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Did You See Noah Movie

Has anyone, who professes Yahushua (JESUS CHRIST), seen the movie "NOAH"?

What are your thoughts? I do have some, but, am curious to know others'.

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Dear Strongaxe,
We know there is many who call themselves Christians, and are not. Attending church, giving to the poor, does not make someone saved.
So of course you do not see everyone giving to the faith. It's obvious. One day the televangelist will suffer worse for knowing the truth and using it to make money.
I was answering to the passage. All in the group including Ananias and his wife were in common. Yet they did not give all. The Lord made an example of them. Today Jesus does not ask us to leave everything behind, He asked us to make Him Lord of our lives and follow Him. when someone is save, that person makes the Lord, Lord of his life over everything. Many do not make Him Lord. Other things are first in their lives. Agape
---Luke on 5/25/14


Luke:

Ananias and Sapphira didn't say their possessions were their own (any more than the other believers they were with did).

And of course, there are many Christians who give up everything for Christ - but there are also many who don't.

Note the "mandatory tithers" - they happily give 10% to Christ, but that's where they believe that is all that is required.

Also, look at the very many who consider themselves as God's spokesmen - televangelists and other Christian "superstars", who have many mansions, luxury cars, private jets, etc.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/14


//It's also curious that one rarely sees Christians of this same "heart and soul" today.//

What is written in Scripture is for our teaching, that when we make a vow to God we should make sure we do it. You notice at that time many became afraid. We should be too, because God can take our life anytime.

// Ask how many churches there are in the U.S. (say) where all members keep all their possessions in common.//

Many Christians have give up everything for the faith. So many have sacrificed everything for the cause. Agape
---Luke on 5/23/14


//Why are you excluding Ananias and Sapphira from this "multitude"? THEY didn't "say that any of the things he possessed was his own" either (and this iself was the very heart of the problem - they said the same things everyone else did, but acted otherwise).//

Dear Strongage,
when you said, "They didn't say that any of the things.." I do not know who "they" you are speaking of, Ananias or the other group of individuals who were in common. Do not know how to answer you. Agape.
---Luke on 5/20/14


Luke:

Why are you excluding Ananias and Sapphira from this "multitude"? THEY didn't "say that any of the things he possessed was his own" either (and this iself was the very heart of the problem - they said the same things everyone else did, but acted otherwise).

It's also curious that one rarely sees Christians of this same "heart and soul" today. Ask how many churches there are in the U.S. (say) where all members keep all their possessions in common.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/14




\\All those you mentioned were later indwelled by the Holy Spirit, that is how we know they were saved,\\

BCV, please.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/14


//Yes, but how could one tell Ananias and Sapphira from the others?//

Dear Strongaxe,
The only way to find out is to read the context. And we are told of those who believed were of one heart, and one soul, and in common with the others, but Ananias and Sapphira were not of those who believed or of one heart and one soul with the others Acts 4:32-37.
"Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul, neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common" Agape

To Cluny,
All those you mentioned were later indwelled by the Holy Spirit, that is how we know they were saved, that is easy to know. Agape
---Luke on 5/19/14


\\And at no time are we told Ananias was saved.\\

At no time are we told that St. Peter, St. James, St. Luke, St. Matthew, St. Mark, St. Paul, or even St. John were saved.

Yet their writings are in the NT.

And what does this have to do with the movie NOAH?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/14


\\True, but what denominational church is the true church? Answer: none.
---Steveng on 4/28/14\\

That means the worldly denominational Church of Steveng is not the true church, either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/14


Luke:

Yes, but how could one tell Ananias and Sapphira from the others? This was not at all obvious. (In fact, they were only discovered because the Spirit specifically revealed them).

Normally, those who are really saints are hard to distinguish from those who act like saints but aren't really. This is why Jesus spoke of wheat and tares - they are not easy to separate, that is only done on the threshing floor (e.g. the final judgment), and not before.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/14




//There are a large number of saints mentioned in the New Testament, and there are very few of them where the Bible actually says that they're saved.//

When the New Testament mentions saints, or brethren, we can assume they were saved. But many assume some are saved when the passage does not give us a clue. Other times we're told God killed many. We do not know they were saved. Ananias was a part of the group that sold their belongings, but were they in common with the rest?(v. 32) says,
"Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul, neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common" Ananias was not in common with the rest.
---Luke on 5/11/14


Luke:

