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What is the difference between the Old Covenant in the New Covenant.

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James 3:1 "Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly."
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1 Corinthians 3:18 "Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise."

1 Corinthians 3:21_23 "Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours, Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come, all are yours, And ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's."
---Nana on 4/13/14


Kathr, Neither Joseph Smith nor any cult has anything to do with me.

Jesus isn't just about His death and resurrection. He was alive on Earth and He spoke and He taught the Words that God told Him to speak and teach. I abide in His Words and don't go beyond them and for that you tell me that I am on the wrong side of the cross. It seems all you need is for Jesus to climb up there and die for you but I need to hear His Word. John 12:47-50. To you Jesus is still hanging on that cross with you standing on the right side. As for me, I have been told to pick up my own cross and carry it while following Him.
---barb on 4/13/14


Ok Barb.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me,let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 1:16,17
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Mark 11:22 ..Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.
Paul Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Here faith dying to self and grace. Paul upholding Law.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/13/14


Barb, the difference between Joseph Smith or any CULT, vs truth, is founded in the OT. We know Joseph Smith or any cult may read OT as Jewish history too! but the OT is more than a history book.

We KNOW Paul is right on the money unlike Joseph Smith, has shown the NT is revealed in the old, and the Old is fulfilled in the new. Isaiah 53 is not Jewish history but prophecy concerning Jesus death and resurrection. Things hidden or concealed but now revealed can be seen today in the OT.

Most cults only stick to the 4 gospels and leave Paul out. You're on the wrong side of the cross Barb.
---kathr4453 on 4/13/14


Kathr, Jesus, as the Passover Lamb, paid the death penalty for His Kingdom. Exo 12. Those in His Kingdom will be keeping the covenant of that Kingdom which is the ten commandments. The sins of those outside of His Kingdom are not covered by grace but are judged according to the Law of God, His commandments. Rev. 11:18-19, Rev. 12:17.
---barb on 4/13/14




Kathr, I was telling you what I go by from the New Testament but never said I did not accept the Old Testament. I use the Law and the Prophets to prove my beliefs all the time and most of the Old Testament is a History of the Jews which i also read and enjoy.
---barb on 4/13/14


Barb, One of the reasons we believe Jesus words and who He said He was/is can be authenticated through the OT. And many things Jesus said was reiterating OT prophets. So, if we didn't have the OT where would we be? John the baptist testified of Jesus right out of OT prophesy. So regardless of who wrote what, it must be backed up and verified. The Bereans checked the scripture every day to verify that what Paul was teaching was true. WHAT SCRIPTURES YOU ASK? Why, the OT of coarse.....they were the ONLY scriptures at that time. No one could accuse Paul of lying.

Jesus fulfilled the prophesies of the OT concerning judgement on sin by taking that judgement upon Himself.
---kathr4453 on 4/12/14


Kathr, in the New Testament, I stick with the eyewitness disciples accounts, John and Matthew and John's epistles and the book of Revelation. Most scholars believe Mark was writing for Peter and I tend to agree with them. Luke was a follower of Paul and like Paul never met Jesus or heard Him speak and Luke does not give us the source of his information.



I have done a lot of research on Peter's letters and have drawn my own conclusion that he did not write most of them. Researching for ourselves is really easy in this day and age and although it might not change our minds it's a great way to gain insight into how the bible was written and put together instead of relying on the information we have been indoctrinated with.
---barb on 4/12/14


Barb, here is one to ponder. Mark and Luke were not one of the 12 Apostles, yet wrote two of the 4 gospels...quoting Jesus words. Luke wrote Acts, and then continued with Paul and penned Paul's letters all the way up to Paul's death. I believe that is something many overlook as giving Paul even more validity. Luke never would have continued with Paul! if Luke, also a devout Jew thought Paul was a fake. Luke has more insight into the things of the Temple and Jewish religion than anyone. And very well could have Been the one who wrote Hebrews. Do you discard the gospel of Luke or Mark or the book of Acts because they are not written by one of the 12?
---kathr4453 on 4/12/14


\\A knowlegeable Jew (Jesus) came to Earth to bring Truth and Wisdom right out of the mouth of God and that's all I need to find the Way to eternal life.\\

Only on His Mother's side.

On His Father's side, He is God.

