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How long was man "Adam" on the earth before he disobeyed the word?

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'Genesis 2:23 is not concerned with when Eve was created, but is a more detailed account of her earlier creation'- Warwick.

This is a load of fundamentalist philosophical tosh! Does the fundamentalist Warwick believe Adam and Eve were both created during the 6th day but didn't know of eachothers existence until sometime after the 6th day!? This is hilarious!

Why would God not have brought Eve to Adam immediately after her creation in the 6th day? God created the woman from the man's rib '...and brought her to the man'- Gen.2:22. During the 6th day, God allowed Eden 'to grow', created Adam who then 'cultivated Eden' and named the animals- no wonder he exclaimed 'at LONG last' ('pa'amah') when he met Eve- Gen.2:23.
---David8318 on 6/11/14


Warwick. your 'little tirade' is just that... little. Your fundamentalist rantings are little consequence and are laughable. In terms of any scriptural discussion, you have next to nothing to offer. But of course you must tow the fundamentalist C & MA party line for fear of being booted out.

There is everything to gain by believing God's creative 'days' are not 24hrs. Noteably the fact we are still living in God's 'rest' period as Paul discussed at Heb.4:10. Unlike the previous 6 days which all ended with 'evening and morning', this has not yet been said regarding the '7th day of rest'. You and your fundamentalist cohorts thus catastrophically miss the meaning of what true Christians should be doing during God's '7th day of rest'.
---David8318 on 6/11/14


Warwick- you are a man of limited knowledge if you believe God is confined to days of 24hours.

The use of 'morning' and 'evening' by Moses in both Genesis and Psalms 90 regarding God's creative activity are allegoric. They do not mean literally 24hr periods.

Yes Eve was created in the 6th day. Genesis to your discomfort details Adams reaction to 'at long last' ('pa'amah'- Gen.2:23) eventually being presented with Eve... this occurring after God had planted Eden & allowing time to 'let it grow' (Gen.2:9), after Adam named all the animals, and after being put to sleep in order to create Eve. All this in 24hours?

Warwick- you have no understanding of God's unlimited power and patience.
---David8318 on 6/11/14


David, you must be a delicate little flower if you consider that which I have written to be a "tirade." Tirade "a protracted speech usually marked by intemperate, vituperative, or harshly censorious language." You don't even know the meaning of the word!

BTW Genesis 2:23 is not concerned with when Eve was created, but is a more detailed account of her earlier creation. Genesis 1:27 records her creation, on day 6, the same day as Adam was created. God says He created in 6 days, the same as we live today. If you choose to restrict God as to what He can or cannot do in 24hrs that is your privilege. However it shows you have little understanding of God's unlimited power.
---Warwick on 6/11/14


David, I believe your are wrong concerning Psalm 90. I believe the Psalmist was talking of a 24hr day-that from God's perspective man's life is fleeting, just as is grass. "They are like a breath, their days are like a fleeting shadow" Psalm 144:4.

As Professor Marcus Dods of New College Edinburg once said "...if for example the word "day" in these chapters (Genesis) does not mean a period of twenty-four hours, the interpretation of Scripture is hopeless." Likewise if an evening and a morning cannot be taken as that (the two parts of a 24hr day) then Scripture is meaningless. Do you know evening and morning without 'day' are used 38 times outside of Genesis and it always indicates an ordinary day.
---Warwick on 6/11/14




StrongAxe,
Considering God created the "beasts" the same day, there was no time for speciation. The species, kinds, and individual beasts were one and the same.
So, if God created beasts to produce after their kind, He only needed one set to start with, just as went into Noah's ark.
There are definitely not "millions" of beast kinds.
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Last time I checked there are about 500 different kinds of beasts and birds, including reptiles and amphibians.
Speciation started with one kind, so one kind, species, individual is all Adam needed to name.
---micha9344 on 6/11/14


How long was man "Adam" on the earth before he disobeyed the word?

