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A christian couple prayed to God for a job. God answered, "Open up a pot shop. Who are you not to do my will?" So they opened a medical marijuana shop in Sacramental California and use it to spread the gospel. Your thoughts?

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My opinion is and will be is that we are to not judge others for what is clearly their and the Lord's decision.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/14

How can anyone who doesn't even KNOW The Lord delivers one from sin, someone who has never DIED TO SIN, speak for The Lord in the first place? So you see, it was I who drew you out. And although you speak about being BORN AGAIN, you have no real testimony by attending NA that you are. Oh you say, "I go to tell OTHERS NOW, how Jesus set me free from SIN? " if that is so, tell us also...how has Jesus set you free from sin? You claimed on another post you will never be "free" from this. No one judges, however scripture does. Is God a liar? Or is Mark_Eaton confused?
---kathr4453 on 5/6/14


7 Be not deceived, God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption, but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/14


And make yourself look more righteous and others weak and legalistic is truly a sad day here at CN!
---kathr4453 on 5/5/14

Is this not what you are doing to the couple who opened the shop? Judging them as wrong and inferior? I must confess I baited you indirectly by my post to StrongAxe.

And yes, I go to NA. That is why I am so interested in this subject. Not for my own use. I have been clean and sober since Jan. 26, 1991. I see legalized marijuana as the largest problem about to face the USA and the BOC.

My opinion is and will be is that we are to not judge others for what is clearly their and the Lord's decision.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/14


Also remember we in this dispensation of GRACE are being conformed to His Image. And that comes only to those who die to self, walk in the spirit and not in the flesh
---kathr4453 on 5/5/14

But what does this look like?

Doctrinal statements are fine, but our belief must be simple and clear enough tell a child.

Dying to self has little to do with eating and drinking and has more to do with giving preference to others and not yourself. Living a servants lifestyle without regard for your own comforts.

And I am sure my Lord drank fermented wine. He knew the problem with drink is not to be controlled by it, as when we are drunk. but that we are only be controlled by the HS.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/14


The dear ones who prohibit many such actions are weaker in faith.

And, they make what God has said is lawful, illegal in their religion. They make a law unto themselves.

---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/14

No not necessarily, they may be the most Godly of all, making a personal sacrifice for the good of a weaker brother. so the one making the greater sacrifice is more mature, not weaker.

Also remember we in this dispensation of GRACE are being conformed to His Image. And that comes only to those who die to self, walk in the spirit and not in the flesh. Our heavy hearts are surrendered to HIM, not booz. HE is our JOY and LIFE therefore our hearts are not heavy when walking in the fruit of the Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/14




It's amazing what a person can justify in their own minds and say what they want to do is from God. While the use of marijuana has been shown to have certain medical benefits, it's also been shown to have more negative benefits than positive. While I'm not in a position to judge on this matter, I'd state that they really need to reevaluate this and make sure it's not a move of desperation.
---wivv on 5/5/14


Mark_ Eaton, not to throw stones here, but...didn't you say you went to AA? I may be wrong here and have you confused with another here online. If so, my apologies.

Yet if this is so, are you saying you an AA member can drink? So tell us what happened. Did it start socially, or did it happen with the first drink? Or did it start trying to wash away the blues?

Be not DRUNK, but be filled with the Holy Spirit. All here know one beer or one glass of wine will NEVER heal a heavy heart. And we all know alcohol is a depressant, not an emotional pick me up. Unsaved turn to worldly measures however Spiritual Christians do not.

And make yourself look more righteous and others weak and legalistic is truly a sad day here at CN!
---kathr4453 on 5/5/14


If you believe alcohol is ALWAYS wrong, you must re-think your position to be in line with scripture, that says otherwise.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/14

I must remind myself which side of this Scripture I am on:

Rom. 14:1-2 "Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only.

As Scripture tells me, all things are lawful yet not all edify.

The dear ones who prohibit many such actions are weaker in faith.

