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I have been here for sometime now, I notice a few ex-catholics. What were the main three reasons you left the church?

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ignorance of its actual teachings.

NO ONE has yet mentioned its aberrant teachings on original sin or Filioque, which are ultimately the reasons for the Protestant reformation.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/1

And you show your ignorance on both issues. The filioque was taught when east and west were one and several Eastern Fathers taught it. In Jhn 15:6 EO say that it 'only' proceeds from the father, like the protestants say that Paul means 'justified by faith', some how it means ALONE! The Greek word use in Jhn 15:6 is also use in Rev 22:1 " And he showed me a RIVER OF WATER OF LIFE, clear as crystal,
proceeding from the throne of God AND of the Lamb.":)
---Ruben on 5/20/14


//BTW, Jesus told His disciples at His Ascension to TEACH all nations. Mt. 28:20.//
Did you ever wonder why they didn't go and teach all nations?
---michael_e on 5/20/14

I wondered and also found out.
He came for his sheep. He can't and didn't fail. Whether I'm a sheep or not doesn't change his intent.
Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 5/20/14


//BTW, Jesus told His disciples at His Ascension to TEACH all nations. Mt. 28:20.//
Did you ever wonder why they didn't go and teach all nations?

Acts 8:1 And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem, and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, EXCEPT the apostles.
---michael_e on 5/20/14


//Why do you have a right that I don't?// Cluny

But Cluny, you're the one saying we don't have the right to read the Bible ourselves to get understanding. You're pushing Orthodox authority to dominate our thinking on scripture.

Hence my earlier question to you. Which church has the right to dominate our thinking? Is it RCC, Orthodox, WatchTower,...?

Re Matt 28:20 all Christians teach the gospel of grace to the lost.
Example: 2Tim 2:24-26
the servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth


---Haz27 on 5/20/14


\\Cluny, you are misunderstanding the scriptures you quote. \\

And who are you to say I don't understand them?

Don't you believe that ALL Christians have the right to read the Bible and interpret it for themselves?

Why do you have a right that I don't?

BTW, Jesus told His disciples at His Ascension to TEACH all nations. Mt. 28:20.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/14




Cluny, you are misunderstanding the scriptures you quote. All Christians teach the gospel of grace to the lost.

Teaching, as in giving spiritual understanding, is from Christ our one teacher, Matt 23.

But please go ahead and give us your explaination for the contradiction you claim you found in God's word.

And don't forget my earlier question as to which worldly "authority" we should put our trust in. Is it the RCC, or Orthodox, or Watch Tower society.....?
---Haz27 on 5/19/14


\\Another reason is you profess to know so much about it.\\

Because what most people here say is wrong with Roman Catholicism simply show their ignorance of its actual teachings.

NO ONE has yet mentioned its aberrant teachings on original sin or Filioque, which are ultimately the reasons for the Protestant reformation.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/14


//Since I have repeatedly said I am not and never have been a Roman Catholic, why did you ask that question?//
One reason is that is the blog question.
Another reason is you profess to know so much about it.
---michael_e on 5/19/14


\\Cluny, why are you an ex-catholic?
---michael_e on 5/19/14\\

Since I have repeatedly said I am not and never have been a Roman Catholic, why did you ask that question?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/14


\\Scripture confirms scripture, and Christ our teacher.
But you and Rubin avoid scripture and focus only on the alleged authority of your favoured church.\\

Haz, did you know there are verses in the Bible that said that God sets up teachers in the church?

1 Corinthians 12:28
Ephesians 4:11
Hebrews 5:12
1 Corinthians 4:15

Don't you just hate it when I show you from the Bible how you're wrong?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/14




Cluny, why are you an ex-catholic?
---michael_e on 5/19/14


\\The Roman Catholic Church taught that the Bible truth could only come from within their church.\\

Well, of course. Bible truth can come only from the Church.

You don't think it came from Buddhism, do you?

\\ They tried real hard to keep the Bible from the people.\\

Please give specific examples from history, giving dates, places, and appropriate papal documents, if any.

If you can't back up what you say, retract it.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/19/14


When I stand before GOD on judgment day I will answer for all I have taught thought and done.

The only priest with me is JESUS CHRIST. If I have taught falsely it will be my fault for not following the leading of the HOLY SPIRIT and the Bible.

I do not want to pass that most important of all the things I do in my understanding. I cannot pass the blame off to another and say well GOD I did not think you could teach me so I just followed the person who taught me.

