they are the only people, they are saying they are the only people that count. Moses authorship starts in Genius Chapter 10 and the Hebrew priests did not start transcribing oral traditions until well after the conquest of Palestine. The Hebrew priests are picking what oral tradition they want to use and the order of presentation so it is not a true history.

Read The Bible in Order edited by Joseph Rhymer -- Doubleday 1975
---Blogger9211 on 4/3/14


The Bible has the simple answer to this:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:
But, knowing Leon from his previous posts, there is a deeper question/answer session underlying this.
---micha9344 on 4/3/14


Leon ,How many children could a couple have in 930 years???
---1st_cliff on 4/3/14


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