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Are today's denominational churches counterfeit churches? What is the true meaning of the church as written in the bible compared to how it's used today?

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Hello,my thoughts are a home church or either a denominational church bldg. As believers the reality of serving,being helpfull allow God,Jesus & the Holy Spirit minister to us lies with our true love,committed life heart,mind,soul,personaly each one. I.bbelieve tell me if I am.wrong? Bro.Steveng I.know and believe you love the Lord have you been.hurt,disappointed...yes
,I.believe that also
God does tell us not to forsake assemble together..be at a cafe,with the bible other Christians or at a church bldg.
Any comments welcome Brother.
Love of Jesus! Elena 9555
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14


//So all churches are denominational, really//
So what denomination would you call the body of Christ?
For us in this dispensation, when we trust in the gospel and are saved, we are placed into the body of Christ, which is the church (1 Cor 12:13, Col 1:24).
---michael_e on 6/8/14


michael_e on 6/6/14: "non-denominational church." is mostly a fake term, made mostly by people who just dislike all the denominations they have found.

All people I know from non-denominational churches have a set of 'ways of interpreting the Bible' and 'way of worship'

Those two things ARE what define a denomination, sometimes with method of government of the church added in

So all churches are denominational, really
---Peter on 6/8/14


//I won't allow anything to be put on my bible//
It's your Bible you can do with it as you please.
I have a Bible with all the Pauline letters removed, just to show where gentiles would be, without the apostle to the gentiles.
---michael_e on 6/8/14


Michael, since God's Words are holy then the paper they are written on carries the Word. It is holy enough that I won't allow anything to be put on my bible. Once someone sat a glass of tea on my bible. It was removed immediately by me.
---shira4368 on 6/7/14




\\What do you base your statement on, opinion or commentary?
---michael_e on 6/6/14\\

Neither.

My experience and observation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/7/14


You made the statement there's no such thing as a non-denominational church. Then you try to turn it around. What do you base your statement on, opinion or commentary?
---michael_e on 6/6/14


It is NOT some joe blow starting one out of the trunk of his car with his own interpretation of the bible.
---Regina on 6/6/14


\\Then this statement is based on your opinion or a commentary?
---michael_e on 6/6/14\\

Please give BCV where the Bible explicitly says that there CAN be non-denominational churches, or else admit that your statement is based on your own opinion or commentary.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/6/14


//How can I use scripture when I discuss an issue for which the Bible has no word?//
// There's no such thing as a non-denominational church.//
Then this statement is based on your opinion or a commentary?
---michael_e on 6/6/14




\\As usual no scripture.
---michael_e on 6/5/14\\

How can I use scripture when I discuss an issue for which the Bible has no word?

Besides, I don't have to.

Sola scriptura is YOUR rule, not mine.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/6/14


Real factual.
//There's no such thing as a non-denominational church.
It might be...
But more likely..
Generally...//
As usual no scripture.
---michael_e on 6/5/14


There's no such thing as a non-denominational church.

It might be a denomination of just one congregation.

But more likely it would be found to fit nicely with one of the existing denominations.

Generally they are founded by people who say, "Now we're going to have a REAL NT church with ME as the head."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/5/14


My Bible says Holy Bible on the front, but it's the words that are holy because they were inspired by God. It's not the physical pages that are holy.
The temple of God is not a building with doors that you go to on Saturday or Sunday, but never on Monday?
1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
It's obvious from this verse that the Spirit of God dwells in me if I walk through the doors of McDonalds, or a barn.
Man can destroy bricks and mortar, but can't touch the real Church, the body of Christ.
---michael_e on 6/5/14


Candace, you have your opinion. You say it's wrong and I say it's right. I have never said my denomination was better than yours. Non denominational churches have cropped up over the past 30 ot so years. So for over 300 years the churches were divided? I am what I am because of my beliefs. I am a baptist from inside out but I have never thought I was better than anyone. You are very wrong about division of churches. Tell me what you believe as a non denomination. Those churches is a Melting pot for all churches to bring their doctrine in and therefore confuse everyone.
---shira4368 on 6/5/14


\\//If this is so, then one cannot profane a Bible which the church reads, since it is merely paper and ink.//
Now you are on the right track
---michael_e on 6/4/14\\

Wrong, because for Christians, the Bible is MORE than paper and ink.

