ChristiaNet MallWorld's Largest Christian MallChristian BlogsFree Bible QuizzesFree Ecards and Free Greeting CardsLoans, Debt, Business and Insurance Articles

When Were Angels Created

On which day of creation were angels created?

Join Our Christian Singles and Take The Angels Bible Quiz
 ---1st_cliff on 5/5/14
     Helpful Blog Vote (3)

Post a New Blog



Joseph, regarding Jeremiah ch.4 where did I say Jerusalem had "been totally destroyed"?
---Warwick on 5/21/14


Because Warwick lies on this subject he should not be the one to go to for any answers....why? because Warwick has shows already a dishonest hand in his previous post.

You also admitted on a previous post that YES, there are many views to this Gap subject...YET "again" and again and again, you post the one and only view YOU present as the official view.

So this argument is not with YEC but only with Warwick and Warwick's brain, that no matter what one says, he answers like a robot, who fails to really READ, what one is saying. Oh but first he begins his dialogue by first insulting the opponent's salvation.

Way to go WARWICK. Not how God works. Only how the FLESH WORKS.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/14


//This belief concerns vast ages and evolution. Therefore Jesus must be wrong (Mark 10:6) in saying man was made at the beginning of this creation, not after millions of years.//

If you read Mark 10:6
"But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female" How can what Jesus said be wrong? From the beginning of creation God did make male and female. Exact time is not mention. Only that it was in Genesis 1:26 and it was the six day.
And I know the seriousness of evolution, and nowhere did Joseph say anything about people being evolve. So how can that make Jesus wrong? Agape
---Luke on 5/21/14


Luke, the Gap Theory (which began in the 1800's) is in contention here. Geologists convinced some Christians millions of years were fact and they uncritically accepted these unprovable ideas. They wondered where million of years could fit into Scripture. Using Genesis 1:28 KJV they saw "replenish" which then (not when the KJV was first translated) meant 'refill' when the underlying Hebrew 'male' means 'fill.' So they imagined the world was once filled, a disaster occurred, and now it needed refilling. All based upon false premises.

This belief concerns vast ages and evolution. Therefore Jesus must be wrong (Mark 10:6) in saying man was made at the beginning of this creation, not after millions of years.
---Warwick on 5/20/14


Kat,Yes/no? Yes of course. I have been thinking along those same lines recently. I can add nothing to the depth of your post. In order to go deeper, there will have to be deeper questions asked,sincerely and directly, and answered scriptually. I will be offline for the next few days. However, I do look foward to continuing this discussion, or at least enjoying more or the depths of the insight that you have been blessed with.
---joseph on 5/20/14




How long was Adam on the earth before God put him to sleep to make Eve? This is one of the thinks God did as he pleased. Listen to what he said to Holy Spirit and Jesus. When he liked what he made then he breathed his life into it. How many did he make before he said I like this one?
---Bryan on 5/19/14


Oh I know...right. Can you imagine if we looked like Gumby?
---kathr4453 on 5/20/14


The tabernacle Moses was instructed to build was a "shadow" and patterned after things in heaven. In Revelation at the end, we are told in the New Creation the "tabernacle" of God is with men and God will forever dwell with men..or the new man. So this TABERNACLE, was already in heaven, prior to and well thought out BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, because it also represents Jesus Christ who was foreordained BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD TO TAKE AWAY SIN. So even the garden of Eden was somewhat unique and to this day completely closed off to fallen man. It must have been a shadow of something patterned after something else, just like the TABERNACLE.
---kathr453 on 5/20/14


//How much Scripture can a believer ignore, reject or distort before they are no longer a believer?//

Dear Warwick,
Do you not think that you are taking the time a little serious with Joseph? What does believing in a different time at the Garden of Eden have to do with someone's salvation? Salvation is by the grace of God through faith. And not by whether someone believes in a different time before the Garden of Eden episode.
I am not saying I believe what Joseph stated about time. In fact I never heard anyone say what he did. But that does not exclude him from being saved. Agape
---Luke on 5/20/14


/How long was Adam on the earth before God put him to sleep to make Eve?...How many did he make before he said I like this one?\-Bryan on 5/19/14
-Less than a day...1
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female created he them.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Mark 10:6-7 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife,
---micha9344 on 5/20/14


Joseph, we are free to believe whatever we like, however why would any faithful Christian believe nonScriptural things, things never mentioned in Scripture? Where does God even hint that the Garden of Eden in which He placed man, was "a shadow" of some other unmentioned Garden of Eden? A shadow is not a reality but a non-substantial image of the reality, much like a photo. Can anyone live in a photo?