I am responsible for all my actions and thoughts I cannot pass that responsibility to another.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/19/14


//The schtick of Protestantism is that everyone has the right to interpret scripture.//

Cluny,
The Roman Catholic Church taught that the Bible truth could only come from within their church. They brainwashed everyone that they were the only ones who were permitted or allowed to receive truth. As a whole, they always worried that once the people outside their organism read the Bible for themselves, they would find out what the RCC taught was all wrong. And that is what happened. They tried real hard to keep the Bible from the people. They did for a long time. People are now free from the bondage of the RCC. People are free to buy their own Bibles and read them for themselves.
---Luke on 5/19/14


Cluny. You too avoid scripture like Rubin does.

Christ is our teacher, Matt 23:8-10.
We have no need that any man teach us as the anointing within us teaches us all things, 1John 2:27.

It's Christ our teacher who determines what is correct understanding.

But you, like Rubin and JW's, etc, claim it's your specific church that has the truth. Hence we have RC, Orthodox, Watch Tower society, etc, each claiming to be the one with the truth.

Scripture confirms scripture, and Christ our teacher.
But you and Rubin avoid scripture and focus only on the alleged authority of your favoured church.
---Haz27 on 5/18/14


\\The couple of scriptures they do use to try to support such RC doctrine are not even relevant to it.\\

And who determines which scriptures are relevant to which subject?

||Others here would have many scriptures to offer that contradict RC doctrine||

And I and many other Orthodox many have scriptures that contradict Protestant doctrines proclaimed here.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/18/14


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Remembering that the Holy Spirit is the greatest Teacher (John 16:12-15, I John 2:27), who teaches us, the Holy Spirit or man?
---michael_e on 5/18/14


Ruben. Scripture confirms scripture, and this is where RC doctrine fails. Doctrines such as Purgatory and confession to priests, etc, are based more on RCC tradition than on scripture. The couple of scriptures they do use to try to support such RC doctrine are not even relevant to it.

Like I said, we can discuss topics such as confession to a priest, but you would no doubt fall back to RC authority and tradition, as there are no scriptures to support such doctrines.

Others here would have many scriptures to offer that contradict RC doctrine.

BTW, if you wish to use the term "Protestant" in such a general way, then the RCC could likewise be called "Protestant" based on some of its doctrine.
---Haz27 on 5/17/14


\\We could, but who determines whose interpretation is correct?
---Ruben on 5/17/14\\

The schtick of Protestantism is that everyone has the right to interpret scripture.

When two people read the same verse and come to antithetical interpretations, at least one has to be wrong.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/17/14


Rubin. The RCC always seeks to avoid God's word. Instead it tries to keep the focus upon itself as the authority on truth. Thus it's no surprise that you ignore the following scriptures.

Christ is our teacher, Matt 23:8-10.
We have no need that anyone teach us because the anointing in us teaches us all things, 1John 2:27.

Both the Bereans and Thessalonians referred to scripture.
The Bereans accepted the gospel of grace.
But the Thessalonians rejected Christ and put their trust in man's traditions and church/synagogue authority instead.

You would do better to trust in God instead of mans traditions and their misleading claims of authority.
---Haz27 on 5/17/14


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We could discuss the topic of confessing sin to priest, for example, to test your point about what is correct interpretation, if you wish.

---Haz27 on 5/16/14

We could, but who determines whose interpretation is correct?
---Ruben on 5/17/14


The Bereans preceded Protestants in reading scripture themselves.Haz27


More fair-minded than to whom? The Thessalonias!
Remember the Thessalonians rejected Paul and his message,scripture tells us they became jealous that others believe.

"For three weeks he [(Paul) reasoned with them from the Scriptures" (Acts 17:2) in the synagogue, as was his custom.

But they rejected what he had to say. They compared Pauls message to the Old Testament and decided that Paul was wrong.

So out of these two groups, which would be Protestants? Of course the Thessalonias, They went from the Scriptures alone and decided that Pauls new teaching was "unbiblical.":)
---Ruben on 5/17/14


The Bereans preceded Protestants in reading scripture themselves.

Acts 17:11 "These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so"

And note how Paul did not turn to man for teaching once he was converted.

Gal 1:16,17 " I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me,

1John2:27
"But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you, but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true,..."
---Haz27 on 5/16/14


\\Protestants started with the belief that we should be able to pick up our Bibles and read for ourselves what it teaches. \\

Which is curious, because most people couldn't read at the time of the Reformation.