And, they make what God has said is lawful, illegal in their religion. They make a law unto themselves.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/5/14


It's amazing what a person can justify in their own minds and say what they want to do is from God. While the use of marijuana has been shown to have certain medical benefits, it's also been shown to have more negative benefits than positive. While I'm not in a position to judge on this matter, I'd state that they really need to reevaluate this and make sure it's not a move of desperation.
---wivv on 5/5/14


What would Jesus do is the question to be asked when u want to sell drugs......just because the law says u can don't make it right.....the Bible teaches we are not to conform to the ways of the world.
---Ron_Maynard on 5/5/14




If you REALLY want to understand the will of God, you must accept ALL the scriptures that speak to a subject - -------
---StrongAxe on 5/4/14

Yes this applies to you as well. Other scriptures have been placed here, but you seem to look only at scripture to find loop holes, rather than ALL SCRIPTURE. And unless you have totally surrendered your life a living sacrifice...Romans 12:1-2, you cannot really KNOW the will of God to begin with. It would also appear in those verses, one who has presented himself a living sacrifice to God is going to walk in holiness Godliness and righteousness. And again we see Jesus did not take drugs before he was crucified nor do we see he drank His heavy heart away in the garden the night before.
---kathr4453 on 5/5/14


Aka, Jesus was addressing Jews and the Law. So taking those scripture and trying to apply them to this issue is not what Jesus was talking about to begin with.

Strongaxe, we all have our own personal convictions on this subject according to our own conscience and our own personal intimate relationship with The Lord. I really don't care how many verses you find to justify "your" lifestyle, your conscience is your own. To promote drugs and drinking that may cause ANYONE to stumble is a SIN. Therefore for those reasons with so many others, many Christians do not partake. We do so,out,of LOVE FOR GOD AND OTHERS. So our motive is different.

You do it because you believe you can, and your own self is all that matters.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/14


shira4368:

Yes, the one single scripture you quoted is correct. But the two I quoted are ALSO correct. Making a doctrine out of one scripture on a subject that suits you while ignoring all of those that disagree with you can lead to doctrinal distortion that is typical of cults.

If you REALLY want to understand the will of God, you must accept ALL the scriptures that speak to a subject - both those you like, and those you don't. If you disagree with what some scriptures teach, that means your thinking on a subject is different than God's thinking on that subject in some ways.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/14


Wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging........proverbs 20:1.
---shira4368 on 5/4/14


we all need God's mercy.

Mat 15:17 Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?
Mat 15:18 But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.
Mat 15:20 These are what defile a person. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile anyone."

Mat 15:13 He answered, "Every plant [person] that my heavenly Father has not planted will be rooted up.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone, they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."

Do you not yet understand?
---aka on 5/4/14


kathr4453:

Regardless of what you think "heavy heart" means, or what God actually means by it, the fact remains that Proverbs 31:6 recommends wine for it. This means there are at least two cases (this plus Timothy's stomach) where the Bible RECOMMENDS wine. 31:6 similarly RECOMMENDS strong drink for those about to die (similar to modern medicine where it's sometimes OK to give strong narcotics like morphine to those on their deathbeds, because they will be dead before they become addicted anyway).

You can't dismiss these recommendations without discarding the scriptures that make them. If you believe alcohol is ALWAYS wrong, you must re-think your position to be in line with scripture, that says otherwise.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/14


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Prov 31:4 says wine and strong drink are not for kings or princes, BUT 31:6 recommends wine for heavy hearts and strong drink for those about to perish. Would God recommend anything illicit?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/14

Is God really RECOMMENDING WINE FOR HEAVY HEARTS??? Scripture can mean anything you want Strongaxe. And who decided what a heavy heart is? We see among the RCC so many heavy hearts in Ireland for instance. Is this why alcoholism and POVERTY is the highest among the RCC?

Yes, I know many of you who are RCC promote that verse to promote alcohol. And the evidence is in. Now you want to use this same verse to promote drugs? That evidence is in too.

Is your views that of the RCC StrongAxe, or just your own?
---kathr4453 on 5/4/14


Wine for a heavy heart...let's really look at this verse. Is this truly God's RECOMMENDATION to HIS PEOPLE? We see Jacob who thought he lost Joseph. Here is a heavy heart, but I see no recommendation of wine. And if that were recommended, exactly when would the drinking STOP? Or are you saying God recommends WINE in place of trusting In HIM when our hearts are heavy.

