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Were in the scripture "Jesus" does it say or tells us to go out and condemn and judge people to hell?

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We are not to judge others for only GOD can judge.


Rom 14:13

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

1Co 4:3

But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.

1Co 4:5

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

We can say something is wrong and that is it.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/14


Its better said that we are not to judge those outside the Church, for God Judges them. We are to judge those in the Church.
When we present the gospel truth to the lost, we present the good news. Why? Because there is bad news. The gospel convicts the sinners of their sins, by making them aware of their sins against God, and the condemnation they are in. They need a Savior. He is the good news of the gospel. Agape
---Luke on 5/18/14


Were in the scripture does Jesus say or tell us to go out and condemn and judge people to hell?

Nowhere! In fact, Jesus tells us:

Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

God alone is to be our judge. Thus if we "judge" another as unworthy or if we "judge" ourselves as "saved", we are in effect usurping the office of God and have committed blasphemy.



---jerry6593 on 5/17/14


Kathr I agree with you thats a good answer. Also I really think if one stays prayed up,read up in the Bible,and praised up to keep as close to God as one can there will be no doubt when God calls one or of what He is calling one to. When we have a close walk with God we learn even the slightest prompting from Him to serve in a specific way. Focus on God means we are ready to obey instantly. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 5/16/14


Thanks Kathr, good answer.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14




Rod, it seems you changed your question now to " How do I know what my gift is, regardless of what that Gift is? Since Pastor is one of many, the question now is, how can I know what My Gift is?

Firstly, I believe if everyone KNEW what their Gift is, and everyone respected each others gifts, there would be less arguing here on line. But that is not the case.

Secondly, one must surrender *Romans 12:1-2* to KNOW God's will for their lives, that include knowing what your gift is. God WILL reveal it to you.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/14


I've heard that it is "a gift, or a calling.", how does on know if they "have the gift of pastor or "the call?"
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14

My answer is based upon the three ministers I have in my immediate family. They all state in much the same language, that they did not have a desire to be a preacher/pastor/evangelist before they were saved but afterwards, they heard a definite call from God that they could not avoid or ignore. The call would not go away and the more they ignored it the more they felt compelled. The call could only be satisfied.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/14/14


Now that your born again have you lived a sin free life? If you say you have you just lied. The only way we live is by grace and that is a gift from God. So your sins are forgiven today and tomorrow. You don't get a sin free card. If you love God as you say you will live for him. Reaching for that high calling in Christ Jesus everyday.
---Bryan on 5/14/14


//And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,//

The question was, "how is one appointed by God?" Not that this pastor-teacher doesn't exist.

I've heard that it is "a gift, or a calling.", how does on know if they "have the gift of pastor or "the call?"

Number two, it would be incorrect to describe a pastor-teacher by today's definition, that's being anachronistic.

I am sorry if these questions upset some folks. They are not meant to do that. They are meant for discussion.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14


---Rod4Him on 5/14/14

In many Churches Rod, a Pastor is brought in and voted on by the congregation and answers to the congregation, and does not have full authority over any flock EXCEPT all these independent churches now who the pastor himself starts and no one can remove him, but only leave.

I think the only way to answer your question, and a good one is, "You will know them by their fruit". The blind only lead the blind anyway, so those who are Born Again WILL KNOW if one is called and appointed by God.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/14




Exactly Samuel, I'm glad someone get's it. Also Ephesians 4 list Gifts that fall under the same guidelines as those in 1 Corinthians 12. I though I posted Ephesians 4 from the beginning.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/14


//But not all who claim that title are true. There are many false shepherds who are out to fleece the flock.//

That is much of the point I was referring to. In addition a single "pastor" with absolute authority in a church doesn't seem very Biblical. Elders are usually in the plural in the Bible. Hence the question, on what authority does a person declare (called by God) himself/herself a "pastor," and therefore they seem to think others are to follow them and their teachings.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14


I don't know who said that "pastor" is not used in the NT (it's easy to lose track who who said what), but read this:

Ephesians 4:11
And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers,

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


Pastor or Shepherd is from Jeremiah 17:16 and is not used in the New Testament.


