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Lead A Disobedient Life

My question is this, since I haven't been obedient to the Lord for most of my life,(i'm 66) does that mean that God will not bless me with a Godly mate? Also, does the fact that I have been married and divorced 3 times mean that I am unworthy to remarry in Gods' eyes?

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Dear Haz,
Hebrews 10:10 talks about,
"By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ"
The word "sanctify" means to "make holy" to be set apart from sin for God (1 Thess. 4:3). When Christ fulfilled the will of God, He provided for the believer a continuing permanent condition of holiness (Eph. 4:24: 1 Thess. 3:13) This is the believers positional sanctification as opposed to the progressive sanctification that results from daily walking by the will of God.
" And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God" Romans 12:2). Agape
---Luke on 6/18/14


Samuel. We agree Christians are not perfect in behaviour and Christians should love one another.

But we differ in that Rom 8:33 says Christians cannot be charged with ANYTHING (which includes sin). We cannot sin 1John 3:9, we've ceased from sin 1Pet 4:1.

The charge of sin only applies to those under the law (1John3:4, Rom 3:19), the unrighteous, 1John 5:17.

Repentance applies to dead works of self righteousness, Heb 6:1. BEFORE we received Christ we were in sin of unrighteousness. Judged by the law as sinners.

But once we receive Christ our faith is counted for righteousness. We're not under the law. Hence there's no sin that can be charged against us so what is there to repent of once in Christ?
---Haz27 on 6/18/14


Samuel, your questions to me cannot be answered in the way you want them to be answered because your questions are based on flawed SDA teaching. Hence I answer your questions in a way to show where the SDA error is.

Example: Re your liar example, how often have you committed the same offence? All Christians neglect the Sabbath as instructed in OT. None repent of this. Are we thus condemned as you claim?

You say Christian sin and need to repent again, and again, continuously. That's not repentance. And the charge of "sin" only applies to the unrighteous (1John5:17), those under the law (1John 3:9).
Christians however cannot be charged with sin (Rom 8:33), so what is there to repent of again?
---Haz27 on 6/17/14


Luke on 6/17/14 I thank you Luke for your words. This we agree on. This is what Haz27 rejects.
Heb 6:1 says repentance is of dead works of self-righteousness. And Christians have repented of this. Instead we have submitted to God's righteousness, believing on Jesus. Thus our faith is counted for righteousness. Haz27
What you say here is true. But sins are not works. We repent of sin which you deny and say not to repent of sin. GOD will lead us to repent so we do not have to worry about forget. As many times as you repent you are forgiven. You are the one who keeps trying to set a minimum. You posted my comments and did not answer them.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/14


"They still live their lives in their sinful bodies, but are being sanctified every day".---Luke.

Hi Luke. Have you considered Heb 10:10, We have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Christ, once for all.

Sanctification is not a process as scripture shows. As long as Christians continue believing on Jesus they remain sanctified by his sacrifice.

This is the good fight of faith, that we keep the commandment to believe on Jesus, without spot, unblameable., 1Tim 6:12-14.

Anyone who turns to the the law, even just mixing works of it with grace, such must repent or else they 're in unbelief.
---Haz27 on 6/17/14




Samuel. What's this "living in sin", "habitual sin"? You have not explained this.
To say Christians "sin" is to say they're unrighteous (1John 5:17) and transgressing the law (1John 3:4).

BUT we're not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18) and where there's no law there's no transgression/sin, Rom 4:15. Also our faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5).
Hence Christians cannot be charged with sin, Rom 8:33, 1Pet 4:1, 1John 3:9.

SDA doctrine condemns others through the law. Hence my question as to what is that minimum standard of obedience to the law. We both agree nobody is perfect, but your posts suggest a minimum standard is required to be saved.
---Haz27 on 6/17/14


//Yes we are to fight the good fight but what if a person is not fighting but just living in sin?//

Dear Samuel,
Again you mentioned those who do not fight the good fight and continue living in sin, let me tell you there is no such Christian in that category. All genuine Christians are changed by God. If there is no change in the person, there is no salvation.
Many are call Christian, but are not Christians. There has never been a change in them. That is not what a Christian is. All who are born of God are changed. All of them. They still live their lives in their sinful bodies, but are being sanctified every day. It's called a transformation. So please do not call those others Christian. They are fake. Agape
---Luke on 6/17/14


"can they be forgiven if they do not repent?" Samuelbb7.