Just read the Psalms and the heavy heart of David throughout. I see no scripture in the OT of David depended on alcohol and it's mind numbing effects to deal with issues. However the contrast is, the UNSAVED DO depend on alcohol who is a mocker of God and not to God.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/14


To Bro. Strongaxe,actually, I have seen the Feds. Come in my neighborhood shut down a marijuana"medicine" shop! IN broad day so everybody could see!
They open back up maybe a,month later.little more low-key but, open.
Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 5/4/14


kathr4453:

Exactly! "forbidden/allowed by the state" is no criterion for determining whether God allows something.


Gordon:

You wrote: StrongAxe, In GOD's view, Marijuana is illicit...

Please state chapter and verse where God prohibits marijuana (or ANY plant he created, other than the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil).

Alcohol also removes inhibitions - yet even though drukenness (open lack of self control) is always condemned, sometimes the Bible RECOMMENDS alcohol. Wine for Timothy's upset stomach. Prov 31:4 says wine and strong drink are not for kings or princes, BUT 31:6 recommends wine for heavy hearts and strong drink for those about to perish. Would God recommend anything illicit?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/14


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I do not like marijuana and do not advocate it. If used for medicinal purposes and by prescription of a physician only and for a problem that has been medically proven to benefit from it--then that is fine. i.e. cancer victims that lose their appetite and are hurting, I have heard the marijuana can help them eat.
---judy on 5/3/14


StrongAxe, In GOD's view, Marijuana is illicit.

It's against HIS Laws or ways of doing things.

The use of illicit drugs causes one to lose control of their faculties to some degree and as Followers of GOD we are to maintain "self-control" and not allow something other than GOD's Spirit to control us.

Recreational drugs and illicit drugs are controlling,
and their use opens the doors to demonic oppression and infiltration.
---Gordon on 5/3/14


Strong axe, prostitution and abortions are also legal in some cities, states etc. that does not make it right. GA now has passed a law that anyone can carry a gun anywhere anytime. So now we have grown men openly carrying assault weapons in children's parks and playgrounds walking around openly with their guns, just because they can. Oh but you say guns don't kill, people do. Yes, that's correct, as man is becoming more and more evil we are going Back to the wild Wild West days.

Great article on Gotquestions concerning this subject....so those who have "the mind of Christ" will understand.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/14


Elena9555:

This makes it a murky issue: when state law says it's legal, and federal law says it's illegal.

Now, the constitution specifically says that all powers not explicitly delegated to the federal government belong to the states - so, technically, since food and drugs are not mentioned as federal powers, these should be state issues.

I'm not sure what legal fiction is used to allow the federal government to claim jurisdiction in these areas. (If they involve interstate transport, sure, but not if they are locally grown and ocnsumed in the same state).
---StrongAxe on 5/3/14


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Put your swords away. Just share the Gospel. If a believer knows who they are in Christ Jesus I don't think they would have a desire to do evil to anyone. So don't hate, Jesus never hated even after he did miracles in some towns people just kept on live their life got what they wanted and that was it.
---Bryan on 5/2/14


Gordon:

You wrote:

Illicit drugs, like Marijuana, fall into the category of Sorcery.

"illicit" means "against the law". Marijuana was once legal, then became illegal for a long time. Now it's legal for medicinal use in several states, making it no more illicit than insulin (and, in some, like Colorado, it's legal for recreational use, making it no more illicit than alcohol).

Does God's definition of what constitutes sorcery depend on the caprices of man-made legislation?
---StrongAxe on 5/3/14


Gordon you say "Illicit drugs, like Marijuana, fall into the category of Sorcery." It is the use to which we put something which determines whether it is of God or the devil. GOD Himself created ALL plants. Some people choose to use certain plants in ways which harm - some use them for good. The plant itself is not the problem - it is the person's choice of how they use it which makes it a problem (sinful or illegal).

What God has created we should NEVER call wrong or bad. Good uses are constantly being found for drugs which, at one time, we knew little about - except their harmful effects.

In time many medicinal uses will be found for other (now) illegal drugs and that can only be a GOOD thing and a GODLY thing.
---Rita_H on 5/3/14


Another problem is the federal goverment anytime they wish have authority to arrest, desist and decease the sales and operation, they
Can come and shut it down. It is illegal according, to federal law.
The owners can be arrested.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/3/14


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Hi Elena....thank you for sharing that. What a blessing. The Lord is so wonderful isn't He?

Vinegar mixed with gall....the gall was a drug offered before crucifixion to ease the pain. Jesus refused it.