1Co 12:28

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Elders are to be Pastors, teachers and government.

This is indeed a gift of the HOLY SPIRIT.

But not all who claim that title are true. There are many false shepherds who are out to fleece the flock.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/14


//You didn't answer the question...""how is one "appointed by God?""//

I Corin. 12 speaks primarily of charsmatic gifts, (I didn't know you are charsmatic) it never speaks of a "pastor."

In trying to deduct what you are suggesting, it sounds like God gives a "gift" to a person to be a "pastor."

//Not every born again Christian is called to be a Pastor//

Here you suggest he "is called," is that the same as given a "gift?" How does this person know "he is called to be a pastor?" and how do we know?

In addition, what is a Biblical definition of this "pastor?"

I know...I am bit off topic.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14


//Were in the scripture "Jesus" does it say or tells us to go out and condemn and judge people to hell?//

We do not judge or condemn people to hell, God does with His Word.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
People need to know when we preach the gospel that they are condemned already, what they need is the good news, that God gave His Son for our sins because of His great love for us. If they believe in Jesus, they will be saved. Only the elect will answer yes, because the word will come to them in power and in the Holy Spirit with much assurance (1 Thess. 1:4,5).
---Luke on 5/14/14


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How does God punish people who sin, with forgiveness? Cause the ones that go to hell he never new them. So how does he punish sinner?By his word how you sow it is how it will produce in your life. Read Matthew 13, Mark 4, and Luke 8. The power is in the word, that power will produce blessing or cursing God set it up that way.
---Bryan on 5/13/14


Hi Kathr,

To Cluny's point way earlier in the discussion, the scriptures do speak of bishops in the new testament church. These bishops are also called preachers, and elders, however, they are NEVER CALLED PRIESTS.

In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ we are told that our God hath made us all kings and priests before God.

The RCC and the Orthodox church both patterned themselves after the old testament Jewish economy of worship.
---trey on 5/13/14


M_E_, I must add this. The God of the OT is not an angry vengeful God. He is the SAME GOD as the one in the NT. God does have to punish SIN, whether OT or NT and that has never changed. FAITH has been around since the very Beginning. Consequences for SIN has been around from the beginning all the way to the end. That is why we must tell people there are STILL consequences for sin...unless of coarse you THEN tell them if they believe in Jesus who died for their sin, that Jesus took our consequences wrath and judgment we so rightly deserve. The Good News is not Good News UNTIL you first tell them the bad news.

Rod4Him, Read 1 Corinthians 12 concerning Gift's God gave to His Body, and how God placed in the Body the Gifts for HIS Glory.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


I do however complain about those trafficking in the Gospel who don't even mention sin or present a false Gospel to these poor souls who are being led astray by wolves in sheep's clothing.
---kathr453 on 5/13/14

I agree with you but this is an entirely different issue.

Judging the BOC is the job of the BOC, but judging sinners is not.

It is important to treat sinners with love rather than judgment. When we judge them we become the priest and the Levite in the parable of the good Samaritan. Passing by with contempt and judgment instead of compassion and love.

Remember, false teachers will receive the wages of unrighteousness. And as Jude says, contend earnestly for the faith.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/14


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Rod4Him, do you know what YOUR spiritual Gift is? Did you take a secular test for it? Did someone appoint you to that Gift, OR was it God giving it to you specifically? If it was God given to you SPECIFICALLY and not some random ..."oh there are gifts floating in the air, grab one and it's yours"...then YES it is God appointed. You are to be obedient in finding out what "your" Gift is and use it to the Glory of God walking in those works God foreordained before the foundation of the world that you are to walk in. This is the ministry God appointed to YOU. Not every born again Christian is called to be a Pastor. If you don't believe it's God appointed, show where our Gift is man appointed. There are only TWO choices here.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


Do you love sinners or only complain about their sin?