And He wasn't Jewish when He came down from Heaven, so try again.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/11/14




Kahtr, do you know who wrote Hebrews? I don't. A knowlegeable Jew (Jesus) came to Earth to bring Truth and Wisdom right out of the mouth of God and that's all I need to find the Way to eternal life.
---barb on 4/11/14


Barb, let me ask you, Hebrews for one. WAS NOT written by Paul. But a knowledgeable Jew who understood HOW the Law was fulfilled IN CHRIST.

James talks of FAITH but the works are works of FAITH not works of the Law, again complimenting Paul and Jesus. What LAW said to sacrifice your son? Yet Abraham was justified by FAITH long before...actually 400 years BEFORE the Law. Abel was Justified BY FAITH how many years before the LAW? Jesus talks often of Abraham's seed, Abraham's true children, having NOTHING whatsoever to do with the Law of Moses.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/14


Scott, you say "Paul is making proof by contradiction" and you are correct that is how Paul works. He even contradicts himself.

You also said that Paul was saying "He (Jesus) would not have come to die on a cross to redeem us." Did Paul say that or not? Are you backtracking to cover for Paul?
---barb on 4/11/14


Samuel, with all due respect, if Paul teaches the same doctrines that Jesus taught then what do we need Paul for?

You are trying to prove Paul's doctrine by using his doctrine/words when I need you to also use the words of Jesus to prove the doctrines are the same. Where does Jesus tell me that I am saved thru faith by grace alone? Where doe He tell me I have to die to myself?

Why didn't Jesus tell His disciples after His resurrection about grace thru faith before sending them out to teach and command all that which He had already taught them. Matt 28:18-20.

Paul is the one who twists the Word to get rid the Law.
---barb on 4/11/14


Phil 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings,being made conformable unto his death, 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.


This is what Barb doesn't understand. By the LAW No flesh is justified. Barb, you actually deny the Power of the CROSS.
---kathr4453 on 4/11/14


he would never say that Jesus' death could have been be in vain.
---barb on 4/11/14

Paul is making proof by contradiction. Paul relys only of the blood of Jesus the true passover lamb.
For example I say "all birds are the same color" but you bring red cardinal and yellow canary thus you have disprooved my statement that birds come in only one color.
Paul does the same thing "If righteousness is through the Law (question proposed by Galatians), then Jesus would have died in vain. BUT Jesus did not die in vain so righteousness could not have come through the Law. I am not saying the Law is bad Romans Ch6. As far as being a Pharisee Paul renounced being a Pharisee in Philippians 3 because it does not work.
---Scott1 on 4/11/14


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//Paul a Pharisee doesn't know how the law works toward righteousness.//
--Barb

It does not work to righteousness. It does work to santification (Paul agrees with this) and growing your walk with God but does not lead to righteousness (salvation).
---Scott1 on 4/11/14


Dear Barb

I too follow JESUS. I just believe that Paul followed JESUS also and taught the doctrines of JESUS.
Establishment of the law means we keep the law because we have been saved by Grace alone. Through Faith alone. For it is not us who truly keeps the Law but the power of GOD through the indwelling of the HOLY SPIRIT.

For the law tells us what sin is. But it is the HOLY SPIRIT who gives us power to obey by dying to self and living to JESUS.

True many people twist Paul's words to get rid of the law but they do this by only taking some of what he wrote and ignoring other parts.

Why did Peter accept Paul if he was a false teacher?
---Samuelbb7 on 4/11/14


Bryan, if you are talking to me here is my answer. To produce fruit I abide in the vine. See John 15. I know you do not want any quotes from my source but you really can't see it unless you read it for yourself in His Words.

The Holy Spirit is my guide for Truth and is my teacher. I want any fruit that I produce to be the Truth and nothing but the Truth and that's why I follow Jesus Christ and no one else.
---barb on 4/11/14


Scott, I find it shocking that Paul who claims to be a Pharisee doesn't know how the law works toward righteousness. Neither does he know that the death of Jesus as the Passover Lamb had to take place. He does not understand the preview we were given by God with the passover lamb's blood which the Israelites put on their doorposts to save the first born (first fruits) of the Kingdom or he would never say that Jesus' death could have been be in vain.
---barb on 4/11/14


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How do you get the word of God to produce in your life? Don't just quote scripture at me how do you get to word producing in your life or even do you believe it will produce in your life. there is a time In a Christian's life this word has to come alive to you it becomes part of you spirit soul and body.
---Bryan on 4/10/14


Barb - Gala 2:21 I do not nullify (disregard) the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

why do you find this shocking? Paul's message in this verse is that if we could follow the Law perfectly, grace would not be needed. He would not have come to die on a cross to redeem us. John 3:14,15. Which is the grace of God or the Gospel.