To "repent" means turn away from the offence, stop doing it.

BUT, you contradict this and speak of repentance as continual/ongoing repentance of the SAME offences. That is not repentance.

Heb 6:1 says repentance is of dead works of self-righteousness. And Christians have repented of this. Instead we have submitted to God's righteousness, believing on Jesus. Thus our faith is counted for righteousness.

This repentance is ONCE only, Heb 6:4-6.

Re your liar example, how often have you committed the same offence? All Christians neglect the Sabbath as instructed in OT. None repent of this. Are we thus condemned as you claim?
---Haz27 on 6/17/14


"Are we not now to work in love of GOD and others"--Samuelbb7

We love one another, as Jesus commanded.

But SDA takes this further by adding works of the law as proof of "imparted" righteousness and salvation.

Note that we see repentance differently. SDA doctrine of repentance judges people under the law which is mixing works with grace.

BUT, Heb 6:1 shows repentance was of dead works of self righteousness. So why then add works of the law to repentance? It's not relevant anymore as we're not under the law.

It also creates other problems like what if one forgets to repent of an issue? Or how often can one repent of the same offence?
---Haz27 on 6/17/14


Haz 27 I actually said probably since it is impossible for me to know. When will you answer my question about a liar who never gives up lying?
As long as a person repents they are to be forgiven which is way more the 70 times 7. But can they be forgiven if they do not repent?
I am saved by Grace alone and cannot be saved any other way.
First fruit of the Resurrection not a verse about repentance.
Yes we are to fight the good fight but what if a person is not fighting but just living in sin? Yes it is about JESUS CHRIST and we have repented of dead works trying to save ourselves. Are we not now to work in love of GOD and others?
1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/14




Samuel, you said: "the ones who call themselves Christians are hypocrites and false"

Here you're judging professing Christians based on their behaviour. Clearly there is some minimum standard of obedience to the law that your use as a basis for your judgement. Can you give details from scripture what this minimum standard is?

No doubt you believe you meet that minimum standard of obedience to the law and thus are saved, unlike those Christians who you judged to be false hypocrites and lost.

Even your point about "habitual" sin suggests that there is a cut off point where God's forgiveness limit is exceeded. What is that limit? Is it 7x70?
---Haz27 on 6/14/14


Samuel, we spoke on fruits meet for repentance. 1Cor 15:20 tells that fruit is Christ the firstfruit. See this confirmed throughout scripture. Our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29. We're born of God when we believe on him, 1John 5:1. God's will is that we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. Our faith is counted for righteousness when we believe on Jesus, Rom 4:5. We fight the good fight of faith, believing on Jesus, 1Tim 6:12. It's all about having Christ in us which shows that we have repented of dead works.

Your definition of "establish" confirms what I said. We establish the law that only the righteous can enter into the kingdom. Praise God we have the robes of righteousness in Christ who fulfilled the law for us.
---Haz27 on 6/13/14


If good behavior is a measure of our righteousness, as you claim, then how does that work when some non-believers display better behavior than some Christians? Haz27

It probably means the ones who call themselves Christians are hypocrites and false.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/14


"Nana, as you usually preach the law then I assumed you referred to fruit being works of the law."
Haz27 on 6/13/14

Where have I preached the law?

Carry on chasing your own tail and as I've said before, you have nothing but empty understandings.
Maybe Samuelbb7 will carry on entertainig your endless janglings, I'm out.
---Nana on 6/13/14


Nana, as you usually preach the law then I assumed you referred to fruit being works of the law.

Perhaps you can give us details from scripture what works you do mean.

