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Does your own church ever have joint services with another. If so, is this sometimes with a church of a different denomination from your own e.g. a Baptist with a Congregationalist?

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Dear Cluny,
Why don't you just stop the complaining? You drag something over and over. You now say I said,
"**It might not be important to you what Jesus says, but it [how our free will fits with God's sovereignty] is important to all of us**
I never said {how our free will fits with God's sovereignty} never added that part, you did. I was speaking of God sovereignty, you speak of free will, not I. Get that right. And please move on. Agape
---Luke on 6/3/14


==/Now, tell us what Jesus said about our free will fitting in with God's sovereignty.//

Jesus never spoke about free will==

You said Jesus did. Here are your exact words:

**It might not be important to you what Jesus says, but it [how our free will fits with God's sovereignty] is important to all of us**

Don't you even remember what you post?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/2/14


//++Dear Cluny,
It might not be important to you what Jesus says, but it is important to all of us++//


Cluny, It might not be important to you, but then again it might, I do not know how you feel about the Sovereignty of God. Then say,

//Now, tell us what Jesus said about our free will fitting in with God's sovereignty.//

Jesus never spoke about free will. Never, I do not know where you get that idea.
The sovereignty of God is displayed by Jesus many times even though He was in His humanity. In the flesh. Agape
---Luke on 6/2/14


None escape the sovereignty of God. Agape

Luke

While that is true in life it should not be true on discussion boards. Many such as this topic have nothing to do with TULIP. So that it must be injected in to all conversations is the free will of the writer not because it is necessary.

I have some issues that I could always inject but I choose not to out of respect for others and the purpose of this discussion site.

I do go and visit other churches but we do not in general hold joint services. But occasionally on special events it does happen.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/14


\\Cluny, I did not suggest you said it was not important. \\

That's exactly what you said. Here are your exact words:

++Dear Cluny,
It might not be important to you what Jesus says, but it is important to all of us++

Now, tell us what Jesus said about our free will fitting in with God's sovereignty.

Give book, chapter, and verse, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/1/14




Luke, thank you but no apology was necessary. We all do it but I am going to try to stick to the point from now on because we waste some of those 75 opportunities to answer helpfully when we use them for either chat or condemnation of someone else's comment. The angry, spiteful ones upset me the most and they are never helpful.
---Rita_H on 6/1/14


I was mainly referring to churches of other denominations. My church is Baptist and there is no other Baptist church close enough to want to travel to ours. We have joint services occasionally with a C.of E. church, a Methodist and a Congregational, all in our own area.

None of us have large congregations any more (but we have large churches)and it is great to see a full church now and again, in our own and then in one of theirs.

It is only an occasional thing but it is good to share and most of us already know these people anyway as we are mainly from the same town.
---Rita_H on 6/1/14


//Virtually everyone using Christianet goes off on a tangent after the first few answers and we end up discussing something totally different.//

Dear Rita,
You are perfectly correct. I am sorry that happened to your blog. I just responded to someone's answer. Still, sorry it happened. Please forgive me. Agape.

Cluny, I did not suggest you said it was not important. I was saying it might not be important to you but it is important because there is no biblical blog that does not have something to do with the Sovereignty of God. The works of God in salvation, and the denominational teachings in the church. None escape the sovereignty of God. Agape
---Luke on 6/1/14


Rita: I am not sure if you only mean with another denomination, or even a shared service with another church of the same denomination.

As I rarely even check which denomination a church is, as long as it is from one of the 'normal' ones, I know that that, while the church I attend does have mixed services, I never check whether it is with a church of another denomination or not! Just because I don't bother to check.

I currently go to a church of England, one of the more evangelical churches in that denomination
---Peter on 5/31/14


++//As I've said before, how our free will fits in with God's sovereignty and eternal NOW is a mystery we will never understand in this world, and in the World to Come, we won't care.//

Dear Cluny,
It might not be important to you what Jesus says, but it is important to all of us.++

Do you understand simple English prose?

I didn't say it wasn't important. Quote the exact words where I said that.

I said we couldn't understand it now, and in Heaven we'll have other things to think about.

And this matter has nothing to do with the original question.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/14




Virtually everyone using Christianet goes off on a tangent after the first few answers and we end up discussing something totally different.

It's a shame that happens. I guess it's part of human nature but it would be good if we could ALL stick to the point. We don't have to keep going until 75 answers have been reached.

Four good answers ONLY are better than 4 good and 71 irrelevant ones, but it seems that we cannot help ourselves.