Genesis 5:3 is the very first time man's age is mentioned in the Bible. It says Adam was 130 years old. Based on God's word, the most correct answer any of us can give is ADAM WAS ON THE EARTH LESS THAN 130 YEARS BEFORE HE DISOBEYED (SINNED AGAINST) GOD.

Thx Kathr (5/27)! :)
---Leon on 6/7/14


micha9344:

If you had the task to name every species on the planet, how long do you think it would take you? Considering that there are millions of them, it would likely take you considerably longer than a few hours - and it would have taken Adam considerably long as well. And this is only for naming species. If you take Genesis 2:20 extremely literally, "naming every beast" (i.e. every specific beast) rather than just naming every kind of beast, it would have taken much longer than that.
---StrongAxe on 6/7/14


'2 Peter 3:8 actually says a day and a thousand years are the same to God'- Warwick.

More interestingly, Moses when praising God's creative activity wrote at Psalms 90:4 that 'a thousand years... is like a day'. And in comparing the life span of man like grass, Moses says in verse 6, 'though in the morning it springs up new, by evening it is dry and withered'. Moses use of 'morning' and 'evening' is not arbitrarily limited to 24hours. Here as in Genesis chapter 1, Moses' use of 'morning' and 'evening' can span many years.

Warwick's little tirade against my belief is typical of a fundamentalist who has lost the plot and the argument.
---David8318 on 6/5/14


"Context suggests Adam waited months if not years before Eve was created."-David8318 on 6/4/14
Gen 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Only your interpretation suggests years and months, more than likely from a false idea being implanted into the scripture.
How much more grammatical context do you need to accept the fact that God defined days according to His creative week?
It is God who limited Himself to 6 days, not 6 seconds nor 6 millennia, but He chose to set time for man, as is referenced on day 6 with all the elements needed: Man, Earth, Sun, Evening, Morning, # yom.
---micha9344 on 6/5/14




Warwick- anyone conversant with Genesis 1 is aware it is about God's creative activity. God's activity is not subject to 'days of any length'.

You rightly point out events of the 6th day- 'And animals upon the earth... And finally He made man'. But that's not all the events of the 6th day. God also planted a garden, let it grow, Adam told to name all the animals and then God put Adam to sleep and created Eve.

When Adam woke up, Adam used the Hebrew word 'pa'amah', which means "at LONG last"- Gen.2:23 ['at length': Brown-Driver-Briggs]. If Adam had only to wait a few hours before meeting Eve, it is unlikely he would have used this word. Context suggests Adam waited months if not years before Eve was created.
---David8318 on 6/4/14


David, there you go spouting about something mysterious when in the past you have rejected anything mysterious!

The Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament by Koehler & Baumgartner is far from mysterious!

2 Peter 3:8 actually says a day and a thousand years are the same to God-Why? Because He is outside time.

As a JW you are forced to follow the WTS line on Scripture or be disfellowshipped you therefore are not free to take it as written.
That God is eternal means He does not live in time. He therefore does not live in days of any length. That the days of creation (as referred to in Exodus 20:11) are earth-days is obvious to anyone who has read Genesis ch.1, as I have demonstrated below.
---Warwick on 6/4/14


Micha- Warwick is not quoting the historical Genesis account. Warwick is quoting a mysterious 'Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon', of which Warwick is yet to tell us the name of this Lexicon. Genesis doesn't say a day with God is 24hrs. No where in the Bible does it say this.

The Bible doesn't even say a day with God is 'like' 24hrs. The Bible says, 'a thousand years... [to God] is like a day'- Ps.90:4. No human has ever lived to a 1000 years or more. Thus a day with God is beyond the human experience.

Warwick- I'm still interested to know the name of this 'Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon' you're quoting?
---David8318 on 6/4/14


We are still trying to figure out how long a day is with God. All we know is with us, is a 24 hour period. I don't think you can put God in a 24 hour period. I do believe everything is subject to him. Time was made for us not him.
---Bryan on 6/3/14


David, Christians know God is eternal therefore not living days of any length, as days do not exist in eternity.