You said: And at no time are we told Ananias was saved

There are a large number of saints mentioned in the New Testament, and there are very few of them where the Bible actually says that they're saved.
---StrongAxe on 5/10/14


Dear Micha,
Your correct. It was not Paul, it was Peter who spoke to Ananias. And at no time are we told Ananias was saved. In fact he was a hypocrite together with his wife. And the only way Peter found out was because the Spirit revealed it to him that he had kept the rest of the money, because no where are we told anyone asked him about what he kept.
He was a good example of a Christian who really was a fake but wanted to impress others. They were in the congregation of those who believed (4:32). Keeping some money for themselves was not a sin in and of itself. They had promised perhaps publicly that they were giving the full amount received to the Lord. Their outward sin was lying about how much they were giving to the church. Agape
---Luke on 5/7/14


Acts 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?
Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Please Steveng and Luke, search the scriptures for Truth, because one false word (Paul) makes it a lie and may ruin an otherwise good testimony.
---micha9344 on 5/6/14


//The Holy Spirit does and he reveals all thing sto those who seek it. Paul knew the heart of Ananias because of the Holy Spirit. "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit..."

Dear Steven.
You have no clue who is saved. We are not even told if Ananias was saved only that he died.
Second, The Holy Spirit did not reveal to Paul that Ananias had lied. He was asked if he gave everything, and he said he had not, that is how they knew what he had done. He had lied to the Holy Spirit. Paul would never have known that if they had not asked him.
Third, when a person is intimate with another person, to me that means they live, and sleep together.
---Luke on 5/6/14


Luke: "Dear Steven,
First, you are not God, so you do not know the heart of man.

The Holy Spirit does and he reveals all thing sto those who seek it. Paul knew the heart of Ananias because of the Holy Spirit. "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit..."

Luke: "Second, you could not possible be intimate with your neighbors unless you sleep with them,.."

You have a very perversed heart and mind.

You really need to look up the the word "intimate" and open your eyes, heart and mind to its meaning.
---Steveng on 5/5/14


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Steveng:

You wrote: Any true christian can know a tare just by the actions of the sinner.

If this were the case, it would be very easy to separate wheat from tares right now. Yet Jesus said this was not going to be done until the final judgment.

I once read about a case where some parishioners saw a pastor kissing a woman who was not his wife, and the whole gossip thing spun way out of proportion to the point where it destroyed his marriage and ministry. Yet the "chatty kathys" weren't aware the "strange woman" was his sister visiting from out of town. A life ruined because some self-righteous hypocrites thought they were exercising "righteous judgment", but assumed their facts wrong.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/14


//But what makes you believe I don't know my own friends and neighbors whom I've gotten to know intimately?//

Dear Steven,
First, you are not God, so you do not know the heart of man.
Second, you could not possible be intimate with your neighbors unless you sleep with them, and I hope you don't.
Third, you do not know what your friends or neighbors do behind close doors unless the people you meet with, live with you.
Fourth, you only know the outside show of your friends, you do not know what is inside of them.
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed, tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.' Matthew 23:27.
---Luke on 5/4/14


Luke: "...you are assuming the people you meet with are Christians, you just don't know."

I definitely do know. But what makes you believe I don't know my own friends and neighbors whom I've gotten to know intimately? Christians must know each other intimately to grow in Christ and to keep from getting caught up in the ways of the world. We confide with each other's problems. We deeply care for one another.
---Steveng on 5/2/14


//We meet, assemble, wherever two or more are gathered - and we meet daily as instructed in the bible.//

Gathering is what all true believers do, and they do not have to meet together at your home, or a park, and when you say we, you are assuming the people you meet with are Christians, you just don't know. You can judge the outside of those you meet with, but you sure do not know the inside of their hearts. True Christians are permitted to meet where ever they want. There is no rules that say they have to meet in a house, for houses are also of this world. Spiritually, we are not of this world, but we have to live in the world while we are still here.

