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There are many cult members/leaders and false prophets on the Internet. How does anyone become a cult member?

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 ---Leon on 4/3/14
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I quote Christ and it offends you? It is to be expected if you find yourself in the wrong side of the path he taught.
He said, John 12:47_48 "And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day."

By your own mouth, "I had become involved in a 'seemingly cultic' church and am still embattled for more than 2 years trying to get free of their influence and directives."
You still sound like the 'cult' is very much in you. I hope you get well soon.
---Nana on 5/3/14


Dear Jasden,
I do not think any of us were getting personal with one another. We were responding to what others were righting and answering back with Scripture. Why do you get personal. It is not about us, it is about what is written in the Bible. Answers responding with the word of God. You are not answering about the word of God only how you do not like us even discussing the word of God. I addressed Samuel, as I have before, and he responds to me very kindly. I love him and I know he loves me. So why are you getting on us? Did we hurt your feelings? tell us how.
---Luke on 5/4/14


"Most depend on their pastor to tell them what to believe and never check if something is true."

Samuel, what you say is true but it is a sad fact that many pastors disapprove of any members who check out what is said in the pulpit and absolutely hate being challenged.

I told a pastor's wife that I wished to ask her husband about something he's said and she said that I should not do that as he spoke for God and that pastor's should never be challenged.

I did not stay very long in that church.
---Rita_H on 5/4/14


Nana, when you preach Paul, you fail to take into account his failings that brought him to repentance.
When you preach Christ, you use verses that condemn, exposing your own attempt to control. Exposing your own vindictive nature, but all the while fail to admit your own wickedness.
You fail to understand the parable of the sower.
The four types of ground are not different people.
It represents stages in our lives.
All have born fruit.
Maybe because of your misinterpretation your authority has began to be removed. Maybe you have become fearful and bitter of your control being removed.
---Jesdan1 on 5/3/14


Good point Tzadig. We don't know how to worship, so we hang on to what has been written in the Bible.
But obviously something happens in all of our lives bringing us revelation.
Lord Jesus forgive our sight judgment of others.
Many misinterpret psalms and proverbs and letters to the churchs and create in their minds the very stipulation and old wives tales we're warned against.
These same people esteem themselves chosen by God (and themselves without fault) to lead others.
Do these 'cult' leaders then hold in contempt those that disagree with the multiple fictitious ordinance they establish?
And then begin to incorporate and pray onto others the same accusation and calamity found in scripture?
---Jesdan1 on 5/3/14




Tzrdig ,if you think baptist is a false doctrine, you have just been left behind. My church is certainly not a cult and besides that it is no where near a cult. We are a bible believing body of Christ. We are not contemporary or modern. God is the same all ways from the beginning. If you want to go somewhere else to church, that is your freedom but don't even start on me about my church, it is clear you don't know one thing about baptist.
---shira4368 on 5/3/14


I've been a baptist. Guess what it was a man made religion teaching as doctrine the traditions of men.

My wife was a catholic before we married guess what. It is a man made religion teaching as doctrines the traditions of men.

These are Jesus's own words displaying what he considered cultish practices.

So when you claim that a congregation or movement who teaches as doctrine is the commandments of the Lord is a cult.. guess what You come off and someone speaking vain and puffed up words teaching as doctrine the traditions of men.
By YOUR very definition of yourselfs compared to the words of Paul and Jesus you are the people who are a cult not those of lovingly obey the Word of God of which Jesus is in the flesh
---Tzadiq on 5/2/14


Thanks Candice.
---Marc on 5/2/14


Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."

I have seen lots of honest people of good heart, not given to excess and who follow the narrow way. You come off as one of those sorry saps who "shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

2 Peter 2:18 "For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error."

You're trying to drag people back to the error you live in. It is not working.
---Nana on 5/2/14


Nana and Luke, you sound like you're both from the same church.
Do us a favor, pray with your obviously gigantic faith against those that oppress and push people out of Christian churches.
Pray against those that are actually committing the acts of which St. Paul speaks of.
But, if you did that, than you would actually be praying against yourself, wouldn't you?
But first take a deep breath and call out, "we've betrayed you Lord Jesus, we've strangled the church you were trying to build, forgive us Lord we have regressed and are content to praise You in our hearts we now give Your church to those that will produce Your fruit Lord"
---Jesdan1 on 5/2/14




Yes Luke your point about the laws is absolutely correct. It is what I am stating. So all I ask is think and pray about what you wrote.

