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Biblical Meaning Of Church

Can a person be a christian without being a member of a denomination? What is wrong with just living a christian as dictated by the bible without being a member of an organized denomination? What is the biblical meaning of church compared to how it's used today?

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//Who steal from the poor and yet preach on Television to give them money you will get rich.//

I couldn't agree more, except that they deceive the poor into giving. The power of a person claiming to be speak for God is great.
---Rod4Him on 6/13/14


Samuel, you said, " I am lost because I and my church teach..."

We both know the rest of that sentence should read SDA's teach a lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace. Remember how Francis said "No, No, No" to salvation for anyone who does not obey the law.

SDA's see "good works" as some minimum standard of obedience to the law. In other words "aiming" to obey the law.

BUT, Jesus said our works are to believe on him, John 6:29. These are the good works Christians do. We walk by faith, believing on Jesus. Our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5

Note Gal 3:12 the law is not of faith.
---Haz27 on 6/13/14


Dear Samuel,
You have to get your direction corrected. There is only one kind of Christian, the one who is saved by grace through faith. All others are all fake. So when you speak concerning Christians speak of those who are saved by grace. No use including those who are not. You speak like those in the newspapers, they condemn Christianity for what those who are not Christian are doing. We are Christian, saved by the grace of God. Only true follower's of Christ are Christian. Christians do not do what you say they do. Christians pick up their cross and follow Christ. agape
---Luke on 6/13/14


Samuel, you said:"Has it not been declared here...... a person can do any wrong and it is okay."

I don't recall seeing anyone post what you claim here.

I see that most here see that God disciplines us should we do wrong, just as He did with King David. We do not profit from living selfishly.

As for "sin", scripture tells us we cannot be charged with sin/we cannot sin, Rom 8:33, 1John 3:9.

But as you focus so much on behaviour as proof of "imparted" righteousness, then how is your failure to be perfect any better than a non-SDA Christian's failure?
You say we have to obey the law, yet you yourself are guilty of ALL the law, James 2:10.
---Haz27 on 6/13/14


Dear Luke
I speak against those who live in sin and say it is okay. Who steal from the poor and yet preach on Television to give them money you will get rich.

Forget the fourth commandment for a minute. Most think of the other nine as optional also.

How many rich churches help others? How many church leaders are millionaires?
Has it not been declared here and other places that there is no such thing as sin that a person can do any wrong and it is okay.
When I said Christians will do good works. Have I not been told that I am not a Christian? That I am lost because I and my church teach that those who believe GOD will live for GOD and in love of others?
Good fruit is good works to help others and do right.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/12/14




//Which is what I have been saying. But I am opposed to those who say this and then do nothing. They do not pray or help others they go church sit in pews and cannot wait to go home and watch the game on TV.//

Samuel,
Who are those who say that you become a Christian and you have to do nothing? Who are those people you now say you speak against? I have not read of one of those you mentioned. Good fruits will always follow those who are saved. No fruits follow those who are not saved. You know that, I know that, but you insist there is people out there who are Christian and say they do not do anything? There must be another reason other then the one you gave. Agape
---Luke on 6/12/14


The word 'church' refers to true believers but we use it meaning either a building or a denomination.

After being saved we are not forced to join any particular denomination but we will grow in our faith quicker if we meet regularly with like-minded people.

Many join the denomination through which they were saved whilst others might join one to which friends or family belong.

It can be difficult being a Christian even when a member of a church. Work colleagues, fellow pupils etc. can make life difficult. It would be much more difficult for a 'loner' Christian. We all need fellowship and support.
---Rita_H on 6/11/14


Nana. Flee fornication, 1Cor 6:18, but note 1Cor 6:17 he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.

Under grace Christians are one spirit with the Lord.

The alternative to grace is righteousness by works of the law, symbolized as Hagar, Gal 4:24.

Rom 11:6 says we cannot mix works with grace. To mix them is spiritual fornication with Hagar.

1Cor 5 where one has his father's (the devil, John 8:44) wife (Hagar) is also spiritual. This is confirmed with 1Cor 5:6,7 about leaven which is the doctrine of righteousness by works of the law, Matt 16:12.