The verses you quote in 1st John is not about salvation but santification, living by the power of God (Spirit of God) to follow his commandments which proves our foundation as children of God, which is salvation. Paul agrees with this righteous living in Gal. 5 comparing/contrast living by the Spirit vs living by the flesh (sin nature).
---Scott1 on 4/10/14


Kathr, I'll follow Jesus wherever He leads me. He never asked me to die with Him on the cross or to die daily although He does say that those who follow Him will be persecuted and killed for the sake of His Name "The Word of God", Rev. 19:13. For your answer to the resurrection question please read John 5:24-29 and John 10:26-30.

Well, Peter certainly loved the words he heard in John 6. He knew they were the words to eternal life. John 6:67-69.

You want me to follow Paul because he says he follows Jesus? No thanks, my instructions are to pick up my cross and follow Him not some other human being.
---barb on 4/10/14


I will continue to follow Jesus and Him alone until the end.



---barb on 4/10/14


Exactly HOW ARE you following Jesus Barb? Are you following Jesus into Death and resurrection life?

If not, then you really AREN'T following Jesus. You just use the catch phrase" I follow Jesus, having no clue what it means to FOLLOW Him.

Those in John 6 WERE following Jesus. The LOVED His sermons, miracles etc...But what Jesus asked, they said was TOO HARD for them. They were NOT saying His Word was to hard....they loved His Word.

Paul followed Jesus and said..."Follow me the WAY I follow Jesus"......or did you not know that?
---kathr4453 on 4/10/14


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Samuel, yes Paul teaches the establishment of the law but Jesus taught the keeping of the Law (Matt 5:16-20, Matt 19:17). Jesus sent His disciples out to all Nations (Jews included) to preach all that He had taught them. He never told them to teach anything other than His Words. Matt 28:18-20. And yet Paul goes beyond what Jesus taught and that is something that we are warned about in 2nd John verses 9-11.

I know it really troubles most of you that I don't believe Paul to be a disciple of Jesus but I'm firm in my belief, just as you are firm in yours. I will continue to follow Jesus and Him alone until the end.

---barb on 4/10/14


<-----The apostle John did not agree with Paul as can be seen by the verses I quoted in my previous posts.

---barb on 4/10/14


Yes God was made flesh for the purpose of taking our SIN upon Him and DYING for our sin. In that He was made flesh and since we are made flesh God through Jesus Christ made possible for man TODAY to die to sin through identification with Jesus in Death, so that we could be RAISED UP together with Him a NEW CREATURE.

THIS IS how we are saved Barb. THIS is the Gospel. This IS what Galatians, Romans 6-8 and every where else is talking about.

The GOSPEL is Christ crucified and risen.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/14


Kathr4453, John 1:14 "And the WORD was made FlESH and dwelt among us and we beheld His glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and Truth."

The apostle John did not agree with Paul as can be seen by the verses I quoted in my previous posts.
---barb on 4/10/14


Dear Barb

Paul did not and does not teach Gnosticism. In fact he teaches that the law is established by Faith. Romans 3,31. as well as those pointed out by kathyr. Read Galatians 4,5 you will see that a lot of what people teach Paul said does not conform to what he wrote.

We are not saved by what we do. We are saved by Grace alone through Faith alone. But as Paul and all the New Testament teaches Faith is not alone. It and love hate sin. A Christian lives for JESUS because they are saved from living in sin.

Read and pray. You will see that many take some of Paul words and twist them to get away from what He actually says.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/10/14


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John 5:24
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.

1 John 3:14
We know that we HAVE passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Passing from DEATH TO LIFE we see John completely agrees with Paul's Galatians 2:20-21 and Romans 6-8 and Colossians 3:1-4.

I LOVE 1st John. But you really can't understand it unless you HAVE passed from death to Life.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/14


Luke, what is lawlessness? Isn't it having no Law? So you are right those who practice lawlessness are not saved, they just think they are.

Was Israel God's Kingdom at one time? Did Jesus call them a brood of vipers and the sons of Satan? Do they think they are still God's chosen people?