I picked up my Bible, read it for myself, and decided that Orthodoxy is right.

Why? Because my conclusion disagrees with what many of the people here want to think.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/14


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Protestants started with the belief that we should be able to pick up our Bibles and read for ourselves what it teaches.

Yes men are important but if what they say does not agree with the Bible they are teaching falsely.


Isa 8:20

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Testimony is referring to the Prophets.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/16/14


Ruben. I've already seen RCC doctrine and interestingly, after one shifts through the specious verbiage, we see it offers very few scriptures, which have no relevance to RC claims.

Scripture confirms scripture. And it's the anointing within us that teaches us, 1John 2:27. This is contrary to RCC doctrine which lacks scriptural support and sets up RC priest/man as teacher.

We could discuss the topic of confessing sin to priest, for example, to test your point about what is correct interpretation, if you wish.

Sadly however, when such discussions expose RC doctrine, loyal Catholics always plead that RCC authority trumps scripture.
---Haz27 on 5/16/14


The Roman Catholics, known to me personally, most certainly DO worship and pray to statues. The main statue receiving this adoration is Mary. They place garlands around the neck of the statue and are almost afraid of hurting her in doing so. Every move is done so very carefully as if this piece of stone were actual flesh and blood.
---Rita_H on 5/16/14


Haz27 * Why would anyone want to put their trust in man for teaching?

Because Jesus gave men the authorithy to teach:

" He who listens to you, listen to me, he who rejects you , rejects me" (LK 10:17)

" And teaching them to obey everything I commanded." (MT 28:20)


Haz27 * My Catholic education taught me about Purgatory, Limbo, confession to priests, etc, all of which is not supported in scripture. The RCC record proves that we should only trust in Christ our teacher.

But it is scriptural but again it goes back to why is your interpretation correct?
---Ruben on 5/16/14


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Why is your 'authority ' correct?
---Ruben on 5/15/14

Why would anyone want to put their trust in man for teaching?

Christ is our teacher, Matt 23:8-10.
We have no need that anyone teach us because the anointing (Christ in us) teaches us all things, 1 John 2:27.

My Catholic education taught me about Purgatory, Limbo, confession to priests, etc, all of which is not supported in scripture. The RCC record proves that we should only trust in Christ our teacher.
---Haz27 on 5/15/14


//And no Roman Catholic I know of worships statues//
Did it ever occur to you that you might not know as much about roman catholicism as you think you do?
---michael_e on 5/15/14


The RCC Bishop Bible contains all of the Ten Commandments.

But students are taught out of one the different Catechisms which are used and I have read some. They drop Exodus 20,4,5.

First and Second Commandment are:
Exo 20:3

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Exodus 20:4,5

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/15/14


Being an ex-Catholic, my 3 reasons for leaving RCC are:
1:Their numerous error doctrines.
2:Their claim of being the "authority" who should dominate Christian thinking.
3:Christ is our only leader and teacher. And we Christians are brethren, Matt 23:8-10. Thus confirming how RCC claim of "authority" and it's doctrines are error.

---Haz27 on 5/11/14

Haz27,

But you are doing the very same thing, using your interpretation of scripture as the correct one! Why is your 'authority ' correct?
---Ruben on 5/15/14


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shira4368:

When Cluny mentions "worshipping a piece of cloth", I think he is referring sarcastically to the reverence to which many Americans (including American churches) place on the American flag. The laws protecting it and reverence offered to it - above and beyond any other object in this country - raise it to the level akin to worship, which is idolatry.


Cluny:

Even though most Catholics in "civilized" countries may not actually worship statues, I have heard that it is common in South America for people to offer sacrifices of fruits and grains at shines of (Catholic) saints - clearly a practice related to idolatrous pagan worship, even if this is not the official teaching of the Church.
---StrongAxe on 5/15/14


//And no Roman Catholic I know of worships statues.//

If none do, why do they have shrines of many saints where millions go to ask for prayers from the saints? I know, I was a Catholic who visited a few shrines and worshipped one of the saints.
Why do they have stores that sell candles so people can buy them, then light them on the saints, knell down before the saint, and ask the saints for help in their prayers? Many times money is put in their box.
Maybe you do not see any of them worshipping and praying to the saints because you do not want to admit it is happening all around the world. It's better for you to be blind to those things.
Remember the Second Commandment was done away with? Speaking as an ex-catholic. Agape
---Luke on 5/15/14


\\No baptist I know worships any piece of cloth\\

And no Roman Catholic I know of worships statues.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


//I don't have one, so that just shows your ignorance about me.
Try again.//
OK, have you ever had one?