Leaven and Hagar are used to refer to doctrines of righteousness by works of the law. Hence we see it's the legalists who are into fornication.
---Haz27 on 6/11/14


1 Corinthians 6:18_20 "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's."

Nothing to do with Hagar there. The conversation concerns physical (body) as well as spiritual. Jesus touched on that, Mark 14:38 "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." Haz27, you are spinning in circles- speaking unfounded nonsense like Lisa.
---Nana on 6/10/14


"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" Eph. 2:10, it is the work of God in a believers life, not the work of man.
Agape Luke

Which is what I have been saying. But I am opposed to those who say this and then do nothing. They do not pray or help others they go church sit in pews and cannot wait to go home and watch the game on TV.

I do not understand why when like on this point and many others I agree and our Church teaching agree you keep coming up with words I have not said.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14




Nana. "Flee fornication" 1Cor 6:18
"resist devil...." James 4:7.
Both are similar warnings.

1Cor 6:18 refers to spiritual fornication with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24.

Regarding James 4:7, firstly consider its context. James 4:4 is addressing those in spiritual adultery with Hagar, symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24.
This is confirmed in James 4:12 confronting legalists under the law.

So we see James 4:7,8 is a salvation call to legalists to get out of their spiritual sexual immorality with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law.
---Haz27 on 6/10/14


1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body, but he that commiteth fornication sinneth against his own body."
1 Corinthians 10:14 "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry."
1 Timothy 6:11 "But thou, O man of God, flee these things, and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness."
2 Timothy 2:22 "Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart."

James expect action also: "James 4:7 "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

The nerve of some people...!!!!
---Nana on 6/10/14


Samuel,
You ignore the work of God in a believers life. You make it sound as if the person is all alone trying to keep the Ten Commandments. To you it's about what you want man to do on their own as if the Spirit of God was not working in the believers life. So you preach the Ten Commandments, and insist others like to break them because they are saved. Only because they do not follow your Saturday Sabbath. If you were speaking for Christ in a believers life, I do not see it anywhere in your answers. We are told,
"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them" Eph. 2:10, it is the work of God in a believers life, not the work of man.
Agape
---Luke on 6/10/14


Samuel, you quote James 1:22 and then said: "Are you a doer of the Law?"

James is NOT referring to the law.
A doer of the word is one who receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls, James 1:21. It refers to believing on Jesus.

We both agree Christians should improve in behavior. But we should not preach condemnation to anyone if they do not reach some minimum standard on law. That would be a lukewarm mix of works with grace.

SDA doctrine fails in that it sees scripture as a natural man would, thus failing to see the spiritual truth. Thus we see SDA's wrongly see works of the law whenever scripture speaks of works of believing on Jesus, John 6:29.
---Haz27 on 6/10/14


James1:22-24
Haz27
Are you a doer of the Law? Do you always tell the truth? Do you always do everything written in the Ten, oops for you let me make it just nine skip the fourth, Commandments?
I am not asking if you are legally perfect which is called Justification in theological terms. Are your actions always loving to others and to GOD? Do you always try to help the poor?
Legalists try to cleanse themselves with the Mirror. Christians are cleansed by the Blood of JESUS to do good works.
1Ti 6:18,19
That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate,
Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


Samuel, you said, "My Goal is to be like JESUS".

Christians are already like Jesus.
The offering of his body already sanctified us (Heb 10:10).
We're already holy because he is holy, Rom 11:16.
We're already righteous because our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.
Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3.
I no longer live but Christ lives in me, Gal 2:20.
We're a new creation, 2Cor 5:17.

Sadly legalists forget all this as they try to prove righteousness by works of the law. Legalists are like the man who sees himself in a mirror and forgets what he looks like when he turns away from it. Legalists are a hearer of the word and not a doer of it, James 1:22-24
---Haz27 on 6/8/14


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Dear Samuel,
After many a questions and answers, a person can get a good feel for what others are doing and answering for. You and Jerry answer for SDA's, 24 hr day, Saturday Sabbaths. Cluny for Eastern Othodox, Ruben, for RCC, Bryan, for Pentecostals, and so on.
The way you approach the Law, tells me you are interested in the law because of the forth commandment. You have to make a case for the law to introduce the forth Commandment. The same for six day of creation and resting on the Seventh day. No one else is in disagreement with you, the only thing different is that you make Saturday a law. We do not make Sunday a Law. We just worship on Sundays. Agape
---Luke on 6/7/14


Samuel
I am going to ask you this question because you have studied about the Sabbath more than most of us.

Can you show me in the Bible when God changed the Sabbath Law?
When did the Sabbath go from a day of rest (Exodus 20:8), to a day of meeting to worship?

Personally, I believe the gathering together on the Sabbath to worship, was a tradition of the Jews and the gentiles continued this tradition.

