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Charismatic Movement

There is a charismatic thing going on in the U.S. How many are familiar with this movement. It started back in the 60's. I saw a video communion and they were passing around a bottle of wine and muffins. They had worked themselves into to a frenzy and it was obvious the preacher was drunk.

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Cluny, don't call me prideful especially since we know how you post. I was stating a fact and it didn't come from anything close to pride. You of all people should know dead or alive. Dead churches are full just waiting to be entertained.
---shira4368 on 5/18/14


Cluny don't call Shira a liar thats what you did when you said you don't believe her. She isn't being prideful just sensitive to the Holy Spirit's presence or lack there of in a place. She is telling you a fact,I agree,just because you can't sense it doesn't mean no one else can. The Bible tells us to try the Spirits and if we aren't in tune with God and the Holy Spirit we couldn't do that. If we are in tune then we can know what spirit is in operation in any church or any place else we go to. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/18/14


Darlene1 really like your
posts 5/16/12 drive home a valid point,if those folks are slithering on the floor,doesn't go with I have seen how God spirit moves..
very aware...the spirit of the Lord doesn't act unseemly..yes,got to be a cult.Somebody a saved friend said now most kids know whst or whom real? & they know who acting out..
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/18/14


Darlene, my son attended a similar charismatic church to the one you mention. It was run by a husband and wife and quite a number of other close relatives. That, in itself, did not seem right but when I heard just how much this family ruled the lives of the members I was really worried. It became a dictatorship and, I am pleased to say, that my son left. If still know several who attend there but know MANY who left when it became more like a cult.
---Rita_H on 5/18/14


\\Cluny, when I walk in any church, I can tell you if it's dead or alive. You should be able to do the same thing if you are saved.
---shira4368 on 5/18/14
\\

Frankly, shira, I don't believe that you can do such a thing.

If YOU were saved, you wouldn't make such prideful statements.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/14




Hello,here now,I have met a man not a believer,seen how his whole family embraced the carismatic pentecostal
experience,he was he's angry.he feels
angry.They were hurt his parents changing , they are dead.Well, it has affect the way he views God.His family was strict roman catholic before meet the charismatic.people.
Love of Jesus!
Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 5/18/14


Cluny, when I walk in any church, I can tell you if it's dead or alive. You should be able to do the same thing if you are saved.
---shira4368 on 5/18/14


Steveng, has your worldly denominational church ever taught you about the blind man that Jesus had to touch twice before he could see properly?

That was a 2 stage miracle. It didn't happen all at once.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/14


Shira thank you,I'm glad you know I attend a different kind. I know what you mean about not watching. My friends went to a revival in a strange church when the preacher was leading worship people got down on the floor on their bellies like snakes slithered around. My friends got out of there fast. Yes it sounded like a Cult. I attended a Charismatic church for a while and I didn't like that there was total control by the Pastor and his wife and they were the only ones who could minister in areas where usually proven Christians minister too. Also Charismatic is different in their views of the Holy Ghost. It all comes down to knowing the Word and rightly dividing the Word,and being careful where we go. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/16/14


\\The poser of God works through people - even through Jesus.\\

But Jesus is not a mere human being.

And you have not shown any universes that you have made, Steveng.

If you read the Biblical (as opposed to the cinematic) account of the crossing of the Red Sea, it took a wind to blow all night to part the sea. God did not part it immediately.

Or maybe you don't consider parting the Sea a miracle, in your worldly logic taught by the denominational Church of Steveng.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/14




Kathy on 5/15/14 Stevenq on 5/5/14
"Show me in the Bible where a miracle took days or longer".

Kathy wrote: John 11:39-44

Kathy, the person was dead for four days, it doesn't say Jesus heal him four days earlier.

Most people had diseases their entire lives, but were immediately healed. The dead man died four days before Jesus commanded the man to awake - and the man awoke quickly.
---Steveng on 5/15/14


Cluny on 5/15/14: "\\Stevenq on 5/5/14
"Show me in the Bible where a miracle took days or longer".\\

According to Genesis 1, creating the physical universe was a miracle that took the better part of a week.


I don't usually answer your silly, worldly logic, but in this case, I'll make an exception to make you out a fool.

First, creation was not a miracle.