How much Scripture can a believer ignore, reject or distort before they are no longer a believer?

Do we spiritualize more and more of God's word until we rob it of reality, as some do? Is that the behaviour followers of Jesus are famous for? Is that the type of belief countless martyrs died for?
---Warwick on 5/19/14




How long was Adam on the earth before God put him to sleep to make Eve? This is one of the thinks God did as he pleased. Listen to what he said to Holy Spirit and Jesus. When he liked what he made then he breathed his life into it. How many did he make before he said I like this one?
---Bryan on 5/19/14


Joseph, from another thread. That frozen mammoths exist is not evidence for an ancient earth as per Jerry's challenge as he is referring to the evolutionists belief in billions of years, not thousands of years.

Now if you were talking about dinosaurs that would be a different thing. Evolutionists claim dinosaurs became extinct c65Million years ago, but lab. tests have shown c14 in some dinosaur bones. This is startling as c14 has a half life of 5,750+/- 40 years. This means no 14c can be present at c100,000 years, let alone 65 million. No proof of millions of years in Dinosaur bones!

Regarding Jeremiah ch.4 where did I say Jerusalem had "been totally destroyed"?
---Warwick on 5/19/14


"I think we both can agree too, that this was long before 6000 years ago." Most definitely Kat. Please see my post on the "Are There Three Earth Ages" blog. I believe the 1st Earth age was ended just prior to the establishment of this age, (just prior meaning within 10 to 14 thousand years ago). The Earth could have existed', as you say, "eons" before that. Please forgive this statement, "Please understand Kat, that I am not saying your understanding is incorrect" in my previous post. I mistakenly attributed someone else's statement to you. We are in complete agreement concerning this subject:o)
---joseph on 5/19/14


Joseph, I have a question.

We know the NEW heaven and earth is described at the end of Revelation as having trees for healing etc etc. looking at this verse, as well as your post that Eden, the garden of God was on the 1st generation of the earth, we see the garden of Eden on the second and a description of this Garden of God's on the new earth.

During the first and third, heaven and earth were not separated because there was no sin, but in the second it is totally separated....

Not sure how to express this, but maybe you understand what it is I'm seeing. Just as in the third or last or New heaven and earth all will be able to go in and out freely, just as it was with the first with angels. Yes/no?
---kathr4453 on 5/19/14


Joseph#2.... This question comes because in the NEW heaven and earth no waters above the earth will separate between heaven and earth. However in this age it does. Just something else I noticed.

If this is the FIRST heaven and earth, and was created PERFECT, like the NEW will be, without that wall of separation, why did we have that wall of separation right from the beginning, and Revelation talks about another sea ....God sees from where He sits separating His throne from us, will not be there either in the NEW heaven and earth.
---kathr453 on 5/19/14


Joseph#3

Now this may be something as a type or shadow ???? BUT, when we see Moses parted the sea, and then again at the Jordan drying up the Jordan to cross over into the promise land.....and again in Psalms....we came through FIRE AND WATER ...to a place....no doubt a spiritual place ...... Have you ever seen or thought about this from a spiritual perspective? I see something a little deeper here but need more pieces to see the whole. Your thoughts?
---kath4453 on 5/19/14


Read These Insightful Articles About VoIP Service


Joseph, I appreciate your input here on the subject. And a great insight that is. I don't disagree here at all, but appreciate your deeper understanding of that verse.

Thanks for that insight.... I think we both can agree too, that this was long before 6000 years ago.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/14


// the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes....(KJV)

Wow, Anyone can rearrange words to say anything they want scripture to say...gee wizz.

It says the workmanship of "thy" meaning his" tabrets and his pipes were prepared "in him" the day "he" was created.
//
---kathr4453

start with a messed up translation, prop it up as supreme, and mock any other rendering - AWESOME job...I quoted from NASB

And again, you're missing the point - I'm not arguing for a position, but AGAINST the idea that someone else is stupid or prideful because they don't agree with you

I don't really even have a view on this issue. This is less than a side note, really
---James_L on 5/18/14