I do honor the Sabbath every week, but I rest on that day. When one goes to church I see this as a day of worship, not a day of rest, as practiced by Moses and those given the Law.

If I am wrong, can you show me where I am wrong?
---David on 6/7/14


Look, be realistic, everyone struggles with sin. But you are only interested in one, the forth commandment. As if the others do not count. I know your denomination means a whole lot to you, but do not compromise the truth for a denominational doctrine. Luke

I just follow what I read in the Bible. All of the Ten Commandments are equal so I do not fight for just one. Please do not make that false accusation again I beg you.

I am realistic. My Goal is to be like JESUS and be closer to Him every day.

JESUS is more important to me then anything.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/14


Jesus came to fulfill the law but Jesus greatest commandment was to love. if we can love then all other things fall into place. we are to love our neighbor as ourselves.
---shira4368 on 6/6/14


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Dear Samuel,
You first say,
//If we live in sin we will be lost.//

then you admit that you sin and struggle everyday. So what you are now saying is that you are lost? You live in sin everyday, doesn't that make you lost by your own words?
Look, be realistic, everyone struggles with sin. All kinds of sins. It is not about one commandment but about the many we break each day. But you are only interested in one, the forth commandment. As if the others do not count. I know your denomination means a whole lot to you, but do not compromise the truth for a denominational doctrine. Agape
---Luke on 6/6/14


As you can see, Jesus says those who keep his commandments love him. And if you keep his commandments, God the father will love you.

David

Yes we show our love by keeping His commandments. No disagreement.



1John 4:19

We love him, because he first loved us.

We love because GOD loved us and died to save us. That love means we want to do His will.

Now those who choose to not keep his commandments and who hate others and hate GOD. Will suffer the wrath of GOD.

They reject the love of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/14


The other sins count also. I am sure you are not interested in those others that you commit. I might be wrong because I did not asked you before, do you believe you are without sin?
Luke

You are wrong. GOD in Matthew five expounded on them and others. I have spoken many times here on how we are to love others by not just not stealing but giving, not murdering but helping to save their lives and always showing kindness as well as care to others.

If we are not loving we are not following GOD. I am not without sin. I fight my old nature daily.

Luke 9:23

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.
agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/14


//So do not throw out all of GOD's Commandments just because you do not keep the Sabbath.//

Dear Samuel,
I can say the same to you,
"do not throw out all of God's commandments just because you keep the Sabbath?

The other sins count also. I am sure you are not interested in those others that you commit. I might be wrong because I did not asked you before, do you believe you are without sin? Sinless? I should have asked you that first, but forgot. Agape
---Luke on 6/4/14


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We do not live in sin because we love GOD. It is not to earn favor.- Samuel

Samuel
If what you say is true, wouldn't that make what Jesus said in (John 14:21) false?
If not, how do you reconcile what you say here, with what Jesus says there?
(John 14:21) Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.

As you can see, Jesus says those who keep his commandments love him. And if you keep his commandments, God the father will love you.
---David on 6/4/14


Well Luke that is not what I am saying. You may only hear the Sabbath in my words. But all of the Ten and all those laws that are Moral are to be obeyed.

So do not throw out all of GOD's Commandments just because you do not keep the Sabbath.

Dear David

We do not live in sin because we love GOD. It is not to earn favor. If we live in sin we are showing we do not love GOD. We are also showing we do not love others. Both of which are proof that we are not true followers of JESUS.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/14


Samuel
By the word "earn", do you teach it as I do?
That by doing the will of God, doing the good which God puts into our minds, is what brings us into the favor of God?

There are two Laws at work in the heart and mind of the believer. One is the Ten commandments (Do not do evil), and the other is the Law of Christ (Do good)) (Galatians 6:2).

If you do evil (sin), God causes you to feel guilt for what you have done.
If you are commanded to do Good (Render aid to someone in need), and you don't, God will cause you to feel guilt too. This is what God means by writing the Law on our hearts, and this is how we come to know the Law.






---David on 5/31/14


//We believe that those who purposely do not keep the commandments are committing sin. If we live in sin we will be lost.//

Dear Samuel,
What you are really trying to say is, if someone does not keep Saturday Sabbath he is breaking the commandments and so is living in sin and is lost. That is what I hear you saying. Of course you are not including "your" everyday sins right? Those do not count against the SDA's so long as they keep Saturday Sabbath.
Do you not see your fault? For the Sabbath, you override the other sins you commit everyday. Unless you are telling us the SDA's are sinless. I do not think you will go that far. What Happens to God's work in sanctification? You must be working on your own. Agape
---Luke on 5/31/14


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Dear David I believe that you do not understand how Seventh day Adventist understand what being under the law means.

