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Hello, how come there are so, many wicked people who are in the churches today? Some go just to gossip, bring chaos, reap havoc,among others who really love God and want to worship, in a spirit of truth & love and serve God..

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Love of Jesus! Elena9555

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Hello,Samuelbb7 all respect got to agree brother. Thankyou,and everyone who took the time,sweat,help my blogg..carry it weight! Love all my Christian family.
Love of Jesus! Thankfully
Elena 5999
---Elena9555 on 5/19/14


I do not believe in Predestination either.

But Hypocrites in the Church are the servants of Satan.

Remember all the Hypocrites in the Jerusalem that JESUS had to deal with. Read all the Old Testament prophets they were always having to deal with Hypocrites.


3Jo 1:9
I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

The Church of the days of the Apostles and today still have them.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/14


//. I don't believe in predestination nor do I believe that God created wicked children for Satan to sow.//

I did not ask you to believe in predestination. I asked you to read the correct parable. And what did Jesus say?
"The field is the world, the good seed are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels." Matthew 13:38,39.
Who planted the good seeds? The Son of Man, Jesus Christ. Who planted the wicked seed? The devil. Not my words but the Lords. Agape
---Luke on 5/19/14


Barb, Oh how I agree with your words "I don't believe in predestination nor do I believe that God created wicked children for Satan to sow."

I know quite a number of people who believe that 'the saved' were predestined to be saved but will never accept that (if that is true) God must have also 'predestined all others to be lost' but I don't see how we can have one without the other.

I would not wish to worship a God who had created human beings purely for them to spend eternity with Satan. Foreknowledge is not the same as 'having planned it to be that way'.

Every blessing to you Barb.
---Rita_H on 5/18/14


God chooses all for righteous. But all may not choose him. Matthew 13, Mark 4, and Luke 8 the first parable Jesus taught what people not God but people will do with the word when they hear it. There are 6 things they will do with the word after they hear it. You choose one those areas for the word everytime you hear it.
---Bryan on 5/17/14




Ok, Luke you are talking about predestination if you believe the children of the kingdom were planted and had no choice but to become the righteous who shine forth in the Kingdom of their Father. I don't believe in predestination nor do I believe that God created wicked children for Satan to sow.
---barb on 5/17/14


Dear Barb,
I will explain my answer.
each parable has its own context. The parable of the soils is different then the parable of the wheat and tares. The parable of the soils nowhere mentions tares and wheat. It speaks of the good ground where the "Seed" the word of God fell on, that produced fruit.
In the parable of the wheat and the tares, the "seeds" planted by the Son of Man are the sons of the kingdom. The wicked are seeds planted by Satan. Two different parables and two different seeds. Agape
---Luke on 5/17/14


barb. all these happenings were foretold. John 3:19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
Matthew 13:15 "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."
As then, even now. We do our part and some will receive us and some will not, that is just the way it is.
---Nana on 5/16/14


I agree, Nana but sadly that isn't what they want to hear. Matt 7:13-14.
---barb on 5/16/14


How come?

Matthew 24:10_13 "And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. [11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

Just don't let your heart 'wax cold'.
---Nana on 5/16/14




The wheat and the tares? The farmer sow good seed right. The he went to sleep at night. Then his workers can and said, "we thought you only sowed good seed were did the tares come from? The enemy sowed them? There can be several fields here. You have your on field and earth as a field. Your given the truth of the word why would you not believe? It is your on field we're talking about. The word has never change what it did yesterday it can still do today. When did tares of doubt and unbelieve grow In your on field? Jesus is telling us how the word works. If you let tares grow in you field don't let them choke out the word "good seed".
---Bryan on 5/16/14


True Barb there is another who is sowing lies. But because a person is partially deceived does not always mean they are lost. Only GOD knows the heart.

What Luke is saying in my understanding is that all denominations here on earth are made up of wheat and tares. We do not know which is which but GOD does.

His Church or Ecclesia called out people of GOD will come from all churches. As one of our founders said there will be more Roman Catholics in Heaven then any other denomination. Why because down through history there have been more of them.