---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/14

Oh I absolutely love sinners Mark_Eaton. I don't recall complaining about their sin. I do however complain about those trafficking in the Gospel who don't even mention sin or present a false Gospel to these poor souls who are being led astray by wolves in sheep's clothing. I see nowhere in scripture I am to LOVE false teachers or false prophets. If perhaps I have overlooked those verses, please show me where I overlooked, and I will be glad to pray about it.
---kathr453 on 5/13/14


Are you saying LOVE leaves out the WHOLE TRUTH?
---kathr4453 on 5/12/14

Why is this so hard to understand?

I am saying that the Gospel is a presentation of God's love.

The good news is that God has made a way for everyone to approach Him. Yes, there are consequences if you do not accept His way.

But the issue today is most people do not know of God. They see only the God of the OT, an angry, vengeful God. And if all we are telling them is they are judged and doomed, we are confirming their opinion.

But if we show them the love of Christ, well that is something the world does not have. It will surprise them enough to ask us about it.

Do you love sinners or only complain about their sin?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/14


//Look in Ephesians 4 where pastor is one of the gifts given by Jesus to His body.//

You didn't answer the question...""how is one "appointed by God?""
---Rod4Him on 5/13/14


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Absolutely Luke, thank you for your post, and back up as well showing Stephen. Perfect example. I wonder how many people THINK they are going to heaven because someone left off the most important part, that Jesus Died for SINNERS. But today we have redefined SIN and now call them "issues" and "diseases".

When one listens to Joel Osteen Gospel mentality, we see how a soft sugar coated gospel of no gospel at all is presented, tickling the ears of millions on their way to HELL. Those who preach the TRUE Gospel are not POPULAR will millions following.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/14


Dear Kathr,
I agree with what you are saying concerning the gospel. We present the good news because there is bad news. We give the bad news first, then we present the good news. There would be no good news if there wasn't bad news.
People need to know the condition they are in. And what they have done against God. If anyone looks at the teachings of Stephen, he presented the gospel to those people. He told them what they had done, sinned against God. And what happen after he told the truth? He was stoned to death. People need to know the past, the present, and the future concerning the gospel. So I agree with you. We should not sugar code the gospel in order to not get people angry, the truth convicts them, and many will get angry. Agape
---Luke on 5/13/14


Yes Protestants have sacraments but not the same as Roman Catholics and Cluny I am not sure as if the same as you.

In the Protestant church Sacraments do not make anything sacred or pass grace to the person. They are rituals to remind us plus pray and help us think about to JESUS.

If I was thrown in prison and never allowed communion or the Eucharist again it would not affect my salvation at all. We pray to GOD alone through JESUS CHRIST our only High Priest.

Works and rituals we do are the result of being saved by Grace alone through faith alone in our only Savior and High Priest.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/13/14


The answer to salvation and anything else God has given to us is in the first parable. Matthew 13 what you do with the word when you hear it. One of six things you will do with it. But the greatest is the mustard seed the word will grow in you according to which one of those six you choose.
---Bryan on 5/13/14


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Where is the good news in proclaiming to the world that they will spend eternity without God?

---Mark_Eaton on 5/12/14

So are you saying the good news is everyone will spend eternity with God? Mark_Eaton, I'm not sure you understand what the gospel is or even how to present the gospel according to Scripture. If one rejects Jesus Christ they DIE IN THEIR SIN. Why do we preach Jesus died and rose again, and why one must believe Jesus died and rose again? Yet as Haz27 pointed out, it's with the heart, not the mind. The heart is what is convicted of sin. No conviction, no salvation. No gospel leading to conviction, is no Gospel at all. Acknowledging our sin leads to conviction. Are you saying LOVE leaves out the WHOLE TRUTH?
---kathr4453 on 5/12/14


Orthodox don't observe Ash Wednesday, either, kathr.