Many fall to the cult because they let others think for them.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/2/14


Dear Samuel,
The written law is very much alive. It condemns all those who are lost who are without Christ for breaking the law. The Christian is dead to the condemning power of the law (Romans 8:1-3) but still very much under it's command of obedience as a guide to right living before God (Romans 3:31: Romans 6, 1 Cor. 5: 6:9-20.
Another purpose for the law is to act as a custodian to bring individuals to Christ Galatians 3:22-24 by showing them their sinfulness, so the law serves as a tutor or a guide, It shows them their only hope is through Christ. Samuel, lets get back to the blog topic, ok? Agape Samuel
---Luke on 5/2/14


1 Corinthians 6:9_10 "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Paul is saying that we should not do any of those things to the letter if we desire the inheritance of the kingdom of God.

Rod4Him on 5/1/14, good and sound exposition.
---Nana on 5/1/14


Anyways Leon, maybe this has turned into a 'what to avoid when you're searching for a church' blog.
Beware those leaders that can't admit their own fallacy. Things escalate real quick when their ideals are threatened.
And Jesus speaks of heavy loads thrust on to others.
Beware of those teaching almost exclusively 'Pauline' doctrine. Or bringing certain others' untested 'methods' to create sensation.
Personally I think some of these 'leaders' are better suited to teach an occupation rather than prop themselves up with mimicry and become greater and more faithful than anyone we've ever seen.
If someone talked about me like this, I would want to refute that. I might even start laughing.
---Jesdan1 on 5/1/14


Marc,
No I never was a Jehovahs witness. I attended at one time ,but never baptised by them. I no longer asosciate myself with the jehovahs witnesses.
---candice on 5/1/14


Okay Luke.
Written law says do not murder, steal , lie, commit adultery, Covet, take GODS name in vain, worship false gods, honor our Parents and rest as well as worship on the Sabbath.
If you do any of these then you are following the written law. We must have JESUS and grace to be saved. On that we agree. We cannot keep the law is true.
1John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
1John 4:20

1John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

You say that the laws GOD wrote down are wrong. Are you familiar with the Quakers. They said something similar. Psalm 1.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


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Luke sure brings a lot of contention on this blog and others where there should be none.
We can read for ourselves in the Bible now.
We believe on Christ.
Luke, are you trying to control this blog too?
Go Agape your wife. Maybe then you both won't try to define everyone else from Proverbs.
We're trying to identify those that pose as someone else, but are really putrid and deceitful (thus our need), not some fantastic ideal not attainable by us, that in fact you propose by (faulty assessment) and misinterpretation.
Is that really your name, Luke?
---Jesdan1 on 5/1/14


Matthew 13:41_43 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity,And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

I hear that the unrighteous and them who work iniquity will be wailing.

See, Matthew 13:49_50 "So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,..."

1 John 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." (Except for Lisa)
---Nana on 5/1/14


//You want to make Saturday Sabbath a law, then you will find yourself under the written law, which would then condemn you.//

Is there something wrong with respecting the Sabbath? Any set of rules can be turned into a legalistic attitude. For example, is reading Scripture a law or something that has good merits. If one doesn't read Scripture are they to be condemned?
The answer may be, if one loves God, they'll want to read scripture. So should the attitude be toward the Shabbat, but not legalistically.
---Rod4Him on 5/1/14


//Amen Luke.

JESUS is asking us to love perfectly and fully. Which leads to doing the law of GOD.//

Dear Samuel,
not once was I promoting the written Law of God. I was promoting the love we have for Christ as believers. You want to add the written law to that love. No one can keep the whole law, which is the reason we need Christ perfect works.
You are so worried about the Saturday Sabbath that you see it everywhere. You want to make Saturday Sabbath a law, then you will find yourself under the written law, which would then condemn you. Do you want to be condemned instead of free? Keeping Saturday Sabbath as a law does not excuse you from keeping the whole law, and you cannot. Agape
---Luke on 5/1/14


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Amen Luke.