Anyone conversant with Genesis ch. 1 is aware it is about earth-bound events i.e.:

God created the earth

He created light making night and day-upon the earth.

God caused the dry ground of earth to appear

He created vegetation upon the earth.

And stars, sun, and the moon all casting light upon the earth. To mark seasons, days and years-upon the earth. To govern the day and the night-upon the earth.

And animals upon the earth.

And finally He made man to live, where? Upon the earth.

The days of Exodus 20:11 are therefore earth days.
---Warwick on 6/3/14


So, Warwick points to the historic literature of Genesis, where God defines a normal day with an evening, a morning, daylight, and nighttime as one day inside the creative activity.
Whereas, David points to the poetic literature of Psalms trying to define a "creative day" with terms such as "like."
Quite interesting. We have had this discussion before about grammar and it's uses.
"Like" doesn't seem to be a very specific term when defining something.
It also seems funny that God would have Genesis penned in human language to express His timing in human terms that should only be understood outside of Earth, as He makes Earth and everything in it, including how we should tell time.
---micha9344 on 6/3/14


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'The Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament gives Genesis 1:5 as "a day of 24hrs." '- Warwick.

So Warwick cannot point to any scripture that says a day with God is 24hrs. Warwick can only refer to an uninspired Lexicon in support of his theory. Which Hebrew-Amaraic lexicon is this?

On the otherhand, the Bible tells us regarding God's creative activity that 'a thousand years... is like a day'- Ps.90:4 (NIV). Written by Moses no less.

The Israelites knew a day on earth was from evening to evening. How long a day with God lasted was irrelevant. God instructed Israel to model their week on his creative 'week', irrespective of how long God's creative week was. Timing was not the issue... what happened was.
---David8318 on 6/3/14


David, in Exodus 20 God was referring to the 6 creation days and 1 of rest, on earth, obviously . If day-length was unknowable they would have been executed for working on the Sabbath. But they weren't because they (unlike you) knew what one day meant! On earth He first created light bringing light and darkness, day and night upon the earth, just as we see today. He then says "and there was evening and there was morning-the first day." The underlying Hebrew says "one day", the time taken for the earth to complete 1 revolution, in relation to a fixed light source. The Hebrew-Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament gives Genesis 1:5 as "a day of 24hrs."
---Warwick on 6/2/14


David you wrote "Warwick... show me from scripture where it says a day with God is 24 hours?"

I already have, on another thread.
---Warwick on 6/2/14


Luke, the Saturday Sabbath in the Middle-East begins around sunset on Friday and ends around sunset on Saturday. So for them Saturday begins at sunset Friday, whereas for us Saturday begins midnight Friday. SDA's (though I cannot speak for all of them) hold the Sabbath (Friday sunset to Saturday sunset) in high esteem, as a time set aside to worship, pray, and rest. I am not Adventist but have been invited to preach in many of their churches. They hold Saturday morning Bible study, then a service. Many of them then have a communal lunch, often with another service afterwards. Maybe they only do that when a special speaker is there. I hope that answers your question.
---Warwick on 6/2/14


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'the Israelites could not have known when the Sabbath was'- Warwick.

Of course the Israelites would have known! Warwick supposes Israel did not understand the difference between God's count of time and that of man's. The Israelites knew God is outside the human count of time.