We believe that GOD's commandments are written in our heart by love and that we read the Bible and it tells us what we are not supposed to do.

We believe that those who purposely do not keep the commandments are committing sin. If we live in sin we will be lost.

We understand the term under law as believing that keeping the law helps us earn entrance to heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/14


Josef: "The meaning was the same then as now. The "Church" is the called out body of Christ collectively or individually. Eph 1:21,22 The assembly of believers for worship is also referred to as church. What the church is not, is a building or religious organization. Heb 12:23"

The "church" at Jesus' time was the believers, that's it.

The church today is the buildings and denominations just by the way it's used: "I didn't see you in church today." "Our church has great entertainment and activities." "What church do you belong?"
---Steveng on 5/29/14


Samuel & Rita
I did not write what I said with any malice, just stating facts.
Under the Protestant teachings of Grace, obedience to God is not required for salvation. And if you are not under the Law, as Rita says, there is no punishment for your sin. This is a fact.

If you tell someone from another country, when they are in America, they are not subject to punishment when breaking our driving Laws, but we would still appreciate it if they did the speed limit, will they obey the posted speed limits? No

This is why those who believe they are not under Gods Laws, act no differently, (except they go to church on Saturday/Sunday) than the unbeliever.
---David on 5/30/14


Unfortunately Rita I have heard it many times. As one Believe in once saved always saved told me even if he went around shooting people he would still be saved. Others here have stated that the Ten Commandments are done away with and it does not matter if we follow them or not.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/14


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"They (protestants) believe 'it' (Christ's death) was to take away the Law, so they could sin without any repercussion." How many in this group called 'they' has actually been heard saying such nonsense?

I have NEVER heard that said by ANYONE, EVER.

Christ's death was substitutionary. He died in MY place TAKING MY SINS UPON THE CROSS so that I (Rita H*****) will never have to be punished for them. It was a gift from HIM to ME which I accepted with gratitude. Those who reject that gift will never benefit from it.
---Rita_H on 5/29/14


Yes Cluny there was a visible Israel and as all the Prophets pointed out there many hypocrites in it.

But there is not one church today and each church has Christians in them.

As a Protestant I protest against the accusation that we teach the law is not to be kept.

That is a fairly new Doctrine that has come from Calvinism. Not even Calvin would have agreed with it.

As a Baptist church sign said.

GOD gave Ten Commandments not suggestions.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/14


Cluny
The penalty for sin is death. A sacrifice is made, a life is taken, the debt of sin is paid.
The death of Jesus Christ paid the penalty for our sin.

The problem with the protestant belief, is the reason Jesus paid that debt.
They believe it was to take away the Law, so they could sin without any repercussion.

The real reason Jesus died for our sins, was to remove sin, because sin separates man from God. And unless this sin is removed, man can not be in relationship with God (Isaiah 59:2).

And it is through this relationship, God decides, who he will save.
---David on 5/29/14


Bryan said, "Cluny your good words come with a price. So keep them to yourself. My debt has been paid."

Aren't we told to carry our cross? Aren't we told that we are crucified with Christ?

Being a Christian has a price! We cannot live like hell six days of the week and live for heaven on Sunday. We cannot turn against our brother and rend him and expect to be greeted with "Well done, thou good and faithful servant." We are called to love God with all our heart, soul, will and strength AND love our neighbor as ourselves. All of these require a price, and it is not Jesus who is called to pay it, but you.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 5/28/14


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\\The reason people talk about the visible and invisible church is that we understand all those who assemble in a Building may call themselves Christians but some are hypocrites and false followers.\\

Was there an invisible Israel?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/14


The reason people talk about the visible and invisible church is that we understand all those who assemble in a Building may call themselves Christians but some are hypocrites and false followers.

The invisible church known only to GOD is all those who truly love GOD and love others.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/28/14


Good explanation of "church," michael e.
---Rod4Him on 5/27/14


The word "church" doesn't always mean Christians .
"ekklesia" or "assembly" referred to a group that was predominantly pagan in Acts 19:32, 39, and 41. Acts 7:38, Stephen refers to the "church" in the wilderness during Israel's wandering. Certainly these people were not Christians. For the most part, they were not even believing Israelites. In Hebrews 3:16-19, they are characterized largely by unbelief. This usage is so common in the Bible that some people are confused in those few cases when the word is referring to a group that is not all believers. So be careful not to assume too much when we see the word "church". It usually refers to an assembly of Christians, but not always
---michael_e on 5/27/14


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We were lost in sin and the penalty for sin is death. So
Christ died for us. He paid the Penalty for our sins.

