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If God alone is the Judge of our fitness for heaven, then why do some proclaim that they are "saved"?

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The law is not done away.
What is done away with is righteousness by works of the law.

Christ is the END of the law for righteousness, to eveyone that believes Rom 10:4

Now it's our faith that is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

Believe on Jesus. Haz27

Amen and Amen. Now we agree. You may still believe in Once Saved Always saved and go along with this which matches what I teach and believe.

But I fear that you might not mean what you say here. I pray that I am wrong and you do believe that we are saved by Grace alone but the law tells us what is wrong to do. For the law is about love of GOD and others.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/16/14


Psalm 24:1_5 "The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof, the world, and they that dwell therein.
For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart, who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation."

All belong to God and John 17:20 "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,"
---Nana on 7/16/14


Haz: "The law is not done away."

Then it is still in force, and you teach lawlessness.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.



---jerry6593 on 7/16/14


//John 17:6 "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word."
They were wordly as any other man but Jesus stresses, "and they have kept thy word"//

Yes, they did keep His Word. They were chosen by Jesus as His disciples. They already belonged to the Father. And this was Jesus prayer for His disciples. So He says,
"I pray for them, "I do not pray for the world," but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours."
---Luke on 7/16/14


John 17:6 declares not that that God "chose only the elect out of the world" as John MacArthur presumes and Lisa asserts.
The message of God have gone much farther than a few, "Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."

What was the uniqueness of the group Jesus was refering to in John 17:6?
John 17:6 "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me, and they have kept thy word."
They were wordly as any other man but Jesus stresses, "and they have kept thy word", a common theme with Him, see John 15:7 and :10
---Nana on 7/15/14




If the Law could be done away with, then Christ need not have died for our sins---jerry

The law is not done away.
What is done away with is righteousness by works of the law.

Christ is the END of the law for righteousness, to eveyone that believes Rom 10:4

Now it's our faith that is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

Believe on Jesus.
---Haz27 on 7/15/14


Dear Ruben,
With a little study and an open mind you would know what the passage in ( 1 Tim. 2:2=4) is teaching. The Greek word for 'desire' is not that which normally expresses God's will of decree. God for His own glory, and to manifest that glory in wrath, chose to endure "vessels" prepared for destruction for the supreme fulfillment of His will (Rom. 9:22) In His eternal purpose He chose only the elect out of the world ( John 17:6) and past over the rest, leaving them to the consequences of their sin, unbelief, and rejection of Christ. (Romans 1:18-32). But you have to grasp this truth but something is stopping you. I know you have more questions, I did when I was a Catholic. Agape
---Luke on 7/15/14


Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.



---jerry6593 on 7/15/14


1 John 3:6_10 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."
---Nana on 7/15/14


I have been Married to the same women for forty years.

When I make a mistake or do something wrong. I repent and say I am sorry.

If I forget she will remind me. A little like the HOLY SPRIT would remind us as Christians.

But if I started lying to my wife and hurting our children. Then she would divorce me because I am not living or acting as a true Husband. But have become a fake and false husband.

True Christians will not be lost. Because they will never stop acting in love.

But false Christians think of themselves as saved no matter how much they lie and hurt others.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/15/14




//Luke * Those born of God always remain born of God.
So when you sin and don't repent you still born of God?//

Yes, When you are saved by God's grace through faith, you repent of your sins. From that moment on your sins are forgiven forever. Christ cannot die for you again. You will sin, and many times you will repent. Sometimes you sin and don't even know it. You don't lose your salvation because you sin, otherwise no one would be save.

//Luke * Jesus loses none.//

Correct, Jesus loses none. I have faith in His Word.
He said,
"This is the will of the Father who sent Me, "that of all He has given Me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day" John 6:39
---Luke on 7/14/14


//"This good, and pleases , God our savior, Who wants ALL men to be saved , and to come to a knowledge of the truth " ( 1 Tim 2:2-4)//

Ruben,
by using this passage you are saying that Almighty God, who rules from His Throne, wants to save everyone, but He cannot? Who is more powerful then God?
We have a passage that states,
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35)
your saying He wants something but someone or something stops Him. Who is this something or someone who stops Almighty God, Ruler of all things?
What you did was contradict Scripture with your interpretation of 1 Tim. Agape
---Luke on 7/14/14


Luke * Those born of God always remain born of God.

So when you sin and don't repent you still born of God?


Luke * Jesus loses none.

Here is where your unbelief of free-will comes in. Jesus does let you walk away. It makes no sense for Jesus to tell us to 'obey his command' deny ourselves, keep his commandments, confess our sins, abide in him etc..etc..
---Ruben on 7/14/14


Luke* "You" believe God wants to save him but sinful man will not let Him.