JESUS is asking us to love perfectly and fully. Which leads to doing the law of GOD.


James 2:8

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


//Why would God to tell us to do the inevitable?//

Dear James,
Because God cannot ask for anything less.
He cannot say, sin a little,
love some, cuss a little, lie a little. Since He is perfect, He ask for perfection.
When Jesus said you should love God with all your mind, soul, He was not speaking to anyone who was saved already. For He knew that if we loved God, it was because He first loved us. And all those who are born of the Spirit love Christ, because God loved them first.
Eph. 2:4,5 tells us,
"But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ, by grace you have been saved," Agape
---Luke on 5/1/14


\\ a true Christian loves the Lord with all his heart and soul..... //---Luke on 4/30/14

If that were true, why would we be instructed to do so?

Why would God to tell us to do the inevitable?
---James_L on 4/30/14


Luke: I agree with what you've said. However, I stand on my statement based upon personal observation of Christian Bible illiteracy on these blogs & elsewhere.

Unfortunately that's very true Sam. Sixty percent ~ wow! Based upon stats like that, there should be no real wonder how & why cults abound. The blind are leading the blind.
---Leon on 4/30/14


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According to the last study I remember 60% of the people who attend church in the United States have never read the Bible. Less then 10% read it on a daily basis.

Most depend on their pastor to tell them what to believe and never check if something is true.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/14


//Many alleged Christians don't read nor study their Bibles, so they're easy picking for the devilish cults.//

Dear Leon,
you are welcome to disagree with me. But you say, "many alleged Christians don't read or study their bibles."
Leon, a true Christian loves the Lord with all his heart and soul, and anyone who loves the Lord as we do, reads the Bible and studies. When a person loves someone, they want to know all they can about who they love. If they do not have an ear to hear, they don't belong to God. Those born of the Spirit have an ear to hear, and I am not talking about physical hearing, but spiritual. All believers have an ear to hear. But you are permitted to disagree, Agape
---Luke on 4/30/14


It is sad I find myself having to pray so much protection against seemingly godly people.

If these people would see and realize and pray about and ask resolution for their own problems before they renounce others secretly, this world would be a better place.
---Jesdan1 on 4/29/14


Luke 8:15 "But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience."

Back then there was not much printed and most just heard and many kept the word. Way back Israel was taught the word of God and advised, "And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.", Deuteronomy 6:7

It appears to me that rather that it is not that there is very little Bible reading as much as there is very little meditating on it all day and living it.
Matthew 13:52
---Nana on 4/21/14


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Many alleged Christians don't read nor study their Bibles, so they're easy picking for the devilish cults.

---Leon on 4/21/14

I do have to agree here. It takes our obedience to the Word of God to keep us out of trouble. Your Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path...something like that...You must read and stay in God's Word and in His Light. Satan can deceive and be an angel of LIGHT and preacher of Righteousness. Satan even used the "Word of God" to test Jesus. It takes great maturity to be able to discern evil at some levels.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/14


The deterioration of Agape love begins (began) with deceit. Same for a leaders anointing.
Maybe it is very possible, those leaders then promoting any blessing and asking of God, what they ask is not granted, or is then cursed, because they ask knowing what they promote is contemptible.

But, these 'leaders' are convinced of their own self-righteousness, and become spiritually abusive to everyone else, creating more enemies to focus their own misgivings on, bringing more judgment upon themselves.
These 'cult' leaders have degenerated to Old Testament cursing as an answer, perpetuating a curse on themselves.
---Jesdan1 on 4/21/14


"...Only people who are lost can join a cult. [?!] Believers in Christ are guided by the Holy Spirit to all truth. He is not along. Those who are along go many different ways. Agape"
---Luke on 4/21/14


I respectfully disagree Luke. There are many well-meaning Christians who are self-deceived & don't know they're in cults that worship the place (building) where they worship & worship the manipulating, intimidating & dominating pastors, bishops, elders, (the creation) instead of worshiping God (the Creator) & Him only! The Holy Spirit guides those who have an ear to hear what God says. Many alleged Christians don't read nor study their Bibles, so they're easy picking for the devilish cults.
---Leon on 4/21/14