Kat I believe that Eden, the Garden of God, was the Earth in the first Earth age, and that He created a shadow of that for man when He "planted" the Garden of Eden in this dispensation of time. Referred to as The HOLY Mountain of God because Earth, as a planet, was the lofty pinnacle of His creation, as the place that He would choose to dwell, embodied as Jesus, for the eternity. Rev 21:3 Why do I believe that? Eze 28:13,14>Eze 31:1-9 Lucifers fell from his lofty position when that position was no longer enough for him, and he said, Isa 14:13-14, which gives the impression of one looking up from the Earth into the Heavens. Please understand Kat, that I am not saying your understanding is incorrect, I am simply sharing my own.
---joseph on 5/18/14


Dear Leon,
I see you did not respond to my answer. That is ok. I understand.
But, nowhere are we told that angels were created before creation.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" Gen. 1:1. The heavens were created first since they were mentioned first. Angels were in heaven. Nowhere are we told they were in another place other then heaven in the beginning of creation. If there is a passage please give it. After the fall of satan, of course they came down to earth.
Only God is eternal (Ps. 90:2). No one was with Him eternally.
---Luke on 5/18/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Settlements


Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God, every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created..

Wow, Anyone can rearrange words to say anything they want scripture to say...gee wizz.

It says the workmanship of "thy" meaning his" tabrets and his pipes were prepared "in him" the day "he" was created.

God's throne was above all heavens so says Ephesians showing it not even being part of our heavens and earth existing eons before 6000 years ago.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/14


"The tabrets and pipes in Ezekiel 28:13-14 Refers to musical instruments, satan was created for worship and certainly has musical abilities. Back up,for this:
Isaiah14:11-12
"Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols (stringed instruments),the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

There are also several other scriptures this is referring to musical instruments, except two verses in Isaiah which mean lamp stand.

Man has one wind pipe, satan most likely has several pipes in him.
---kathr453 on 5/18/14


Ok where exactly does it say satan was "created" on the day the garden was prepared?
---kathr4453

You were in Eden, the garden of God
Every precious stone was your covering.....
On the day that you were created
They were prepared.
You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God


The Garden of Eden was NEVER referred to as the HOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD.
---kathr4453

Who said it was? But both phrases are used in connected verses.


I'm not being dogmatic. I said SEEMS to indicate.

And...WORTH CONSIDERING


I haven't been emphatic, other than saying the belittling of Micha is unwarranted
---James_L on 5/17/14


Leon: "Oh really, so you know what matters to ALL christians?"

Yes, all true christians because the bible says so. And that's all that matters, eh?


Leon: " "In my opinion" what likely matters to a great many christians is everything that God does.

Why is it YOUR opinion. Why not biblical truth? The word "does" is present tense not past tense.
---Steveng on 5/17/14


Search For Christian Ministries & Missions


James_L: You need to read Ez. 28 in proper context in order to understand what it's actually saying. It is true Micha gives an awful lot of Scripture, but none of what he has given has been in right context to the subject of this blog. You & he are trying to square peg a round hole.

By the way, how can you be so certain 100% of people at one time thought the world was flat? As with this blog, you flat out assume more than you actually know.

Very good point Kathr regarding the Garden of Eden in Genesis likely not being the the same as the garden of God in Ezekiel. Obviously, one is on earth & the other is in heaven.
---Leon on 5/17/14


Ezekiel 28:13

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God, every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Ok where exactly does it say satan was "created" on the day the garden was prepared? Just one more opinion. But what about the verses after that. The Garden of Eden in Genesis 1-2 may not be "Eden...the garden of God".
---kathr4453 on 5/17/14


Continuing to read, the HOLY mountain of God, also called Eden the garden of God was not on the earth...

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God, thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
-------
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

The Garden of Eden was NEVER referred to as the HOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD.
---kathr453 on 5/17/14


So after 46 comments what have we learned?
Genesis states that "heaven" and earth were created in 6 (yoms).heaven is not the "universe"! Jesus said "My Father has kept working 'till now and I keep working" God has and is still "creating" but not in relation to our earth, He rested from that venture!on yom 7 !
Angels were obviously an earlier creation , He has at least a hundred million, superior to man!
---1st_cliff on 5/17/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Internet Services


I think Micha is being unfairly bashed with 99.999% opinions. So what. 100% opinion at one time said the world was flat.

Or that Micha is scripturally dumb. I've seen a lot of scripture in his/her posts. Hardly dumb

Ezekiel 28:13 seems to indicate that the garden was prepared on the same day Satan was made.