God will gather "OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend and those who practice lawlessness." Matt 13:41. Those who think they are safe in His Kingdom but are lawless will be gathered out and cast into the fire. Matt 13:42. Matt 7:21.
---barb on 4/10/14


I find what Paul says in Gal 2:21 shocking. Compare it to the Truth that the apostle John learned first hand from Jesus and wrote in 1st John 2:3-6, 1st John 3:4-9 and 1st John 5:2-6.
---barb on 4/9/14

Galatains2:20-21 is only reiterating Romans 6-8. Is Romans 6-8 also shocking to you? Colossians must be shocking too. And Ephesians?
Barb all the Apostles are in 100% agreement. It's called the perfect law of Liberty. But unless you really understand what that is , you may think it means your at liberty to sin. WRONG.
---kathr4453 on 4/10/14


Barb, Jesus said my words are SPIRIT and life. So no His word is not flesh. To eat my flesh is to identify with Jesus in death. To drink His blood is to understand what His blood has accomplished. When Jesus said those words he was clearly pointing to the cross not His earthly ministry those who were following Him had confused when they thought he was there to begin his earthly ministry. he ends with those who do he will resurrect in the last day. We know those who are crucified with Christ are raised up now a new creature and those who will have part of the first resurrection.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14


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Dear barb,
" Matt 22:42-46
Is not a prophesy. It is a passage that is speaking to the Pharisees.
Second, the passage in "Matthew 13:40-42" speak of what happens to those who practice lawlessness, those are not saved, they are not obeying the Lord, or do they abide in Him.
Those chosen by God are kept by the power of God. Read the New Covenant, Trav put down a portion of it.
The reason they give glory to God is because He is the One who works in the individuals not only to obey but to abide in Him. Those who work lawlessness are not a part of the kingdom of God.
---Luke on 4/9/14


Kathr4453, Jesus is talking about the bread of life when He tells us to eat and drink from His body. To eat His flesh and drink His blood is to take His Words into our mind and hearts and to live by them because His Word is Spiritual food. John 6:48-71.

I find what Paul says in Gal 2:21 shocking. Compare it to the Truth that the apostle John learned first hand from Jesus and wrote in 1st John 2:3-6, 1st John 3:4-9 and 1st John 5:2-6.
---barb on 4/9/14


1John 2:3-6

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

If a person tries to obey in the flesh they cannot. But if a person out of love does what is right then they are walking in JESUS.

The difference between the Old and New Covenant is that the promised Messiah came and died for our sins in reality instead of in symbolism. We have one High Priest. JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/9/14


"I will put My Spirit within you, .....Eek. 36:27).
---Luke on 4/8/14

Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD, I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
Eze 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Eze 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of .....
---Trav on 4/9/14


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Barb, Paul did not preach Gnosticism. And Galatians say those who are Christ's have CRUCIFIED the flesh. And the life that I now life in the flesh, is explained in Galatians 2:20-21.

Barb, I know your belief on Paul and you believe he preached another gospel than Jesus. WRONG. Jesus said to eat my flesh and drink my blood......that is exactly what Paul says and reiterates in Galatians 2:20-21. But it takes spiritual eyes to see and know that.
---kathr4453 on 4/9/14


Kathr4453, to separate the flesh from the spirit is gnostism. It's the easy way because (according to Paul) you cannot be held accountable for anything you do in the flesh because it is weak so he kills it and gets rid of it.

Jesus said we are to worship God with all our heart (flesh), mind (flesh) and spirit. He also said that those who believe in His Word shall never die, let alone die daily.
---barb on 4/8/14


When a person abides in Christ, he remains with Christ. Why do they remain in Him? Because God will not let you leave,
.
---Luke on 4/8/14

Really, Jesus own words:

Remain in me, and I will remain in you"

Why ask to remain if he will not let you go?

" Neither can you bear fruit UNLESS you remain in me." (Jhn 15:1-7)
---Ruben on 4/8/14


Those who fall from GRACE as stated in Galatians ARE NOT abiding in Christ. Here's why. Keeping the Law after salvation cannot produce FRUIT. And Keeping the LAW is all of the flesh, and not of the Spirit.

So MarkV's idea that a Christian abides whether he wants to or not is totally incorrect.