Second, everything God created was at the time he spoke it into existance. It didn't take weeks, months or years.

Cluny on 5/15/14: "How many universes can you create, Steveng?"

Why do you mock the power of God? The poser of God works through people - even through Jesus.
---Steveng on 5/15/14


\\Stevenq on 5/5/14
"Show me in the Bible where a miracle took days or longer".\\

According to Genesis 1, creating the physical universe was a miracle that took the better part of a week.

How many universes can you create, Steveng?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/14


Darlene, I know what I saw is a cult but it does exist. I do understand it isn't the same as yours. when I saw the video I nearly died looking at it.
---shira4368 on 5/15/14


Hello Cluny

Sola Scriptoria is the teaching that all truth must agree with Scripture. That Scripture truth is found by comparing scripture with scripture. It is not that everything comes from Scripture.

For instance you and I both believe in the Trinity. A word not found in scripture. But we agree that concept is in the Bible and it is a true teaching.

We both agree that the pretribulation rapture is not a true teaching because the Bible does not back up that doctrine.

So I do not see a difference between Scripture first a term I have never really heard used before and Sola Scriptoria.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/14


Stevenq on 5/5/14
"Show me in the Bible where a miracle took days or longer".

John 11:39-44
---Kathy on 5/15/14


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Shira that is totally not what Charismatics do in church or at least not the ones I know of. They hold many of the same beliefs as regular Pentecostals and they are against the type behavior you saw. Anyone can call themselves anything but does their behavior line up with the Word. If it doesn't then they aren't what they claim to be or God wants His people to be. There are fanatics in many religions and most of it comes from ignorance of the Word of God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/15/14


//I think it is vital to every believer in Christ to be in intimate contact with other believers, especially to pray and learn. Our knowledge should be developed with the input of other mature believers.//

Exactly.

An aspect of a "charismatic thing" is that it challenges the "sola scripture" concept. For example, there is a movement that started in Kansas City, IHOP, that claims to have "prophecies" from God. Consequently, scripture becomes less important, and experiencing God becomes more important. Even many evangelicals claim to hear God's voice. Most pastors claim that God "gave them" the message for the week.
---Rod4Him on 5/15/14


//Thoughout the Bible, especially the NT, it says there is MORE than what is written down.//

Dear Cluny,
If there is more then what is written as Jesus said, how do you know what that was without the Bible telling you? You have to make things up and then say that is what was not written. The make up stories not written have to come from man, sinful man at that, and not God.
The Bible is the only truth we have. Agape
---Luke on 5/15/14


1 Corinthians 4:17 "For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church."

Apparently the Corinthians had no written 'scripture' to go "Sola" by.
---Nana on 5/14/14


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Scripture First is NOT the same thing as Sola Scriptura, Samuel.

Thoughout the Bible, especially the NT, it says there is MORE than what is written down.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


Luke good point. Denominations or different man made religions. People that follow them will defend them to the point of calling Jesus a liar. Just to defend theit denomaination. Sharing the Gospel will always tear down those walls and set believers free. Some believers are never taught the power of the word. Are how they can share the Gospel without judgment & confemnation. It is not for us to judge or condemn with, but to share the love of God .
---Bryan on 5/14/14


But that is very hard for many to do since they really defend their denomination first...
---Luke on 5/14/14

Denominations are separations based upon beliefs. Therefore, if we defend our denomination we are defending their beliefs.

We defend our beliefs out of pride. I am not talking about defending the faith or 1 Pet 3:15. I am talking about defending our beliefs with other believers.

Why is it so difficult for us to say "I do not know", or "I may be wrong"? Especially to our brethren?

I think it is vital to every believer in Christ to be in intimate contact with other believers, especially to pray and learn. Our knowledge should be developed with the input of other mature believers.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/14/14


**The Orthodox and the Roman Catholic stopped following the Bible first and replaced tradition as being their primary rule. **

Only those who know nothing about Orthodoxy would say that, Samuel.

Cluny

You have told me many times that Sola Scriptoria or putting the Bible as the Final authority above all else is a false doctrine. Have you changed your mind?