Jacob, after wrestling with The Lord had a broken hip, and was crippled the rest of his life, surely in pain as he walked with a staff, and wasn't carried everywhere. I see no scripture even suggesting he partook in any herbs to ease his affliction.

Our consciences have been purged by the blood,of Jesus from dead works to serve the Living God.....body soul and spirit.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/14


Pharmakeia = Witchcraft, Magick, Sorcery, Enchantment.
It is also where the English get the word "Pharmacy".
Illicit drugs, like Marijuana, fall into the category of Sorcery.
---Gordon on 5/2/14


It's a medical marijuana shop. I don't get how it's a whole lot different than a Pharmacy. They have strict regulations on what they can and can't do and sell. Plus it's legal there so it's not like they are breaking the law. Are you going to condem a Christian for having tattoos also? It's the same argument. Most illegal drugs were originally used for medical reasons and only got out of control when people used them in a incorrect way. The same happens with aspirin and many other "doctor prescribed drugs".
---Cammi_Dawn on 5/2/14


When I have a bad attack of gout, I need to take an Indocin (generic name indomethacin).

One of its side effects is making me loopy and dizzy.

And when it does that I know it's working, so I go to bed.

As far as PHARMAKEIA, the same word can have different meanings in different contexts. What is one word in Koine Greek is several different words in contemporary English.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/2/14


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candice:

Just where do we draw the line at what Christians can and can't do? Can they open a restaurant that serves burgers and fries? Many more people die every year from high cholesterol than from pot. Can they open a food store that sells bread? White bread has most of its nutrients bleached out of it.

We are so quick to judge things that push our pet buttons without objectively applying equal judgment to other things equally harmful.

(And no, I have never used pot, and don't advocate it's use).
---StrongAxe on 5/2/14


Wow! Sis.Katr4453,all respect you got
my mind think'bk when I got pregnant my daughter, they told me, in India, They'd tell me Quick ,In USA "you have cancer" here, He he said I can't (never divulge anything, so sick, could hardly, sleep, or walk by 9 mo.long story, short I refuse that chemo..now, they just hurry too much. She is 40.My twin too, had cancer & got saved, she was a very lovely woman,beautifull,God spar her life..She lived to be in her mid 30's.
Thankyou,

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/1/14


You gave your opinion. OK. You stick to yours and I will stick to mine. OK Is that OK with you, or must we all agree with your conscience?
---kathr4453 on 5/1/14

But you profess to teach others about Christianity. Were your answers your own opinions or were they based on Scripture?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/1/14


Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Only in the washed down Gospel of America would this take place having a washed down, peace love dove, judge not, live and let live mentality so many have today....anything goes!
---kathr4453 on 5/1/14

But are you grieving the HS inside you?

Eph. 4:31-32 "Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you".

This is how you honor God in your body. Not by exercise and food. Remember, what goes into a man does not defile him but rather what comes out.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/1/14


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A true Chrisitan wouldnt open a pot shop not like you described especially when God tells us our bodies are the temple, and we shouldnt put anything harmful in them. thi couple got the wrong advice, & it wasn't God speaking.
---candice on 5/1/14


Colossians 1:27-29

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

obviously Mark_Eaton you are either not aware or you have a different interpretation???? I guess you could claim this means something else, but I KNOW it does not.

Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Only in the washed down Gospel of America would this take place having a washed down, peace love dove, judge not, live and let live mentality so many have today....anything goes!
---kathr4453 on 5/1/14


Mark_Eaton, this is a forum where a question was asked. I answered this question according to my conscience and Christ in me. I took a stand and gave why I believe as I do. What is this country coming to when no one can say anything anymore? So you say I'm what??, politically incorrect?? I don't care.

You gave your opinion. OK. You stick to yours and I will stick to mine. OK Is that OK with you, or must we all agree with your conscience?

WE DON"T NEED PROPS to spread the Gospel. The ONLY PROP Jesus had was an old rugged cross, not a gimmick!
---kathr4453 on 5/1/14


we need to take a stand against those who say, GOD TOLD ME to do this or that when it comes to such areas.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/14

Please show BCV where God tells you to do this.

When we make up our own laws, we get out of relationship with others.

Our relationship to others is the second great commandment Jesus gave to us.