Israel under Moses knew a day with God is not arbitrarily 24 hrs long. Moses wrote regarding God's creative activity 'a thousand years... is like a day'- Ps.90:4. God was not commanding Israel at Ex.20 to do something they already knew. God was telling them how to structure their week, to model it on His creative 'week'. To suppose God's creative week must be the same duration as man's simply because of the comparison at Ex.20 is a shallow conclusion.
---David8318 on 6/2/14


Dear Warwick,
Maybe I did not explain it very well. Sometimes it is hard to bring about a clear question.
Are you saying that SDA's go to church and worship God on Fridays, after 12 pm, and worship until Saturday morning? Or do they forget Friday evening and worship Saturday morning only?
And where do they get Saturday Sabbath if the Sabbath for them starts on Friday? Agape
---Luke on 6/2/14


Warwick... show me from scripture where it says a day with God is 24 hours?
---David8318 on 6/2/14


Luke, for those who celebrate the Saturday Sabbath (including SDA's) it begins at evening on Friday, and ends at evening on Saturday. In the middle-east each day begins at evening, just as Genesis 1:5 says. Do you understand what I am saying, Saturday (for them) begins Friday at evening, around sunset, and ends Saturday evening around sunset.
---Warwick on 6/1/14


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Cluny, of course God does not measure time as we do, in fact God is eternal, i.e. timeless, as 2 Peter 3:8 shows. Being outside of time He does not live days of any length. He wrote Scripture for us, in our terms-day, night, sunrise, sunset.

The first ever day (Genesis 1:5) concerns only the earth, as His definition shows. Further His Sabbath command (Exodus 20:8-11) is based upon the fact that He created in 6 earth days. If these are not earth-days then the commandment is meaningless, the Israelites could not have known when the Sabbath was, and would have been executed for working upon it-Exodus 31:15.

Oh what a tangle we conceive when first we practise to deceive!
---Warwick on 6/1/14


David I suppose you know God created time, not man. In Genesis 1:5 He says evening and the morning make 1 day, the first day, on earth, not anywhere else. He continues, explaining He created everything in 6-days, resting the 7th. Scripture is "God breathed" for man-2 Timothy 3:16,17. And written in human terms i.e. day, night, sunset and sunrise. Therefore 6-days refers to earth days, not to eternal God who does not exist in days of any length. As Creator of time He obviously predates time.

You are correct we do all know how long 6-days are as God has told us. Show me from Scripture or grammar that 6-days are not 6-24hr days.
---Warwick on 6/1/14


'Therefore when God says He created in 6-days why do you ask Him: how long are your days?'- Warwick.

This is another example of where fundamentalists completely miss the point. There is no point asking 'how long are your days' because God is not confined to time.

If Warwick said he is going away for 6 days of course everyone will know how long that is. Warwick assumes God is on the same level as man. Almighty God is not a man and never will be and is thus not subject to the time constraints as humans. The ordinal numeracy used in Genesis (1st, 2nd, 3rd etc...) denotes not time, but order of events. Its what occurred during each creative 'day' that matters, not how long it took.
---David8318 on 6/1/14


\\Therefore when God says He created in 6-days why do you ask Him: how long are your days?\\

Because there are at least two places in the Bible were it say,s that God doesn't measure time as we do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/14


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This is clearly a question for some (as the Spirit leads) & not for others who are dull of hearing. There's nothing in the Bible that's unimportant!
---Leon on 5/31/14


//In middle-east each day begins at evening, therefore the Saturday Sabbath begins Friday evening. Just as God says "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day." A 24hr day.//

Dear Warwick,
If you go by what you just said the Bible says, do you suggest that SDA's worship from Friday evenings to Saturday mornings? or just Saturday's? You had asked a question concerning how long a day is, so I ask you this question. Hope it does not upset you for asking. Not trying to argue, just thought about what you just said concerning how long a day is. I myself believe a day is 24 hours as you do. Agape
---Luke on 6/1/14


"How long was man "Adam" on the earth before he disobeyed the word?"

I don't know because, as far as I know the bible does not make that clear.

That being the case I assume that it is not of importance for us to know. God would have made it clear if we needed to know.