I know the context is aimed at the king of Tyre, but why call him cherub? Why reference Eden?

worth taking a look
---James_L on 5/17/14


Never mind Micha. You obviously are bent on sticking to your opinions regardless of their inaccuracies. So be it! I'm certainly not fool enough to think I can convince & make you see, & believe reality if you're not willing to.
---Leon on 5/16/14


Kathr: I think we've allowed Micha to misdirect this whole discussion away from the original question, i.e., "On which day of creation were angels created?" As we know the Bible obvious answer is that they weren't created during the Genesis 6-day account.

If Micha would spend more time seeking Bible rooted answers, perhaps he wouldn't falsely assume there are contradictions in my statements. Frankly, that tells me he has nothing more than faulty deductive reasoning to support his illogical arguments.

You're absolutely right about Micha's lack of spiritual discernment. He reminds me somewhat of M_V.

I'm done with this. :)
---Leon on 5/16/14


//Again regarding Cliff's question, angels weren't made during the Bible recorded 6 days of creation.//

Leon, you say it was a narrow view the one I gave, but yours is not even logical. The Bible six days of creation is the only one we are told off. Angels were created, and six days of creation includes angels, because they are created and creation started and ended at six days. Anything or anyone that was created including angels were created in that created period. Before Creation there was only God. Agape.
---Luke on 5/17/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Online Stores


Kathr, I never denied that angels were created before the foundation of the Earth.
I have, however, denied that the Earth was not created empty, dark, and formless.

---micha9344 on 5/13/2014

Micha do you REALLY know what you believe.

God did not FORM the earth on the third day. He moved the waters to one side exposing the earth already formed. You do a double play on earth. Earth in Genesis 1:2 is the whole planet, including the water. Earth on the third day is the planet earth already In Existence describing the very foundation under the water now exposed...not formed.

I'm going to go plant a tree now digging up some earth in my back yard. I won't be digging up the whole planet we call earth.
---kathr4453 on 5/17/14


then Genesis 1 would read, in the beginning, the universe was without form and void and darkness upon the face of the deep, then God created the heavens and earth. But to clearly say the earth, who's previous verse says, in the beginning God CREATED, then saying THE EARTH had no form and void with darkness upon it, implying that describes a non-existence earth with a description attached is not how one describes something that is not even created yet. Nothing else that God created is described in this way. If it was, we would see a patters of how God describes something non existent before coming into existence. Genesis 1 would then totally omit verse 2 altogether, and in doing so would agree with you.
---kathr4453 on 5/16/14


/God doesn't say when He made the angels. Their creation isn't recorded in the Bible. That implies they existed prior to the creation\-Leon on 5/6/14
/Angels are part of God's pre-Earth creation,\-Leon on 5/7/14
/Regarding angels, how do you know that? "Must" we read into Scripture what it doesn't say?\-Leon on 5/7/14
/The angels were created at a time unknown to us. The Bible doesn't say when! I dare say they were made long before the "beginning" of our heavens & Earth.\-Leon on 5/8/14
-Leon, your statements seem to contradict each other.
You seem to think the foundation of the earth was established in Gen 1:1, yet v2 clearly says "without form."
Exo 20>Gen1:1 heaven.
---micha9344 on 5/16/14


..."Its ok to disagree but no one was with God before time begin. There was only God, in three Persons..."
---Luke on 5/16/14


Luke: That's a pretty narrow & unfactual view of CREATOR GOD. The Bible doesn't support your assertion that God hadn't done any creating before He created our heavens & earth, & therefore He was alone.

Again regarding Cliff's question, angels weren't made during the Bible recorded 6 days of creation. Rather, they were made & resided in heaven long before the 6 days of earth's creation. The Bible says Lucifer (satan, the devil) & 1/3 of the angels who rebelled with him, fell like lightning from their abode in heaven. That in no way implies our earth realm.
---Leon on 5/16/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Business Training


Steveng: You painted a pretty broad swath when you said, "It doesn't really matter to christians when angels were created..." Oh really, so you know what matters to ALL christians? "In my opinion" what likely matters to a great many christians is everything that God does.

It's, to say the least, arrogant & prideful to discount anything God has done just because you don't understand it. However, it's your business if it doesn't matter to "you". By the way, I never try & debate others here. As a christian my posture is always to "reason together" with like-minded christians & to do my best to explain the Bible way of salvation to non-christians.
---Leon on 5/16/14


Luke: There's more Bible evidence about angels existing prior to the beginning of our time than not.

"The fact is that they were created and if they were they had to be created when creation started."