Luke

There is the Spirit that makes human being alive and walking the earth.
James 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
That is the Spirit that returns to GOD at our death.
Ecc 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
But when Adam sinned he was no longer spiritually alive. He and all since are dead in trespasses and sin. 1Co 15:22, 45
We need the HOLY SPIRIT to make us alive spiritually since we are dead to GOD, which is why we have to be Born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. So we were using the same word for two different things. I apologize for not recognizing this earlier.
Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/21/14


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//There are many cult members/leaders and false prophets on the Internet. How does anyone become a cult member?//

Only people who are lost can join a cult. Believers in Christ are guided by the Holy Spirit to all truth. He is not along. Those who are along go many different ways. Agape
---Luke on 4/21/14


Thanks for the definition of the return of Christ, Luke.
Bravo. Totally agree.

We should contemplate the multitude and instances of Jesus appearances throughout history, and our own lives.

Hopefully those cult leaders will see this and direct their prayers to worthy pursuits, and not human conquest.
---Jesdan1 on 4/18/14


//You say that a spirit and the resurrected body are the same thing//

Dear Samuel,
Never said that. Our spirit which is born of God as Christians is already with Christ.
You asked me before where did the spirit die? The day Adam sinned, and now all of his descendants are born spiritually dead because of him. The very reason Jesus said a person must be born again, of the Spirit in order to enter the Kingdom of God.
Why do you not believe in the spiritual birth?
"Set your minds on things above, not on things on the earth. For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory" Colossians 3:2-4. That's the Second Coming.
---Luke on 4/18/14


Now to try and answer the question without referring to my own (real or imagined) betrayal.
People may become 'initiated' into these 'cults' by, like someone else mentioned, lack of support elsewhere.
By continuing to be subject to these others strange 'doctrines' and stipulation, a person, unless abiding in Christ and humility and prayer, succumbs to these peoples 'will', becoming unable to escape the shroud of gossip and confusion projected onto the victim.
Ironically, these 'cults' may even be godly people, but their refusals and accumulated superstition restrict and strangle positive growth.
---Jesdan1 on 4/17/14


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The definition of "spirit" "Pneuma" means the immaterial, invisible part of man, the resurrection body, the inward man, and many more. It communicates with God.
The ungodly do not have a relationship with God. They are spiritually dead.
Luke From Mercy at time of death.

Agreed the ungodly do not have a relationship with GOD.

You say that a spirit and the resurrected body are the same thing. So our resurrected body leaves our current body and then needs to become a resurrected body at the second coming. How does that work?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/17/14


//"In the beginning was an angel, and this angel was with God, and this angel was a god.//

Nowhere are these words found in Scripture. "a god" is not God. Jesus is God because He is the Word of God. We are told there is only One God.
---Luke on 4/17/14


Hold the following as doctrine and you have become a member of a cult:

"In the beginning was an angel, and this angel was with God, and this angel was a god. This angel was in the beginning with God. All [other] things were made through this angel, and without this angel nothing [else] was made that was made. In this angel was life, and the life was the life of men...And this angel became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld this angel's glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father...No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son/angel, who is in the bosom of the Father, this angel has declared him."
---Marc on 4/16/14


Jesdan: You can disagree with me anytime you like. :) I'm not convinced what you say is what L.w meant & would appreciate it if he/she would clarify.
---Leon on 4/15/14


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In my experience, I had watched a church become 'cultic', and could discern the chronology of distortion of the truth.
While initially there was propriety displayed and spoken, there seemed to be deviations that began around the time of the birth of their grand daughter.
And while this is a joyous occasion, there is a reckoning to be dealt with.
Who is the father? Is there not going to be an accounting of the structure here?
Do other church members become a sort of guilt offering in this situation?