Do the RCC and Orthodox churches now accept Sola Scriptoria as the true way to decide all doctrines?
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/14


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Dear Mark,
I have also asked for those who answer to answer the question blog, and not get personal when they answer. But that is very hard for many to do since they really defend their denomination first. And when they do that, the truth is lost, it just disappears completely from the answers. Seventh Day Adventist against Roman Catholics, and Orthodox against protestants, charismatics against non-charismatics. One is the true church and the other isn't.
It is sad it has to come to that so many times, but that is what happens when you have an open forum, people from all kinds of different teachings. Agape
---Luke on 5/14/14


\\He even knows which churches are spiritual.
---shira4368 on 5/10/14\\

And you don't think that YOU know, shira?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


Amen Michael many just go along with a Pastor or Evangelist and never any try to read the Bible and check the answers.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/13/14


It's tempting to save time studying the context by grabbing a verse that appears to solve our immediate problem from the Bible out of context.
If you don't understand the bigger picture, you may make a wrong turn. perhaps you have the wrong map.
Many errors and wrong doctrines exist by people who think they are right. They come from a failure to rightly divide the word of truth.
People believe wrong doctrine for the same reasons people get lost. They don't see the big picture, and it's hard to admit you dont know where you are going.
When youre lost, buy a map and take time to study it. When you are confused about Gods will, and need some answers, take some time studying it rightly divided.
2 Tim 2:15
---michael_e on 5/12/14


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If you want to be charismatic over God's Word don't let anybody stop you. Don't let religions of men get in your away just love them with the word. Religions forget the power is in the word. That word "Jesus" is in side of us waiting to be shared with people believers and unbelievers. Charismatic tend to do that more than religious folks share the Gospel.
---Bryan on 5/12/14


Thanks Cluny, that must have been very annoying to say the least. When that happened to me, years ago, (on a different website) I added 'the 1st' to my username until I'd thought of a different one.
---Rita_H on 5/12/14


\\One more question for you - did you use the name JACK here several years ago? Maybe you can manage to answer that one with no sarcasm. Just a 'yes' or a 'no' will suffice.
---Rita_H on 5/12/14\\

Yes, I did, but then someone else started using it.

**The Orthodox and the Roman Catholic stopped following the Bible first and replaced tradition as being their primary rule. **

Only those who know nothing about Orthodoxy would say that, Samuel.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/14


No Cluny, I did not get it and that is why I asked "Cluny what do you mean by orthodox?"

There is a clue in my words there - that clue tells you that I am asking BECAUSE I didn't know (or to put it in your sarcastic words 'I didn't get it').

There are many things that I don't know and that is why I try to find out BY ASKING.

One more question for you - did you use the name JACK here several years ago? Maybe you can manage to answer that one with no sarcasm. Just a 'yes' or a 'no' will suffice.
---Rita_H on 5/12/14


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Well Cluny I believe that some of the other churches you say Seventh day Adventist are just alike would take umbrage at that remark. Also Roman Catholics would be wrong but they say they are the original and you are the offshoot.

Secondly SDA were a combination of Methodist, Congregationalist, Baptist and some other churches.

Finally one point all Protestants do agree on. The Orthodox and the Roman Catholic stopped following the Bible first and replaced tradition as being their primary rule.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/14


That's why I say that Baptists, SDA, Protestants, and Roman Catholics are all alike,
---Cluny on 5/11/14

They have made their own measuring rod to judge whether or not other churches are 'spiritual' enough for them to wish to attend.
---Rita_H on 5/10/14

Can we please stop bashing other brothers and sisters in Christ?

Have we not read where arrogance and haughtiness have no place in God?

Are we not called to unity, one God, one Spirit, one Lord, one body?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/12/14


\\Cluny what do you mean by Orthodox? I also don't know what you mean by Vespers. Have you always been a Roman Catholic?\\

You don't get it, do you?

I've NEVER been a Roman Catholic. (Say that 3 times.)

I'm ORTHODOX--the Church that Roman Catholics broke from.

And, of course, Protestants broke from them. That's why I say that Baptists, SDA, Protestants, and Roman Catholics are all alike, They all share the same assumptions and ask the same questions.