We see scripture speak of the works of believing on Jesus, John 6:29.
We see scripture speak of works of the law.
But you claim there are other works than the above that proves whether we're saved or not. Can you give scripture detailing these works?
---Haz27 on 6/13/14


Haz27 Strongs says establish means: to cause or make to stand. To place, to make firm, fix establish, be kept intact, cause it to stand, to uphold or sustain the authority or force of anything.
This does not match your definition. I will go with the Dictionary.
Yes we believe that by the HOLY SPIRIT we will have imparted righteousness. GOD will have us do good works because we are new people. Please read the verses about that Christians are created to do good works. There are a lot of them.
I did not say that works is the fruit of the law. Doing right is the fruit of Grace. The law just tells us what is wrong.
That is not what 1Cor15:20 says, of the resurrection not repentance. Why did you change what it says?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/14


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"Your suggestion that fruit is works of the law is not supported in scripture."
---Haz27 on 6/12/14

Where have I suggested that? You make a lie with your circular reasoning and like a dog, never suceed in capturing even your own tail.

John 14:12 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also, and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto my Father."
Are the "works" of Christ 'works of the law'?
John 15:8 "Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit, so shall ye be my disciples."
---Nana on 6/12/14


//We witness to others and do right because it is now our nature//--Samuelbb7

Here we seem to agree.
And I think you'll agree that how good a Christian's behavior is will depend upon their level of maturity or ability. And no doubt you'll agree that Christian's are not perfect in behavior too.

Where we disagree is that you argue for obedience to the law as the measure of our righteousness.

If good behavior is a measure of our righteousness, as you claim, then how does that work when some non-believers display better behavior than some Christians?

---Haz27 on 6/13/14


Samuel, We establish the law when we admitted we're a sinner and that the law is just, thus we deserve death. Hence we submitted to God's righteousness and thus we were saved by grace. As long as we believe on Jesus we establish the law in that we remain covered by his righteousness as only those who are righteous may enter the kingdom.

But you seem to suggest "establish " means we obey the law proving "imparted" righteousness. Can you explain?

Nana. Christ is our first fruit 1Cor 15:20. This is fruit meet for repentance. The thief on the cross and all Christians had Christ the firstfruit when we believe on Jesus.

Your suggestion that fruit is works of the law is not supported in scripture.
---Haz27 on 6/12/14


Haz, That's good enough for me. If I have to depend on anything I do to make God happier with me, I going to fail. God loves me, and there is nothing I can do to make him love me any more or any less. That gives me great joy!
---love.jesus on 6/12/14


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Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."

How much fruit a man bears is directly related to how long his life is. Jesus said, "For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." So, when the heart is right with God, good works follow. John said "Repent" and "Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance". All the thief had time to bring was just his heart.
---Nana on 6/12/14


SDA's add that a minimum standard of obedience... Haz27
Why do you keep lying and making a false accusation?

I tell you that in preaching to sinners that we use the law to bring them to know JESUS and be saved.

Your answer is Christians are not under the law.
Why did you switch to argue against something I was not saying?

Yes Romans 6:11 says we are saved by Grace.
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The Bible says it is established.

Yes we are saved by believing. But those who believe live in obedience to GOD. They do good works not to prove they are saved to GOD. We witness to others and do right because it is now our nature.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/12/14


Samuel, you said "Many preach just believe and you are saved without doing anything"

But in John 6:29 Jesus says our works are to believe on him.
The thief on the cross did this. In fact we see that thief believed "without doing anything" as you've protested against. Clearly God's example of salvation by grace for the thief is at odds with SDA doctrine.

1Tim 6:12-14 confirms these works of believing on Jesus. We fight the good fight of faith, believing on Jesus. And we keep this commandment (to believe on Jesus) without spot, unrebukable.

But SDA's add that a minimum standard of obedience to the law is also required. This is not supported in scripture.

---Haz27 on 6/12/14


Samuel, you said "To a sinner you need to show the School teacher (law) so that they realize they are sinners and need Grace"

I suspect you're saying you preach the law to lead people to repent of their sin. If so then this is error.

Gal 3:25 tells us that once faith has come we are NO LONGER UNDER a tutor. That is Christians have repented of their dead works (Heb 6:1) of self-righteousness by works of the law, and now our faith is counted for righteousness instead, Rom 4:5.

And being that we're NOT under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 5:18, we cannot be charged with sin, Rom 8:33, 1Pet 4:1, 1John 3:9. Where there's no law, there's no transgression/sin, Rom 4:15.

---Haz27 on 6/12/14


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What, in your opinion, is "The Gospel"?--love.jesus

Believe on Jesus and you'll have everlasting life, John 3:16.

The gospel is called the gospel of:
God, Christ, of the kingdom, of your salvation, of peace, of the grace of God.