If the most recent answer is not connected to the question, or looks like the start of an argument, perhaps we should all ensure that we ignore that last answer and just answer what was asked originally.
---Rita_H on 5/31/14


//As I've said before, how our free will fits in with God's sovereignty and eternal NOW is a mystery we will never understand in this world, and in the World to Come, we won't care.//

Dear Cluny,
It might not be important to you what Jesus says, but it is important to all of us. It might also be a mystery to you but not to many others, Why? Because that truth is in the Bible. Jesus own words when He was asked,
"Who then can be saved? and what did Jesus say?

"But Jesus looked at them and said to them, "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible" Matthew 19:25,26.
I do not see why that is a mystery to you, it is pretty clear.
---Luke on 5/31/14


As I've said before, how our free will fits in with God's sovereignty and eternal NOW is a mystery we will never understand in this world, and in the World to Come, we won't care.

And what does this matter have to do with Rita's original question?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/14


//GOD in control can give humans the ability to make choices because he is all powerful. Other wise we are just puppets and have no responsibility for our actions.//

God did give man the ability to make choices, but did not give them the ability to choose Christ while they are in trespasses and sins. They are puppets alright, to the devil. They are children of wrath, walking to the spirit who is not working on the sons of disobedience among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:2,3).
The lost are puppets to the devil.
---Luke on 5/30/14


GOD in control can give humans the ability to make choices because he is all powerful. Other wise we are just puppets and have no responsibility for our actions.

Instead of the Devil made me do it. It would be GOD made me do it.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/14


DearSis.Rita,this is vital,I try to say with respect to all..but,one thing for sure all glory goes to God. I have so much to be thankfull,my sister the Lord has done No one else could DO it' no more complaining! Elena has been very fortunate be alive,do all I can.keep CNT not just for me but for the masses who need a real good prayeronline CNT made up.of sincere Christ loving folks,too!
We provide a place for the broken.hearted,lonely like I was..those who need bible,etc..
Smiles you get my point.
Love of Jesus! Elena 9555
---Elena9555 on 5/28/14


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//. Your life consist of choices you make one very level. God made us that way. I know God is in control of everything.//

Dear Shira,
If humans have the right to make choices how can God be in control of everything?
He doesn't seem to be in control of everything if man make their own choices. He must not be in control of humans. I do not believe you have an answer do you? Agape
---Luke on 5/29/14


Elena, your loving comments to me really cheer me up, especially after reading all the hurtful comments being thrown around here these days. It's so good to see that you don't allow these things to spoil your joy in being a Christian one little bit. Long may that continue. Every blessing to you.
---Rita_H on 5/28/14


To my dear Sis.Rita,all respect,yes love your post 5/21/14
Really love how wonderfully you can put it all together the way I want to but,at times difficult.love agape goes out to you,my Sister.
:-) Elena 9555
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/28/14


Luke, Christ chose us with His shed blood on the cross of Calvary. I said people have a choice to accept or reject God. Your life consist of choices you make one very level. God made us that way. I know God is in control of everything.
---shira4368 on 5/28/14


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Dear Shira,
I assure you I am not. But if this guy Markv loved God with all his heart as I do, that would not be bad company to be in. He is not the only one who loves God and knows that it is God who saves, and that salvation with men is impossible. That it takes for a supernatural act of God for a person to be saved. Do you know that before you chose Christ, He has to chose you first. Otherwise you remain dead in trespasses and sins. When He makes you alive together with Christ, it is by grace that He does that.
Because with God, all things are possible. Agape
---Luke on 5/28/14


Luke, are you Markv reincarnated? God is a God of our choosing. God gave us the ability to accept or reject Christ. This was hashed over when Markv was here.
---shira4368 on 5/27/14


Samuel,
I am glad that that minister or preacher is now with you guys. We do not need anymore of those guys teaching a false doctrine. We have enough of them already. I am also happy he is happy. He is exactly in the place God wanted him to be. We all are. Agape
---Luke on 5/27/14


Dear Luke

Our former Pastor who was a Presbyterian Minister who became a Seventh day Adventist Minister used to say "It gave him such joy to find the truth of the Gospel."

I do not see an Awesome inspiring GOD in Calvinism.

I see that in My loving caring giving Father in heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/27/14


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An orthodox church which uses lots of incense would be NO PROBLEM AT ALL to non-orthodox people because we have been told here on Christianet that Orthodox churches NEVER have interdenominational services.