There are a great many things we will never know. We don't need to know many things and if I can see no importance in knowing I don't fret about it
.
Those who don't believe that 'day' means 24 hours will give a very different answer from those who believe it does.
---Rita_H on 5/31/14


Cluny, you certainly are entertaining. Some things you write are quite intelligent while at other times you express very limited understanding. Playing games perhaps? Or challenged?

It appears your abilities plunge whenever you discuss anything concerning Genesis. Interesting.

But to answer your question: no Malachi 4:5 is not an example of a 24hr day. You should know that as the definition of what constitutes a 24hr day has been given on these pages many times.

Let me ask you a simple question: if I said I was going away for 6-days would you ask me how long my days are? Of course you wouldn't as people would laugh at you. Therefore when God says He created in 6-days why do you ask Him: how long are your days?
---Warwick on 5/31/14


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\\I am not sure what the importance of this blog question might be. Can somebody tell me?
---love.jesus on 5/3\\

I see your point. Any answer would be speculation.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/14


In the Gospels, Jesus told the Jews, "Abraham rejoiced to see My day."

Did He mean just a 24 hour period?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/31/14


"...I am not sure what the importance of this blog question might be. Can somebody tell me?"
---love.jesus on 5/31/14


It seems Bryan wants to know how long A & E were in the Garden of Eden before they sinned & were expelled out of the garden.
---Leon on 5/31/14


\\But anyway, I have answered your question whether 'the Lord's Day' is 24 hours in my previous post- whether its Mic.4:5 (?) or Rev.1:10.\\

Sorry. I meant to say MALACHI 4:5.

Thanks for drawing my attention to my error.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/14


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I am not sure what the importance of this blog question might be. Can somebody tell me?
---love.jesus on 5/31/14


David, I truly respect your dogged determination, even though you are wrong.

As anyone knows when we combine the word 'day' with 6, or 6th we mean 6-24hr days. If I said I am going away for 6 days, would you ask-how long are your days? Of course not!

The Holman Bible Dictionary p.397 gives Genesis 1:5 ("and there was evening and there was morning-the first day") as the prime example of a 24hr day.

In middle-east each day begins at evening, therefore the Saturday Sabbath begins Friday evening. Just as God says "And there was evening and there was morning-the first day." A 24hr day.
---Warwick on 5/31/14


David, where did you get the idea that Revelation 1:10 says all the events catalogued in the book of revelation occurred in one 24hr day?
---Warwick on 5/31/14


'There are several events in the Bible called "The Day of the Lord." One of them is in Michah 4:5'- Cluny.

Not sure you've got the right scripture here? Micah 4:5? What translation are you using? But anyway, I have answered your question whether 'the Lord's Day' is 24 hours in my previous post- whether its Mic.4:5 (?) or Rev.1:10.

Warwick uses a good illustration when he compares 'day' to the expression, 'in my fathers day'. This is not a 24 hr period, but describes 'when' he was alive. I believe this suitably discribes the way I and many other Christians view not only 'the Lord's Day', but also God's creative 'days'. Activities that occurred "when" God was creating.
---David8318 on 5/30/14


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\\Is this a reference to Revelation 1:10, 'the Lord's day\\

No.

There are several events in the Bible called "The Day of the Lord." One of them is in Michah 4:5.

This is not the only one.

So, to repeat my question, is this Day of the Lord just 24 hours long?

Happy Ascension!

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/14


David & Cluny: You are grasping at straws. The issue here is the length of "days" at the time of creation. God Himself made the matter clear when He wrote with His own finger in stone "I did it in six days - count them - then rested on the seventh day." [JMV] Can you count 1000-year days? You won't even last through the first one.



---jerry6593 on 5/30/14


David, I note your perjorative use of 'fundamentalists.' In reality Fundamentalists are people who hold to the fundamental truths of Scripture.

I am sure Cluny is not referring to Revelation 1:10, "the Lords day" which is a specific day, Saturday or Sunday, depending upon the individuals belief. Saturday or Sunday are of course 24hr days.