See also: Mark 16:15,16. Acts 15:7,11. Acts 20:24. Rom 1:16. Eph 1:13.

The law is not part of the gospel, Rom 11:6.
---Haz27 on 6/12/14


Haz

To a sinner you need to show the School teacher (law) so that they realize they are sinners and need Grace. Then you talk to them of JESUS's love and death for them. That they need salvation by Grace.

You teach predestination here mostly. Do you witness to a person and tell them GOD hates them or loves them like you do here?

Here we are discussing a point and that is what we are concentrating on. True many do not Preach the necessity of being saved by Grace through faith like they should.

Many preach just believe and you are saved without doing anything.

If a person really believes they will do all of what GOD commands. Those who refuse to follow GOD do not really believe.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/11/14


What, in your opinion, is "The Gospel"?
---love.jesus on 6/11/14


Samuel, you said, "Then walk off and let him die since you are not supposed to help the physical".

Now we both know that I never said or implied any such thing. So why say it?

As I said before, even non-believers do charitable deeds, so how are such physical deeds differentiating Christians from non-believers?

The difference is that Christians/sheep go further by preaching the gospel to the lost who are spiritually hungry, thirsty, naked, sick, strangers, in prison.

But goats preach the ministry of death written in stones.
---Haz27 on 6/11/14


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Samuel. I doubt that many Christians are preaching the gospel as you think. I think you'll find most here agree the gospel is not being preached enough, especially with the PC extremism we see so often in Western cultures.

I know many SDA's. Like you, jerry, Francis, they preach law much more than grace. You, jerry, Francis preached condemnation to us here on CN because we do not keep Sabbath as SDA's think it should be kept.

BTW, Christians are NOT under the law, so why do SDA's preach as if we were?
Christians cannot sin (1John3:9) so why then preach condemnation for Christians?

Scripture is SPIRITUALLY discerned, 1Cor 2:14. Therefore we should read it as such, and not physically as the natural man does.
---Haz27 on 6/10/14


Samuel. Your understanding of Matt 25 & James is purely physical. Haz27

No, it is not. You just assume that. Why?

We are to preach the Gospel and help others. But everywhere I see those who preach the Gospel but do not help others. You stress and put all your points on the Spiritual side. So I answered by saying there is a physical side also.

You take the words and say they only mean spiritual and ignore the physical.

So you keep saying that you walk up to a man dying of starvation and say GOD loves you and has chosen you. Then walk off and let him die since you are not supposed to help the physical.

The goats peached works not grace. We preach Love works because we are saved by Grace.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14


Samuel. Your understanding of Matt 25 & James is purely physical. And we both know that even non- believers provide such physical help to the needy. So how are you then any different from these non-believers based on the physical help you claim to offer?

James 2 the "naked and destitute of daily food" refers to the spiritual. It's the lost who are naked lacking the robes of righteousness/garments of salvation (Isa 61:10). It's the lost who lack daily Spiritual food (Christ, 1Cor10:3,4).

The sheep preach the gospel of grace to the lost, spiritually naked, sick, hungry, thirsty, stranger, in prison.

The goats however, preach works of the law.
---Haz27 on 6/10/14


Mat 25:35,36
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Matt 25 I draw your attention again to my other post with cross references showing that it refers to preaching the gospel to the spiritually hungry, naked, stranger, sick, in prison. Haz27

Jas 1:27

Jas 2:15,16 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled, notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body, what doth it profit?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14


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Samuel. It's good that you now understand my point about sin.

But on the issue of repentance, the SDA doctrine errs in that it claims that failure to repent of breaking the law condemns one to death. Hence you condemn most here on CN as we do not keep Saturday Sabbath as SDA's think it should be kept.

Instead we see repentance was of dead works of self righteousness, Heb 6:1. This is a ONCE ONLY repentance, Heb 6:4-6.