Vespers is the daily evening service, though generally held daily only in monasteries and cathedrals.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


Cluny what do you mean by Orthodox? I also don't know what you mean by Vespers. Have you always been a Roman Catholic?
---Rita_H on 5/11/14


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The charisma - tics use their self carnal fleshly charisma to make them tic, God has NOTHING to do with it. That light for such came from here 2nd. Cor. 11 v 14. The Same for the other trinity apostates.
---lawrence on 5/11/14


I became a born again charismatic nearly 50 years ago in an Anglican church that had become charismatic on the side. Services were held in a hall beside the church and on Sundays the church was so full they had to queue up outside to get in.
I could fill up a book with the miracles that has happened in my life over the years and in the lives of people I've prayed for
---malvina on 5/11/14


Dear Cluny,
It is obvious that you attended one church and now you are convinced everyone is like that and that only the one you attend is correct. Sure, many churches are doing the wrong thing, but so is yours. Rita's opinion was a good one. You did not give your opinion, you tried to embarrass Rita's, instead of answering the blog question. Why do you do that? What makes your church the only right church? Where is the love of Christ? Is that the way you were taught at your church? You are suppose to be kind? Loving if you are saved. Agape
---Luke on 5/11/14


\\The sermon is an integral part of the teaching of the church. Do you not have a sermon in your church?\\

Not at every service, such as Vespers.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


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"And you think that listening to sermons is worship?" No I do not Cluny and nowhere have I indicated that it is nor have I seen others saying that it is either, so why do you ask?

The sermon is an integral part of the teaching of the church. Do you not have a sermon in your church?

"They have made their own measuring rod to judge whether or not other churches are 'spiritual' enough for them to wish to attend. You never do that, do you, Rita?"

NO CLUNY I DO NOT and I am so glad that you appreciate that fact.
---Rita_H on 5/10/14


\\\\They refer to this music as WORSHIP whilst, for many, it is obviously ENTERTAINMENT\\\\

In the last Baptist church with which I was associated (I was organist), the Children's Church movement had started.

They would meet during the morning service for puppet shows and the like. The leader might call a big fuzzy blob Verse Varmint, but the children knew he was really Cookie Monster.

Anyway, I wondered how this would affect Protestant/Evangelical worship 20 years later.

Now we see. It's what one person called "liturtainment."

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


Church-going including reading,singing,praying,listening to sermons is not worship!The real worship is to show your belief with your good deeds,for the belief without good deeds is dead(James 2:14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?)
---lovepay217 on 5/10/14


Rita, sweet lady, please ignore cluny. He does this to everyone. He does get crossed up with some of us on christianet because he comes across as knowing everything about everything. He even knows which churches are spiritual.
---shira4368 on 5/10/14


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\\They refer to this music as WORSHIP whilst, for many, it is obviously ENTERTAINMENT\\

And you think that listening to sermons is worship?

\\They have made their own measuring rod to judge whether or not other churches are 'spiritual' enough for them to wish to attend.\\

You never do that, do you, Rita?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


"Sometimes more music is added to keep the people pumped up, by sacrificing the time for the word of God." How true Luke.

Most charismatic churches fill up their meeting times with more music than prayer, bible readings or hearing God's Word. They refer to this music as WORSHIP whilst, for many, it is obviously ENTERTAINMENT.

Sadly, many will say that the lack of these things in other churches shows that these other churches 'lack the spirit'. They have made their own measuring rod to judge whether or not other churches are 'spiritual' enough for them to wish to attend.

This shallow opinion is not held by all charismatics of course.
---Rita_H on 5/10/14


Dear Bryan,
I do not try to control anyone. It is impossible. Only God controls everyone. Only He changes hearts. I do not change anyone heart.
If you have everything when you were saved, how can anyone change what you believe? If you are a child of God, can you become and child of satan? Impossible. Once you are saved, you have Christ. And Christ will never leave nor forsake you every again. Agape
---Luke on 5/10/14


Luke I see your truth. You try to control what people believe. You say you can't believe this or that, there is your glitches in your religion. What you can and can not believe. God is not in fear of us using the word for evil or the wrong way, as you think. His word is perfect. It will bless you or condemn you and fruit will be how you sow it.
---Bryan on 5/9/14


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Sisters & Brothers, all respect,we all should be happy, we have physical pain but, our mind, heart, etc belong to the Lord. Good post!
Sis. Rita, you got my vote smiles.. also, studied french, etc.. It water over the bridge.I was in junior high ha! ha!