"This good, and pleases , God our savior, Who wants ALL men to be saved , and to come to a knowledge of the truth " ( 1 Tim 2:2-4)

" These are the scriptures that testify about me, BUT YET YOU REFUSE TO COME TO ME" ( JHn 5:40)

Luke *When God saves someone, He saves them, He does not temporary save them .He saves them forever.

We have to cooperate with his grace, example,

With the adultery women, Jesus told her "Your sins are forgiven, Go and sin no more." He saved her but did not say ' You are saved forever but instead told her Go and sin no more not Go and you Will not sin anymore!
---Ruben on 7/13/14


Hello, yes, I am saved by His power divine nothing can I ever do on my own, without the shed blood of Jesus!
My life, his mercies unto me are such mere words could not express...surely a miracle, besides the healings of different problems, illnesses down through the years.Give God the glory, the thanks for a roof o'er my head, my saviour, my protection, my best father and my confidante, etc. So, much Jesus Christ is to me. Thankyou for this marvelous opportunity oh God be praised.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/12/14


Luke. John Wesley and Methodists stated what I believe about the written law and they did not keep the Seventh day Sabbath.

But our theology is very similar.

I do not say we are to follow the written law because of just one commandment, but because of all of the Ten. I do not ignore the other nine. Why do you say I do so?

Christians are not under law to be saved. We keep the law because we are saved and filled with love.

A saved man works because he is saved. Many in churches as those Jude spoke to who were in churches. Say the written law is gone and does not have to be followed so it is no sin to lie etc.

Is it a sin to make a statue and bow down and worship the god the statue represents?

agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/13/14


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If the Law could be done away with, then Christ need not have died for our sins.



---jerry6593 on 7/12/14


//Luke you wrote this //That man, with his sinful decisions stops God from doing His will. //

Yes I wrote that, but not that I believed it, but that "you" believed it from your theory that Jesus Christ sacrifice was not sufficient enough to save you, that it needed sinful mans works in order to be save. "You" believe God wants to save him but sinful man will not let Him. That is "your believes." When God saves someone, He saves them, He does not temporary save them or sort of saves them. He saves them forever. Those born of God always remain born of God. Jesus loses none. Agape
---Luke on 7/12/14


//Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Has not some here stated that a Christian cannot commit a sin? That there is no law anymore at all.//

Samuel, I do not know of anyone who says they do not commit sin, or that there is no law. They say Christians are not under the written law. You keep insisting Christians are the one's doing all those bad things, You are not telling the truth. You gave Jude that speaks of ungodly people, Christian are not ungodly. Stop saying they are. You insist because you want them to keep the Saturday Sabbath. No other reason. But you forget all the other sins you and the rest commit. All we are saying is that we are not under the written law anymore. Agape
---Luke on 7/11/14


Luke* Ruben, who is talking about healing? Jesus did not come to save the righteous but the unrighteous.
Another thing, all human beings are sinful. And who is being saved? sinful people.

Which is sin, " Go and sin no more" Jesus told her.

Luke * So I have no clue what you are talking about. Get your facts together when you join in and ask questions.

Luke you wrote this //That man, with his sinful decisions stops God from doing His will. //

The woman who committed adultery did not stop Jesus from forgiving her but according to u he does not because of the person sinful decisions.

Do I have my facts right:)
---Ruben on 7/10/14


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Samuelbb7. You're wrong saying 1John 1:8 refers to Christians. Plus you contradict 1John 3:9 which says Christians CANNOT sin.
Note the EVANGELICAL context of 1John 1. It "bears witness...declares...eternal life...that ye also may have fellowship...with the Father and His Son"

SDA wants to bring us back under the law.

Whatever the law says IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER IT, Rom 3:19. Legalists are under the law hence they can be charged with sin/transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.

BUT, Christians are NOT under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18). Hence we CANNOT be charged with sin, Rom 8:33.
---Haz27 on 7/10/14


//How and Why The Pharisees bought in adultery women, Jesus did not say can not heal her because of her sin did he?// What are you talking about?

// Infact Jesus said " Go ans sin no moew " ( Jhn 8:10) Its the Phariess and you who think God can not heal you because your sinful
decisions. Please give me scripture verse where it shows God did not help somome because of thier sinfulness!//


Ruben, who is talking about healing? Jesus did not come to save the righteous but the unrighteous.
Another thing, all human beings are sinful. And who is being saved? sinful people. So I have no clue what you are talking about. Get your facts together when you join in and ask questions. Agape
---Luke on 7/10/14


Haz27

I am for GOD and His word.

1Jo 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
This is written to the Church. You teach that no matter if you lie it is not a sin for lying is no longer a sin for you. You also said you do not have to confess your sins since nothing you do is a sin.


