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Is Mary Special In Heaven

Does Mary, mother of Jesus, have a special position in heaven?

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\\Cluny that is not true\\

Yes, it is.

Your denying it will not change the truth.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/14


But only GOD should be prayed to as the request as told by JESUS. Our Father is the example of how we should pray.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/14

But can any one of the three "persons" of the God-head be prayed to?

I know many people who pray directly to Jesus. I also know a few who pray to the Holy Spirit.

Is this correct? Both Jesus and the HS make intercession for us and Jesus is our High Priest.

What are your thoughts?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/8/14


2Co 13:7

Now I pray to God that ye do no evil, not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.

The word pray can mean a request of a person.

But only GOD should be prayed to as the request as told by JESUS. Our Father is the example of how we should pray.

People no longer use the old expression I pray thee. We know today to use Please.

Our prayers should only be addressed to GOD though our LORD JESUS CHRIST as taken and purified by the HOLY SPIRIT.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/14


Cluny that is not true. Only the tabernacle given to Moses to build was patterned after things in heaven. All in the tabernacle pointed to Jesus Christ. Nothing points to any queen whatsoever. To take liberties and adding anything you want and then calling it scriptural seem to be a problem we see today not only with this statement, but with the anything goes mentality.

Somehow the idea that Christians JUST SAY NO, seems to offend those wanting to push anything off on you, and your accused of being a bully cause you don't buy it.

Adding a Queen to the types and shadows of the tabernacle is another we will have to JUST SAY NO to.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/14


\\Cluny, maybe in the earthly sense, but not the "Heavenly one". God doesn't pattern things after the world.\\

But in societies that were in a covenant with God such as the ancient Jews and the Orthodox Church even today, things in this world are patterned after heavenly things.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/14




Cluny, maybe in the earthly sense, but not the "Heavenly one". God doesn't pattern things after the world.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/14


\\I do not believe we are to pray to her or that she is Queen of Heaven or any of that sort of thing.\\

In many kingdoms, the title Queen belongs not to the wife of the king, but his mother.

This included the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/14


Mark_ Eaton, please leave this blog for the subject at hand.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/14


So you see, it was I who drew you out.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/14

Do you even know the testimony you have?

You are the blog bully and you do not even know it. I baited you on purpose to help you see the truth.

I was like you. Always needing to be right. Always needing to have the answer. Always using Scripture to condemn others. I studied and studied and studied yet without understanding.

My Lord has helped me to see the error in my ways and that the most important thing is to love God and love others. I must leave the judging to Him, He is God and I am not.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/6/14


14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


Reading ALL of revelation 12, we see this is not the church. The CHURCH will never be driven into the wilderness into HER PLACE. Or will the 12 apostles appear as a sign in the sky. Our place is seated with Christ in heavenly places IN Christ, and we don't run from satan.

Paul, Peter , John, James never taught the church would have to prepare for this. But quite the opposite. Romans 11....a DELIVERER WILL COME OUT OF SION, meaning heaven, who is Jesus Christ, fulfilling Zechariah 12-14 to Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/14




Hello got say my respect goes in agreement with our Bro.Samuellbb
because Mother of Jesus represents a warm loving kind God and she was a poor virgen.girl,not look for glamour fame,riches she was from a simple living people.She is to be thought of the mother but with honor and respect.I believe God even with our Lord Jesus we know there were those expecting a warrior instead of a baby Jesus.He lives! :-
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_4555 on 5/5/14


Cluny your comment on revelation is an important one. While I am somewhat skeptical of it being Mary I cannot rule out the possibility because you are correct it can have more then one meaning.

Also your other points there I do agree with about Israel, and the Church being the women. As well as about the 12 tribes and the Apostles.

Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/5/14


Dear Kathr,
You are correct in your answers concerning Mary in Revelation.
God referred to the nation of Israel as "My son, My firstborn" (Exodus 4:22).
In Psalm 80:8, Israel was called a "vine" So the reference in Revelation is about Israel.
The same holds true concerning the women, in Genesis 3:15, the women there was not Mary, but Eve, that the passage was referring to.
---Luke on 5/5/14


\\Ruben, the WOMAN in revelation is Israel not Mary.\\

OTOH, Mary is the personification of faithful Israel. Both produced the Messiah, one in general, and one in particular.