What we are not invited to share we can never be offended by.
---Rita_H on 5/27/14


Dear Rita,
I do not believe any "free will" denomination will ever come to our Church. The want no part in God saving individuals, they want their own freedom to choose Christ if the want to or not. They do not want to hear the truth. If they were to come, the would have to be chained to the chairs, in order for them to listen about God and how He saves individuals. They will also hear how awesome a God we have. Agape
---Luke on 5/24/14


\\The differences in their way of worshipping are not significant enough to keep them apart when there is opportunity for them to assemble together now and then.
\\

What would you think about the large amounts of incense used in Orthodox services, Rita?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/14


I once heard a preacher telling about his aunt being a Preacher. Then he said this " yea I know we don't believe in women preachers but I know she was saved"
---shira4368 on 5/23/14


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Dear Rita,
You are correct, there is many born again Christians in many denominations. Many of the denominations might be teaching certain thing wrong, but that does not stop a genuine Christian from being a genuine Christian. Once that Christian finds out what they are teaching is wrong, he knows already in his heart what is right. The elect will come from all corners of the world. Agape
---Luke on 5/22/14


There are born-again Christians within most denominations. The differences in their way of worshipping are not significant enough to keep them apart when there is opportunity for them to assemble together now and then.

Those who disagree are free to just not attend joint meetings (and that is what they do) but, personally, I enjoy the fellowship with other believers in my own, and sometimes in their church.
---Rita_H on 5/21/14


Generally no. We do occasionally have prayer and work with other denominations.
I have attended other Services mostly Baptist and have been to many other church funerals.

In heaven all who have followed JESUS in their heart will be there.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/14


I'm like Paul he said I can meet you were your faith is at. If Jew, Jewish if a Methodist Methodist If Catholic Catholic if Pentecostal Pentecostal if Baptist Baptist if Orthodox Orthodox Jesus can be all and much more. Jesus is not threatened by religions he thinks there funny but threatened by them he is not he said every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Good to start practicing it now cuz if you wait till later he will make you do it. Just let it flow out Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Your religions lord over you. Because you all defend your religion before you share the Gospel..
---Bryan on 5/20/14


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++//Orthodoxy does not permit interdenominational services.//
Would you be booted out if you disobeyed?
---michael_e on 5/20/14++

I go only to services in Orthodox churches, and we don't hold interdenominational services.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/20/14


//Orthodoxy does not permit interdenominational services.//
Would you be booted out if you disobeyed?
---michael_e on 5/20/14


Newcomers must be horrified to see just how UNChristian this website sometimes is. No wonder many regulars seem to have 'disappeared'.
---Rita_H on 5/16/14

Put you a couple of scriptures here. Utilize GOD/Christ, Apostle or Prophet as your sword.

Rom_7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do I.

Luk_12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay, but rather division:

Heb_4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
---Trav on 5/20/14


\\You seem to thrive on personal attacks and this, I am certain, is not why Christianet exists. \\

You surely hate being disagreed with, don't you?

How have I attacked you personally, except to doubt your ability to judge the spiritual condition of other people?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/16/14


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Cluny, you will keep up this argumentative response, to everything I say, indefinitely, so I am now removing from you the ability to do this any longer. You seem to thrive on personal attacks and this, I am certain, is not why Christianet exists.

Newcomers must be horrified to see just how UNChristian this website sometimes is. No wonder many regulars seem to have 'disappeared'.
---Rita_H on 5/16/14


\\I cannot think of ANY person who attended that church who was anything more than someone occupying a pew. \\

And, of course, God has given you the charism of seeing the spiritual condition of people's hearts from 50 and more years past, right?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/14


\\Absolutely correct Cluny as were 99.9% of the others attending each service i.m.h.o.\\

Well, you know what they say about opinions.

They are like where we sit down. Everybody's got one, and they are all full of the same stinky stuff.

And your opinion is not that humble if you think you could read people's hearts 50+ years ago.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/14


Absolutely correct Cluny as were 99.9% of the others attending each service i.m.h.o.

With the above figure I am being generous because - looking back - I cannot think of ANY person who attended that church who was anything more than someone occupying a pew. Church attendance was something people did on a Sunday. It was just a way of life because their parents, grandparents and great-grandparents had always done so.

The vicar entered the church, went through the motions, shook hands at the door and went home. The wealthy in town had the occasional home visit from him.
---Rita_H on 5/15/14


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\\As an unsaved girl I could have quoted your last post in my sleep. Those words save no-one and mean nothing to an unsaved person.
---Rita_H on 5/15/14\\

In other words, the problem was not with Anglicanism at the time, but your own spiritual deadness.

The prayers I quoted clearly say that we are sinners deserving God's punishment--something that you claimed to have never heard as an Anglican.

In other words, you simply were not paying attention.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/15/14


Communion, BCP:

ALMIGHTY God, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Maker of all things, Judge of all men, We acknowledge and bewail our manifold sins and wickedness, Which we, from time to time, most grievously have committed, By thought, word, and deed, Against thy Divine Majesty, Provoking most justly thy wrath and indignation against us. We do earnestly repent, And are heartily sorry for these our misdoings, The remembrance of them is grievous unto us, The burden of them is intolerable. Have mercy upon us, Have mercy upon us, most merciful Father, For thy Son our Lord Jesus Christ's sake, Forgive us all that is past, And grant that we may ever hereafter Serve and please thee In newness of life, To the honour and glory of thy Name,
---Cluny on 5/15/14


NO Cluny I was not listening because I was attending church as a family tradition not because I wished to be there or was in the slightly bit interested. I was exactly like millions of other people - just following family tradition.