The same way, the building in which a congregation meets is MORE than bricks and mortar.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/4/14


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// the local church is also the church.//
The point is, If you took the car out of the garage and met their on Sunday, would it make your garage Holy? Where people meet is not the Church.
Any one can enter a building, only believers enter the Church.
---michael_e on 6/4/14


Shira,
Yes having a denominational label is wrong. it does divide.We all should be Chrisitians having Jesus as our foundation.For example being a baptist or CoC is not better then the other. Just like being a Pentecostal is no better then a luthern. Again WE are the church. If someone say them being (whatever denomination here) makes them a better chrisitan then the other one, THEY are in the wrong because WE are suppose to be Chrisitans only.
---candice on 6/4/14


//If this is so, then one cannot profane a Bible which the church reads, since it is merely paper and ink.//
Now you are on the right track
---michael_e on 6/4/14


Michael, I agree with you totally but the local church is also the church. The saved are the church but I've noticed when we don't fellowship in the local church, we miss a blessing and we will also turn cold in our faith. We are directed to assemble together with other believers.
---shira4368 on 6/4/14


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Candace, do you honestly think denominations are wrong? Do you believe the body if Christ is made up of people who belong to denominations. denominations just let's everyone know beliefs. How does that divide? In the past 30 years or so (don't know exactly when) denominations started going generic. I'm glad mine didn't succumb to that.
---shira4368 on 6/4/14


Profane 3.Treating sacred things with contempt, disrespect, irreverence, or undue familiarity, blasphemous, impious.

We do call the Bible the Holy Bible. But destroying or burning it does not to me profane it as much as ignoring and not following it while claiming to follow it.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/4/14


\\It's impossible to profane a building where the church meets.\\

If this is so, then one cannot profane a Bible which the church reads, since it is merely paper and ink.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/3/14


To bro.michael e. Thankyou,All respect to.you.Brother,certainly agree 100%
The church is all of us..not the bldg.
If that the case what if ( God forbid) it saw ugly circumstances..we would just dry up and never seek the Lord? Again.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/3/14


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The church is a spiritual body, not a physical place. A person is made the church by trusting the gospel of Christ that he died for your sins, and was raised from the dead (1Cor !5:1-4) Christianity is confused with a religious system, when physical objects and places are given status as sacred or holy.

It's possible to commit sacrilege in Muslim mosques and Jewish temples and Catholic mass by desecrating physical objects.
It's impossible to profane a building where the church meets. The pews, pulpit, hymnals, and toilet paper are no more sacred than the furniture in an office building.
This is because the church is not a building it is saved people. You cannot go to the church, if you are saved, you are the church.
---michael_e on 6/2/14


\\Actually, Cluny, It doesn't surprise me that your church is simply an empty building.
---michael_e on 6\\

But it isn't, which shows your abysmal ignorance.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/1/14


Actually, Cluny, It doesn't surprise me that your church is simply an empty building.
---michael_e on 6/1/14


Bryan, I heartily agree! Amen! God bless you.
---love.jesus on 6/1/14


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People who share the love of God. You may not find that in every church congregation. So the thing to do is to be that light. Jesus said be the light. Jesus taught about a candle to be put on a stand. Jesus is bragging about you he made you to shine for the whole world to see. So shine his love.
---Bryan on 6/1/14


Actually michael e, in modern English, as in other languages, "church" has two meanings: the building and the people.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/1/14


What really gets me is why signs labels the building the church while there is not a soul inside it on many days.
The church is not a building, but a body of people with the same head: the Lord Jesus Christ.
And he [the Lord Jesus Christ] is the head of the body, the church Col 1:18
---michael_e on 5/31/14


Loving my children came as naturally as breathing. Loving my husband came a little more slowly as I gradually came to know him better.
---Rita_H on 6/1/14


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What processes/procedures, and activities do you perform or engage in to love your children or spouse? If you use a book or list of instructions (whether given to you or imagined), then you are NOT offering a TRUE LOVE, you are simply 'going through the motions' (obeying and performing procedures)...this is called PROTOCOL.

Love God as FATHER....NOT "master" (then you can be a SON of His (if you REALLY love Him that should be the goal).

"ABBA FATHER ("the spirit of SONship") wants REAL and SINCERE love ONLY (otherwise known as "ACCEPTABLE" worship/dedication/honor).

PAY HOMAGE to the slayer of death.
---faithforfaith on 5/27/14


Dear Steven,
Only someone who is against the denominations would asked this question. You are trying to split hairs, by using today's understanding of the word church.
The correct word is "Ecclesia" which appears approximately 115 times in the New Testament. Ecclesia means the "Called out" ones, in the case of the Bible, the elect. The assembly of believers.
The translators changed the word "ecclesia" to the word "church". Agape
---Luke on 5/24/14


Hello,Candice yes,thanks..I got your reply,yes I agree..no matter denomination be able fellowship together.Ps.133:1 in my edition uses
How good and pleasant it is when.brothers live in unity.
E.Bible.
Well,I found out in our mission.there are catholic pentecostal baptist, lutheran etc,
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/23/14


\\Amos 5:21 "I HATE, I DESPISE your feasts and your solemn assemblies".\\

Could that be talking about YOUR church, faithforfaith?