Re Matt 25 I draw your attention again to my other post with cross references showing that it refers to preaching the gospel to the spiritually hungry, naked, stranger, sick, in prison.
---Haz27 on 6/9/14


Haz27
I now understand how you define not sinning as a legal matter. We call what you are talking about Justification. We become as if we never sinned. You do not need to repent since in a technical sense you cannot sin, because all of your sins are paid for and you no longer need a High Priest.
On the other hand we call breaking the law sin. But we are not judged for it as we are justified unless we choose to not repent and continue in following evil and being unloving.
The truth is that it is wrong and against the will of GOD to not do good works and not be loving, that those who despise the poor and refuse to help others will, as pointed out in Matthew 25, be shown to not be Christians even though they thought they were.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


Samuel. I have said several times before that nobody is perfect in behaviour. So here we both agree.

But SDA's preach condemnation/death for anybody who does not attain some ambiguous, unspecified, minimum standard of obedience to the law. SDA's use words like "not sin", "sin no more", etc, but this somehow really means obey the law to some unspecified minimum standard. Such doctrines are ambiguous and clearly error.

BTW, I did answer your question about following SDA lukewarm mix of works with grace. See Rev 3:19. Repent.
---Haz27 on 6/6/14


SDA doctrine offers a lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace. God says we cannot mix works and grace, Rom 11:6.
Haz27

No I do not know this and you did not answer my question. If a person obeys the law because they love GOD and do not throw the law away and think of themselves as perfect are they lost?

Are you perfect in all your actions and thoughts? Not judged by GOD but do you only walk, think and talk perfectly?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/14


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Samuel, you said, "How about if we follow the law because we love GOD and want to do what is right because it is right?
Does that cause us to be lost?"

Samuel, we both know that SDA doctrine goes much further than what you say above. SDA doctrine preaches condemnation/death to anyone who does not obey the law to some ambiguous/unspecified minimum standard.

SDA doctrine offers a lukewarm mix of works of the law with grace. God says we cannot mix works and grace, Rom 11:6.
And God calls upon the lukewarm to repent, Rev 3:19.
---Haz27 on 6/6/14


Samuel. Rom 6:15 is same as Rom 6:1,2 To sin means your under law. Remember Rom 3:19 whatever the law says it says to those under it, Rom 4:15 where there is NO LAW there is NO TRANSGRESSION/SIN.
Under grace we're DEAD to the law, Gal 2:19. But to then return to law again(thus making oneself a sinner, Gal 2:18)so that grace may abound again to you...? God forbid. That is the willful sin in Heb10:26, Heb 6:4-6.

Re 1John 1 note it's evangelical context. Verse 2 bears witness...eternal life so that those they are declaring the gospel to also may have fellowship...with the Father and His Son..
Also remember 1John 3:9 says we CANNOT SIN. God is not contradicting Himself as you suggest with 1John 1:8.
---Haz27 on 6/5/14


But if we turn back to the law to prove righteousness then we make ourselves a sinner, Gal 2:18. That's unbelief.

---Haz27

How about if we follow the law because we love GOD and want to do what is right because it is right?

Does that cause us to be lost?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/14


Haz27

Yes the Thief on the cross was saved and I am saved in the same way. The deeds of the law do not provide or add to salvation. We believe that our Justification is by the death of JESUS for our sins.
First John is written to believers. How do you get that it is written to unbelivers when it is about Johns children in the faith.
Romans 6:17 yes we believe we should obey the doctrine of the Bible because we have been Born Again.
Yes Romans 5:19 points out not all are saved. Again we agree to that.

Rom 6:15 The we Paul is referring to is the Christians he is writing too. So Paul is saying they can sin, but GOD forbid that they live in sin.
How many SDA sermons have you heard?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/4/14


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Samuel, you said "to cease from sin means that you never ever break the law"

True.
But to "cease" also means one is not under the law for righteousness. Remember Rom3:19whatever the law says IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER IT.

For a Christian our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom4:5 (and not works of the law).

In the physical we're not perfect, but this is not what our righteousness is judged by. Instead our life is hid with Christ in God,Col 3:3. As long as we believe on Jesus we remain in Christ covered by his righteousness.

But if we turn back to the law to prove righteousness then we make ourselves a sinner, Gal 2:18. That's unbelief.
---Haz27 on 6/4/14


Samuel. 1John 1 refers to non-believers.
And Rom 6:1,15 do not support you either. Read the context.
Rom 5:19 by one Mans obedience many will be made righteous.
Rom 6:17 you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine (the gospel of grace)
SDA's seem to overlook that it was Christ's obedience that makes us righteous.