And if you have Baptism or the Eucharist or Anointing of the Sick, or ordination, or marriage, you have sacraments, even if you don't call them that.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/14


Rod4him. Look in Ephesians 4 where pastor is one of the gifts given by Jesus to His body.

Cluny, exactly what function? Church starters? Was Barnabas and John Mark also Bishops? Please show scripture to back up or why they would not qualify.

Or Cluny, are you saying it's ok to make things up according to tradition? We don't have Pope's or priests or cardinals or statutes of saints or holy water either. We don't believe in the sacraments, Ash Wednesday or lent either as no scripture says there is such a thing that we must keep and practice.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/14


Rom 10-6-10
But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, Do not say in your heart, Who will ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above) or, Who will descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation
---Haz27 on 5/12/14


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//Bishop in the Protestant church is a pastor of a LOCAL CHURCH, appointed by God, not succession.//

Curious, how is one "appointed by God?"
---Rod4Him on 5/12/14


\\I get it Cluny, but Paul WAS NOT ORTHODOX or RCC.\\

You're half right, kathr. Paul was not RC.

And I'm not bound by Sola scriptura. That's YOUR rule, not mine, and I don't have to play by your rule, but YOU do.

I've proven from Scripture that Timothy and Titus fulfilled the functions of a bishop.

If it fulfills the function of a duck, it's a duck. If someone fulfills the function of a bishop. he's (not she's) a bishop.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/14


Our job is to present the Gospel. BUT with that Gospel we must tell people who reject it (since there is only ONE Gospel) that without Christ they will go to hell. ---kathr4453 on 5/12/14

The Gospel is good news. Where is the good news in proclaiming to the world that they will spend eternity without God?

We cannot reach the world without looking and acting differently from the world. Jesus told us they would know us by our love, His love. When we demonstrate that we love individuals (not groups or the world) regardless of their sin, we love like God. And we will be given an opportunity to present the Gospel to the individuals we love.

Remember, while we were yet sinners, Jesus died for us.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/12/14


Mark_Eaton, I agree with you. We should never force the Gospel on anyone and then condemn them if they reject it. Our job is to present the Gospel. BUT with that Gospel we must tell people who reject it (since there is only ONE Gospel) that without Christ they will go to hell. We don't condemn one to Hell, their own rejection does. They may not like that fact where they get angry.

When you use scripture Judge Not, it is not talking about those who reject Christ and the Gospel. YET we can judge Righteous judgment, and rebuke and reprove those claiming to be Christians who bring in false doctrine, or as Paul did ask that those who openly live in sin be put out of the church until they repent.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/14


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That's right Cluny, the word bishop is NOT used of Titus or Timothy, because neither were called Bishops, or made Bishops. And the verse posted said NOTHING from Paul's own mouth that he had ordained them a bishop.

Tradition of the RCC or Orthodox only make this claim, based solely on your own traditions of how you choose and place men in your church office. Paul wasn't in the business of making bishops. If these men traveled with Peter, would your tradition have made one of them the next pope?

I get it Cluny, but Paul WAS NOT ORTHODOX or RCC. You're reading into scripture what is not there, and still have not proved through scripture either were bishops.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/14


"The Orthodox belief of a bishop, is one appointed by apostles now appointed by Popes through succession. Through the sacrament of holy orders bishops bring order to the Church. Bishops guarantee the continuity and unity of the Church from age to age and from place to place, that is, from the time of Christ and the Apostles until the establishment of God's Kingdom in eternity. Bishops receive the gift of the Holy Spirit to manifest Christ in the Holy Spirit to men and women everywhere."
Bishops in the orthodox are over vast areas of churches.

Bishop in the Protestant church is a pastor of a LOCAL CHURCH, appointed by God, not succession. And today ALL SAVED BRING THE HOLY SPIRIT TO MEN AND WOMEN EVERYWHERE.
---kathr453 on 5/12/14


which clearly state not to be a pacifist or a Mr. Milk Toast.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/14

So is the Holy Spirit not a gentleman who draws people tenderly to The Father?