"Dear Elena, my prayers are for you, Agape
---Luke on 4/30/14


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Steveng, what is the coming Kingdom of God? How are you preparing for it?
---kathr4453 on 4/30/14


As noted in many other posts in the past, our church is not of this world as the bible indicates. We don't have buildings, art treasures, statues, property, furniture, landscaping and we don't spend resources to maintian these worldly goods. We don't make money off of God's word as your worldly denonimational churches, counterfeit churches, do. We take personal repsonsibility to love others, to help others, and spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God and how to get there instead of handing over the responsibility to a denominational church or the government. We meet, assemble, wherever two or more are gathered - and we meet daily as instructed in the bible.
---Steveng on 4/29/14


Hello,this Elena9555, just needed to say ( reading closely these bloggs) really study them, late nights, when by some miracle not in worst pain, good days.It's really important to get the true understanding of the word of God.I suffer when in pain, but so do women when we have babies.Please keep me in prayer, to fully understand the meaning of scripture.I would rather go into heaven saved, then healthy phyically but on my way to Hell.Kathrn4453, darlene1, Luke and Bryan, Shira4368, others- good points!
---Elena9555 on 4/28/14


//Just by posting what you wrote is spreading gossip even though you hide behind "could" and "we don't know."//

It is not gossip, it is speaking the truth, none of us knows if you are saved or not. We don't know what is in your heart. A person can be very godly at a home church like yours, speak very religious, discuss the Bible, and once everyone leaves, you could beat up your wife, your children, cuss, even commit adultery, with no one else knowing. All we have of you is what you write down.

//Luke: ...True, but what denominational church is the true church? Answer: none.//

You don't know. If you teach wrong, then all of them are teaching wrong as far as you are concern. Agape
---Luke on 4/29/14


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Ok Steveng, tell us all, do you go to church, that Is, in some building where believers gather once or twice a week? If so, where do you go? Is there a name to this place? Or do you not go to a church at all? Maybe a home church? If a home church, do you then have control of who comes in and who cannot come in? How do you treat someone you don't want there? And how can you or anyone decide who is carnal, that is a baby Christian, vs a more mature one? Carnal Christians are the worse troublemakers. But they are still God's heritage.

You must have a solution to this problem. An inquisition perhaps? Burn all heretics at the stake?

The nice thing about freedom is.........
---kathr4453 on 4/29/14


Luke: "No one knows who is a tare,.."

Any true christian can know a tare just by the actions of the sinner.

Luke: "Steven could be a tare himself, trying to divide the members in the church, we don't know."

Just by posting what you wrote is spreading gossip even though you hide behind "could" and "we don't know."

Luke: "We just know that spiritual church of Christ is made up of true believers baptized into One body in Christ."

True, but what denominational church is the true church? Answer: none.
---Steveng on 4/28/14


Dear Kathr,
again, you are correct. No one knows who is a tare, Steven could be a tare himself, trying to divide the members in the church, we don't know. We just know that spiritual church of Christ is made up of true believers baptized into One body in Christ. Every member is genuine. But where members meet on this earth is made out of a mixture of wheat and tares. Even in home churches there are tares, we just don't know who is planted by God, and who is planted by the enemy. Agape
---Luke on 4/28/14


The CHURCH is the Body of Christ Steveng. And I'm not of anyone. Just as we are a light in this world, we are also a light in the churches here on earth.

In some countries, Christians do have to go underground , but here, we're not there yet.

So go and let your light shine where ever The Lord leads you! and stop complaining about the tares. It's not your job to separate the wheat from the tares. That's God's , in His timing.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/14


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Steveng, when you say EVERYBODY, this or that you place yourself in a superior position above EVERYBODY, and look down your nose at EVERYBODY but YOU????

Here is your Godly assignment. Do this every day until it becomes a part of you.

Philippians 4.... Think of things good,
peaceable, pure, lovely, joyful, etc etc...and the God of peace will KEEP YOUR MIND AND HEART IN PERFECT PEACE.

Colossians 3..Keep your mind on "things above" and NOT BELOW.

First show "you" can obey God, before telling others they aren't.

Stop looking for and posting from the bottom of the barrel of this world. It serves no purpose. Just because someone says they are a Christian doesn't mean they are.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/14


Well, Kathr, please define the word "church?" Is it the body of individuals or are they denominaional churches (as in " I didn't see you in church this morning")? Is it the true church of God, the body of believers, or are they counterfeit churches?

Satan, the father of division, has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into tens of thousands of denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible.

Every one of you would say that I am of Paul, of Apollos, of Cephas, of Catholic, of Orthodox, of Baptist, of Lutheran, of Presbyterian.

Is Christ divided?
---Steveng on 4/27/14


Thank you Luke, I agree with you too. I also believe these verses were written warning our brothers and sisters about false doctrine as well. So these verses are written to Christians. And I also believe if one does walk away, they never were saved to begin with. And those who are saved will hear truth if they have strayed only of the Holy Spirit bring that truth is involved.