So you those nasty fundamentalists who plague your dreams would believe "the Lords day" (Revelation 1:10 when John was "in the Spirit" and heard God speaking) is a 24hr day, but that has nothing to do with the time-spread of the events catalogued in Revelation.

Where did you get that idea?
---Warwick on 5/29/14


The three dictionary definitions of 'day' have been given here many times. Michael has (below) given a very straight forward explanation of what defines a 24hr day.

Therefore "the day" in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 "..the day of the Lord will come..." is not a 24hr day. It is more in line with the saying "In my fathers day" which obviously does not mean he only lived 24hrs, but means 'when' he was alive.

The various meanings of the word 'day' hold no problem for those who accept the straight-forward meaning of God's word, those who are not endeavouring to force worldly philosophies upon Scripture.
---Warwick on 5/29/14


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'Is the Day of the Lord just 24 hours long?'- Cluny.

Is this a reference to Revelation 1:10, 'the Lord's day'.

One would need to ask will the events in Revelation happen in a 24 hour period? All the fundamentalists commenting here will likely say "yes".

The events recorded in Revelation I believe will occur over many years including 'the Lords' (Christ's) 1000 year reign- Rev.20. Christ is 'Lord of the Sabbath' (Mt.12:8), which refers to Jehovah God's 'sabbath resting' or 7th day of rest which is still in progress- Heb.4:10.

I understand 'day' in the Genesis account of creation in the same way I understand the way 'day' is used at Rev.1:10. 'Day' in both cases is not a 24 hour period.
---David8318 on 5/29/14


Concerning "day":

Gen 1:3-5

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
---Chria9396 on 5/29/14


Is the Day of the Lord just 24 hours long?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/14


It is quite simple to tell what the word "day" means in context, for it is the context that determines the definition.
How are we to know when "day" means an ordinary "24-hour" day?
These references may help:
When "day" is associated with a cardinal or ordinal number.-day one, second day, three days, etc.
When "day" is associated with both darkness and light.-evening and morning, day one.
When "day" is associated only with night, it is an ordinary day.
I hope this helps weed out the outside influences from the clear grammatical statements that Gen 1 makes.
God, in Gen 1, is setting up how we, as humans, were to tell time.
Adam knew what a "day" was.
---micha9344 on 5/29/14


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1 Thessalonians 5:5
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Children of the day....love it!
---kathr4453 on 5/29/14


'most of the time when God says "day" He means just that - "day"?'- Jerry.

Yes, and sometimes (perhaps not "most" times) when God says "day" he does not mean a 24 hour period. When do you accept a "day" with God is not to be taken literally Jerry?

In relation to God's creative activity, Moses wrote, 'a thousand years... is like a day'- Ps.90:4 (NIV).

The whole creative 'week' is summed up as one all embracing "day", 'in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens'- Ge.2:4 (KJV). Are we to conclude that Gen.2:4 means God created heaven and earth and everything else in "just that- a "day". I think not.
---David8318 on 5/29/14


'...concerning dates and times, He tells them in regards to Earth time'- micha.

Yes, agreed but when discussing time in relation to God it is different & cannot be measured in relation to the earth's rotation around the sun. The verses you cite (Gen.7:4, Nu.11:19) are specific to man's count of time not God's. God is not confined to man's count of time because God is not a man on earth.

When exemplifying God's creative activity the Bible tells us, 'a thousand years [to God] is like a day'- Ps.90:4 (NIV).

You make the same mistake as Jerry regarding Exodus 20. God is not teaching how long his creative 'week' lasted. God is commanding Israel how to structure their week. Timing was not the issue- they already knew.
---David8318 on 5/29/14


David: Sucking eggs notwithstanding, you seem to be admitting that God meant ordinary ~24-hour days when the wrote the Fourth Commandment. And, it seems that you have even adopted His 7-day week. Why then is it so difficult for you to comprehend that most of the time when God says "day" He means just that - "day"?