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/9/14


Thank you Cluny. I did know what you intended to say as I studied French but was extremely surprised at you (of all people here) making such a 'faux pas'.

Faux pas is probably not the best translation for what I mean to say either but those lessons were 60 years ago. I've slept since then!!
---Rita_H on 5/9/14


Dear Rita,
You are correct. I believe people want to get emotional. They get joyful by getting emotional. If they don't get emotional, they do not feel spiritual. Then, they become bored. Sometimes more music is added to keep the people pumped up, by sacrificing the time for the word of God.
Christians should already be joyful and happy. They should be jumping for joy everyday, happy that Christ is in their hearts. And want to tell the whole world about Jesus. Jesus should be creating joy in us everyday. Agape
---Luke on 5/9/14


\\"N'ect pas?" What does that mean Cluny and which language is it meant to be?
---Rita_H on 5/7/14\\

Badly spelled French.

It means, "Is it not?"

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/14


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Luke, I am very familiar with some charismatic churches but what I described is not the norm. I understand some speak in tongues which I don't believe but I have some sweet friends who go to such a church. I'm not describing the normal Pentecostal church I'm talking about a whole movement.
---shira4368 on 5/8/14


Bro. Like, all respect, you are right, I think one of the nicest church wish I could have stay but, they stay till 2:00am they are good people and it a catholic Charismatic church, tthey sure showed me lots of christian love.God bless them but I lived alone and scared be out that late in this city. Thankyou great post! Love of Jesus! Elena5999
---Elena9555 on 5/8/14


Dear Shira,
While you are right that many charismatics do some weird things, not all charismatics do the same thing. The movement is huge, and has taken well because of the emotional aspects of the movements gifts of the Spirit. Charismatics are involve in many denominations now, even in the Roman Catholic religion.
There is a rise of a strong charismatic movement within the church. Appearing in many forms, this species of revivalism has one common basic element. It highlights the baptism of the Spirit, which it constures as an experience of power subsequent to salvation and maintains the evidence of this experience is speaking in tongues. Such a phenomenon is called charisma from the from the Greek charisma, a gift.
---Luke on 5/8/14


I did shout on the mountain. I told everyone in church Sunday night. I've been on a spiritual high since I dis-connected the oxygen.
---shira4368 on 5/8/14


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Wow! Shira4368 so, very happy to hear how you have been healed by our Father Almighty.. Praise the Lord! It is a,real blessing, you are truly blessed an highly favor.. Go tell it on the mountains and every where.
A wonderfull testimony.. God is good all the time. :) love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/7/14


Jesus is the same Jesus that rose from the dead over 2 thousand years ago. He has never changed he was the word then and he is the same word today and what he did then he still dose today. He healed people by faith then and still heals people by faith now. He saved people by grace then he still saves then by grace today.
---Bryan on 5/7/14


Elena, Jesus still works miracles. Did I tell you I got a bacteria 4 yrs ago and have really had a battle breathing. I have been on oxygen almost constantly but last Monday a week ago I don't need oxygen anymore. I so elated I can barely stand myself. No answer except God touched my body. I've been praising God all week.
---shira4368 on 5/7/14


To Sis.Rita and Bro.Scott, yes, hear both loud and clear. Amen. Sis.Rita good see you, I remember being in Chicago, they had this charismatic group called "God's Children" they would pop out of look like no where
They seemed weird and dangerous,
I manage get the train, everytime!
They were dangerous, people
had a special on Tv yrs ago.
---Elena9555 on 5/7/14


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It is not the voice of GOD or the Bible that tells people to do what they wanted to do.

It is people who are looking for an excuse and just say certain words. Or use their traditions to replace the Bible.

Some Charismatics use their feelings instead of scripture since the Spirit guides their feelings they do not need to use scripture.

What we are to do. Is go to scripture and follow what the Apostle wrote.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/7/14


So are you say Jesus still does miracle today? Or did he stop?
---Bryan on 5/7/14


"N'ect pas?" What does that mean Cluny and which language is it meant to be?
---Rita_H on 5/7/14


Hello, been take me a while get bk I got a new system here. YES, Shira you know I believe you. THAT WHY I am carefull, where I decide to go to church. Not all of them are seeking tohelp nor worship Christ. GETTING DRUNK IS a mockery at best in the house of God. Yes, I going to look them up but yes, I do believe you.
I went to a church they did not like to pray not read the word.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/7/14


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\\We should be listening to God's voice. When 'man's voice' tells us something inconsistent with scripture we KNOW he is wrong.\\

The odd thing about "God's voice" is that it seems to tell everyone who hears it what is wanted to be heard, even if the messages contradict each other.