GOD Agapes all of us. He wants all to be saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/16/14


//If differences are not division, I sure would like to know what it is. Denominational christians bicker about their differences - even among the so-called worldly "churches" within a denomination.//

What is the difference Steven when you also bicker with those from the denominations. No man is exempt. Not your gatherings or the gathering of others. Your teachings do not mash up with anyone else, and you speak against the others. You are no different then those who answer here. You need to remember that the elect will come from all corners of the world when the time comes. Only God knows who they are and not anyone else. Agape
---Luke on 5/16/14


Bryan, I only hold onto the words of Jesus Christ. That way I know that I'm spreading/sharing the Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth. Why doesn't anyone want to address the fact that there is another sower in the field who is sowing lies and whose final product ends up in the furnace?
---barb on 5/16/14


Scott1: "Differences are not divison.

If differences are not division, I sure would like to know what it is. Denominational christians bicker about their differences - even among the so-called worldly "churches" within a denomination.
---Steveng on 5/15/14


Keep the parable in context. Matthew 13 the first 8 verses are about just the word and what you will do with it. The Jesus tells his "followers" & his disciples. It is given to you to know. Are you a follower or a disciple or neither? You are one of the three. What parts of the word have you thrown to the ground and what parts of the word do you hold on to?
---Bryan on 5/15/14


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Luke, I am sorry. I should never have said what I did and it will never happen again.

To me the parables in Matt 13 all work together. Jesus starts out with the parable of the sower and ends by explaining to His dsciples about the tares of the field and the final harvest. I'm not a farmer but I think the field has to be planted with seeds (sowed) and ripened before it can be harvested. I'll have a closer look at it and will have no problem admitting to being wrong if that is the case.
---barb on 5/15/14


Some here seem to be trying to make the Parable too literal.

Those who are true sons of GOD obey their loving Father in Heaven and do right. Which includes going to the whole world to spread the Gospel and instruct disciples.

Those who follow JESUS obey him in love. First John.

Those who teach False doctrine should not be helped. But should be corrected in love.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/14


//Yep, I know who Luke is and he's still here ready to scoop up after anyone who dares to speak out against his manmade doctrines.//

Dear Barb,
why did you have to say such things about me? They do not make what you said concerning the parable of the tares truth. I never once try to ridicule you. You do not want to admit you are wrong, that is ok. Here is the passage again,
"He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, "the good seeds are the sons of the Kingdom" but the tares are the sons of the wicked one." The passage you gave,
The sons of the kingdom are the sons of God. They were planted in this world. This passage has nothing to do with the parable of the soils.
---Luke on 5/15/14


Excellent points, Nana. The sons of the Kingdom are the final results of the seeds that Jesus planted and the sons of the wicked one are the final results of the seeds that Satan planted.

Yep, I know who Luke is and he's still here ready to scoop up after anyone who dares to speak out against his manmade doctrines.
---barb on 5/14/14


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Matthew 13:4 "And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up"
Doubt very much that the fowls devoured "the sons of the kingdom" which fell by the wayside?

John 17:8 "For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me, and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me." Those who receive the word and keep it, they are "the sons of the kingdom" (Luke 8:15).

Nah, I agree with you barb. This Luke spirit has been around here for many years correcting everyone. Those it agrees with it says, "You have answered correctly"!
---Nana on 5/14/14


Luke, can the sons of the Kingdom be sons of the Kingdom if they do not believe Jesus' words and obey? Can the sons of the wicked one be his sons if they are not deceived by his lies.

"He that receives seed into the good ground is he who hears "THE WORD" and understands it and bears fruit and brings forth..." Matt 13:23. Which WORD would that be? "when anyone hears the "WORD" of the Kingdom and does not understand, then comes the wicked one and catches it away..." Matt 13:19. Whose WORD would that be? Jesus IS the "Word of God" (Rev. 19:13) who sowed the good seed. Satan planted lies to deceive and distort the Word.
---barb on 5/14/14


// Actually, it was Jesus who sowed the seed (His Word) Matt 13:37. No need for anyone else to sow new seed because Jesus has already planted the Truth. It was Satan who planted the tares (lies), Matt 13:39.//

Dear Barb,
I wanted to correct you on what you said. You said Jesus sowed the seed (His Word). And that is not what the parable says, it says,
"He answered and said to them, He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, "the good seed are the sons of the kingdom," but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.' Matt. 13:37,38.
The seeds is not His word, the seeds are the sons of the kingdom. The believers. Agape
---Luke on 5/14/14


Samuelbb7, The hand and foot can only do what the brain tells them to do. Jesus said that if your hand causes you to sin to cut it off because it is better for it to perish than for your whole body to be cast into Hell. Matt 5:30.