2 Cor. 11:3-4 "But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/1/14


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Everything the world can offer you is second best to what was given to us by the word of God "Jesus". But you can put your faith in either one, the worlds system or Jesus. One tries to control you the other will set you free.
---Bryan on 4/26/14


So Bryan is a double minded man ?? Bryan, you just don't know the difference between being judgmental, and having discernment. So by your accusations, YOU have exercised judgment and made false accusations based on lack of discernment. I however was exercising discernment. And I thank The Lord everyday I have discernment.

I'm sorry some of you don't know the difference between the two. I guess you condemn the moderator as well???
---kathr4453 on 5/1/14


I had a friend years ago , a Christian, who got cancer and found out she was expecting. Her 2nd child. The dr wanted her to get an abortion and go through all the radiation chemo etc. she refused. She took NO DRUGS for the 9 months, wasted away in horrible pain, not wanting ANY drugs to affect the baby she was carrying. She gave birth to a PERFECT HEALTHY daughter, and died just a couple hours after giving birth. That is a true testimony to The Lord, and He brought her through to the end and showed her her perfect daughter before she died.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/14


Your religions condemn all. You have no grace no mmercy. You have judgment and condemnation. Jesus die to save not condemn people. When you share the Gospel people get set free. I can tell you share man made religion by condemnning people. Jesus is the judge. He told use share the Gospel not condemn.
---Bryan on 4/30/14


Your sentiment is that we must defend the church against such people and such testimony. ///

Mark_Eaton, Whether it's sentiment or not, as that is opinion, is that we need to take a stand against those who say, GOD TOLD ME to do this or that when it comes to such areas. How do YOU know God told them????

Because these people could not make ends meet, or so they say on SS is WHY God just happened to tell these people to do this? Seriously? And their owing over $800,000 to the IRS, is also God? Do these other "dispensaries" pay their taxes?

What makes these people SO SPECIAL that God cares about making their ends meet and not EVERY Christian who is unemployed, lost their home, etc and homeless Christians???
---kathr4453 on 4/30/14


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.here in Detroit.People here have made the whole thing a real abberation.'talking public health worker,it taken the whole thing way out of context.
the doctors told me, here it is an epidemic.(after leaving the cancer unit).patients sell their meds. Or robbed.in front of clinic, dr' told me. I prayed, alot.
it took me 7 months to get a pain pill, and yes, I was patient, prayerfull.
I refuse really strong meds. Like vicodin, etc..
Not worth getting hurt over.That where I am coming from weed or pot here, they are going to get out of proportion, a patient would have to stay away from people, not to be harrass and that was my point.
It a matter of safety and be carefull not get pushed to hype to stronger drugs.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 4/30/14


Rita H I agree, here's the thing StrongAxe as well. God said WE are not to do anything that could make a weaker brother or sister stumble. SOOO with that said, and this being an issue where many Christians are divided, God KNOWING so, would NEVER tell anyone to do something He tells us not to do. God is not double minded.

The 60-70's were my teen and 20 years so I lived among that whole mess.

Now there are places, and one in the UK who are actually making medicine from pot. I believe this is good. So I have no problem with medications, as I said the real value in this plant is not the part that gets you high.

AND small children who have cancer etc should not be SMOKING it anyway.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/14


I'm sorry but YES, it does hurt the testimony of the Church.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/14

I must disagree. Not against your statement but against your sentiment.

Your sentiment is that we must defend the church against such people and such testimony.

Jesus told us long ago that the world is against Him and us (BOC). Jesus never told us to struggle to change the world or to defend His church. Rather, He told us through the Apostles Epistles to submit to the authorities of the world and to demonstrate His love to the world, through our love for God and our love for one another.

Christians taking pot-shots at this couple hurts the church more than this couple does.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/30/14


The Greek word pharmakeia,translated "sorcery"literally means to administer drugs .

God will not be mocked.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/14


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I am truly amazed StrongAxe at your comments.

Firstly, Revelation tells us in the last days the wrath of God will come on all those who practice Sorcery among other things. We see everyday in our commercials "drug pushing" ...we are a DRUG ADDICTED Society. "Feel sad"..take this..."feel un-motivated".. take this. Want to feel this...Take this. And people today, rather than leaning on God by FAITH need to lean on FEELINGS and drugs (not all) are the answer to FEELINGS. THE FLESH IS WHERE FEELINGS COME FROM.