SDA's preach condemnation that if one slips up once too often (exceeding God's limit on forgiveness) then they're lost. Interestingly SDA's cannot find any scripture detailing what it is to exceed God's limit on forgiveness. SDA doctrine is ambiguous.

But the gospel of grace is specific. Believe on Jesus. The thief on the cross did this and was saved, without any deeds of law.
---Haz27 on 6/4/14


The spirit and they flesh war. Your. Flesh will sin no matter what we do and there is nothing anyone can do about it unless we stay in the word. We war against principalities In high places. We sin in ways we don't know unless we study. No one is perfect, not one single person.
---shira4368 on 6/4/14


To cease from sin means that you never ever break the law.

Do you never do anything wrong and never break the law?

You see the passages you give are about living in sin. But they do not say you cannot sin but that sin is possible for Christians to do.

Your point is that what every you do is always right and good because you are in a glorified state or as used to be called Holy Flesh state and cannot sin.

So if you tell a lie it is okay since you believe that lies are no longer sins for you.

I believe it is a sin to tell a lie and that I must stop lying and always tell the truth. Just as Martin Luther and Calvin taught. So you are saying they are under law and lost also.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/4/14


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Samuel, you said "Both Paul and John say we can sin. You say we cannot. I agree with the Bible"

Actually you disagree with God, Paul and John.

Whoever has been born of God does NOT SIN, for His seed remains in him, and he CANNOT SIN, 1John 3:9

We who are Jews by nature, and NOT SINNERS of the Gentiles, Gal 2:15

Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has CEASED FROM SIN, 1Pet 4:1

SDA's are under the law. That's how they make themselves a sinner, Gal 2:18.

But Christians abide in Christ and in him there is no sin, 1John 3:5. Thus we've ceased from sin.
---Haz27 on 6/4/14


So Haz you are calling GOD a liar.


1Jo 1:8-10

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


Rom 6:1

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?


Rom 6:15

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Both Paul and John say we can sin. You say we cannot. I agree with the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/14


God "blessing" you has very little to do with God wanting to bless you, because He always wants to bless the Christian, but rather it's because of your position with God, which you state is a position of disobedience. He always wants to bless the Christian, but the Christian has to be in a position that will allow them to accept His blessing. It doesn't read like you are in a position to accept God's blessing. I'd suggest you repent of your disobedience, than God will bless you, but until then, He probably won't.
---wivv on 6/3/14


Samuel. Re 1John1:8, note it's evangelical context.
It "bears witness", "declares", "eternal life" to the lost so they too "may have fellowship...with the Father and His Son".

To "sin" means one is under the law as whatever the law says IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER IT, Rom 3:19. For such righteousness is by attaining some ambiguous minimum standard of obedience to it.

BUT for Christians we cannot sin as our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. We're not under the law hence we cannot be charged with it's transgression.
We abide in Christ and in him there is no sin, 1John 3:5.

So why do SDA's claim there is sin in Christ?
---Haz27 on 6/3/14


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Samuel, you said "Cease means to stop."

Christians have stopped sin in their lives.
1Pet 4:1, ceased from sin
1John 3:9 cannot sin
1Pet 4:18, Gal 2:15 not sinners.

Legalists however remain under the law, thus Satan (the accuser) can charge them with sin.
Gal 2:18 if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I MAKE MYSELF a transgressor/Sinner.

Whilst we both agree Christians behavior improves, we differ in that SDA's mix works of the law with grace. That is lukewarm and God calls on such to repent, Rev 3:19.
---Haz27 on 6/2/14


Haz27


Cease means to stop.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
These verses are about not living in sin. They are not saying that the Bible does not condemn our sins.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Read Roman 7,8,9 3:31 and you will find that nowhere does it say we can live in transgression of the law. We are to walk in obedience to GOD not to be saved but because we walk after the spirit. When you say you cannot sin you are calling John a liar in First John one.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/14


There ARE laws of God that apply to Christians as well.

Remember the council of Jerusalem, after all.

But those laws are not the same as the listed laws of Moses.