There is no conflict between the Woman of Revelation 12 being both Israel and the Virgin--and the church, for that matter, and all simultaneously.

\\ The 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel, just as we have been shown in Joseph's dream in Genesis.\\

But could also be the 12 Apostles.

The symbols of Revelation can have several meaning at the same time. That adds to the difficulties of interpreting it.
---Cluny on 5/5/14


Ruben, The woman in Revelation 12 is Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/14


Ruben, the WOMAN in revelation is Israel not Mary. The 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel, just as we have been shown in Joseph's dream in Genesis. Mary came from the tribe of Judah and in no way represents the 12 tribes or even the 12 Apostles. SHE, Israel gave birth to their promised messiah. SHE, Israel being the wife of The Lord.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/14

OK, it can be Israel BUT to say it can not be Mary makes no sense. Mary gave birth to a "Male Child Son who will rule the world like verse 5 says. Did Mary give Birth to Jesus who is the child spoken of in v 5 Y or N?
---RUBEN on 5/4/14


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mary is awesome. She was highly favored of God and was used as the vessel to bring Baby Jesus into the world. She should be respected and admired. There are rewards in Heaven and I would imagine she would merit a high position but we wont know til we get there. I do not believe we are to pray to her or that she is Queen of Heaven or any of that sort of thing. Just a wonderful saint in Heaven with Jesus.
---judy on 5/3/14


Ruben, the WOMAN in revelation is Israel not Mary. The 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel, just as we have been shown in Joseph's dream in Genesis. Mary came from the tribe of Judah and in no way represents the 12 tribes or even the 12 Apostles. SHE, Israel gave birth to their promised messiah. SHE, Israel being the wife of The Lord.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/14


To me it seems obvious that Mary was VERY special. Out of all the women alive at that time God chose Mary to bare the earthly body of His Son. She WAS special and I think that she will always BE special when this world ends. The bible speaks of rewards in Heaven.

I don't believe that anyone is in Heaven yet, not even Mary. She will be raised on the last day and that is when we will find out for sure just HOW special she is.

In the meantime, she awaits the resurrection, does not hear or answer our prayers and does not perform miracles or make appearances around the world. For now, she is dead just like all others who once lived.

Others will disagree I know - we are all allowed to do that - peaceably.
---Rita_H on 5/3/14


There is no reason why anyone should speak bad about Mary. She was special in the world, she was chosen to have Jesus. A special purpose she was to serve and she did. She was like any other woman. She died like all human beings die. And she is with the Lord like all others Christians who have died. We are told there are special positions in heaven, some different then others, but we are not told who has a higher or lower ranking in heaven. One day we will know when we are with Christ. Agape
---Luke on 5/3/14


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Mary was just a woman used by God. She carried out the will of God. That's all.
---shira4368 on 5/1/14

Shira,

That's all..really.

She said yes to salvation . Scripture says she is 'blessed" but yet no one who has made comments has said she is the Blessed Mary when scripture tells us. In Rev 12: 2 it reads :

A woman clothed with the sun , with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve starson her head." V 5 goes on and says " She gave birth to a male son, who will rule all nations."

All of you would not deny that the child is Jesus, but if it is jesus then why is the woman not Blessed Mary??
---Ruben on 5/3/14


Judges 5:24

24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

We see another woman in scripture who is blessed above women.

We do see those who are blessed on the earth. But consider this, no scripture states IN HEAVEN.

In "heaven" or even in Christ, we are no longer male or female, but a NEW creature. So we need to find any scripture where one NEW CREATURE is blessed above another NEW CREATURE.