Our job, as followers of Jesus is not to plant new seed but to follow the instructions He gave in Matt 28:18-20. We are not to go beyond that which Jesus taught 2nd John 9-11.

Matt 15:12-14. Eventually the tares (liars) will be plucked up and will fall into the gutter taking their proteges with them.
---barb on 5/12/14


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Good point Barb.
But it is like the difference between a hand and a foot.


1Co 12:15

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body, is it therefore not of the body?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/14


Actually, it was Jesus who sowed the seed (His Word) Matt 13:37. No need for anyone else to sow new seed because Jesus has already planted the Truth. It was Satan who planted the tares (lies), Matt 13:39. The good seed and the tares continue to grow together in the field (world, New Testament) and only near the end of time will the servants see the difference, Matt 13:28-30. Then Jesus will send forth His angels to gather out of His Kingdom the tares, all who practice lawlessness. Matt 13:41. Then shall the righteious shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father, Matt 13:43, Dan 12:3.

When Jesus returns He is not coming to sow more seed but to reap. It is up to each one of us to make sure we have not been deceived.
---barb on 5/9/14


Steveng

I [Paul] planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.
1 corinth 3:6

This sounds like a difference to between Paul and Apollos. Paul being the "evangelist" while Apollos preached more "santification = to become more holy" Differences are not divison.
---Scott1 on 5/9/14


Well Cluny I have seen that some of what you say is true about some MJ.

But when we look at the Apostles none of that would be true. The Apostles taught out of the Old Testament and used it to find truth and what to teach.

The New Testament does not contradict the Old. The NT completes the Old.

So doctrine today should match the entire Bible. Just as what the Apostles taught match the whole Bible.


Jer 44:23

Because ye have burned incense, and because ye have sinned against the LORD, and have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, nor walked in his law, nor in his statutes, nor in his testimonies, therefore this evil is happened unto you, as at this day.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/14


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\\They like Messianic Jews today would not allow much that the Orthodox churches practice. \\

Messianic Judaism today bears no resemblance to what the first few generations of Christians did.

MJ today is a blend of post Christian Rabbinism, yea even Reform, and modern American evangelicalism, with a splash of such movies as THE TEN COMMANDMENTS thrown in.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/14


Dear Cluny

The Apostles were Jewish and did not stop being Jewish. They like Messianic Jews today would not allow much that the Orthodox churches practice.

Some of your practices are indeed from the Apostles. But others are from latter centuries being added as the church left and turned to hate it's Jewish roots.

Which is why these latter traditions are higher then scripture.

Those who truly follow the Apostles use their words as the final authority for their words are the basis of all true traditions.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/14


Peter says,"[21]Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,..."

No argument with Peter.
---Rod4Him on 5/7/14


//Paul said: "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."//

Dear Steven,
Why are you not speaking the same as others? Why are you trying to divide the believers?
Spiritually, all genuine believers are of one mind. They are One body in Christ, with different duties. When One hurts, the whole body hurts. You are hurting other believers who meet by separating yourself from them. Agape
---Luke on 5/7/14


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\\water baptism does not save anyone\\

In one of the letters of St. Peter, it says, "Baptism doth now save us." Go argue with him.

\\I like old fashion worship.\\

So do I. That's why I'm Orthodox.

Our worship patterns go back to the time of the Apostles.

Baptists' worship patterns and doctrines go back only to the 19th century.