Romans 7:6.
Luke
Yes Luke that is what I teach. The letter is the start but we are to not to just not steal but to give and help. That is the true spirit of the Law.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/14


Luke * . That is your problem.

No my problem is you believing that God sends some to heaven and others to hell, scripture does not support your belief!

Luke * his sinful decisions stops God from doing His will


How and Why The Pharisees bought in adultery women, Jesus did not say can not heal her because of her sin did he? Infact Jesus said " Go ans sin no moew " ( Jhn 8:10) Its the Phariess and you who think God can not heal you because your sinful
decisions. Please give me scripture verse where it shows God did not help somome because of thier sinfulness!
---Ruben on 7/9/14


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Galatians 5:18 - But if ye be led of the spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Romans 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace,
---RICHARDC on 7/4/14


Just as today some in the church teach that Saints CANNOT SIN---Samuelbb7

1John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does NOT SIN, for His seed remains in him, and he CANNOT SIN, because he has been born of God.

1Pet 4:1
since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has CEASED FROM SIN

Gal 2:15
We who are Jews (Rom 2:28) by nature, and NOT SINNERS

1Pet 4:18
if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the SINNER APPEAR?

Samuel you're at odds with God.
---Haz27 on 7/4/14


Dear Samuel,
your attacks and arguments have been against Christians. Those in the passage were ungodly.
"All come short of the glory of God" that means everyone. Even those saved by the Lord. Our sinful body has not being redeemed yet.
But we are not under the law and you want to put the Christian, not the ungodly, under the law for the simple reason of the forth Commandment. No other reason.
"But now "we" (speaking of those saved already) have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that "we" should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter" Romans 7:6.
---Luke on 7/4/14


Dear Luke I cannot do that with you since you have stated that it is wrong to commit sins and not do what GOD tells us.

True those in Jude are lost men. But they were in the Church teaching these things as Christian doctrine.

Just as today some in the church teach that Saints cannot sin and everything they do even when it unloving and hateful is alright for them to do. That to repent of sin will cause a person to be lost. So that they have stated that we are not to repent of sin.

Does this not match what those in Jude taught?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/14


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If salvation is of ourselves then Jesus is NOT the savior. All that He can then be is a co-savior.

Ephesians 2:8f tells us that salvation is by grace not by works - something that sabbaterians, Roman Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and other work-faith salvation people do not teach.
---elee7537 on 7/3/14


What a crock with "lasciviousness"---Nana

1Cor 2:13,14
These things we also speak, not in words which mans wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
But the NATURAL man does NOT RECEIVE the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him, nor can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY discerned.


Why ignore the spiritual marriage between Christ and the church?

Under grace Christians are one spirit with the Lord, 1Cor 6:17.
Therefore we flee spiritual fornication (1Cor 6:18, 1Thess 4:3) with the alternative, who is Hagar (symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24).
---Haz27 on 7/3/14


Mar 7:20-23 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
/What a crock with "lasciviousness"! Christ defines lasciviousness as adultery which is a sin.\-Nana on 7/2/14
I agree with you, Nana, that lasciviousness defiles a man.
But, it is different than adulteries as evident in the list Jesus gave in Mark 7.
Shamelessness is a good word for it. Not only committing adultery or murder, but doing it openly without guilt. Boasting, Reveling
---micha9344 on 7/2/14


Matthew 5:27_28 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

What a crock with "lasciviousness"! Christ defines lasciviousness as adultery which is a sin.
---Nana on 7/2/14


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//Dear Luke Jude speaks of those who turn the Grace of GOD into a right to sin. Jude 1:4 Paul also warns about it.//

Dear Samuel,
This is your answer? Did you even read the passages to find out who were the certain men that turned the grace of God into lewdness and deny the only God?
These people were not Christian. They were not saved. So why do you use that passage against Christians? Why? You are saying Christians do those things. These people in Jude 1:4 were lost. ungodly men. Who long ago were marked out for this condemnation. Don't compare us with the ungodly to support your view on the law. Agape
---Luke on 7/2/14


Jude speaks of those who turn the Grace of GOD into a right to sin---Samuelbb7

Actually Jude says "lasciviousness", not sin. Lasciviousness is defined as lustfullness.

Lust for who? There are many scriptures speaking against sexual immorality (1Cor 5 and 6, 1Thess 4:3, etc). They refer to SPIRITUAL sexual immorality with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24.

Being saved by grace we are one spirit with The Lord 1Cor 6:17.
Therefore we flee fornication (1Cor6:18) with the alternative to grace, which is righteousness by works of the law (symbolised as Hagar, Gal 4:24).