Who will father the child?
Will this not create long term deficit of principles?
Evidently, the rest of their church is OK with this structure. Will they not become corrupted by the fallacy presented?
---Jesdan1 on 4/14/14


Not to disagree with you Leon. We certainly need that personal relationship with Christ.
I think Love.wins meant just what Jesus said about the division we encounter when coming to Him.
And about leaving all else behind to be able to discern the truth of His promises through the constant distractions projected onto us today.
Where we have to substitute our selves for the incrimination written of in any accusation of the old or new testament.
We have to (and we do) put ourselves in place of any conviction levied against any person or city mentioned in scripture to appreciate what Jesus did.
Cult leaders can't fathom this and promote 'themselves' as the only authority.
---Jesdan1 on 4/14/14


Did I see a blog on becoming a church member?
These may in some instances be much the same, though some churches go by more respected, common or accepted names or identifications. Becoming a member could entail one being deceived. Why may vary but I would think that the cult fills, or rather is perceived to fill, some lack in ones life, even if one is unaware of any impetus. It may be the desire for love, acceptance, respect, happiness, recognition and more. In a broken world or a broken life, where so much is painful, sad and frightening, relief alone would be compelling, offering hope, even though false. They simply do not understand
---Chria9396 on 4/11/14


Thanks for the vote of confidence Elena9555.
Certainly all will agree this necessary for our spiritual growth. And as Candice referred to, immersion in His Word.
The ignorance of my own past brought me to reduction and ultimately, repentance.
How I loath to speak harshly of a church representing Christian faith, but there has to be an admission on their part of deception presented, if only to themselves.
These 'cults' make the aggression of scripture and violent Psalms the anthem of their preaching, warring against any who oppose 'their' will.

---Jesdan1 on 4/11/14


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"Every religious group is considered a cult by at least one other religious group. So we are all members of cults."
---Love.wins on 4/9/14


L.w: Your religious assumption is false. All persons who are standing "outside" of a personal relationship with God, as outlined in the Bible, are in cults (pseudo-intellectual religious cultures). Their religious views are based on varied personal opinions/theories about truth. Cults view Judeo-Christianity, thru blind self-righteousness, as false while they themselves stand on sinking sand & perish.

Real Christians stand upon the solid rock of God's word (the Bible). What God alone says is true. All else is cultic!

Matthew 7:24-27
---Leon on 4/11/14


I think Rita and Cluny, together, got real close.

Concerning the victim, he/she is looking for something. Maybe something bigger than self, maybe truth, acceptance, etc

But someone in the cult took the time to find the seeker and offer something appealing - even if it's false

The victim doesn't set out to become enslaved, but is open to anyone who seems to care
---James_L on 4/10/14


To Bro.Jesdan, I think You are really telling it like it really is and I know from experience,alot that goes on really confussion in these places.Thankyou, very much both posts are right on! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/10/14


These churches become cultic when some violation of ordinance is allowed for them, but not for others.
Beware if it seems as though what is taught, is in contradiction to what was just spoken by another member.
The alpha male & female deceive the subordinates, bringing subtle accusation entrenching everyone else in guilt.
This is a diversion to maintain control and power.
When this hierarchy is threatened by certain truths or conflict, bitterness and dissension erupt.
The resultant prayers, in essence, are sacrilegious.


---Jesdan1 on 4/10/14


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Another post is right on. -Jn 10:4,5
These churches become cultic. Thus their leaders become unwittingly responsible for much of the derision and controversy that surrounds them.
But these people still insist on being in control of every aspect of worship, because they 'own' the church building.
Their prayers are full of contention and blame.
They retreat to their large homes after church and watch football on Sundays.
Their big fat ego won't let someone who truly has come to the Lord Jesus worship in truth.
This because of fear, entitlement and faulty directives.
---Jesdan1 on 4/10/14


I think these well intentioned churches unconsciously become cultic when living amongst their own compromise for so many years.
They dutifully try to promote the gospel through the years, but like the pharisees invent rules.
And when searching for answers to what is causing their own demise, blame others for some offense that they themselves commit.(but of course this is hidden and forgivable so is never addressed because now days is seen as acceptable)
Then through deception, flattery, entitlement, and coercion have their members 'pray against' what is seen as attack, creating the destruction St. Paul speaks of.
---Jesdan1 on 4/10/14


//There are many cult members/leaders and false prophets on the Internet. How does anyone become a cult member?//

All who are lost, the ungodly, are deceived. Anyone of them can join a cult. Nothing stops them.
Believers in Christ are not deceived because the Spirit is their guide.
"And when He brings out His own sheep, He goes before them, and the sheep follow Him, for they know His voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers." John 10:4,5.
The assumption is that they are already in some way His sheep even before He calls them by name (v.25-27, 6:37,39, 44, 64, 65: 17:6,9,24). Agape
---Luke on 4/10/14