BUT the reason MarkV or Luke, whatever he calls himself/herself today is not talking out of any personal experience, but a doctrine he/she has been brainwashed with.

Some bare fruit 100% 70% 30% depending on how one ABIDES in Christ. If God did it all, all would have 100% no matter what. All would not have WOOD HAY AND STUBBLE that will burn at the judgment seat of Christ.

Markv is going to be in for a very RUDE awakening.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14


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Luke, I know what the word "abide" means. It means to live and continue living in the Word of God.

The verse you quoted from Ezekiel is a prophecy that never came true. Did Jesus take the Kingdom away from Israel or not? Matt 22:42-46.

Yes, you can be taken out of God's Kingdom and He will let you go if you do not keep His commandments. Matt 13:41 "The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His Kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness."
---barb on 4/8/14


I share the Gospel.....
I asked Jesus how his word works and he showed me.
---Bryan on 4/7/14

2Co_4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Gen_37:16...I seek my brethren: tell me, I pray thee, where they feed their flocks.
Psa_119:176 I have gone astray like a lost sheep, seek thy servant, for I do not forget thy commandments.
Eze_34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away,
Luk_19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 4/8/14


Bryan, the more and more I hear you talk, the more you sound like the Kingdom Age people, also known along with the WOF people we see all the time.

Born Again Christians don't use the words "Kingdom of Heaven" Only the Kingdom Age folks do.

So Trey, finally after all this time you finally have revealed yourself as being with the Kingdom Age WOF. It's all starting to make sense.


Kingdom Now and WOF DO NOT PREACH THE CROSS.

No wonder you both could not relate or respond to anything about the cross.
---kathr4453 on 4/8/14


Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Actually Bryan , it's the kingdom of GOD that is within you...not the kingdom of heaven.

But one must know the cross to know that.

I don't know....does Joel Osteen preach that kingdom of heaven stuff too? I know he doesn't preach the cross, but look at all his happy followers. Happy for now. And he uses the words....God is going to do a miracle for you today kinda Zig Zigler stuff. All EMOTIONAL GARBAGE.

Stop eating those happy meals and drinking that Kool-Aid...it will make you sick, and weak.

Get some REAL FOOD and meat in you before you perish Bryan.
---kathr453 on 4/8/14


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barb, I suppose you do not know the definition of "abide." Here it is,
"abide verb \ & #601,- & #712,bd\
: to accept or bear (someone or something bad, unpleasant, etc.)
: to stay or live somewhere
: to remain or continue

When a person abides in Christ, he remains with Christ. Why do they remain in Him? Because God will not let you leave,
"I will put My Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in My statues and be careful to obey My rules" Eek. 36:27).
The work of salvation under the New Covenant is controlled by God not man.
---Luke on 4/8/14


The Kingdom of Heaven is here in our hearts and in our word if we would just sow it.
---Bryan on 4/7/14


Bryan, you are correct! Most people do not have a clue concerning the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

Bryan, you seem to have a little more light than many on here. Please ponder on these verses.

Christ said this:
Mt 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Before that John the Baptist said:
Mt 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Christ also said this:
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
---trey on 4/7/14


Bryan, tell us, HOW does God's Word work? And what do you say to people who are hurting? That God's word is magic? Do you say, get saved, and you will live happily ever after? That you don't have to do ANYTHING, just sit back, and watch God do miracles before your eyes?

If that is what you do, then you are not preaching the Gospel......I don't know what it is you are preaching, but believe me, it is not the gospel.

Paul said, God forbid I preach anything but Christ crucified. The
preaching of Christ crucified is not a "happy meal" with a toy inside.
---kathr4453 on 4/7/14


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I share the Gospel that is what Jesus said to do. The Gospel is good news it heals more hearts and bodies and minds than any judgment I ever said before I asked Jesus how his word works and he showed me. I have been doing it that way and it works miracle before my eyes.
---Bryan on 4/7/14


I'm not trying to be obtuse, Luke but how do you abide in Christ without following His example? Did Jesus keep His Father's commandments or not?

1st John 2:6. "He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked."////
So here's one....Philippians 2

keeping this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus, who became OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH, EVEN DEATH OF A CROSS.

..." nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done. "

Of coarse one needs to really be saved first to OBEY this." And if one completely misses the I DIE DAILY, they're all talk Barb....