The problem too here is, everyone believes his truth is the only truth. So warning about the sabbath for exapmple may to some mean you will go to hell if you don't go back under sabbath law.

Steveng is telling others if you belong to any denomination, denominations are of satan???????? That message won't save anyone.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/14


Dear Kathr,
I believe you are correct with your answers. 1 Peter 4:8 was given, it goes like this,
"And above all things have fervent love for one another, for love will cover a multitude of sins"
This teaching does not preclude the discipline of a sinning unrepentant church member, it means specifically that a Christian should overlook sins against him if possible, and always be ready to forgive insults and unkindness. It does not mean that your sins are forgiven when you show love for others. Our sins were covered at the cross. Hope that helps, Agape
---Luke on 4/26/14


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Steveng, you are really off the mark. I don't care how many scriptures you post and take out of context....NO SCRIPTURE SAYS MAN CAN SAVE ANOTHER , AND BY DOING SO CAN WASH AWAY HIS OWN SIN.

Period..end of sentence. End of conversation. You teach heresy Steveng. Only the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST CAN WASH AWAY YOUR SIN. And only our faith in Jesus Christ can save. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

No one can die and rise again for anyone else...thereby saving that person. And we see even those Jesus died and rose again for rejected Him. And you think YOU are more powerful than God? Who did YOU die and shed your blood for Steveng?

You, just like so many others here preach ANOTHER GOSPEL.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/14


James 5:19-20

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19 My dear brothers and sisters, if someone among you wanders away from the truth and is brought back, 20 you can be sure that whoever brings the sinner back will save that person from death and bring about the forgiveness of many sins.


Steveng, this verse must be read with verse 19....well actually the whole chapter to keep in context. But nothing here about YOUR sin.

So is this what YOU are trying to do by telling everyone denominations are of satan etc, and anyone going to any denomination is going to hell...so you're here to save us? Is this YOUR GOSPEL MESSAGE?
---kathr453 on 4/26/14


kathr4453: "...but no scripture says soul winning washes away my own sin, or even covers it for that matter."

Like most people on these blogs, you have not read the verses I gave. Go back to my post and actually read the verses. And here's another: 1 Peter 4:8

kathr4453: "Sounds like Steveng is on some war path lately."

You assume much which in a sense transgresses the ninth commandment.
---Steveng on 4/25/14


-------
For every person you save will cover a multitude of your own sins. The havest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 4/24/14

Sounds like a works salvation here Steveng. So exactly how many souls do I need to save before my sin is washed away? There is a verse in the OT that says those who WIN SOULS are wise, but no scripture says soul winning washes away my own sin, or even covers it for that matter.

Sounds like Steveng is on some war path lately. Nothing wrong with warriors Steveng as long as you stand for the truth.

It would be interesting to hear what you say to someone you claim you saved?
---kathr4453 on 4/25/14


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the prodigal son found favor with his father. not with his brothers and not with anyone else but his dad. it is a picture of lost sheep coming to the Father.
---shira4368 on 4/24/14


All christians are able to save others from eternal death. It is the duty of christians to save others. Jesus did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. For came to seek and to save those that were lost and he taught others how to save others. Just as christians are to save others. And if anyone hears your words of the gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there, and believe, shall be saved.

James 5:20
1 Corinthians 9:22
1 Timothy 4:16
James 5:15
1 Peter 3:20
2 Peter 2:5
Luke 6:9
John 5:34
Acts 2:21, 40
Romans 10:9
1 Corinthians 1:18

For every person you save will cover a multitude of your own sins. The havest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 4/24/14


shira4368: "Kathr, if we ever loose our testimony, it's hard to get it back."

But not impossible. Remember the story of the Prodigal Son? If only today's parents would teach God's word even before the birth of the child.
---Steveng on 4/24/14


Kathr, if we ever loose our testimony, it's hard to get it back. Especially family is critical of anyone who is a believer. They keep throwing up things in our faces. They need to learn just because one is saved don't make them perfect.
---shira4368 on 4/24/14


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Christains can tell others how Jesus saves us from sin. But if a Christian is living in sin, not much of a testimony there.

Christians here today are the hands and feet of Jesus Christ to spread the Gospel to the whole world, ....these are the greater works. But only God through Jesus Christ ALONE can save sinners from sin.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/14


Christians are able to save others from sin.
---Steveng on 4/22/14


---Jesus was a man on the earth totally free showing us how to do our fathers will at setting people free.