Rom 5:6

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Rom 5:8

But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1Co 15:3

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,
---Samuelbb7 on 5/27/14


Matthew 1:21. He shall save His people from their sin. How did he do that? He died on across. He pd a debt I could not pay. That should be plain enough.
---shira4368 on 5/27/14


\\Why did Jesus die on the cross? To pay a price you could not pay. \\

Please give the exact book, chapter, and verse that say that, Bryan.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/14


So many denominations and one Truth. Isn't the division between all these denominations, caused by the doctrines they teach?
If they all taught one Truth, taught by Christ, would we have this division?

Which church should we attend?
---David on 5/27/14


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Dear Cluny

We can pay our debts to others depending on what the debt is.

But we are due death as it is the wages of sin. Only our death or the death of the Son of GOD can pay that debt.


Heb 9:14

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


1Pe 1:19

But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
---Samuelbb7 on 5/26/14


Oh cluny you and your religion. Why did Jesus die on the cross? To pay a price you could not pay. You cann't die and go to hell and come back redeemed. That took Jesus to pay that price for you. That is a debt you will never be able to pay. Cause your brother Adam gave your birth rights to satan. Jesus gives you your birth rights back to you. If you believe him.
---Bryan on 5/26/14


"Can a person be a christian without being a member of a denomination?" Yes. "Now you are the body of Christ, and members in particular."1Co 12:27
"What is wrong with just living a christian as dictated by the bible without being a member of an organized denomination?" Nothing.
"What is the biblical meaning of church compared to how it's used today?"
The meaning was the same then as now. The "Church" is the called out body of Christ collectively or individually. Eph 1:21,22 The assembly of believers for worship is also referred to as church. What the church is not, is a building or religious organization. Heb 12:23
---Josef on 5/26/14


Jesus paid the debt for my sin. All I had to do is be born of the Spirit. We cannot pay any debt to Christ. My sin is covered by the blood of the lamb. I'm eternally secure. That is not a License to sin. There is a penalty for our sin in the flesh.
---shira4368 on 5/26/14


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Mark Eaton: "You need to be in constant contact with other Believers, to assist them..,

How do you do that without being part of a group of Believers?"

Easy, it's call friendship and knowing your neighbors. I never ever said in all my posts or otherwise that christians should not assemble, I'm all for it. Remember: WHEREVER two or more are gathered.., a park, a street corner, local cafe, or in one's home. I often invite people to my home in Jesus' name or I'm invited to some's home for dinner in Jesus' name. I've also been tutoring for thirty seven years and instead of charging from $45 to $65 for my services like my competitors, I get fed. A wonderful arrangement.
---Steveng on 5/25/14


\\So your religion tells you your debt is not paid until you do what for the Lord. My debt is paid so I can do things that glorify God.\\

I don't know where you got the idea that YOUR debt was paid.

Are these verses not in your Bible? Matthew 5:

25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

In other words, some debts YOU have to pay.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/14


So your religion tells you your debt is not paid until you do what for the Lord. My debt is paid so I can do things that glorify God.
---Bryan on 5/25/14


One can have all the knowledge of the world, know more words than the most learned person and can be the strongest of leaders, but yet one can have a speech impediment.


Exodus 4:10: Moses initially resists being Gods messenger because of his speech, saying: Please, O Lord, I have never been a man of words. I am heavy of mouth and heavy of tongue. which most torah scholars attributed to studdering. There are several other theories, though, of the meaning of "heavy of mouth" and "heavy of tongue."
---Steveng on 5/25/14


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\\Cluny your good words come with a price. So keep them to yourself. My debt has been paid.
---Bryan on 5/24/14\\

Do you know what you mean by that? I don't.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/14


Dear Mark E.
Your answer is the best. Love it. Agape
---Luke on 5/25/14


Mu mu mu Moses did not have a speech impediment. What he said to God was how will be able to speech to the leader of the world. What did God say to Moses "I will give
"here is that word again GIVE"
you the words to say.
---Bryan on 5/25/14


Speaking of Moses:
Acts 7:22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
---trey on 5/25/14


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Moses was not perfect. He studdered, had a speech impediment, and didn't have the gift of speech.
---Steveng on 5/24/14


Cluny your good words come with a price. So keep them to yourself. My debt has been paid.
---Bryan on 5/24/14


\\Maybe he should ride you some more so you would learn a little humility.
---Bryan on 5/24/14\\

Fine with me. And when He does, I'll put in a good word for you, Bryan.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/24/14


Maybe he should ride you some more so you would learn a little humility.
---Bryan on 5/24/14


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"For that matter, making frequently misspelled postings of pious platitudes doesn't make you a preacher, either. ---Cluny on 5/22/14"

Being educated and good at spelling is now a prerequisite for being a preacher???