The question of whether Christians can sin or not is...........

uncertain

There are scriptures saying Christians cannot, and there are also scriptures saying Christians do

So believe whatever you want
---Peter on 5/31/14


"Seek ye first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added unto you." Matt. 6:34
Maybe your focus is not on what God wants it to be on.
When our focus is totally on Him we have peace no matter what is going on in our lives.
Blessings.
---Simone_G on 5/31/14


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Samuel, you said that I wrote it is not a sin to not obey any of the laws of GOD because they do not apply to Christians. That Christians cannot sin.

To correct you, I actually said that Christians are not under the law for righteousness (Rom 8:2,Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18). Instead it's our faith that is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Hence we cannot be charged with sin (transgression of the law, 1John 3:4, unrighteousness, 1John 5:17).
Remember whatever the law says it says to those UNDER IT,Rom 3:19

who shall lay ANYTHING (this includes sin) against God's elect?,Rom8:33.
We cannot sin 1John 3:9.
We've ceased from sin, 1Pet4:1.
---Haz27 on 5/30/14


\\Haz wrote that it is not a sin to not obey any of the laws of GOD because they do not apply to Christians. That Christians cannot sin.\\

I have mentioned OT commandments about marital and hygienic issues that francis (remember him?) either would not answer or said didn't apply because they were not part of the Decalogue.

Nevertheless, he would quote from outside the Decalogue to prove his point.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/30/14


Dear Samuel,
Your purpose for answering, the days of the week, or the Ten Commandments, is to support your observance of Saturday Sabbath. And you do not like that others don't. So you want them to do what you do or else they are in sin.
It is pretty obvious by your answers concerning those subjects.
But you go to the other end of the spectrum which is pietism. Pietism emphasizes self-discipline and holy living often to the extreme of adopting legalistic standards for living. It places so much emphasis on external righteousness and human effort that it ignores God's role in sanctification. The Pharisees were early advocates of a brand of pietism always adding the law. Agape
---Luke on 5/31/14


Dearest Luke I do not say this because of Sabbath.

I say this because it is true that many who call themselves Christians do not follow the Commandments of GOD. Leave out the fourth for a moment and that statement is still true.

Haz wrote that it is not a sin to not obey any of the laws of GOD because they do not apply to Christians. That Christians cannot sin.

Many who call themselves Christians are committing adultery and others neglect the poor.

Others talk about being rich by following GOD but only to help themselves. John Wesley, Martin Luther and even Calvin called upon all Christians to follow the Ten Commandments as they understood them.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/14


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//We do not preform for GOD. We love GOD and love works.
Would you tell a person that it is okay to cheat on and beat up their mate because that person loves them?//

Samuel,
The only reason you say what you say is because of Saturday Sabbath. What genuine Christian would you know of who tells a person it is ok to cheat? I know of none. So why do you say such things about a genuine Christian? No genuine Christian believes it is ok to sin all you want just because you love Christ. If you love Christ you would never say such things. I do not know where you come with such stuff. It's ok for you to go to church on Saturday. But you do not have to make excuses for it. Agape
---Luke on 5/30/14


The Commandments are about love. When we love others the written rules are not enough.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/14

I agree, but perhaps we differ on why we do the works.

God is love, in that at the deepest core of God, He is love. We understand God to be a WE and the relationship of God is what we pattern our love after.

The relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit makes God outward-centered, or other-centered. God loves others because it is who they ARE.

We as believers are to be transformed into the image of Jesus. Jesus only did what The Father prepared for Him to do and could only accomplish this with the help of the Holy Spirit.

We need to love others because it is who we are.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/30/14


Dear Micha9344

Good points and mostly agree. So Thank you for that part. Especially the Good Samaritan.

But the Ten Commandments are love also. It just that they are basic and do not go as far as GOD wants us to go.

So keep up the great work and Agape to you.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/14


/We do not just want to not steal we want to help and support and give to others. We do not just not want to murder others we want to love others and care about them.\-Samuelbb7 on 5/29/14
And here we see the difference between passive and active. It is only the active that shows love and is love.
The passive has none of it.
The Good Samaritan was a prime example of not murdering nor stealing, and definitely not loving.
The Decalogue is not about love. Even Jesus pointed to 2 commands of Moses as the greatest, under which everything hung (dangled).
---micha9344 on 5/29/14


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Well Mark Eaton

You may have disagreed with the way I said it. But I do agree with the way you stated what I was trying to say.