Is one part of your body blessed above another part of your body?
---kathr4453 on 5/3/14


// Read the bible and be enlightened.//

Dear Steven,
you assume that those who go to a denominational church do not love others, or read the bible, and because they give for the cause of God, they are not saved.
The true Church of God is made up of believers who are born of the Spirit. That is the Church of Christ. All of them are not of this world, but they congregate in this world. When a true believer enters a building or house, Christ is there because He is the Head of the Church. No one knows who is truly born of the Spirit, only God knows that. You cannot see the heart of others so you judge by your own standards. And your standards say, you are right and everyone else is wrong. Maybe because you are wrong yourself.
---Luke on 5/2/14


Mary was just a woman used by God. She carried out the will of God. That's all.
---shira4368 on 5/1/14


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You have gone too far. Mary had a Special blessing above every woman in the world. She deserves honor and respect. But she does not deserve worship and she cannot answer prayers.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


No, Mary was just a typical Jewish Mother.
---Blogger9211 on 5/1/14


Well we teach people that you cannot pray to the dead for help. Nor can we speak to the dead and it is wrong to talk to those who are asleep in death.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/30/14


\\First, my church is not of this world \\

Yes, it is.

The Church of Steveng is of this world and man-made, teaching the traditions and precepts of men, for all your denials.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/14


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Cluny: "What does your own worldly denominational Church of Steveng do in such cases?"

First, my church is not of this world as noted in the bible. All denominational churches are man-made and are of this world. We don't own buildings, treasured art, statues, property, and we don't spend resources to maintain these worldly goods. We don't make money off of God's word as the denominational churches do. We, as individuals, are personally accountable to love others instead of relying on the church or the government as most so-called christians do.

If you know as much as you 'think' you do about what is written in the bible, you should know what we do in these cases. Read the bible and be enlightened.
---Steveng on 4/29/14


\\Do the leaders of the denominational church discipline those who do showing the error of their actions or do they just turn a blind eye?
---Steveng on 4/28/14\\

What does your own worldly denominational Church of Steveng do in such cases?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/29/14


And the millions of people throughout the world who congregate at Mary temples all around the world to pray for help? Who travel thousands of miles to see an apparition of Mary? Who pray to Mary daily? Do the leaders of the denominational church discipline those who do showing the error of their actions or do they just turn a blind eye?
---Steveng on 4/28/14


\\Redemptress v. Redemptrix

Please explain (away) the difference.
---aka on 4/28/14\\

I'm the first to admit that "redemptress" is just the English form of "redemptrix". You can compare "chantress" with "chantrix."

However, this was not in the form of a dogmatic definition, either.

Some people fail to grasp that not all papal pronouncements fall under the category of infallibility. In fact, I can count on the fingers of one hand those that do.

But as an Orthodox, this is meaningless to me, anyway.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/28/14


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Pope Leo XIII: The recourse we have to Mary in prayer follows upon the office she continuously fills by the side of the throne of God as Mediatrix of Divine grace...

For in the Rosary all the part that Mary took as our co-Redemptress comes to us, as it were, set forth, and in such wise as though the facts were even then taking place, and this with much profit to our piety, whether in the contemplation of the succeeding sacred mysteries, or in the prayers which we speak and repeat with the lips. (Iucunda Semper Expectatione, n. 2)

Redemptress v. Redemptrix

Please explain (away) the difference.
---aka on 4/28/14


Where do you get that doctrine elevating Mary as equal with God? She didn't brush anyone's head. That'd is no where in my bible. What faith believes this falsehood?
---shira4368 on 4/28/14


Dear Cluny,
I did not claim that Mary was co-Redemptrix, only that there was a copy of something written by the Pope that claimed she was involve in the redemption of man, by forgiving the sins of the people. Co-Redemptrix is a Roman Catholic title of Mary, the mother of Jesus and theological concept, which refers to Mary's role in the redemption of man. It was not made dogma but what is believed in the Roman Catholic Church since the time of 200, and believed even more as the years went by. Agape
---Luke on 4/28/14


\\She replaced Christ.
She crushed the head of Satan, not Jesus. She forgives sins not Jesus.\\

Aside from the fact that this is not a doctrinal definition (which alone carries the requirement to believe it), nowhere does it say "co-redemptrix."

Try again.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/14


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//Steveng, the Roman Catholic church has never taught that Mary is co-redemtrix.

If you think so, please give the appropriate conciliar or papal document.//


Ubi Primum, Feb. 2, 1849, by Pius IX.
"The resplendent glory of her merits, far exceeding all the choirs of angels, elevates her to the very steps of the throne of God. Her foot has crushed the head of Satan. Set up between Christ and His church, Mary, ever lovable and full of grace, always has delivered the Christian people from their greatest calamities and from the snares and assaults of all their enemies, ever rescuing them from sin." She replaced Christ.
She crushed the head of Satan, not Jesus. She forgives sins not Jesus.
---Luke on 4/26/14


What do Catholics believe about Mary?