Acts 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled, and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
---trey on 5/24/14


Sarcastic as usual cluny
---shira4368 on 5/24/14


\\Being a smart donkey does not make a saint either.
---Bryan on 5/23/14
\\

Jesus had an affinity for donkeys. He rode one into Jerusalem one day, remember?

And Balaam's donkey spoke in a language she had never used before, either. Did that work any change in her nature?

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/23/14


Being a smart donkey does not make a saint either.
---Bryan on 5/23/14


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\\Going in a building were they talk about God does not make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage and were they talk about cars makes you a mechanic.
---Bryan on 5/22/14\\

For that matter, making frequently misspelled postings of pious platitudes doesn't make you a preacher, either.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/22/14


The bride of Jesus Christ.
---Bryan on 5/22/14


What is wrong with just living a christian as dictated by the bible without being a member of an organized denomination?
---Steveng on 5/21/14

You need to be in constant contact with other Believers, to assist them, help bear their burdens, to receive edification and exhortation from them. And not just online as here, but in real face-to-face life. Where someone can stick a finger in your face and rebuke you when you need it. Where you can come alongside and help when needed. Real relationship with love patterned after the relationship of Our Father in Heaven, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

How do you do that without being part of a group, a group of Believers? That group of Believers is called a church, denomination or not.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/22/14


There's an ancient Christian saying: "Unus Christianus, nullus Christianus."

It can be translated as "Nobody is a Christian all by himself."

In fact, in early centuries, the punishment for grave sins such as burning the incense and saying, "Kyrios Kaisar" was exclusion from the worship of the local congregation for years--sometimes until the moment of death.

\\We have hypocrites in my church just like every other church in the world.
\\

Quite right, Samuel. That's the wonderful thing. No matter how full of hypocrites a church is, there's ALWAYS room for one more.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/22/14


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Going in a building were they talk about God does not make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage and were they talk about cars makes you a mechanic.
---Bryan on 5/22/14


YES! Denominations divide people. The only member roll we should be on is Gods book. We shouldn't forsake gatheirng with fellowship though, but doesnt mean you have to be an official member if you attend.
---candice on 5/22/14


//Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.//

That's not a complete sentence/thought. The previous verse states the reason for "assembling." If the reason doesn't happen, then there is no reason to "assemble."

One can be a faithful believer without "belonging" to an "organized denomination," which is usually defined by church names in a phone book.

Church is another name for "assembly," a group of believers.
---Rod4Him on 5/22/14


Hebrews 10:25

Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is, but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Yes we all need to belong to a denomination. We cannot survive all on our own. While I like Cluny am proud of my denomination. I also recognize that not all members of my church are true Christians. We have hypocrites in my church just like every other church in the world.

But there are true followers in all church also.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/14


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The Bible tells us forsake not the assembling of yourselves as is the manner of some. You don't have to be in a church to be saved but if in one afterward the fellowship of the believers helps you because you have their support in times of need.
---Darlene_1 on 5/22/14


Col 1:17,18
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church

Christ is not divided, as those boasting about the alleged "authority" of their own church, would have us believe.
1Cor 1:12
"Now I say this, that each of you says, I am of Paul, or I am of Apollos, or I am of Cephas, or I am of Christ. Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?"
---Haz27 on 5/22/14


two part answer:
Yes, you are saved completely just by the blood of Christ alone.

No, because it is a pride thing and isolation away from the people of Christ is the first step into sin, (a friend has gone down that path now and it started with "I want to sleep in on Sunday") A church body challenges you to get out of your comfort zone, so that you grow, self deception is horrible.
I am in three churchs right now, NewSpring for service and being part of something bigger than myself, Guys community group (about 6-7 guys Bible Study) where life happens and we learn from each other in hopes and failures, and Grace Church.
The biblical meaning of church has not changed even though there maybe bad examples of church.
---Scott1 on 5/22/14


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