Candice,

By any chance are you the famous (ex?)JW who just won a law suit against the Watchtower?
---Marc on 4/9/14


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Every religious group is considered a cult by at least one other religious group. So we are all members of cults.
---Love.wins on 4/9/14


Certainly Marc.
Jesus can only prove in our minds and hearts that our prayers of healing, protection, and resolution negate those others prayers of violence, offense and cursing.
But maybe we can only call that misinterpretation for now. This topic will not be explained correctly if some posts are omitted.
These cults are more similar to a pharaoh that will not let anyone worship God, or like guards that want to try and prevent anyone from leaving a sinking ship.
---Jesdan1 on 4/9/14


Jesdan,

You don't beg a question here but raise a question. To beg a question means you assume the truth of what you should be proving. E.g. Christians are always thinking of money. See that Christian guy has a Porsche and that proves Christians always think of money.
---Marc on 4/8/14


This topic begs the questions:
Should pastors be allowed to continue teaching people, especially women and children, when they themselves fail to admit inflated ego and present their unwed daughters single parenting as acceptable by avoiding any reference to this issue?
Is this not deception and impropriety?
Does this not contaminate principle and structure in the church? In these leaders decision making?
---Jesdan1 on 4/8/14


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Christ and life are truth.
We are deceptive in anything we try to prophesy. Things are not conveyed correctly.
So most get the title of heretic if it does not line up with popular opinion.
What happens when that opinion becomes distorted by multiple feminine preference and denial affected by a single masculine narcissistic egotist?
Cult like churches praying against ourselves, casting blame, and esteeming ourselves above others, righteous refusing to listen to the very aged or the very young.
Sort of like how ancient Israel drove all others out of it's way only to become complacent and judging later, and eventually corrupt, but unable to admit it even to themselves.
I wonder if some of the pharisees prayed for Jesus' demise?
---Jesdan1 on 4/8/14


Beware of churches that pray in tongues. You might not know what you're saying 'Amen' to.

---Jesdan1

Amen.
---aka on 4/6/14


To Jasden1hope got your name correct. I looked over your post, interesting..you bring out a very good point.There are churches last few yrs.
Notice no prayer or no bible reading,
It like they come for ? --what?
It' like when you were a kid..you get bored, go off to a friends house.
Not good.
Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/6/14


"...if [you're] referring to different cuhrches that donot linen up with the trinity view they arnt cults, their center is Jesus Christ, people just think they are cults because they disagree with them. the biggest cult I have seen are the mainstream cuhrches whom a trinitarians & say their denomination is the only way..."
---Candice on 4/5/14


Candy: Though the word "trinity" isn't in the Bible, doesn't the entire Bible show the One True & Living God exists in three persons (Father, Son & Holy Spirit)? Do cults teach against what the Bible says?

If people's views don't line up with what the Bible says are they cultic in their beliefs & practices? Is their Jesus real or imagined?
---Leon on 4/6/14


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If you mean by "cult" as the Jim Jones, FLDS, & david koresh, yes we should avoid those types because they take us away from family. However if oyu are referring to different cuhrches that donot linen up with the trinity view they arnt cults, their center is Jesus Christ, people just think they are cults because they disagree with them. the biggest cult I have seen are the mainstream cuhrches whom a trinitarians & say their denomination is the only way. How did I get out of them? I left, withdrew membership, & accepted Jesus as my lord & as the SON of God. THe GOd i follow is the one he follows as HE states in john 20:17. The best thing you can do is abide by Jesus & the gospel he taught
---Candice on 4/5/14


according to the definition of a cult, there's none larger than the Roman Catholic Church!
---1st_cliff on 4/5/14


I had become involved in a 'seemingly cultic' church and am still embattled for more than 2 years trying to get free of their influence and directives.
They seemed to preach Christ and worship well enough, but certain stipulation and hidden ordinance are projected, and as someone else said they seem to target vulnerable people and subject them to questionable doctrine keeping them enslaved to their own whim, or even using them as objects of hostility.
These people are very possessive and highly offended when told or exposed of their own corruption.
Beware of people or churches that do not include themselves in prayers.
Beware of churches that pray in tongues. You might not know what you're saying 'Amen' to.
---Jesdan1 on 4/5/14