You are right that we should strongly defend the Gospel, but we should not present the Gospel in a brutish, harsh way.

Paul said that his ministry was one of reconciliation. God is reconciling man back to himself out of love. Gods heart is one of love, not judgment. He offers His best to all, only when people reject His best is He forced to act out of judgment.

The way to present the Gospel is just as Billy Graham presented it. "For God so loved the world...
---Mark_Eaton on 5/12/14


You are about the Bishop part. But they can still be called elders in the church today.

Phl 4:3

And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life.


Tit 2:4

That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

We have here two instance of women working and teaching, one specifically with the apostles.
They can also teach others or prophesy.
Read 2John

Act 2:18

And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy:
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/14


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\\Try again Cluny. Find scripture clearly stating Timothy or Titus were bishops........you can't\\

Read this, kathr.

Titus 1:5
For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

While the word "bishop" is not actually used, correcting abuses in local church and ordaining elders are two of the historical functions of a bishop.

Now, you prove me wrong from Scripture.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


Hello,in Zac.ch.7:7 administer true justice,show mercy compassion to.one another.Do not opress the widow or the fatherless,the alien or the poor.In your hearts do.not think evil not think evil.of eachother.,11 & 12
Explains how they made their hearts hard,would not listen.to.law or the words he sent by his spirit via the earlier prophet.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/11/14


To Kath,4453,all respect,really been reading all here.I believe you make
valuable,point scriptures you are correct.the scriptures speak for our Lord yes,His ways are be righteous and if we are seeking Him then.yes there are situations you have to.call.
like you do.I am learning alot from study these bloggs.There like my neighbor who for yrs.a catholic priest now shameles curses Jesus Christ afer he got healed.
How many people waiting on our healing but praise and love God no matter what!thanks,Sis.Kathr and Shira4368 & Sis.Rita.too!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/11/14


"When you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back to you.
The older I've got as a Christian the less I feel I should criticize others. Chrisianity has become a dirty word among a lot of circles today and it is Judgemental Chrisians that have a lot to do with it. We have no right but need to examine ourselves. Pray for others and allow GOD to deal with their lives for He can make a much better job of them than we can
---Malvina on 5/11/14


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//However, your claiming the right to preach contradicts St. Paul's direct words to women about being silent.//

Dear Cluny,
what you wrote down concerning women, it was for women in the church, the congregation. Women can preach the gospel. They can preach it to women and children. The early church did not have what congregations have today. Now the churches are so big, they have other areas where they have bible study for children. Something not in the early church that I know of. Paul never taught about women outside the church, for them to be silent. That would mean that women just keep silent and never share the gospel to anyone. Agape
---Luke on 5/11/14


2 Corinthians 8:23
Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.

Saint StrongAxe, let's start with Titus. Mentioned 12 times in the NT was sent out by Paul to help establish churches and traveled like Timothy to different places Paul sent them.

Sincerely
Saint Kathryn

Oh, wait, am I not a saint in the RCC until "someone bestows" that honor or title? But contrary to your traditions, all saved ARE SAINTS. Point being, in Protestant churches, bishop is just another word for pastor God calls, not man appointed.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/14


I'm ORTHODOX, kathr.

Haven't you gotten it yet?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


Hello,I saw something recently,gave me to think seriously,a neighbor a few yrs.I post pray for him,he used to be a priest/catholic.God healed him!

However he got healed he kept cursing literally Jesus Christ! He prays/believes in St..Thaddeus.


Again cancer has return now worse in his stomach.It is unoperable large mass.He is terminal.
I kept tell him Do.Not blaspheem the Lord Jesus Christ nor God!
Lam.3:39-40. Heb 10:26,27.
---Elena9555 on 5/11/14


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Try again Cluny. Find scripture clearly stating Timothy or Titus were bishops........you can't.

I'm not interested in your catholic tradition of religion that has made them such. The RCC may have labeled them so, however scripture never does.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/14


kathr4453:

You said: Paul wrote to Timothy and Titus and was instructing them. Neither were bishops of any churches.