The Commandments are about love. When we love others the written rules are not enough.

We do not just want to not steal we want to help and support and give to others.

We do not just not want to murder others we want to love others and care about them.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/14


We do not preform for GOD. We love GOD and love works.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/28/14

I must disagree with this.

We love God and we love OTHERS. It is out of the new creation by God's love thru Jesus Christ that we even have the ability to do good works.

We may do them for any reason we want, but we show God's love to us by doing works for other people.

We do them because we love others, as commanded by God. When we are born again, we are born of the Spirit of God, which is love. We demonstrate we are born again by loving others. We show our love by serving others.
---Mark_Eaton on 5/28/14


We do not preform for GOD. We love GOD and love works.

Would you tell a person that it is okay to cheat on and beat up their mate because that person loves them?


Eph 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

If a person is not walking in good works it is because they are not recreated in Christ Jesus.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/28/14


God loves you no matter what. You don't have to perform for him. Just accept his love for you and relax. God has already forgiven you.
---love.jesus on 5/27/14


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Hello,Chuny,,love when you use your sense of humour..that' the cluny,I like no disrespect,you always gave us a good chuckle once in a while...
Love of Jesus!

You right,worse things than not be married.

Not be saved,washed in the blood of Jesus,living to satisfy the greed,etc.. in the world.
Jesus offers get out of bondage.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 5/26/14


I suggest you decide that JESUS is LORD of your life and repent of you disobedience and ask for a brand new start.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/26/14


There are worse things than not being married. Three of them are being married to the wrong person.

Shel Silverstein's book THE MISSING PIECE is a parable of this. A disk missing a piece tries to find something to make him complete. When he does, he rolls totally out of control.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/26/14


1 Corinthians - 7:10 And unto the married I command, yet not I ,but the lord, let not the wife depart from her husband,

1 Corinthians - 7:11 But if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband, let not the husband put away his wife,
---RICHARDC on 5/26/14


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Hello,PastoraKarenD. All respect, how wonderfull see you! God bless you.You know we miss you!

Great advice,put God #1.Sister don't feel bad.It took a lot of hard knocks but,yes! God mercy,I got to grip with it myself,I am happy not looking for a man.Been there,done that.Jesus has made my life COMPLETE!
Marriage is serious.People rush,into.it

I am free.I salute those who.do well,but I am.truthfull.I am better off me & Jesus! Forever.
It'like a roller coaster ride..if it 'didn't work let go & let God. I respect men,but marriage never worked out for me.Trust God,He never let you down.Relationship with Jesus more important than anything.

Love of Jesus! Elena9555
---Elena9555 on 5/26/14


Mary...I would suggest that you get your eyes on Jesus instead of looking for another husband. What matters is your relationships with the Lord now. Your past does not matter if you have been born again. If you are born again then you should know that the Bible says that if a woman is divorced and remarries she commits adultery. I suggest that you get involved in a church that is teaching true Biblical doctrine and stop looking for a man to make you happy.
---KarenD on 5/25/14


\\Are maybe God don't want you to have one.
---Bryan on 5/25/14\\

I never said He did.

I never met a woman who was single and shared the Orthodox faith, so I took it as a sign I was not to be married.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/14


Cluny maybe you should have a heart. Are maybe God don't want you to have one.
---Bryan on 5/25/14


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Mary: A penitent heart God will not despise. Start or continue walking in obedience and you will enjoy God's companionship & blessedness John 14:23, isaiah 1:19. The failed marriages reflects the absence of God in them Ps.127:1. This case is not as bad as that of the woman in John 4 who the Lord ministered to, your challenge can also be solved by the Lord.
---Adetunji on 5/25/14


If you've been married and divorced three times, maybe God doesn't intend for you to be married.

Have you thought of that?

Another sign you're not called to marriage is that you don't meet anyone suitable--and you can't say that you have.

However, God forgive.

He can fix a broken heart--or broken life--if you give Him all the pieces.

Christ is risen!
---Cluny on 5/25/14


Who would say such crap to you. God don't hate you as some would have you believe. He wants you to have the right mate. But he will let you choose as many time as you wish. Why don't you let him give you the right one. Jesus said if your doing my father will all the things the world is looking for will be added to you.
---Bryan on 5/25/14


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