Who is really being old fashioned, shira?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/14


cluny, we also follow the doctrine that the bible teaches. I was not baptized until I was saved. water baptism does not save anyone. southern Baptist churches here have gone contemporary. I like old fashion worship. I am not southern Baptist but I am independent Baptist. we answer to God and we do not have a headquarters like most churches. the problem with some Baptist is the pants thing. some thinks its a sin to wear pants. if that is true then I am a big sinner.
---shira4368 on 5/6/14


Scott1: "Brother Steveng instead of viewing that as an evil, view that as a good thing. Not including outright sin, differences are good."

Is Christ divided?

Paul said: "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
---Steveng on 5/6/14


\\Our doctrine, shira4368, come directly from the bible, not from a denominational church in which every denominational church has their own rituals, traditions,\\

This includes the worldly denominational Church of Steveng.

Do you use incense? The Bible says the Gentiles will.

Where do you baptize?

And so it goes.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/14


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//We assemble where two or more meet - at one's home, at the park, or the local cafe.//

Dear Steven,
I am sorry but your explanation does not change the fact that where ever you meet, the place is in the world also. The houses where you meet belong to someone who has to pay rent, mortgage, and taxes. And you have to have some kind of rules or leaders who say where you should meet and what to believe in.
You want to separate yourself from others who also meet, like your place is holy and others or not. That was not a good reason you gave. It does not matter where Christians meet. You will find wheat and tares in all of them. Agape
---Luke on 5/6/14


//Every denominational church has their own rituals, traditions,...//

Brother Steveng instead of viewing that as an evil, view that as a good thing. Not including outright sin, differences are good. For example, I like media so I go to a church with a strong media presence, another church is very community based, mentorship based, prayer based, worship based, analytical based, teaching based, etc. My point is we can learn so much from our differences. You even said you meet in parks is that not a ritual of not having a building, my church does not own a building either. I am sure you have a leader of your group does he/she talk about one aspect of God more than another that is a ritual and tradition.
---Scott1 on 5/6/14


\\ or the local cafe.
---Steveng on 5/5/14\\

So you say your prayers in public to be seen of men?

Jesus condemned the Pharisees for doing that very thing.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/14


shira4368, it is you that does not get it. Every denominational church has their own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. A denominational church is of this world. It is a non-profit corporation and must obey the government to keep its non-profit status. It is of this world by the possessions it owns. Eighty to ninty percent of the donations/income it receives goes to maintanin these possessions and to pay the salaries of the workers.

Our church, the body of Christ, the christians, have no connection to the government, no possessions, and 100% of the donations go directly to help the poor and needy.

We assemble where two or more meet - at one's home, at the park, or the local cafe.
---Steveng on 5/5/14


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Our doctrine, shira4368, come directly from the bible, not from a denominational church in which every denominational church has their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Our assemblies are not at any certain time or at any certain place like the heathen churches do, like the counterfeit churches where the members are required to be.

The true church of God is the christians, nothing more. Christianity is a lifestyle.

If you do an online KJV bible search (biblegateway for example) for the words "one another," "each other," "comfort," "encourag," "pray," and "love," and you'll find the true christian lifestyle.
---Steveng on 5/5/14


Steveng, ok you don't get it either. Where do you assemble yourself with believers? Or do you assemble at all.i tried to explain why I am what I am. If I was catholic, you would still know what I believe. If I was a Methodist you would know. I chose what I am because that is how I believe. Now when you "gather" with believers, how do you know anything about their doctrine. Doctrine is very important to me and it should be important to you. I will say, you just keep going to ur generic church and I will go to mine. I don't plan to change. God has sustained me for 75 yrs. I'll just stick with the old stuff.
---shira4368 on 5/4/14


shira4368: "How can anyone know what you believe..."

Just read the bible. Do an online KJV bible search for the words "one another," "each other," "pray," to learn more about the christian lifestyle.


shira4368: "...and how do you come to believe the way you do."