HUH?! You have a skewed perception of CREATOR GOD. He didn't, for the first time, start creating when He began the 6-day creation. "In fact", God is still creating. How do you think you (we) got here if not by the hand of God?

The Universe, contains an inestimatable number of galaxies & solar systems, like ours, & GOD ~ THE CREATOR is ever expanding it!

It isn't all about us. Rather, it's all about us being allowed to be in a relationship with CREATOR GOD!
---Leon on 5/16/14


"without form, and void" it only means not finished in its shape////


Actually if this were true, God would have described man in the same way....something like...on the 6th day God created man and man was without form and void and darkness was upon him. BUT that would not make any sense, nor does it with the Creation either.

So yes, we will just have to agree to disagree..
---kathr4453 on 5/16/14


//Angels were created before the 6 days of creation. How many days before???? Ans: There were no "DAYS" before the 6 days created for man.//


Dear Kathr,
I have to agree with micha and disagree with you. We are never told that angels existed before time begin. Nowhere. The fact is that they were created and if they were they had to be created when creation started. When the passage says,
"without form, and void" it only means not finished in its shape and as yet uninhabited by creatures (Isa. 45:18,19: Jer. 4:23). God would quickly (in 6 days) decorate His original creation (1:2-2:3).
Its ok to disagree but no one was with God before time begin. There was only God, in three Persons. Agape
---Luke on 5/16/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Software


Steveng, the problem is, if you don't understand the BEGINNING, you won't get the ending correct, and possibly a correct understanding of salvation, and how SATAN fits in, from the very beginning to the very end, and in the middle as well. So there is more here than just this narrow minded focus that we see 6 days only and nothing more.

Sin entered the universe FIRST through satan. It ONLY AFFECTED MAN, when man believed Satan's lie. Jesus was also tempted by satan! DID NOT SIN, therefore was not corrupted by sin, and died for OUR..that is man's sin only.

Satan will not be allowed to enter into the NEW heaven and earth. The NEXT generation of the heavens and earth.
---kathr4453 on 5/16/14


Steveng on 5/8/14: "...It doesn't really matter to christians when angels were created..."

Leon on 5/8/14: " Yes Steveng, the Bible does clearly indicates that angels were already existing before the "beginning" days of our Earth. Just when angels were made, only God knows."

As usual, you have misinterpreted my post as you do with scripture. When I say it "doesn't matter" I didn't write if angels existed or not, I simply implied that our salvation doesn't depend what this debate is all about.
---Steveng on 5/15/14


/Just as God uses the EXACT SAME WORDS from a spiritual understanding in Jeremiah.."without form and void" because of SIN, I believe the exact thing is being referred to in Genesis 1:2\
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
The Bible says sin entered the world by man, who was created on Day 6.
Having sin enter earlier to destroy a perfect Earth before man was created is unbiblical.
Since Jeremiah relates "without form and void" to sin, he can in no way be discussing any event happening before day 6.
Don't mix Jesus with King Nebu. just because they are both called King of Kings.
context, context, context.
---micha9344 on 5/15/14


Micha, "without form and void" also means confusion and chaos. God is not the author of confusion, I believe through scripture God is telling us something happened. Just as darkness entered this world through sin, and when Jesus came, LIGHT AGAIN entered this world. You look at the literal only and totally miss the spiritual. The spiritual can only be revealed to those who are spiritual. Just as God uses the EXACT SAME WORDS from a spiritual understanding in Jeremiah.."without form and void" because of SIN, I believe the exact thing is being referred to in Genesis 1:2......Satan's fall caused confusion and chaos on the original perfect creation. Since you refuse the spiritual understanding we will never agree.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Advertising


/Angels witnessed the creation of Earth\-kathr4453 on 5/13/14
/Angels were created before the 6 days of creation...Angels were created and worshipped God for eons and eons.\-kathr4453 on 5/13/14
--These are not in scripture.
/Why are you projecting your extra thoughts here\
Good question.
/99.100% of commentaries disagree with you\
/just type in on-line..." Were Angels created before the foundation of the world" it will pull up hundreds of web sites and world wide ministries.\
/It is YOU who has placed your faith in men and quote men and their works here online without any discernment on your part of what you post.\
The Bible says "foundation"(form), not "creation" as you have pointed out.
---micha9344 on 5/14/14


Micha, are we talking about Angels? Why are you projecting your extra thoughts here where I am talking and continue to believe Angels witnessed the creation of Earth, that NOW you want to say you were not arguing against? So why the 3rd degree with me and Leon and anyone else here who stated they believe they were, based on scripture?