Enough Already!
---kathr453 on 4/30/14


In the NEWS:

In March, a 19-year-old student died after jumping from a balcony, friends said he had eaten an entire cookie containing 65 mg of THC, despite the fact that the store clerk at the marijuana shop where the edible was purchased advised cutting the cookie into six pieces and eating one piece at a time.

And earlier this month, a Denver man was arrested after police said he ate marijuana-infused candy before shooting his wife to death.
---Laura on 4/30/14


kathr4453:

While it's true that "Pharmacy" is derived from the Greek "pharmakia" (Sorcery), this does not mean the two words have the same meaning. Saying "sorcery" means "mind-altering drugs" is pure conjecture. (In fact, there are many pharmaceuticals that treat mental illnesses like schizophrenia - and these are clearly "mind-altering" - in a good way).

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: ... enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, ... and things like these...

THESE of things are in great abundance on these blogs. Perhaps we should all clean our own house first, before trying to clean everyone else's...
---StrongAxe on 4/30/14


Kathr - Recently I had a recurring dream, over many weeks, in which I was asked to give my testimony in a Sunday service. Weeks went by and it didn't happen. About 8 weeks later I had a conversation with a stranger on a bus. I mentioned which church I attended and discovered that he was to be our visiting preacher 9 days later. He asked me if I'd give my testimony on that day. That was within 15 minutes of meeting him.

I believe those dreams were a preparation for that day.

Opening a 'pot shop' is a different matter of course and only the couple themselves are in the position to explain HOW they believed God spoke to THEM on this issue.

God speaks to us in many ways but it will always be 'consistent' with scripture.
---Rita_H on 4/30/14


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I don't know how God talks to you, but He always talks to me through His Word. So this idea that one says, "God told me to do this or that" should be questioned. God told someone to kill an abortion Dr. and blow up an abortion clinic. God told Jim Jones to start a commune, and then God told Jim Jones to tell people to kill themselves. God told Ralph to divorce his wife and marry his girlfriend...and on and on.

This isn't the God of Scripture. I'm sorry but YES, it does hurt the testimony of the Church.

The actual substance that is beneficial has to be extracted, not smoked
---kathr4453 on 4/29/14


that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)
---kathr4453 on 4/28/14

Is selling such things "practicing" them?

If so, anyone involved in the sale of alcohol (drunkenness) can be judged as practicing such things. Even down to the truck driver who delivers it.

Using this gauge, you can see that legalism is a slippery slope. This is why we must judge only our own conduct against the standard that is Jesus.

Why are we so sensitive to this incident? Does the couple saying they are Christians really affect us negatively? If it does, then our witness for Christ is weak.
---Mark_Eaton on 4/29/14


Yes the deeds of the flesh are evident. But what is the purpose of judging and condemning. Do you think that will turn them to righteous of God? God does not judge & condemn people to salvation. Goodness of God leads to salvation.
---Bryan on 4/29/14


Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

The word sorcery means mind altering drugs.... Pharmacy.

Judge righteous judgement...it's ok.
---kathr4453 on 4/28/14


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Two things jump to mind by this story:

Rom. 14:4 "Who are you to judge anothers servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand".

Who am I to say what is permissible for another believer? Anything I say is legalism.

Rom 14:14 "I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself, but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean"

This issue is the same as alcohol or prescriptions. Any substance that can make us drunk. Avoid being drunk but what about the equivalent to a glass of wine?
---Mark_Eaton on 4/28/14


I failed to make clear in my comment below that I believe that these substances should be available by prescription only. That is the correct way and will prevent those who are not considered suitable patients for a particular drug to not get it (legally anyway) and it also means that the person's own physician will be aware that his/her patient takes it and will be able stop prescribing something else with which there could be contra-indications.
---Rita_H on 4/27/14


\\I don't believe for a minute that God told these people to open such a thing. \\

But we're supposed to believe it if you say that God talked to you, right?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/27/14


Amen.Bro.Bryan certainly, agree, post
4/27/14
You are exactly, right.Many times, have kept things in my heart /saw, witness' respectfully, yes, I can understand one particular..
I had sent to CNT, because yes, I know it' the truth / realize Cnt- great responsibility...
not everything expedient, nor conveinient,still
I do have alot of respect for the moderators.Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 4/27/14


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Kathr4453, you made my day! I agree that's all, I see,mom's strung out! baby in tow, another one on the way.. then the danger these people may open them selves up to some real dangerous people if you all get
my drift! deal with more than they bargained for..