There is no unity among denominational churches. The true church is based only on relationships.

shira4368: "Do you go to a generic church? That is why I'm baptist. "

There you go again. The true church does not have buildings to go to, furnishings, entertainment systems treasured arts, statues, landscaping and the money and resources to maintain these worldly things.
---Steveng on 5/4/14


Well Steveng,you are right about that one. I'm an independent baptist. Let me say also we aren't legalistic either even tho some are. There is a Guy that got on my facebook (didn't know him). He preached me a sermon about my jeans. I should have commented on what my church believes.we don't have rock music that's one way we are different.
---shira4368 on 5/1/14


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Dear Elena I pray that GOD continue with you and that you get better daily.

Dear Shira saying you are a Baptist tells me very little. Like a Southern Baptist once said. You have Ten Baptist in a room and you have eleven opinions.

True some denominations have forsaken the Bible. But none are perfect. Yes even my own. :)

But we all should stand for JESUS. He is the center and the one who saves us.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/1/14


Steveng, you are WRONG about denominations. We are to come out from among them and be seperate. I am what I am and my denomination tells what I believe. How can anyone know what you believe and how do you come to believe the way you do. Do you go to a generic church? That is why I'm baptist.
---shira4368 on 4/30/14


To Bro.Luke, All my family, on CNT. Wow! I am surprised,Bro.Luke, will be going/ truth/ never post times, days go to drs.You all made my day!

Love of Jesus!

Tell you the truth, lots of pain,stomach problems, yet no cancer there.Going be test'again.
bad arthritis,after chemo,always freezing cold & hungry! Eat like a horse, Food doesn't stay down.most days, sleep better, got anxiety meds.Going for tests soon, if any new tumor'growing or any going away.I am very fortunate, because I am not supposed to be here,it'been over the years they proposed... gone, I'm still here..I am thankfull anybody will even say hello, to me.Thankyou! Bro.Luke
---Elena9555 on 4/30/14


Dear Elena,
I know you are suffering, but are you getting worse concerning your condition? I thank God for putting you online to share not only your life with others but also your pain and suffering and true love for Christ. Sometimes we, as others not you, don't realize how good we have it. We have a few pains and we complain. When sisters like you are going through so much and yet holding on to the faith. True believers like you will persevere. God keeps His own. He "is able to keep them from stumbling, and to make them stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy" Jude 24. With all love agape.
---Luke on 4/30/14


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Elena, your question is the reason the bible tells us about the tares in the wheat. Churches are full of tares. Satan always is where Christians are gathered just to tear things apart if he is allowed. Seems he always starts in the choir. Once my friend was working in the fellowship hall and the pastor was standing in the door of the fellowship hall. Our pastor was not even near the church at the time. The pastors 3 yr old saw Jesus in the church once when her and her dad were doing something in church. She said " look daddy, it's Jesus" he no, no one is there she then said " yes he is see him and pointed to the back of the church." These things are not an everyday occurance but they do occur.
---shira4368 on 4/29/14


Thanks to all of you,well wishes,best fight in my life, weapons not carnal, but break down the strong holds, the enemy has not won.

my grandmother taught me how to pray before, I could read or went to school. my best weapon is prayer.Faith is the key that will unlock the door.
Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/28/14


//yes I agree that this happens and i am really sorry that it does. But remember that churchs are bad because they have people in it and people make mistakes and sin.//

Dear Scott,
You are correct. Most visible churches start with a great intention.
To teach the gospel truth. Later to get members who are not really saved. Some bring their own theologies that are not biblical, and pretty soon you have a church teaching wrong. I have read stories like this in the Bible, so we know that happens a lot. But you are right, if we look at the bad things all the time, we begin to think negative on everything. When a saved person walks into a church, Christ is present because of that person or persons, since Christ lives in us. Agape
---Luke on 4/29/14


Elane.Cancer is not a battle easily won. More lost than win. You faith has to be unwavering accross you life. I say pease to your mind, health to you body not because of anything I have done. But for all Jesus has done for us. I have known those who have won the battle, those who have lost and some have just gave the fight. All in Jesus. Which ever you choose pease to your heart for he will never leave you or forsake you.
---Bryan on 4/28/14


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Bro.Luke, thankyou, yes, you are very correct.I got to say I'm a cancer patient, really often not well.My deep apologies, if I offend anyone..I am at times, very tired, this illness, takes you down.I don't hate anyone, but It's true, and how I been mistreated, in the church'here.Doesn't mean I would never ever go, but I'd be carefull,as to
where..God never changes, He knows
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 4/28/14