//St. Paul said he preached Christ crucified. Does that mean he didn't believe in the Resurrection?//
Paul's gospel: "Christ died for our sins4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day"
You don't think Paul preached Christ still hanging on a Cross do you?
//I suppose a Nativity scene//
Do you actually have a nativity scene in your church?
---michael_e on 5/14/14


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Luke, you are right. No baptist I know worships any piece of cloth. That is just one stupid thing to even suggest. Oh Luke, I know you didn't say it and I'm thankful you can see the truth. Many here set them up to believe things about baptist that is a falsehood. I don't know a whole lot about other denominations but I so know what baptist believe.
---shira4368 on 5/14/14


\\As for Christ still hanging on a Cross. That refers to your catholic crucifix that you have. \\

I don't have one, so that just shows your ignorance about me.

Try again.

\\He doesn't and will never hang on another Cross\\

St. Paul said he preached Christ crucified. Does that mean he didn't believe in the Resurrection?

I suppose a Nativity scene means that you think someone believes Jesus is still a Baby in a manger.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


//Then don't criticize people who hold to a faith you admit you know little about.
I am critical, and have the right to be, of people, ignorant of their own beliefs being put in a position of authority.
As for Christ still hanging on a Cross. That refers to your catholic crucifix that you have.
Christ HAS risen, He doesn't and will never hang on another Cross.
---michael_e on 5/14/14


\\Cluny, I have never professed a vast knowledge\\

Then don't criticize people who hold to a faith you admit you know little about.

||If you want to keep Christ hanging on a Cross, that is your problem.||

I have no idea what you mean by that. Do you?

** In worship Protestants do not see the difference. **

That's because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.

It's a distinction that Christ Himself made, if you read the Gospels in the original Greek.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


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Cluny, I have never professed a vast knowledge of roman catholicism, as you have, the simple fact is when I see a priest, uncertain as to what his belief is, given charge of a "church" It is clear, that whoever put this ignorant young man in such a position, is just as ignorant. If you want to keep Christ hanging on a Cross, that is your problem. As for myself "Christ HAS risen"
---michael_e on 5/14/14


//I have not seen that done anywhere in Baptist Churches.//

They used to pledge allegiance to the American Flag and then to the Christian Flag.
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14


Dear Cluny

Latria is sacrificial in character, and may be offered only to God. Catholic and Orthodox Christians offer other degrees of reverence to the Blessed Virgin Mary and to the Saints, these non-sacrificial types of reverence are called hyperdulia and dulia. In English, dulia is also called veneration. Hyperdulia is essentially a heightened degree of dulia provided only to the Blessed Virgin.

Sorry had to look this up. I doubt many normal church members know this. But this is a little like looking to demigods who can also be asked for help.

In worship Protestants do not see the difference. Which is why we only revere GOD alone.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/14/14


\\I do not believe every priest in the RCC is like that guy ...\\

So why did you mention him?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


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I read the Pope may meet with Patriarch Bartholomew I the Archbishop of Constantinople to perhaps reconcile the RCC with the Orthodox. Would Catholics become Orthodox or the Orthodox become Catholics?
---Rod4Him on 5/14/14


//Like how Baptists worshipped and said prayers to pieces of cloth in the Baptist Church before Jesus saved me?//

Dear Cluny,
I know of no Baptist who worships a piece of cloth. That in fact happens in the Roman Catholic Church. The priest kisses the cloth when putting together the Holy Communion. At least that was done at the Catholic Church I attended. I have not seen that done anywhere in Baptist Churches. It is another lie put out there. Agape
---Luke on 5/14/14


michaele, did it ever occur to you that maybe you don't know as much about Roman Catholicism as you think you do?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


Years ago I worked in a Catholic Hospital. The priest that headed up church affairs was the biggest jerk I have ever had any dealings with. He was hateful and talked down to everyone. I do not believe every priest in the RCC is like that guy or there wouldn't be a RCC. What a poor representation!!!
---trey on 5/13/14


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\\ I must defend my faith,\\

Who is attacking it, shira?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


//This priest had been appointed a leader of a church by a group of people, apparently, more ignorant than himself//

True. This appears to happen in many churches with the leader claiming to be "appointed by God," and some saying "he has the gift of pastor/teacher/leader."
---Rod4Him on 5/13/14


*I came to the conclusion that he was as ignorant of his beliefs as I was of mine, yet he had been appointed a church leader**
This priest had been appointed a leader of a church by a group of people, apparently, more ignorant than himself
---michael_e on 5/13/14


\\No-one (to my knowledge) makes oaths and promises, or prays, TO pieces of cloth and those involved KNOW that they don't.\\

And nobody to my knowledge in the Roman Catholic Church worships statues with the LATREIA due to God alone.