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 4/27/14


Alcohol was once legal ... then illegal... then legal. Nicotine is a drug.

Caffeine is a drug. Huge problem.

We are encouraged to do what is expedient. Being lawful may be different in a lot of cases to us than it is jesus. Matthew 5:22.
---aka on 4/27/14


I know a lot of christain that do evil things. For their self desires. How about King David, did he not have the captain of his army killed just to have his wife? Peter cut a man's ear off right infront of Jesus. Yes christain do evil when they desire their on way.Their are leaders in the churches now that do evil by not sharing the Gospel. That is the greateat evil of all.
---Bryan on 4/27/14


First of all Steveng, please give names and business name of this supposed Christian couple. Otherwise I think you just made this up. You seem to dig to the bottom of the barrel for stories and use the word Christian.

How do you know they are Christians? I would like to contact them and see if they really are Christians. Or if they think Christian means someone who is not a Jew or Islam.

Better yet, Steveng, what is YOUR definition of a Christian?
---kathr4453 on 4/26/14


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Yea, I just looked this up.... What a mess. The guy looks like he's been a stoner for years. And yes, I remember the 60-70 when the stoners and acid heads believed they could talk to God.

Strongaxe, drugs open a person up to witchcraft and demonic activity. Medical pot should be by prescription only. Now mothers are smoking it and caring for their children stoned.

Can you find any scripture backing this?
---kathr4453 on 4/26/14


I will probably be unpopular for my feelings on this but God is the maker and designer of EVERY plant on this earth. He made every one of them for a reason and wants us to use them for the benefits they hold for mankind.

Just because some people's use of certain plants caused many to be designated as illegal does not mean they don't have a proper (Godly) use.

God's intention is for all His creation to be used for man's good. Doctor's have found the 'good' use for many of these substances so - used that way - I think we should embrace their use and give thanks to God for them, keeping them illegal for all other uses.
---Rita_H on 4/26/14


I don't believe for a minute that God told these people to open such a thing. There are so many self-proclaimed prophets and teachers around today. So many are always looking for signs and wonders instead of looking for Jesus' return.
---KarenD on 4/26/14


--StrongAxe on 4/26/14 Amen.
---Josef on 4/26/14


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Everything the world can offer you is second best to what was given to us by the word of God "Jesus". But you can put your faith in either one, the worlds system or Jesus. One tries to control you the other will set you free.
---Bryan on 4/26/14


StrongAxe: Moderator is right. Believe not every spirit is what the Bible teaches us. God created us for His pleasure , ours is to do His will (not our pleasure) . The man the blog refers to: is he a Doctor that can correctly judge who needs his drug & what measure is needed?
---Adetunji on 4/26/14


Moderator:

What is wrong with medical marijuana? There are certain medical conditions for which marijuana happens to be a very effective treatment - just as there are certain conditions for which morphine, or other powerful drugs are best.

There is a common puritanical mind set that thinks "anything that can be in any way pleasurable must therefore be necessarily evil", which has often been embraced by the church - that takes Christian temperance to an unhealthy extreme, even denying Jesus's promise to let us live Life more abundantly.

Remember - who created the marijuana plant? God? or Satan? God must have created it for a reason.
---StrongAxe on 4/26/14


I have been told that oddly enough, the best medicine for glaucoma is THC, the active ingredient in marijuana.

I don't really know enough about the risks vs. benefits of medical marijuana, other than anecdotes on the news, so I do not hold a moral opinion.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 4/26/14


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Wow! I just saw this and yes, I got a big issue with it.I do not believe in relish drugs, my main prayers have been help people stay off drugs..yes, truthfully, have seen and known people with cancer, aids, some using medical marijuana...my issue honestly, I have an issue with it, because sad to say, and most here
know I, too have cancer..they want to have med.marijuana but, they still want pills, and on and on..
To me, this is not good because of the people "selling their meds" ..it hurt me.
I had to wait and be " investigated" which no trouesble, I would never sell my meds. I SUFFER A LONG TIME.
God knows..this is not right.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 4/25/14


Don't be a don't bee.

Do be a doobie.
---aka on 4/25/14


"Your thoughts?" To each his own.
---Josef on 4/25/14


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