THEN ONE DAY (aged 17) I heard the gospel and I heard it from people who KNEW Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.

When I stand in front of a group of people and give my testimony the first part of that explains how I changed from being a church-goer to becoming a born-again Christian and continue to tell them of recent things God has done in my life.

As an unsaved girl I could have quoted your last post in my sleep. Those words save no-one and mean nothing to an unsaved person.
---Rita_H on 5/15/14


From the word of God:
"The man answered and said to them, "why this is a marvelous thing that you do not know where He is from, yet He has opened my eyes! "Now we know that God does not hear sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him" John 9:30,31.

What that passage tells us is that no one can come before God without Christ. Jesus is our Mediator. All the prayers in the world will not be heard if Christ is not your Mediator. It also teaches that if you are a worshiper of God and not an idol, He will hear you. Agape
---Luke on 5/15/14


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From the BCP:


ALMIGHTY and most merciful Father, We have erred, and strayed from thy ways like lost sheep. We have followed too much the devices and desires of our own hearts. We have offended against thy holy laws. We have left undone those things which we ought to have done, And we have done those things which we ought not to have done, And there is no health in us. But thou, O Lord, have mercy upon us, miserable offenders. Spare thou those, O God, who confess their faults. Restore thou those who are penitent, According to thy promises declared unto mankind In Christ Jesus our Lord. And grant, O most merciful Father, for his sake, That we may hereafter live a godly, righteous, and sober life, To the glory of thy holy Name. Amen.
---Cluny on 5/14/14


\\No-one ever told me I needed to be saved from the punishment due to ME for MY sins.\\

Even though this teaching is built into the classical Anglican liturgies.

Weren't you listening to the words of the very prayers you were saying, Rita?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


Luke, thank you. I am certain that Cluny has as much to learn as we all have. No-one (in this life) has all the answers. When we meet our Heavenly Father we will all find out where we went wrong. Being wrong sometimes is not a salvation issue though should do out best to study the get things as right as we can.

The orthodox sounds very similar to the Anglican church I left 53 years ago. Ritual was all I learned. No-one ever told me I needed to be saved from the punishment due to ME for MY sins.

Fortunately, someone else did and life took on a new meaning.
---Rita_H on 5/14/14


\\it does not teach justification by faith along\\

Neither does the Bible, if you really mean "alone".

Christ is rise!
---Cluny on 5/14/14


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Dear Rita,
Cluny is wrong when he says that only orthodox, meaning Eastern Orthodox is the true church. The fact is they are a fallen church. A bit out of the Roman Catholic Church.
While many of their teachings are similar to many churches, it does not teach justification by faith along, in Christ along. They have other ways to justification. They also do not believe in Bible along. Just something to think about, I am sure he will respond to my answer. Agape
---Luke on 5/14/14


\\cannot find agreement with them on Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/14
\\

That's because their Christology is, at best, Arian.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


\\Denominations divide. If we all have Jesus as our center & foundation \\

If we all had Jesus as our center and foundation, we'd all be Orthodox.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/13/14


I have in ministry worked beside Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists, and people of other various denominations. I have found that we find unity in Jesus and the Christian faith and can agree not to discuss items that divide us.

However, I have yet to work in ministry beside JW, SDA, and Mormons. I have found in talking with people of these groups that they are isolationists and do not want to work side by side with Christian brethren. I have also found members of these groups unwilling to leave doctrinal differences aside and cannot find agreement with them on Jesus.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/13/14


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in never came across something like this but it sounds like what Jesus wants of us and i think it would be so awesome and so much Jesus strength wow watch satan run now
---patra on 5/13/14


Denominations divide. If we all have Jesus as our center & foundation & the scriptures we follow what he taught then it shouldnt matter if you're luthern, baptist, CoC, non-denom.. we are all equal to God.We all should be able to fellowship together.
---Candice on 5/12/14


Recently several churches in my area had joint services during Holy Week. The churches used for this were a Methodist, an Anglican and a Baptist. The one I attend could not be host to any services as our main hall is under repair and we meet in a very small hall attached to our church at this time - no room for visitors.

We have held joint services in the past and probably will in the future.
---Rita_H on 5/12/14


From time to time Orthodox churches join together for special events, such as Sunday evening Vespers in Great Lent.

Orthodoxy does not permit interdenominational services. That is to say that error is equal to truth.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/11/14


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