If any do it, it's IN SPITE OF the teaching of the Church.

**I came to the conclusion that he was as ignorant of his beliefs as I was of mine, yet he had been appointed a church leader**

Many Protestants are vague about their beliefs, too, outside of the dozen or so verses they can reel off, especially concerning Christology and moral theology.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


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Dear Cluny. True all churches have some rituals. The only banner we ever say pledges to are on occasions The Flag of the United States when we say the Pledge of Allegiance.

Our Pathfinders who is like the Boy and Girl Scouts combines say Pledges to GOD and since I worked and joined them when my children were little. I too pledge to be honest and keep my eye on GOD.

The problem is I was not talking about rituals so much as doctrines. If I mislead you on that I apologize.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/13/14


Cluny, if you had used the word 'banners' in the first place others would not be confused. Making a pledge of allegiance to an organization - scouts for example, often involves a display of banners of some kind but oaths and promises are usually made to God stating that they will keep the rules of the organization (those organizations with Christian roots that is).

No-one (to my knowledge) makes oaths and promises, or prays, TO pieces of cloth and those involved KNOW that they don't.

I suspect that you made some kind of promises to be loyal to your own church when/if you became an official member.
---Rita_H on 5/13/14


While working in a catholic school as a young man I got to know a young priest, In our many conversations, I came to the conclusion that he was as ignorant of his beliefs as I was of mine, yet he had been appointed a church leader
---michael_e on 5/12/14


Samuel, ALL Protestants practice rituals.

Rituals are inescapable. The question is shall we have rituals invented by the precepts of men, or rituals that have been passed down from the time of the Apostles.

When I was a Baptist before I got saved, cloths on poles would be solemnly brought to the front of the church for veneration by the congregation. They were worshipped with ritual gestures done in unison at the command of the leader.

The funny thing is, both prayers began with the same words: I pledge allegiance.

If RCs worship statues, Baptists say prayers to pieces of cloth. It's EXACTLY the same thing.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/12/14


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//Like how Baptists worshipped and said prayers to pieces of cloth in the Baptist Church before Jesus saved me?// Cluny

What pieces of cloth are you refering to? I have been baptist all my life and do not understand what you are refering to.
---Scott1 on 5/12/14


Cluny, what kind of Baptists say prayers to a piece of cloth?

I have never heard of this and know of no-one who has witnessed it or knows what you are referring to. I attend a baptist church in the U.K. so are they different where you are? Also what is supposed to be the purpose of the piece of cloth or the prayer?
---Rita_H on 5/12/14


Cluny I believe it was Charismatics who had the prayer cloths.

But then since each Baptist church is independent there is no real Baptist doctrine. It depends on each church what they teach.

I cannot say I truly left the Roman Catholic church since I only went occasionally as a child.

But my Father in Law who was raised Roman Catholic and attended the schools. He left because he realized that it was most just rituals and no real relationship with JESUS.

Yes there are hypocrites in all churches.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/12/14


\\1. My eyes were opened when I realize that worshipping idols was so wrong.\\

Like how Baptists worshipped and said prayers to pieces of cloth in the Baptist Church before Jesus saved me?

shira, you say you are not a Protestant. So how could you POSSIBLY be insulted when I said that the Bible showed me how wrong Protestants are?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


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I believe that the bible is a Personal book for all mankind to communicate with Him. He is quite capable of interpreting it for us without the need for others to act as interpretor, for we cannot have that personal relationship with Him all the time there is someone in between which - by the way - is the reason a lot of Catholics have left their church. Jesus said, 'I am the only mediator, noone comes to the Father but through me'
---Malvina on 5/11/14


Being an ex-Catholic, my 3 reasons for leaving RCC are:
1:Their numerous error doctrines.
2:Their claim of being the "authority" who should dominate Christian thinking.
3:Christ is our only leader and teacher. And we Christians are brethren, Matt 23:8-10. Thus confirming how RCC claim of "authority" and it's doctrines are error.