From the "Catechism of the Catholic Church"
(published in 1995 by Doubleday, 1540 Broadway, New York, New York 10036)

"She (Mary) is inseparably linked with the saving work of her Son." (Pg. 332, # 1172)

"Taken up to heaven she (Mary) did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation..." (Pg. 274-275, #969)


I say BUMF! Mary is dead and is not yet ascended to heaven.



---jerry6593 on 4/26/14


\\The catholics teaches that Mary is co-redemtrix and is alive and well and living in heaven - and answers prayers.\\

Steveng, the Roman Catholic church has never taught that Mary is co-redemtrix.

If you think so, please give the appropriate conciliar or papal document.

However it is true that we all participate in one another's redemption.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/25/14


Becareful God created us all in his image. Is Mary special in God eye? Other than finding favor in God sight that's about it. But how we all have favor in God sight thank you Jesus.
---Bryan on 4/24/14


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\\But, she is not a God(ess).
Nor is she equal to God.\\

Cluny: "I know of nobody who believes she is either."

You're not as educated as you think you are and you surely don't get around much, do you?

Cluny: "No church teaches either."

The catholics teaches that Mary is co-redemtrix and is alive and well and living in heaven - and answers prayers.

The muslims teach that Mary is the Queen of Heaven.
---Steveng on 4/24/14


\\But, she is not a God(ess).
Nor is she equal to God.\\

I know of nobody who believes she is either.

No church teaches either.

Should any believe these things, it is IN SPITE OF the teaching of the Church, not because of it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/14


I have to agree with Cluny some are closer to GOD then others.

But he loves all equally.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/24/14


Yes, Mary (Miryam) is special in Heaven.
All of GOD's faithful servants are rewarded in Heaven.
But, she is not a God(ess).
Nor is she equal to God.
She was a humble servant who respected and obeyed her LORD.
She stayed a virgin, as GOD ordained her to, until after she gave birth to the Christ-Child.
---Gordon on 4/24/14


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Revelation describes some (such as the Elders and the Four Living Creatures) being nearer to God than others are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/22/14


No one is nearer to God than Jesus Christ and the Church, His Body, begotten sons THROUGH Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/14


\\This is our "Position" In Christ. NO One is positioned above another.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/14\\

According to the words of Jesus, there are different degrees of punishment in hell.

It then follows there are different degrees of reward in Heaven.

Revelation describes some (such as the Elders and the Four Living Creatures) being nearer to God than others are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/22/14


Thank you Cluny and Luke.

Let us always remember to love each other.
---Sa_muelbb7 on 4/22/14


\\I believe Cluny that you are not saying that GOD did not exist till after his birth to Mary\\

Correct. I am not saying that.

And I said in so many words that Mother of God never meant that Mary is Progenetrix of the Divine Nature.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/21/14


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Mary is just as much a member of the Body of Christ as anyone else who is. Mary had to wait with all the others for the Holy Spirit in the beginning of Acts. Her special position is that she too has been made the Righteousness of Christ like all those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ.

This is our "Position" In Christ. NO One is positioned above another.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/14


..That's why I won't discuss Marian doctrine on here.. Cluny x 2.

Lord, thank you for coming to this earth to discuss your father's kingdom and to continue to reveal yourself through your life, death, and resurrection.

I cannot understand one who gets his info from the apostles directly and criticizes a very small mistake that I made. Thank you for your forgiveness and focus.

Please send another so we can understand and not be criticized and shut out for our maladies much like pharisees used to do to those who were not like they were.
---aka on 4/21/14


Dear Samuel,
Mary is not the mother of God as stated. God has no mother. When making a statement that Mary is the mother of God, it has to be made clear, that Jesus was the human Person born to Mary. The 100% God has always been. He is the Word of God.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, the same was in the beginning with God."