---jerry6593 on 5/29/14


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Ps 90:4 has nothing to do with how long a day is but, that God does not change and that we can change our mind a quickly as a day does.
---Scott1 on 5/28/14


/Does Jerry honestly believe God counts time the same way man does?-\David8318 on 5/28/14
When God tells His people concerning dates and times, He tells them in regards to Earth time.
Gen 7:4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights...
Num 11:19 Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days,
Exodus 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
--It is interesting how the Lord blessed (past tense) and hallowed (past tense) when some say the seventh day not done.
All else is man's teaching.
---micha9344 on 5/28/14


'BTW, how long is your work week?'- Jerry.

How long is my work week? About 45 hours give or take 1 or 2. What's the point of the question? Does Jerry honestly believe God counts time the same way man does?

Jerry's 'childish' question reveals he has completely missed the point of Exodus 20:9-11. The length of God's creative 'day' was not on the agenda. God instructed the Israelites at Exodus 20 how to structure their working week, and to keep the 7th day holy. Ex.20 is not a lesson in sucking eggs- telling the Israelites what they already knew. Israel already knew thier day was 24hrs.

And Israel under Moses already knew regarding God's creative activities: 'a thousand years... is like a day'- Ps.90:4 (NIV).
---David8318 on 5/28/14


\\You say, 'Ps. 90/89, however I believe was by David'. What brings you to this conclusion?
---David8318 on 5/28/14\\

If I am mistaken, it's not the first time.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/28/14


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Why have the SDA's again taken over this blog? It has nothing to do with Bryan's question!
---anonymous on 5/28/14


David: Yawn. OK, how long is your week? 7000 years? Your arguments appear childish to me. A day can represent a thousand years in Bible prophecy, but not in a specific Commandment that addresses the work week. What is your motive?



---jerry6593 on 5/28/14


'I never said the entire Psalter was the work of David'- Cluny.

In every Bible translation I can see, the superscription for Psalms 90 attributes the writer to Moses.

Superscription for Psalms 90: 'A prayer of Moses the man of God'- NIV, NKJV, RSV, Douay, Holman, Wycliffe, and Jerusalem Bible just to name a few.

Even the Septuagint (LXX) has at Psalms 90 'The prayer of Moses the man of God'. Moses exalts God's creation saying, 'For a thousand years in thy sight are as the yesterday which is past'- Ps.90:4 (LXX).

You say, 'Ps. 90/89, however I believe was by David'. What brings you to this conclusion?
---David8318 on 5/28/14


/But I believe God's day of rest is still ongoing and will last until the end of Christs 1000 year reign\-David8318 on 5/25/14
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
--I choose to believe Jesus on this one.
--I believe, since Satan is void of patience, yet it is the Father's decision, that Adam fell in the seventh day, an ordinary day set for man and Adam was there to experience this normal day, which happened to be the sixth day after the first.
---micha9344 on 5/28/14


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\\Psalms was written over a 1000 year period by Moses, Asaph, the sons of Korah, Heman as well as David. For Cluny to think Psalms was written in the days of King David reveals an unsurprising lack of scriptural comprehension.\\

I never said the entire Psalter was the work of David. I'm aware that it had several authors.

I believe it's Psalm 91 in the Hebrew, 90 in the LXX, that is by Moses.

Ps. 90/89, however I believe was by David.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/14


'I don't think that Psalm was written until the time of King David'- Cluny.

Psalms was written over a 1000 year period by Moses, Asaph, the sons of Korah, Heman as well as David. For Cluny to think Psalms was written in the days of King David reveals an unsurprising lack of scriptural comprehension. Contrary to Cluny's belief, the the writer of Psalms 90 is attributed to Moses.