Angels were created before the 6 days of creation. How many days before???? Ans: There were no "DAYS" before the 6 days created for man. God didn't create days for Himself, yet existed from the BEGINNING in a place of beauty, LIGHT, was not void or without form, where Angels were created and worshipped God for eons and eons.

I bet God Throne has a form beyond our wildest imagination.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


Micha: You didn't see fit to answer my previous question (5/9). But, perhaps you'd be gracious enough to answer this one. What do you believe is the meaning of the word "heaven" in Ex. 20:11?
---Leon on 5/13/14


Kathr, I never denied that angels were created before the foundation of the Earth.
I have, however, denied that the Earth was not created empty, dark, and formless.
A statement that your 99% commentaries also deny.
They seem more against you than I.
The Bible states the angels sang and shouted when God laid the foundation (solid form) of the Earth.
He did not do that until day 3.
He created (bara), out of nothing, the material He would use to form, make, establish everything else through the rest of the six-day period.
The heaven (immaterial) and the earth (material) was made on day one.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is...
---micha9344 on 5/13/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Eating Disorders


The bottom line Micha, I cannot dismiss those things God has shown me, and taught me to give way to believing man over what God has told me. That makes God very angry and His view is we are then double minded men.

If perhaps God has more to show me, I will wait for HIM to show me. He has not yet. As far as Scofleld or whomever else you have named here, I do not know them, anymore than I know Al Gore. It is YOU who has placed your faith in men and quote men and their works here online without any discernment on your part of what you post. You have not proven anything, but continue to argue against common sense and everyone else who sees the exact same truth you fail to see. Why is that? Pride perhaps?
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


...The angels were created at a time unknown to us. The Bible doesn't say when! I dare say they were made long before the "beginning" of our heavens & Earth. :)
---Leon on 5/8/14

Since it is generally thought that "heaven" is the home base of angels and God, described by many as a splendid place.
Therefore must be a specific geographic location in the universe.
Which would then have been created in the sometime distant past to accommodate the angels.
Outside of the six day creation account dealing with earth and it's environs.

---1st_cliff on 5/8/14


True Cliff: Angels were in heaven long before Lucifer & 1/3 of the angels fell (were banished, exiled, booted).
---Leon on 5/13/14


micha, just type in on-line..." Were Angels created before the foundation of the world" it will pull up hundreds of web sites and world wide ministries. They all point to JOB 38 for the answer which is YES.

So what makes YOU know more than all those who disagree with you.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


The foundation and cornerstone being solid, not liquid.
The foundation and cornerstone having form, not formless.
Kathr, you are still spouting you're opinion and pushing it into Job and 2Pet.
Where are your 99% commentaries? Where do you see the foundation in Gen 1:1 without the "science" of "millions of years" clouding your or a teacher's(such as Scofield) viewpoints?
Why do you think it necessary to have God destroy an earthly dwelling because of spiritual beings actions?
Because it had to have happened sometime?
The angels were there when God laid the foundation. Now when was the foundation( a non-liquid form) laid?
Peter does talk about a flood because, as the Bible witnesses, it was in Noah's day.
---micha9344 on 5/13/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Travel Packages


" The cornerstone (or foundation stone) the first stone set in the construction of a foundation, important since all other stones will be set in reference to this stone, thus determining the position of the entire structure."

Micha now read AGAIN job 38... They were already there when the cornerstone ..the very beginning was laid, putting them there BEFORE the foundation of the world, before the completion of the creation of the heavens and earth.

Even God's WHOLE plan of salvation was before the foundation of the world, Jesus the chief cornerstone.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof, (COMMA , NOT PERIOD) when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?.


God laid the cornerstone...the very BEGINNING of the foundation being laid. The previous verses say they even witnessed God measuring out WHERE to set it.