In His human nature, He had a body soul and a spirit like all humans. In His Divine nature He was always God. No question about that.
No one has to believe this. There is no argument with me. If someone wants to believe God was born to Mary, that is their right. I have no problem with that. I will still love them no matter what. Agape
---Luke on 4/21/14


The Bible does not tell us that Mary has a special position in heaven unlike Moses, Elijah & Father Abraham. But we do not know all what God knows, she may have Deuteronomy 29:29. Her position should not bother us because God will give every soul the position it deserves., Matthew 20:23.
---Adetunji on 4/21/14


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Dear Cluny and Luke.

I believe that the problem here is more words and some set in by tradition then actually teaching. I believe Cluny that you are not saying that GOD did not exist till after his birth to Mary. But she is the Mother of JESUS who is both GOD and man.

Luke you do believe that JESUS is both GOD and Man. So in that sense Mary is the Mother of both.

I have found this and other problems many times. We need to understand what the other person is saying and not just get upset because they use different words.

At the same time. Josef I agree with you she is asleep in the Grave. Even thought the RCC made it a doctrine in the 1900 that she ascended bodily to heaven.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/21/14


Luke* God has no mother.

Yes God the Father had no mother, But God the Son had a Mother:)


Luke* Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. Only in His humanity was Mary the mother of Jesus. If God was born at the time Jesus was born, then we have no God before that time. Christ has always been. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Is Jesus God the Son or Not? When did he because just man??

Luke* If God was born at the time Jesus was born, then we have no God before that time.

Again you are confusing God the Father to God the Son, r u a JW, because they do the something??
---Ruben on 4/21/14


God has no mother.
He has always been. He was never born.
If God was born and we know God is not a man that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind as Numbers 23:19 tells us, then what was born to Mary was "a god" not God, the Witnesses would be right.
Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit. Only in His humanity was Mary the mother of Jesus. If God was born at the time Jesus was born, then we have no God before that time. Christ has always been. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. Just because the passages say He was name Lord, does not mean that God was born at that time, many in the Old T. called Him Lord and even saw Him, does not mean He was born then also. Agape
---Luke on 4/21/14


\\Mary was the mother of Jesus in His humanity. Mary is not the mother of God\\

This is the heresy of Nestorius.

"Mother of God/Theotokos" has never meant "progenetrix of the divine nature."

It means that the babe she bore is fully God and fully human in ONE person, not two.

If you read Luke 1, Elizabeth calls Mary "Mother of my Lord"--in effect, "Mother of YHVH," and was inspired by the Holy Spirit to do so, as the Bible plainly says.

And who is Lord BUT God?

Theotokos is really about who JESUS is.

That's why I won't discuss Marian doctrine on here: because most people's Christology is aberrant, if not heretical.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/20/14


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Cluny, I apologize that my phone changed my typing. Perfection is not mine.
---aka on 4/19/14


Does Mary, mother of Jesus, have a special position in heaven?" No.
She awaits Heaven along with the rest of mankind.
"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven." Jhn 3:13
For "Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Sons name, If you know? Pro 30:4
---josef on 4/20/14


Mary was the mother of Jesus in His humanity. Mary is not the mother of God. God is Spirit, and has no mother. Jesus in His humanity was a man, like any of us, grew like any of us, learned as we do, felt the pain we all feel when we get hurt.
We have to distinguish between Jesus humanity and His divine nature. Jesus was given that name at his human birth, but Christ has always been in His divine nature. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Mary was special for being chosen to have Jesus.
---Luke on 4/20/14


\\The rest of us mortals are even when we get there.
---KarenD on 4/17/14
\\

Are you saying that the most marginal Christian will have the same reward as the great Apostles and Martyrs?

Wrong.

This is NOT what the Bible says. Read the Parable of the Talents, or St. Paul's words about one star differs from another star in glory.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/20/14


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Luke 1:27 - To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin 's name was Mary,
Luke 1:28 - And the Angel came into her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee: blessed art among Women.

Psalm 32:1 - Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is cover,

Romans 4:7 - Saying Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and who sin's are cover,
---RichardC on 4/19/14


\\If you want to worship her. If you think that will help your faith.\\

I know nobody who gives Mary the LATREIA that belongs to God alone, and what's more, you don't either.