Living under the NEW Covenant is actually more difficult and painful than the Old. Just ask Stephen, Paul or Peter...
---kathr4453 on 4/7/14


Good luck doing what you think is right in God eyes.

---Bryan on 4/7/14
So you don't try to do what is right in God's eyes?
---kathr4453 on 4/7/14


Good luck doing what you think is right in God eyes.
---Bryan on 4/7/14


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What is the difference between the Old Covenant in the New Covenant.
---Bryan on 4/4/14

First covenant was broken by the wife's adultery's....GOD's divorce/putting away of the Nth House of Israel. (Jer3:8). The houses/Sticks divided can now reunited by the Heb 8:8, New Covenant death and sacrifice. Widowed Israel is free/cleansed to marry again.
Mat_25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Hos 2:19 I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, in judgment, in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
Hos_2:16 ....saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi, and shalt call me no more Baali.
---Trav on 4/7/14


Dear Luke John wrote.


1Jo 2:3-6

And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

What do these and the following verse Mean?


Rom 3:31

Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/7/14


I'm not trying to be obtuse, Luke but how do you abide in Christ without following His example? Did Jesus keep His Father's commandments or not?

1st John 2:6. "He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk, even as He walked."
---barb on 4/7/14


Good answer Luke not works, but Grace. It's been given to us.

---Bryan on 4/7/14


Who's "US"???? and how did you get to a an "US"?
---kathr4453 on 4/7/14


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// And yet Luke, what do we see in Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 11:19? What in the world are the commandments of God doing there after Paul has preached his gospel of grace?//

I will tell you why in the world the commandments of God are doing, they are condemning those who are not in Christ. Those in Christ abide in Christ. The testimony of Jesus is the revealed Truth from God and Christ contained in the Scriptures. Obedience to God's Word always marks a genuine believer (1 John 8:32). The gospel Paul taught was the gospel given to him by Christ.
---Luke on 4/7/14


Good answer Luke not works, but Grace. It's been given to us.
---Bryan on 4/7/14


RitaH, study to show yourself approved......90% of OT prophesy is about the Kingdom promised to Israel? The JEWISH Apostles even asked Jesus before Jesus ascended..ACTS 1:6-7 if HE was AT THIS TIME, going to restore the kingdom to Israel. Ans: ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS. now read Matthew 24-25.....ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS. It will be under Kingdom LAW..."cut off hand poke out eye to enter" ..also read Zechariah 12-14....THAT IS THE EARTHLY REIGN....unless you have a peculiar idea of heaven being under laws, sabbaths, feast of tabernacles, and warnings to those who refuse to come and worship. Gosh, can you imagine having your water cut off in heaven. LOL.

And if I choose to say a bizillion percent grace...I will. HA HA!
---kathr4453 on 4/6/14


And yet Luke, what do we see in Rev. 12:17 and Rev. 11:19? What in the world are the commandments of God doing there after Paul has preached his gospel of grace? How inconvenient for him. Can you prove the covenant of grace using the words of Jesus Christ instead of Paul? Did Jesus keep His Father's commandments? Where does He tells us that we don't have to?
---barb on 4/6/14


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The Covenants of God are binding contracts between God and man. They are not equal contracts.
There is a big difference in the two Covenants. The Old Covenants were covenants of works of the Law, the New Covenant is of Grace.
Under the Law God demands righteousness, (Romans 3:21-24: Also Romans 8:3,4, also Galatians 2:16, and Phil. 3:9). Law connects with Moses and works. Grace ties in with Christ and faith (John 1:17, Romans 10:4-10).
Under Law obedience brings blessings (Deut. 28:1-14) Under Grace obedience is bestowed as a free gift. When obedience does not respond to love, Grace teaches and disciplines (Titus 2:11,12 and 1 Corinthians 11:31,32).
---Luke on 4/6/14


Jesus is the word of God made flesh. The word of God made the Kingdom of Heaven. The same word lives in you does it not? So were is the Kingdom of Heaven? Waiting to be sown. By the body of Christ which we are suppose to be. Not Waiting for some thousand year reign.
---Bryan on 4/6/14


Kathr, please give the chapter and verse for "the kingdom of Heaven is referring to the 1000 year reign that will be Kingdom law as we see in Matthew."