The laying of the foundation of anything is only the beginning, not the finished product.
---kathr453 on 5/13/14


/99.100% of commentaries disagree with you Micha.\-kathr4453 on 5/12/14
Show them rather than spewing out your hot air.
If you make an accusation, back it up with evidence.
The Bible clearly states when the foundations of the Earth were laid. It would be better to gain understanding.
Superiority is not in me, it is in God's Word.
God did create it empty, formless, and dark, so that He can fill it, form it, and light it by His Almighty Power.
2Pet 3 does discuss the flood of Noah's day.
I have brought many quotes on previous blogs, yet you say 99% are against me.
It is quite unreasonable for you to say so given such a cloud of witnesses.
---micha9344 on 5/13/14


4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof,

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Here is what it says Micha. They witnessed it in the making. Or did they shout for joy at their own creation AFTER the foundation of the world? 99.100% of commentaries disagree with you Micha. Are you a superior .00000000000000001% who knows more than anyone else?
---kathr4453 on 5/12/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Credit Repair


Leon: Shouldn't you be answering this question since it was you that made the statements?
/What does the Bible say or indicate regarding the creation of angels?\-Leon on 5/9/14
/the Bible does clearly indicates that angels were already existing before the "beginning" days of our Earth.\-Leon on 5/8/14
/Angels are part of God's pre-Earth creation,\-Leon on 5/7/14
I just pointed out that the Bible does not. Since there is no indication, wouldn't be better for you to show the "clear indications" to prove my statement wrong?
Kathr, the Bible clearly states when the foundations of the Earth were laid. It would be better to gain understanding.
---micha9344 on 5/12/14


In Job 38 clearly says, that the Angels AND MORNING STARS clapped when God laid the foundation of the earth. So did they clap in darkness? So,they were eyewitnesses to the laying of the foundation, and witnessed it's creation. So we know they were here before the foundation of the earth.......how much before????????

It doesn't matter. What matters is they came BEFORE, not after.

In the beginning God created the heavenS and earth, yet Ephesians tells us God's abode was FAR ABOVE ALL THE HEAVENS. So even the existence of where God lived existed before the heavens and earth were created. We were created "below" the angels, AFTER the angels were created. Otherwise scripture would say Angels were created above man.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/14


I think Micha may want to consider God's words and rebuke to Job in Job 38-42, where God confronts Job in saying "WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I DID ALL OF THIS? " ...saying, you were not here, so what gives you the right to insist YOU know exactly how it was. Job repented throwing himself in the dust. Yes Job was a righteous man, yet said he spoke things way above his pay grade. And it wasn't until AFTER God spoke to Job that he admitted he spoke out of place of thing HE HAD ONLY HEARD. So obviously what he HEARD was not truth. He repents, and then says "now I see". He SAW what God had personally revealed to him.

So there are THINGS that God personally reveals. All else is unreliable hearsay.
---kathr453 on 5/10/14


Micha: What does the Bible say or indicate regarding the creation of angels?
---Leon on 5/9/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Products


/the Bible does clearly indicates that angels were already existing before the "beginning" days of our Earth.\-Leon on 5/8/14
/Angels are part of God's pre-Earth creation,\-Leon on 5/7/14
/Before the earth was created.\-Bryan on 5/7/14
And, again, the Bible doesn't say nor indicate this.
---micha9344 on 5/9/14


\\It doesn't really matter to christians when angels were created or to know the all of the mysteries of God.\\

Yes, it does matter to some Christians.

They, however, should not be confused with the worldly denominational Church of Steveng.

**Therefore must be a specific geographic location in the universe. **

Wrong. There is no indication that heaven, which is a spiritual reality, is in this physical universe at all.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/8/14


"...It doesn't really matter to christians when angels were created...there are hints throughout the Bible. For instance, angels rejoiced when God created the foundations of the earth, Other than these hints, we don't know for sure..."
---Steveng on 5/8/14


Yes Steveng, the Bible does clearly indicates that angels were already existing before the "beginning" days of our Earth. Just when angels were made, only God knows.
---Leon on 5/8/14


Where were you when God laid the foundations of the Earth?

It doesn't really matter to christians when angels were created or to know the all of the mysteries of God. Our salvation is what we are more interested in, or should be anyway, in the here and now, These are one of those debates that cannot be won just by the fact that there are as many theories as there are planets in the solar system.

Nevertheless, there are hints throughout the bible. For instance, angels rejoiced when God created the foundations of the earth, Other than these hints, we don't know for sure. Your salvation, and the salvation of those around you, should be our main concern, eh? Our duty as christians is to save as many people as possible.
---Steveng on 5/8/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Divorce


Cliff: The problem here is some bloggers choose not to think outside of the galactic box (Milky Way). They seem to think God created the Universe & everything in it in 6 days & then He stopped creating. The Bible doesn't say that! Those are the nonfactual opinions of subjective thinkers. The truth of the matter is the Universe is ever expanding. It appears God hasn't stopped creating within it. Think about it: He's the Creator & creating is what He does (past, present & future) FOREVER!