Neither Moses statement of God's count of time nor that of the apostle Peter (2Pe.3:8) has anything to do with the Bible teaching of Christ's 1000yr reign- discussed in detail at Revelation 20. Cluny's inability to see the difference between the two is evident in his inability to determine the authorship of the Psalms.
---David8318 on 5/27/14


\\Moses and the Israelites already knew that a 'thousand years' to God is like 'a day', or a watch during the night- Ps.90:4\\

I don't think that Psalm was written until the time of King David. (Admittedly a minor point.)

However, St. Peter says the same thing in one of his letters--and the context is talking about the Final Days.

So much for those looking for a literal earthly millennium.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/27/14


Bryan, Gen 5:3 And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. So Cain and Abel were born sometime before this. hope that gives you some idea that it wasn't millions or thousands or even hundreds of years.
---kathr4453 on 5/27/14


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Jerry6593: again it depends on your understanding of the the Bible word translated 'day'.

You have blurred the difference between a 'day' from God's standpoint and that of man's. Exodus 20 is not discussing how long a 'day' lasts whether God or man's. The Israelites already knew that. What God was commanding the Israelites at Ex.20 was how to structure their working week.

As for a 'day' in God's count of time, Moses and the Israelites already knew that a 'thousand years' to God is like 'a day', or a watch during the night- Ps.90:4 (NIV).

You ask how long is my work week. You obviously miss the point of Exodus chapter 20.
---David8318 on 5/27/14


"The Bible makes absolutely no comments about this issue - so all theories about it are pure personal speculation."
---StrongAxe on 5/26/14


Your comments pertain to you 'Axe & other closed minded bloggers. Hearing, you & the deaf Daves of the world choose not to hear.
---Leon on 5/27/14


The Bible makes absolutely no comments about this issue - so all theories about it are pure personal speculation.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/14


David: One of God's Commandments requires that you count the number of your work days and rest on the seventh one, as He has made it (only) holy. This Commandment is meaningless unless He meant ordinary ~24 hour days. Do you think that God gives meaningless Commandments?

BTW, how long is your work week?


---jerry6593 on 5/27/14


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Jerry6593: depends on your understanding of 'day'.

The one inspired to write the creation account in Genesis was also inspired to write at Psalms 90:4, "For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night" (NIV). At Psalms 90, Moses was recounting God's creative activity.

A 'day' in God's creative activity is 'like a thousand years'. I think God would disagree with you to arbitrarily assert a creative 'day' must be 24 hours.
---David8318 on 5/26/14


\\All planets have it, it is what hold them in place. \\

Present theory is the gravity is caused by the warping of space. It's not something that planets have.

ANYTHING that has mass, however little, will warp space.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/14


This is funny you will fight tooth and nail to say God created the Earth in 6 days. What if he did it in 6 seconds and he is resting on the 7th? Time is for us here and now. You remember the parable of the land owner? It's about the earth and it's time limit. That time limit is running out cause the owner has already sent his son. And the owner is on his way and he will make some changes.
---Bryan on 5/26/14


Leon... instead of climbing on your high horse why don't YOU post something relevant to the blog.

What are you... are you some sort of self-appointed sycophantic blog monitor?

Contrary to your empty protestations, I have contributed to Bryan's blog which is more than what you've done! I've put forward the possibility that if the 'last Adam' (Christ) was 33.5 years old when he was put to death, could the 'first Adam' also have been 33.5 years old when he 'died' when disobedient to God? (1 Cor.15:45)
---David8318 on 5/26/14


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David: God disagrees with you.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth,


---jerry6593 on 5/26/14


Who created gravity? All planets have it, it is what hold them in place. God spoke his word and it went forth and it is still going forth doings things we don't see. You need a time limit for Gods creation. Gravity can show the passed and the future of creation. God is not hidding it or keeping it a secret. You don't think his word can cause a big bang?
---Bryan on 5/26/14


David: The problem with your question is it's not Bryan's question as pertains to this blog. Why don't you ask your question on "your blog"? :)
---Leon on 5/25/14


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