If such people exist, it's not because of the teaching of the church, but IN SPITE OF IT.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/14


If you want to worship her. If you think that will help your faith. Hope it works out for you. Cause Jesus said worship the the father not the mother of him.
---Bryan on 4/19/14


\\Cluny, I said surrogate and earthly. There is by v for both. \\

But she was NOT a surrogate, but the true Mother of the Incarnate Son.

And there is no v in "both."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/19/14


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When Jesus was on earth he gave no extra emphasis to his parents than a normal Jewish man was expected to do. He honoured His parents as a "First Born" Jewish son.
An interesting note is that Jesus put God first before His parents at the age of 12 when he remained in the Synagogue/temple. 12 was the appox. age of responsibility before God. Jesus's life changed from this point in regards to His earthly parents.
Jesus showed responsibility to hand over His earthly Jewish responsibility to another at the time of His crucifixion.

There is no special relationships in heaven! Heaven is a place of perfect love, where there is perfect love there is never any favourites and no-one is ever more special than the other!!
Amen!!
---tim on 4/18/14


No, Mary was not divine. She is not the queen of heaven as the Roman catholic church believes. Jesus said No man comes to the Father except by me. When the Lord Jesus Christ was on the cross He said woman, what have I to do with thee.
---Ray_MacCarthy on 4/19/14


Samuelbb7* She has no special position.

No special position , are u kidding me,
She said 'yes' to be the Mother of God the Son"

The Messenger from God said:

" Hail Mary full of Grace" (LK 1:28)

Scripture says : " As soon as the sound of your (Mary) greeting the baby in my womb jump for joy " (Lk 1:45)

" From now on all generations will call me Blessed" (Lk 1:46

And finally,

Rev 12:1-6 " A Woman cloth with sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown twelve stars on her head..She gave birth to a male child "


Samuelbb7* But we need to respect and honor her as a great person of Faith.

Tell me please how do you Honor her??
---Ruben on 4/19/14


Mary is dead. She was a godly woman who will undoubtedly be in the first resurrection at the second coming of her Son. But no scripture places her currently in heaven.



---jerry6593 on 4/19/14


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Other than being the mother of Jesus. Don't think jacking with her will be good for you soul. She did say something important in her life about Jesus, do what says. And with that statement he turn water into wine.
---Bryan on 4/19/14


In discussing the Marion doctrine, I think it is important to avoid the extremes of Marion excess and Marion defect and pigeonholing others.

Most commonly if one is arguing his side, he often accuses the other to the other extreme. Ex. if you don't believe in calvinist doctrine, you must believe totally in armenian doctrine. This is false of course.

Another difficulty is the use of worship, veneration, and adoration and the need to misuse these words in pursuit of winning the argument.
---aka on 4/19/14


Cluny, I said surrogate and earthly. There is by v for both. My statement does not diminish Mary in any way. Jesus is God incarnate.

If you have to believe that somehow she is above humanity to carry and birth and raise god incarnate, that is fine with me.

To me her humanity is very important as a vessel for God incarnate.
---aka on 4/18/14


\\First of all, Mary was the surrogate and earthly mother of jesus.\\

Where does the Bible say that Mary was merely a surrogate?

BCV, please.

THIS is why I say that there is no point in discussing Marian doctrine with people who don't even believe that Jesus is God Incarnate.

Where else did He get His human nature, including His human body, aka?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 4/18/14


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First of all, Mary was the surrogate and earthly mother of jesus.

Secondly, I do believe that all of us will have rank and position and inheritance subject to the Lord's judgement and will.

If anybody in the bible gets position because of performance of earthly obedience, it should be joseph...jesus' stepfather.
---aka on 4/18/14


According to the Bible, only JESUS has a special position in heaven. The rest of us mortals are even when we get there.
---KarenD on 4/17/14

Karen,

Mary who said 'Yes' to bring salvation to us all is just like me and you, are you kidding me:

Rev 11:9 " Then God's temple in Heaven was open and within his temple was seen the ark of HIS covenant..".. A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven. A Woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head...She gave birth to a son, a male child who will rule all nations with a iron scepter."(rev 12:4)

Who is the male child??
---Ruben on 4/18/14


Mary was a sinner who had to be saved by Grace. She has no special position.

But we need to respect and honor her as a great person of Faith.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 4/18/14


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