The angels were created at a time unknown to us. The Bible doesn't say when! I dare say they were made long before the "beginning" of our heavens & Earth. :)
---Leon on 5/8/14


Since it is generally thought that "heaven" is the home base of angels and God, described by many as a splendid place.
Therefore must be a specific geographic location in the universe.
Which would then have been created in the sometime distant past to accommodate the angels.
Outside of the six day creation account dealing with earth and it's environs.
---1st_cliff on 5/8/14


/GOD IS eternal CREATOR (past, present & future) in & outside of time. He rules all of His creation.\-Agreed.
/They "already existed" when God established the foundations of the Earth\-Agreed
/(made in G1:1-14, between days 1-4).\- I agree the Earth was made on day 1(without form) and its foundations were laid on day 4 as the Proverbs describe.
/Ps.104: David praised the Lord by listing some of His known accomplishments. That doesn't mean God created in the order of David's list.\-Agreed, but why add 1 "spiritual" with all the "physical"?
/Angels are part of God's pre-Earth creation,\-Leon on 5/7/14
/Before the earth was created.\-Bryan on 5/7/14
The Bible doesn't say this.
---micha9344 on 5/8/14


The heavens, and the earth were created at the very beginning. There could be no angels before the heavens were created, since they were in heaven. They were not in outer-space waiting for the heavens to be created. We are nowhere told that they existed before the heavens were created.
Many try to get to tactical. It is very simple. Agape
---Luke on 5/8/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Christian Marriage


Before the earth was created.
---Bryan on 5/7/14


"...God created time, space...matter... angels...angels were there when God laid the foundation of the Earth ...When was the Earth established? Why does God include angels in His creative "physical" works? (Psalm 104)[?]..." ---micha9344 on 5/7/14

Micha: GOD IS eternal CREATOR (past, present & future) in & outside of time. He rules all of His creation. Angels are part of God's pre-Earth creation, i.e., They "already existed" when God established the foundations of the Earth (made in G1:1-14, between days 1-4).

Ps.104: David praised the Lord by listing some of His known accomplishments. That doesn't mean God created in the order of David's list.
---Leon on 5/7/14


Thanks Leon. I enjoy our discussion of what is real and what we just think is real.
Let us find where we agree first, then we can discuss why and how we differ.
God created time, space, and matter.
He is not bound by them, they follow His commands.
God created angels, also subject to His commands.
There is "physical" and "spiritual" in many areas.
The angels were there when God laid the foundation of the Earth, i.e. established it.
When was the Earth established?
Why does God include angels in His creative "physical" works? (Psalm 104)
v:2 stretching the heavens.
v:4 making the angels
v:5 laying the foundations
v:6-9 the flood of Noah's day.
etc.
This is all Gen. except v4?
---micha9344 on 5/7/14


"Angels are created... Only God exists from eternity past. Given that they were created, one must, therefore, assign a time, since they are not eternal [?]. Since time was created on day one, it would stand to reason that the angels were created on day one or after...
Psa 104 gives a hint."
---micha9344 on 5/6/14


By eternity past I take you to mean before the creation of the Bible recorded heavens & earth? Regarding angels, how do you know that? "Must" we read into Scripture what it doesn't say? Where does Ps. 104 give a hint?
---Leon on 5/7/14


Read These Insightful Articles About Debt Consolidation


Angels are created as well as the heavenly abode of God. Neither are from eternity past. Only God exists from eternity past.
Given that they were created, one must, therefore, assign a time, since they are not eternal. Since time was created on day one, it would stand to reason that the angels were created on day one or after.
We know the angels rejoiced when God "laid the foundations of the Earth"-Job 38:4-7.
God laid the foundations of the Earth on day 3-Pro 8:29.
Light was created on day 1, yet not quite "physical" even though we can see it and feel it at times.
So it would be day 1, 2, or early in day 3.
Psa 104 gives a hint.
---micha9344 on 5/6/14


Cliff: God doesn't say when He made the angels. Their creation isn't recorded in the Bible. That implies they existed prior to the creation of the heavens, earth (our galaxy, the Milky Way) & all of the earthly inhabitants. Angels were created before God made our sector of the universe. Angels exist as God's messengers, & warriors (servants) in & outside of time as known & unknown to us.
---Leon on 5/6/14


I believe that the angels were created before the physical universe, which is what Gen. 1 is talking about.

Don't forget, there is not time in heaven.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/5/14


Copyright© 1996-2015 ChristiaNet®. All Rights Reserved.