I am a born again believer and no part of a cult but I have a family member tell me I was in a cult. she has been brainwashed by her husband who brags about how long it's been since he went to church. The whole thing is sad. He makes fun of my church and my beliefs. Makes fun of the old hymns like "standing on the promises of God" and " victory in Jesus".
---shira4368 on 4/5/14


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Believe Jesus is a created being, an angel, didn't resurrect physically, don't allow doctors to give a blood transfusion to your dying child etc etc, and that's how you join a cult.
---Marc on 4/5/14


Leon, Power of suggestion for sure (which is also the key to successful sales) and it all "seems" to fit with scripture! (like most denominations)
Jesus' advice was "keep on the watch" satan can appear as an angel of light!
---1st_cliff on 4/4/14


Cliff: Persuasion, hmmm! How? Would that be through the power of suggestion in the same way the serpent coyly ensnared Eve with his lies by projecting that he understood her problem & then offering, what appeared to be, a plausible & positive solution?

"Life is full of injustice and uncetainty. People CRAVE certainty and predictability. They will flock to anyone who will promise this..."
---StrongAxe on 4/3/14


'Axe: Yes, Hitler & a plethora of other historical & religious monsters, e.g., Jim Jones, David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, etc.

Some people are born into cults, e.g., snake handlers, etc.
---Leon on 4/4/14


Hello, certainly got to agree life is full of uncertainty, injustice, etc..all respect to you all.1stCliff really agree that they are very persuasive.I love my daugher very much.It' been hard to live my life, not knowing if she is alive or not, my prayers continue..she
knows I am a forgiving person. I hope
she comes bk home one day, make amends God bless her get saved.
I will love her in life and in death.Mother' love never cease..
God love even deeper.thankyou all for being here.
Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/4/14


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Life is full of injustice and uncetainty. People CRAVE certainty and predictability. They will flock to anyone who will promise this. Cults promise this, by painting everyting in black and white (i.e. you're with us, or you're the enemy, etc.), which makes them so attractive. This can also happen in non-religious contexts - for example, look at how easy it was for Hitler to take over post-depression Germany by promising law, order, and economic prosperity. This even applies to legitimate religious denominations - searching people are much more likely to join groups that promise certainty and black-and-white-thinking (like fundamentalism and extremism) than groups that require one to take an active part in thinking things out for oneself.
---StrongAxe on 4/3/14


Leon, Having been a cult member for many years , I can tell you a one word answer.
It's also the same method for joining any denomination!
PERSUASION!
---1st_cliff on 4/3/14


James: The irony is I believe the moderator & I both speak English, but it appears one of us is left & the other is right-brained. Glad you got a good laugh friend. :)

Having said that, I'm going to "LEAVE" it alone & go forward into the "cult membership" discussion, already in progress! Please join us & don't touch the drywall. :/
---Leon on 4/3/14


My daughter was a college graduate and got in close with the wrong crowd, she always been one to be "the first" she really wanted her freedom from being a teen to a woman, she met him at 15. She told me mom he's rich! She was the dummy he look for and she was the one beautifull young woman gonna change things for the world!
---Elena9555 on 4/3/14


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This usually happens to people who are searching for something meaningful in their life. Many have had huge disappointment or have been abused (mentally, physically or sexually) and are of very low esteem at the time. Many will feel unable to discuss problems with family members.

Cult members are taught to almost sniff out such people. They don't 'home in' on very ordinary, happy people but look out for the lost and lonely and soon have them reeled in hook, line and sinker.

People don't set out one day having made the decision to join a cult, the cult comes to them on the streets more often than not.
---Rita_H on 4/3/14


There are different kinds of cults.

Usually those who join cults are young adults looking for something greater than themselves.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/3/14


Leon, Leon, Leon, this is hilarious.

So, it's not "How can somebody get in?"

Rather, it's "How do people get hoodwinked?"

Reminds me of a construction job, where non-English-speakers were hired to tear out only some drywall from an office space.

The contractor was befuddled to find that all the drywall marked "LEAVE" had been torn out. What happened? He wanted it left in.

Well, as it turns out, leave means go away

this one gave me a chuckle
---James_L on 4/3/14


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