Also there is no such thing as 1000%. One hundred percent is ALL. No-one can multiply ALL by ten. We either have all or we have less than all.
---Rita_H on 4/6/14


Bryan, most don't know the kingdom of Heaven is referring to the 1000 year reign that will be Kingdom law as we see in Matthew. Flesh and blood will enter that one. The kingdom of God is heaven, and flesh and flesh and blood cannot enter. Only the new creature can! and that one is 1000% grace.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/14


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Most here refuse to believe there is a difference. They speak as if there still under laws and not Grace.
---Bryan on 4/5/14


The only difference between the old and the new covenant is in the place where it is written. The covenant is the marriage contract (vows) between God and His people. When the contract is broken, it is no longer binding. That is why the Kingdom was taken away from Israel. Matt 21:42-46.

If you want to enter into God's kingdom you will have obey the rules of the kingdom by keeping His commandments. His commandments are the same today as on the day God gave them to Israel as can be seen by those born of the Holy Spirit in Rev. 12:17 who keep them and have the testimony of Jesus.
---barb on 4/5/14


What is the difference between the old covenant and the New Covenant? don't care of your philosophies don't care if your condemnation. What is the difference between the two covenants.
---Bryan on 4/4/14

Bryan, not sure what you are asking here. The difference is the OLD was a covenant of DEATH, and the NEW is a Covenant of LIFE. No one..not one single person received eternal life by keeping the old covenant...the ONLY thing they received was "earthly" ( not eternal) blessings and cursing's, and a continual repetition of remembering their sin year after year after year, by making sacrifices etc.

The new Covenant isn't rules, but the person of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/14


Ok one was written on stone, the other was written on our hearts. One would only get you into paradise, the other can get you into Heaven. One you could only become a servent, the other you become a child of God. One just cover you sin, the other washes it away your sins.
---Bryan on 4/5/14


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Deu 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments, and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.
Deu 9:9 When I was gone up into the mount to receive the tables of stone, [even] the tables of the covenant which the LORD made with you...
Deu 9:11 And it came to pass at the end of forty days and forty nights, [that] the LORD gave me the two tables of stone, [even] the tables of the covenant.
-The Bible seems to express the Old Covenant and the Decalogue with equity.
-The Covenant/Decalogue even has a token/sign built in(keeping the Sabbath) as most do.
- A resounding WRONG may have been a hasty judgment.
-Of course, this may be a bit too much sola scriptura for some.
---micha9344 on 4/4/14


What is the difference between the old covenant and the New Covenant? don't care of your philosophies don't care if your condemnation. What is the difference between the two covenants.
---Bryan on 4/4/14


\\The old Covenant was written on stone.\\

Wrong.

Only the Decalogue was written on stone.

The Old Testament was wrtten on parchment or vellum.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/4/14


Gal 4:24-31 ...for these are the two covenants, the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all...Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him [that was born] after the Spirit, even so [it is] now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
--The covenants are worlds apart. Heb 8
---micha9344 on 4/4/14


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The old Covenant was written on stone. The New Covenant is written in our minds and in our hearts. Same covenant, different place. Jer 31:30-33.

The covenant is the only Way you can enter into the Kingdom. You either agree to learn and keep it or you are a thief and a robber attempting to climb in some other way. John 10:1-5, Matt 5:18-20.
---barb on 4/4/14


Bryan, the Old Covenant was given to Israel. It was based on conditions of IF you will then I will. God blessed and cursed according to the Old Covenant to Israel, The New Covenant replaces the Old to Israel, however the Church does benefit from the New Covenant. The Church, or Believers TODAY whether Jew or Gentile are under the Everlasting Covenant. This Covenant was between the Father, Word and the Holy Spirit. This one God says...I WILL. (((Hebrews 13: 20-21 Romans 8:11-13)))say it all. What is our part? Ans: Total surrender....Romans 6. Romans 12:1-2
---kathr4453 on 4/4/14


Bryan, there are a multitude of covenants listed in the scriptures. A covenant is a binding agreement between two parties. Typically one of the parties is bound or obigated to perform certain duties and/or abstain from certain actions.

One example would be when God gave to Moses the Covenant of Circumcision. Moses and the Hebrew children were obligated to circumcise every male infant at 8 days old.

Another example would be the Covenant of Redemption, which is also known as the Everlasting Covenant or the New Covenant. ,Heb 13:20,Heb 12:24.

On another note: Don't pay any attention to Clowny, the only thing he knows is how to be mean.
---trey on 4/4/14


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