/Satan is the creation of denominational churches/
Steveng

/[pastors] don't care about the damage the cause to people/
mike

yes I agree that this happens and i am really sorry that it does. But remember that churchs are bad because they have people in it and people make mistakes and sin. BUT I also know that if you just look for a duck you will only find a duck. If you only look for problems you will find only problems. If you look for God you will find God. matthew 7: 7-11.
---Scott1 on 4/28/14


Dear Elena,
your response is very true. You will always find tares in any church. Many are there to just start trouble, others because they do not know better, and then others to divide members. It is not always because of satan, many times it is because of sin, everyone fails at some point or another, so everyone sins. Steven wants to blame satan, just as the RCC wanted to blame the Jews for the death of Jesus, but Jesus died because of the sin of the world. But The elect will come from all corners of the world.
There is many times more mean people within the visible church then true members of the body of Christ. The visible Church, whether in a small gathering or a large one, is a mixture of both, wheat and tares.
---Luke on 4/28/14


Wicked people are in churches because the devil wants his followers to destroy the church from the inside.

Hypocrites are in many ways the worst enemies of the GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 4/28/14


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Christianity Is based on the Word of God. Yes there is love in it but there is also judgment in it, but it is always according to the word. Not religious righteous but the word. Jesus said the word is like a seed. Everything will live in it. Blessing and cursing. So if you trust is in Jesus "who is the word of a God made flesh" you will sow him know he changes heart.
---Bryan on 4/26/14


To Bro.Luke,thanks,for response, the church's it'a mixture, it's hurtfull,not only to me, but,others, people can agree or we can disagree.I truly believe there are the wheat,the tare, I think that too blingbling music, get fast $ leaders do not stop,the gossip. I'vebeen physically attack' in a church, by females.The church here,they don't want singles,many women agree.we all are not perfect, so, I refuse to be abused, anymore, Cancer is my eneny.
God don't make junk..prefere pray & help the Vets, help somewhere poor people are, sick who need help.Not charge a dime.When God heals me that what I will be doing.
---Elena9555 on 4/26/14


Dear Elena,
I disagree with Steven. It does not matter how small or big the visible church is, you will always find a mixture of people in the church. Jesus warned us concerning His church in (verse 28-31),
"For I know this, that after My departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock (the church). Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Therefore watch, and remember that for three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day with tears" Acts 20:29-31.
Unless you are the only one in the church, you cannot possibly know the salvation of others. You don't know who is a tare, so we are warned by Jesus.
---Luke on 4/26/14


Satan is the creation of denominational churches. Satan has divided christiandom up into tens of thousands of different denominational churches. Today's church, all denominaional churches, is the counterfeit church.

Christianity is nothing more than a lifestyle based upon love.
---Steveng on 4/24/14

Steveng, are you saying Christianity is nothing more than a lifestyle based upon love...or that is what the evil denominations teach?

True Christianity is so much MORE than a lifestyle based upon love.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/14


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Wicked people should be in chruch. But don't put wicked people incharge of people in chruch. Blind leading the blind will in up with both in hell. You share all all, did I say all the Gospel then the new borns in Christ turn form their their, did I say their wicked ways. We all had wicked way even after we came to know Christ Jesus.
---Bryan on 4/26/14


Thankyou,Bro.Lee, that book worth looking for to read.amen.
God bless you.
Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/25/14


Anne Graham Lotz wrote a book called " Wounded By God's People." It is worth the read.

Blessings

Mr.Lee

PSALM 27
He is my light and my salvation whom shall I fear?