N'ect pas?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/6/14


Elena, go to utube and look up a song called "in His time". Listen to the words. Everything is in Gods timing.
---shira4368 on 5/6/14


The term Charismatic Movement means different things to different people. The Toronto Blessing was the first group I heard of and there was Todd Bentley who kicked people in the face with his boots on saying 'that God told him to do it'. Some are not that 'insane' but many don't appear very trustworthy.

We should be listening to God's voice. When 'man's voice' tells us something inconsistent with scripture we KNOW he is wrong.

To some 'charismatic' just refers to those who speak in tongues and tend to believe that 'all should be able to do so'. Scripture does not say we should all do that.
---Rita_H on 5/6/14


For every bad baptist christian their is a good baptist. For every bad charismatic christian their is a good charismatic christian. There are some christians who are truely filled and rightfully lead by the Holy Spirit and some who use the Holy Spirit for personal attention.
---Scott1 on 5/6/14


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\\ Tell me one miracle Jesus did in his resurrected body? \\
---Bryan on 5/5/14


\\ Jesus teleported Himself (for lack of a better word) from Emmaus back to Jeruslem. \\
---Cluny on 5/5/14

I couldn't believe Bryan's challenge, but immediately thought of this incident, too.

He simply appeared, then simply vanished.

If that ain't a miracle....

But to think that He, while in the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), could perform a miracle - but the risen Christ couldn't ???

Yowza, I thought I had heard it all
---James_L on 5/5/14


Elena_5999: "They.prayed for me even.before I knew I had cancer told me it be alright go on.wait on God.

Waiting on God is the biggest deception in christiandom. It was born out of the fact that when a person did not get healed, the leaders would make an excuse that it's in God's time. When God heals, it is at the time of the prayer not sometime in the future. Show me in the bible where a miracle took days or longer?
---Steveng on 5/5/14


elena, Im not stereotyping anyone. I just said there is a movement going on and that surely don't include everyone. we can't deny that is something trying to catch on and it is catching on. the video I saw was several tv preachers in services that were not ever on tv. the preacher was drunk and he kept saying the word drunk. they were all drinking wine and passing it around. they were also passing around rolls and each took a bite of the rolls. no one can make up this stuff, I saw it.
---shira4368 on 5/5/14


\\Tell me one miracle Jesus did in his resurrected body? Cluny
---Bryan on 5/5/14\\

Jesus teleported Himself (for lack of a better word) from Emmaus back to Jeruslem.

He went out of a sealed tomb and in and out of locked doors.

When the Apostles were fishing, they came back to shore and found that Jesus already had fish cleaned and cooked, along with bread to boot!

Will these do for starters?

To continue, aside from the fact that Jesus DID have a physical (but glorified) body, the Holy Spirit is God and needs nothing and nobody. But the notion that spirits need a body to manifest through is called demonic possession and trance channelling.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/14


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Tell me one miracle Jesus did in his resurrected body? Cluny
---Bryan on 5/5/14


Wow! Hello Sis.Shira4368 my friend that' a new one.I been round the carismatics for years .They.prayed for me even.before I knew I had cancer told me it be alright go on.wait on God.They drank a little wine.in.the catholic charismatic but not to.be drunk. I did not take it.
This all I can.tell.you.They are a praying people.I know that.
---Elena_5999 on 5/5/14


I really doubt that he was drunk on alcohol. It was probably mere emotional excitement.

You're projecting your own prejudices onto what you saw.

My complaint about the charismatic movement is the lack of discernment and discretion in it. One charismatic "prophet" actually said that Jesus couldn't perform any miracles after His Resurrection because He didn't have a physical body, and the Holy Spirit needed a physical body through which to manifest.

Those of you who know the rudiments of Christian doctrine can see what is wrong with this, but his hearers (except for me) were eating it up with a spoon!

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/14


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