\\IN THE SAME VERSE that the fear of Him is a commandment of MEN/MAN. RSV\\

And in Proverbs, it says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Does this mean that Proverbs was not inspired by God?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/14


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Amos 5:21 "I HATE, I DESPISE your feasts and your solemn assemblies".

..."Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, AS THE MANNER OF SOME IS..."....this was TO THE JEWS ("THE MANNER OF SOME" of the Jews who were alive 2,000 years ago).

Buildings, books, protocol/rules, LAW, words/praychanting (lip service worship), and informing God of your wishes/desires and BEING AFRAID because you are'nt trusting Him...("I shall not WANT") is not "ACCEPTABLE worship".

In Isaiah 29:13 God is talking about those who honor Him with their lips. He also mentions IN THE SAME VERSE that the fear of Him is a commandment of MEN/MAN. RSV
---faithforfaith on 5/23/14


Elana that's wonderful, but my point was we need to be a Chrisitan first, not be concerned who's a baptist or methodist,catholic, mormon, etc... WE are the church so WE should be abe to fellowship & lift up one another no matter where we attend. this includes mission trips, soup kitchens, disaster aids etc...
---candice on 5/23/14


Rod4Him said: "Notice, it says, "one another." It doesn't say to sit in a seat and be quite while one person tells you what to do, according to those verses."

True, but it also doesn't say anything about endlessly discussing whether the church you are in is authentic or counterfeit. If a church is teaching the Gospel, that God's love is available to all, then that is a step in the right direction.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 5/23/14


Candice, All respect I visit a mission & love it very simple,not alot of flash does not impress me,help.me be a better Christian. Live for God..love,forgive my enemies.Put God " First in all you do,He will.take care of you".
God bless you!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/22/14


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In Denominations one person does most of the exhorting because most people do not exhort others.

Denominations are supposed to help people and teach people. We can accomplish more helping others together then by ourselves.

But many do not help anyone but themselves. Many denominations teach that we are to make the Pastor rich and you will get rich.

It is through Denominations that the Gospel is preached by missionaries. Yet there are some that are only concerned with themselves and not bringing others to JESUS.

So a denomination can be good or bad. But that is the people who go there's fault. Too many look for an easy get rich me first preaching.

Not look to and follow JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/23/14


Yes. Denominations divide people. the true church are the people. WE are the church. fellowshipping with one another, reading scriptures is what it is about, NOT belonging to a denominatian.
---candice on 5/22/14


//..not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is..//

True, however, if "..and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:...and exhorting one another," doesn't happen, there's no reason to "assemble."

Notice, it says, "one another." It doesn't say to sit in a seat and be quite while one person tells you what to do, according to those verses.
---Rod4Him on 5/22/14


We Christians are called to worship corporately!

...and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

(Hebrews 10:24,25

This is Church, and it needs more than one person to be Church. Otherwise a person is deluding him/her self.
---Monk_Brendan on 5/22/14


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The worship TEMPLE (CHURCH) is the BODY that hung on the cross (JESUS HIMSELF is the worship temple). The group of ALL BELIEVERS 'collectively' is "THE CHURCH".

In John 2:19, Jesus says to tare down the temple/church and He will REconstruct/restore (re-establish) it in THREE DAYS (verse 21 says that "He was speaking of the temple of HIS BODY").

...(you don't "GO TO" the REAL CHURCH).
---faithforfaith on 5/21/14


Those who know there fathers will and do it. Jesus said who do our father will, those are the real church. There not just one denomination, there is a few in every denomination body.
---Bryan on 5/21/14


Don't forget that the Church of Steveng is a worldly denominational church, and by his own standard, a counterfeit.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/21/14


Are today's denominational churches counterfeit churches?
---Steveng on 5/20/14

I think you should pray and ask God if there are any of His children attending denominational churches.

There are Scriptures related to how we should regard other churches:

Rom 16:3-5 "Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, who for my life risked their own necks, to whom not only do I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles, also greet the church that is in their house"

1 Cor. 3:3-4 "For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men? For when one says, I am of Paul, and another, I am of Apollos, are you not mere men?
---Mark_Eaton on 5/21/14


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//Are today's denominational churches counterfeit churches?//

No

//What is the true meaning of the church as written in the bible//

A group of believers who support one another to grow in Christ.

If you view churchs as different maybe you need to find a different church.
---Scott1 on 5/21/14


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