---Bryan on 4/19/14

Bryan, the only way to be set FREE from SIN is to identify with Jesus in Death and resurrection life...dying to sin. We are not separate little gods imitation Jesus. There is only ONE CROSS and only one who died on that cross to set man free from sin.

The Preaching of the Cross cost Peter his life and Paul his head. So yes, FOLLOW their example in Preaching the Gospel by first being a partaker of that Gospel that sets us free from Sin.

You can't set anyone free. We are only set free from SIN by OBEYING Romans 6 says.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/14


It's apparent that many christian leaders will glorify the movie and suggest seeing it. Once the christians sees it, it will create conflict in the mind.

As for judging, christians are to judge righteous judging.

Besides, anyone that is against judging never had children of their own for if a parent does not judge the child's behaviour, how would the child grow in the Word?
---Steveng on 4/20/14


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Dear Bryan,
The subject was about the movie "Noah." not the whole gospel. "Christians have a right to criticize movies that are not biblical. That doesn't make them self-righteous." What we see happening in those movies is that they turn the truth to a lie. When others see it, they believe a lie. Don't you want others to believe the truth? You preach gospel, you should be standing for the truth since Noah's scene is part of the word of God, and the gospel is the word of God.
I read in the papers the producer was an atheist. Could be the reason he changed it. I myself love movies that have a lot of special effects. The things they can do in movies now is amazing. But I have not seen it myself. Agape.
---Luke on 4/20/14


"What are your thoughts?" Gordon my thoughts are that it is simply Hollywood fiction, nothing more, nothing less, fabricated to be entertaining, and perhaps, thought provoking.
---Josef on 4/20/14


My point is this. When I hear religion people talk about how self holy are self righteous they are. And they us Jesus to kick people with. I like to let them know, that is not what the Gospel is for. It sets people free to do the work of the Gospel. So look up the word Gospel, share it in stead of judgment and condemnation. All self righteous religions always judge and condemn. That's why people hate God so much. The Gospel does not hate or condemn anyone it sets them free. Jesus was a man on the earth totally free showing us how to do our fathers will at setting people free.
---Bryan on 4/19/14


What are your thoughts Gordon? :)
---Leon on 4/15/14


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Leon, I think it is highly unlikely that I would watch it. I haven't heard anything positive about it.

I have lived in my present house for two and half years and have watched 2 (two) DVDs in that period. I have no T.V. and have watched 'catch up' T.V. on my computer 5 times in that period. I prefer my computer and books, walking in the fresh air and being with people - talking one to one.
---Rita_H on 4/11/14


Rita: Just curious. If someone loaned you a DVD of the Noah movie, what would/could you do with it?

"Some believer think [they're] better than everybody else. The truth is all they have was given to them by Christ Jesus. That is the Gospel. To think they have the right to judge is condemning to [them self]. Not understanding they reap what they sow."
---Bryan on 4/8/14


Bryan: What exactly do you mean? Are you speaking in regard to the movie or about something else unrelated?
---Leon on 4/11/14


Some believer think their better than everybody else. The truth is all they have was given to them by Christ Jesus. That is the Gospel. To think they have the right to judge is condemning to their self. Not understanding they reap what they sow.
---Bryan on 4/8/14


I don't go to the cinema and don't have T.V. so am unlikely to ever see it (unless someone loans me a DVD of it sometime in the future). It is not something that I feel I MUST see though.

Candice, I think that there will be very few born again Christians acting in such movies. They would not be prepared to accept the liberties taken by the script-writers.

Sadly, many non-Christians will watch it and will assume that this is how the bible actually tells us that story. The bible 'knowledge' of some people is based purely on films such as this.
---Rita_H on 4/8/14


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It is a fictional story of Noah. Just like most of hollywood style movies about biblical truths. And I did go see it and I saw the movie God is not Dead.
---Bryan on 4/7/14


My own opinion of Biblical epics is that they are usually incredibly dull, or else take too many liberties with the Biblical narrative.

Notable exceptions: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, THE BIBLE: In the beginning, THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/7/14


No & I wont . I have heard that it was made for enviromental reasons , & it doesnt follow scripture, also an athiest plays Noah, as well as either the producer or director is also an atheist. Sorry cant support hollywood style movies that way.
---candice on 4/7/14


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