Titus 1:5:
"For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:"

Paul gave Titus the authority to ordain elders. What office in the early church had that power, other than bishop?
---StrongAxe on 5/10/14


it is not fair for us to judge other people.it is for the person to decide who they are. didnt god create us so we can choose wether or not to worship him or another? if you judged another person then you would be the same as the devil.i believe that we are all equal and that we have the right to be and choose who we are.
---Angel on 5/10/14


\\Cluny, Paul wrote to Timothy and Titus and was instructing them. Neither were bishops of any churches.\\

Yes, they were.

St. Titus was Bishop of Crete, and St. Timothy was Bp. of Cyprus.

Try again, kathr.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


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Cluny, Paul wrote to Timothy and Titus and was instructing them. Neither were bishops of any churches. But the subject at hand is not about what women can and can't do within the church setting to begin with. Paul gave both Timothy and Titus clear instructions as those verses state! which clearly state not to be a pacifist or a Mr. Milk Toast. Has that fact died somewhere along the way? No. And if someone states they are going to heaven because they are good, and keep the law etc! I WILL TELL THEM OUT OF LOVE THAT IS A LIE. and I will show them from God's word it is a lie. NOW if God chooses to punish me for that that's His business and not yours. However if that is the council I received from the heart, God will manifest that openly.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/14


It is NOT for us to judge. God is Judge. We don't always know as much about another person as we think we know and we should not be influenced by what others tell us.

We ARE told to 'correct a brother when he is wrong' and we can point out what scripture says about certain matters (sins). We can TELL them about Hell but that is not 'condemning or judging them to hell'.

We have our small part to play and then must leave the person to repent and leave God do the judging.

If we judge others we also will be judged (for doing so).
---Rita_H on 5/10/14


Bryan, here is the problem I see with your last statement. Let's take the two WITNESSES in Revelation. Yes it is dangerous, however they are being obedient to what God has called them to do. They loved NOT their lives, even unto death. So picking up one's cross and following Christ leads to many kinds of deaths.

Jesus LOVED HIS OWN, yet HIS OWN CRUCIFIED HIM. Why, because Jesus was sharing the Gospel with them, in LOVE no doubt.

Just being a Christian is dangerous in this world. Bryan, you are in some sort of fantasy bubble that only exists in the Joel Osteen mentality. But then again, he's not preaching the GOSPEL. The children of the flesh WILL ALWAYS HATE the children of the Spirit even to this day...NO MATTER WHAT.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/14


I think what Bryan may not understand is that as the Body of Christ is in this world today as Jesus was before he was Crucified, is that we are to carry on where He left off, yet it is HE in us doing the carrying on. Paul preached the most awesome Gospel in Rome where Paul,was arrested and eventually was beheaded.

If we can't tell sinners they are sinners going to hell, and we can't rebuke those who have snuck in unaware and warn about those perverting the Gospel then we are failures and maybe not really saved at all, but pacifists, or troublemakers wanting to come in and throw salt-peter on everyone sword.....not of God to begin with.

Doing and saying nothing when you see and hear wrong makes YOU just as guilty.
---kathr453 on 5/10/14


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//Were in the scripture "Jesus" does it say or tells us to go out and condemn and judge people to hell?//

Dear Bryan,
If you know the gospel as you say you do, you should already know that the gospel convicts and condemns individuals for breaking the laws of God. And what happens when you present the gospel to the lost? They will leave, they want nothing to do with Jesus.
But when God wants to save someone, the gospel will come to them in power and in the Holy Spirit, and they will be saved. I do not know why you do not know this. I am trying to help you since you always talk about what you do and others don't. And the Seed, and that you have received everything already. Agape
---Luke on 5/10/14


Correcting people in righteous. Does that mean I tell them that their believeing wrong or their sinning?
---Bryan on 5/10/14


kathr, these were words of advice to a young bishop. They are EXACTLY his duties.

They were not addressed to all and sundry Christians.