I guess my brothers and I are common examples of the growing trend for people to leave RCC. One brother is into new age stuff. Another goes to Baptist church. And I rarely go to a church. In fact I've learnt more through forums than at a church.
---Haz27 on 5/11/14


We know there is many online who attend many different kind of Churches. We should not have to defend any of them, we should defend the truth. That is what really matters. All the talk about defending a denomination is all pride. Just another sin.
If a church is teaching wrong, and our eyes are open, and we see they are wrong, we should leave, and look for one that is teaching correct. Not one is perfect, but some are very good in teaching the truth. If you decide you love the church you attend, then stay there. No one is telling anyone to leave their churches for no reason. Ruben only wanted to know the reason why they left the Catholic Church. He did not ask what church was the right church. Agape
---Luke on 5/11/14


Let's see.

shira has told me that she thinks I'm unhappy, miserable, and lonely. She told me to put an end to my misery by jumping off a bridge.

Then she accused me of insulting her.

Does this make sense, boys and girls?

May God continue to bless you as you bless me, shira.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


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Aka, I do have self control. I think everyone is tired of cluny's insults. I'm not a protestant, I'm a born again Believer. My beliefs have nothing to do with Protestants. Protestants are many and none believe the same way. I must defend my faith, after all bloggers here are free to say what they want and cluny is free to insult almost everyone here.
---shira4368 on 5/10/14


\\Ask God for self control... the spirit has an abundance of it.
---aka on 5/10/14\\

Be careful, aka.

When you ask God for self control or patience, He'll give you LOTS of opportunities to practice them.

shira, you just can't say anything to me without making it a personal attack, can you?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


\\Cluny, I would imagine that there are A LOT of protestants that you have never met\\

And YOU admit you don't know many active Roman Catholics. I'm probably the first Orthodox y ou've met.

At least you admit that there are nominal and marginal members in ALL churhes.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


Cluny, I would imagine that there are A LOT of protestants that you have never met. It seems to me that you need to mingle more and get to know far more protestants than you already know. When I say protestants I mean 'born-again, bible-believing protestants' not that group of protestants who just happen to attend churches other than R.C. churches each Sunday.

I don't know very many Roman Catholics but, of those I do know, none of them attend church regularly and none of them EVER read the bible at home. They just accept that their 'faith' is the true one (and that all others are inferior) because they have been told that it is.

That kind of 'faith' is BLIND faith.
---Rita_H on 5/10/14


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Dear Ruben,
there is many reasons why I left the Roman Catholic Church.
1. My eyes were opened when I realize that worshipping idols was so wrong.
2. When I began to study the history of the Catholic Church, and found out the terrible things they had done through history in the early church.
3. When I began to hear the cases of those children who were molested and how they covered everything up. And those same people were relocated so that they could do the same thing again and again. I was blind as a Catholic, but now I see.
---Luke on 5/10/14


Cluny and aka, funny, reading the bible we find that what a lot of people have said is not so, and that may include ourselves.

Being brought up Catholic, my perception of the Catholic church quickly deteriorated in college, being disillusioned by what I saw and projected onto that church as a whole.

However, any realization of truth as opposed to non-truth can only be by God, wherever and whenever that may be.
---chria9396 on 5/10/14


Shira...Your reply to Cluny indicates that you may have a hard time changing too.

As a disciple of God what does it matter what others say?

Cluny does have a point...protestants do have some beliefs attributed to the bible that just are not there.

Nevertheless, you do not have to participate in another useless dialog with anyone on this site. The original question was about Catholics and I do miss my roots somewhat and i want to hear from them and not another useless dialogue.

Ask God for self control... the spirit has an abundance of it.
---aka on 5/10/14


\\cluny, you will never change. your insults just keep going like anything Ive ever seen. of course anyone can see what you say is wrong. don't that embarrass you? it should.
---shira4368 on 5/9/14\\

May God bless you as richly as you bless me, shira.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/10/14


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I am not protestant.
---aka on 5/9/14


cluny, you will never change. your insults just keep going like anything Ive ever seen. of course anyone can see what you say is wrong. don't that embarrass you? it should.
---shira4368 on 5/9/14


\\They let us read the bible instead of the church telling us what it said.\\

How odd.

I read the Bible and found out what Protestants said isn't so.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/9/14


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