---Mr.Lee on 4/25/14


My Brothers & Sisters,not any to be insult, just saying, that here
I agree with Bro.Steveng, because I realize so, the
church'here,just as he said they are very concern about the sound system
They are concern about things, not all that necessary, when I was a young girl, we in the church were taught courtesy, respect, we did not run all o'er the church,we had to pray, we had to be courteous, we did not laugh if poor people or another race came to.our church.Shira4368,points I am making Theyclaim they want to save souls? Show love agape
We are to love people, the holy spirit is going to adhere that we love the people as they are...let God and the holy spirit work on them.
Not gossip, or put them down.
---Elena9555 on 4/25/14


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elena, cluny, the church is a hospital for sinners but they aren't spiritual until they are born of the Spirit. that is not my opinion but a fact. we are of our fathers, God or satan. a follower of satan cannot be spiritual. I know our churches are different in different parts of the world but God is the same forever and ever. He has not changed neither will He change.
---shira4368 on 4/25/14


Hello, Shira4368,Bro.Cluny-thanks,for
both feed back..I got to say, I really do
agree with Bro.Steveng, you for instance my Sis.Shira4368, you may have a good church,serious about the word, helpfull, giving love & seeking truly, to reach out to the lost,who ever.Bro.Cluny-makes a point valid, it should be"a hospital heal, comfort, set free, those spiritually blind..
Then churches like Bro.Steveng speaks so,many perhaps thousands of what I call inadequate.
churches, prefere politics,fashion shows, even ballroom dancing, I have seen..
It depends where you go
it's different, where you are, but here is what I see..not close, to what church was when I was coming along. Just my opinion.
---Elena9555 on 4/25/14


Elena, someone wiser than I said that the church is a spiritual hospital for sinners, not a vacation resort for saints.

The purpose of the Gospel is not to make us "nice people" but new men and women.

Christ is risen.
---Cluny on 4/25/14


Elena, someone told me the other day that they were spiritual but didn't go to church. How can one be spiritual and don't want to go to church. When I miss church even once my spiritual life suffers.
---shira4368 on 4/25/14


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"How come there are so, many wicked people who are in the churches today?" This is because many people in our churches are simply 'church goers' and are not Christians. They believe themselves to be Christians because they attend church, some having done so since being babes in arms and they just don't understand the difference.

Unless the one in the pulpit (whether it is the minister or a visiting preacher) has a message which challenges the individual, most of these people will remain unsaved and continue to gossip and cause havoc.

All churches have an element of this I'm sad to say. Too many churches do not have a Godly preacher in their pulpits these days. Christianity has been 'watered down' beyond belief.
---Rita_H on 4/25/14


Hello,to Bro.Steveng, all respect, your last sentence, got to agree that's it in
a "nutshell".The true church, is really about christians spreading the love of christ & serving Jesus Christ is a lifestyle.thankyou,again.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 4/25/14


Hello, thanks!In short, I had a page, prepared, think my cpr (for blind-visuallyimpaired) ate it up! I was try to say when the holy spirit, in prayer really helped me get rid of/ stop sin(s) in my life, apart from praise God, others on here.That'why I put this topic.'was a brother a church, I spent yrs.too, all it was..gossip, insults, he was faithfull, came all he could.Never did any brothers, take time, encourage, give their time to listen, help.
God needs us to be family, light in the
darkness..to a world that knows none.
Jesus love, concern, even rebuke is done orderly.caring..
Ok.keep replies coming..
Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 4/24/14


The meaning of church today is quite different than in Jesus' time. In Jesus' time it only meant a body of believers assembling wherever two or more are gathered - a home, a park, a cafe.

Today it's a building just by the way it's used: "I didn't see you in church this morning," "Our church has great entertainment," "We have many programs at our church," "Our church has a great sound system," etc.

Satan is the creation of denominational churches. Satan has divided christiandom up into tens of thousands of different denominational churches. Today's church, all denominaional churches, is the counterfeit church.

Christianity is nothing more than a lifestyle based upon love.
---Steveng on 4/24/14


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the bible also talks about greedy, hypocritical pastors who does not want to be rebuked. they behave like CEOs & don't care about the damage the cause to people. they only think about is money under the cover of christianity
---mike on 4/24/14


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." C.S. Lewis

This is why we must practice grace sprinkled with salt. Christians love to spread truth from our understanding but it may not be what the person needs to here. Encouragement is more powerful than discipline.
---Scott1 on 4/24/14


That's been a problem from the beginning, as a casual reading of the NT shows.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/24/14


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