However, your claiming the right to preach contradicts St. Paul's direct words to women about being silent.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


1 Timothy 5:20
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

Titus 1:13
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,

Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/14


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The statement was to act accordingly. That is the how. and the scripture that you pointed out is according to the Scriptures.
---aka on 5/9/14

There are these passages that tell us NOT to act:

1 Cor. 6:7-8 "Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?"

Rom 14:1 "Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things"

2 Tim 2:24-25 "And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/9/14


Who are we talking about ones that don't know Jesus, are those who do? Either way the word should always be sow in love. Correcting people in righteous can be dangerous to your life. Sharing the Gospel changes more hearts than talling people how wrong they could be.
---Bryan on 5/9/14


Hello,reading about the ,Church of Ephesus talks about they were busy about their service, strong defending truths of God' word.

1.Serving God can never take the place of Loving God! Lk.10:41b,42
So, we do not have to judge no one the bible says the effectual prayers of the righteous availeth much.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/9/14


So when Billy Graham preached the Gospel or anyone else for that matter, is it wrong to tell people they are going to HELL of they reject the Gospel?

OR if your pastor is having affairs with men's wives in the congregation...are we to say nothing?

We are told to WARN the wicked, or their blood will be on our hands.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/14


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Some sound as if their so agree to piont out how the sin in their brother or sister in Jesus. If your sharing the Gospel the Holy Spirit will change their heart not you pionting out there sin. Cause it's the goodness of God that leads to repentence.
---Bryan on 5/9/14


/The issue is not to act, but how to act/ mark eaton

The statement was to act accordingly. That is the how. and the scripture that you pointed out is according to the Scriptures.
---aka on 5/9/14


Using discernment means we can say this and that is wrong. That it should not be done. We can say this fruit of joy or peace does not seem to be present.


Eph 4:15

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


Jde 1:22,23

And of some have compassion, making a difference:
And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

But telling a person you are going to hell is none of these. It is saying they are lost when we do not know their heart.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/9/14


Where does it say in scripture not to use discernment when observing others and act accordingly?
---aka on 5/9/14

The issue is not to act, but how to act.

Gal 6:1 "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted"

Matt 18:15 "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother"

Col 3:13 "bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another, even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do"
---Mark_Eaton on 5/9/14


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Josef. There is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You hit the target right in the center. Nothing can stand against the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Every knee will bow every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is Lord.
---Bryan on 5/9/14


Where does it say in scripture not to use discernment when observing others and act accordingly?
---aka on 5/9/14


John 7:24 "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
Luke 7:43 "... And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged."
Luke 12:57 "Yea, and why even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"
1 Corinthians 5:12_13 "For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person."

Judge, we must. We may judge to part company with someone or we may judge that certaing actions are detrimental to our standing before God (Galatians 5:19_21), but, judging people to hell is not within our power or authority.
---Nana on 5/9/14


"Were in the scripture "Jesus" does it say or tells us to go out and condemn and judge people to hell?" He does not.
In the words of Jesus: "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:" Luk 6:37
Paul and Peter speaks against it as well.
"Do not speak evil of one another, brethren. He who speaks evil of a brother and judges his brother, speaks evil of the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge." Jas 4:11
"Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings." 1Pe 2:1
---Josef on 5/9/14


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Rom. 2:16speaks on God will judge the secrets of men. We our selves can not judge anyone.Mat.7:1Do not judge or you, too will be judged. In hindsite, there are times we loose patience and we hate to see someone go back to the dung, go back to thier old lifestyle and we make a slip of the tongue.. We are able to later realize our mistake and as I have gotten older, it best talk little,pray alot.
Sometimes it good to tell them in a kind way descrite way some people it helps. I believe it helped me. We can call SIN just what it is..
Some choose SIN over God it between them and God.
---Elena9555 on 5/8/14


I think it's in the Koran !
---1st_cliff on 5/8/14


We dont, Jesus is the only one judging the final judgement.
---candice on 5/8/14


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