It's the legalists who turn the grace of God into lust for righteousness by works.
---Haz27 on 7/1/14


Dear Luke Jude speaks of those who turn the Grace of GOD into a right to sin. Jude 1:4 Paul also warns about it.

Rom 6:1

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

Has not some here stated that a Christian cannot commit a sin? That there is no law anymore at all.

What lie did I make up to support works for salvation? Especially since I teach against and my church teaches against works for salvation?

Why would I make up a lie to support a doctrine I do not believe in?

Thank you for your second letter and the Christian spirit it showed of love.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/14


//. Luke because Ruben disagrees with your doctrine you judge Him as going to hell.//

Dear Samuel,
I did not judge him to hell, his answer does if he is not saved. I don't know if he is. I cannot make someone go to heaven, or hell, even in words. If he is upset I was chosen, and he says he is saved, he could not possibly be saved, he would be happy for me. I don't disagree with him being chosen, even you. I would be glad God chose you, not disappointed. I do not see the heart, I only judge his answers. But I understand your support for him, he is supporting works for salvation. SDA's and the RCC have the same doctrines, only written different. You are still my brother, who believes you know the truth, you just don't support it. Agape
---Luke on 7/1/14


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Dear Samuel,
I am not a prophet and never claimed to be. I see the answers people give. You say,
"I can say this in general but I am not allowed to point at any individual and say this means you. But I can say some people love the lies they make up."

Who are this people you are talking about? Before you said there was Christians who say they have a license to sin, and never gave one person who said that. You made up a lie to support works for salvation and your Saturday Sabbath. Now, with your answer you say there is people who love the lies they make up? Do you love them? You keep making up things not true. Why don't you just stop before you go to far. You should support the truth that is your duty. Agape
---Luke on 7/1/14


Dear Luke because Ruben disagrees with your doctrine you judge Him as going to hell. The only way you can do that is to know what is in his heart. You would have to be a prophet to do that.

The Bible says:
Rev 21:27

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

I can say this in general but I am not allowed to point at any individual and say this means you. But I can say some people love the lies they make up.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/14


Luke : Ruben brought up a good point, If you read James 2:24 , Just reading that verse, One could come to the conclusion a person is also saved by there own good works, Of coarse this would be a contradiction of Galatians 2:16 - Like to hear your explanation ,
I would say works are a part of faith , and not the main element that saves,

Ephesian 2:10 - For we are his workman ship created in Christ Jesus for good work ,
---RICHARDC on 6/30/14


Dear Ruben,
Your problem was not in whom God chose, but in Him choosing me. That is your problem. As I said before, if you are saved, He chose you too. That is only if you are saved. If not, then I can see why you are disappointed.
You gave 1 Tim. 2:3,4. Sort of saying that God wants everyone to be saved, but as Almighty God He cannot do what pleases Him. That man, with his sinful decisions stops God from doing His will. You add, that it also takes man's own works for the sacrifice of Christ to save you. His death alone is not sufficient enough.
I can now see why you are disappointed on my answers. You were not chosen by God, you earned your way into the Kingdom of God by your own works, you made your own door to go in. Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14


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Luke * Ruben, why God chooses some and not all.

You mean why you were chosen over others?

Luke * , as a believer I don't question His decisions.

Yes you do, scripture tell us " God our savior, who desires all men to be saved (1 Tim 2:3-4" but you say not so, just some like me(Luke)

Luke * with God's decisions when it comes to salvation.

I am not disappointed about Jesus teaching about salvation, just on you thinking you are one of those he chose:)

Luke * Grace functions totally apart from human merit or works, it rest completely in Christ. Agape

Yes, but we play a part as well. Scripture tells us again " We will be justified by OUR works and not by faith alone" ( Ja 2:24)
---Ruben on 6/27/14


Dear Ruben,
If you are a believer in Christ by faith, you too should have a love for Christ. I cannot speak for you, that you have to make sure of yourself. We are called to make our salvation sure. And if you are in love with Christ then you too was chosen by God. Why? I really don't know. But I believe by faith in the promises of God. If you have that faith, you will never doubt. But that faith has to be in Christ. For faith comes from hearing, but remember, hearing comes by the word of God. Agape
---Luke on 6/23/14


//Again, why did Christ give you true love for him, but others he does not? It was him who gave you the true love or did you get on your own?//

Ruben, I do not have an answer as to why God chooses some and not all. He is God and whatever He does is righteous, as a believer I don't question His decisions. Why He chose Israel over the other nations? Why He allowed me to be born in America, with access to Scripture and others to be born in Africa, starving, without the word of God? I don't know. Why He allows some to live four or five years, and others till they are 90? Sorry you are disappointed with God's decisions when it comes to salvation. Grace functions totally apart from human merit or works, it rest completely in Christ. Agape
---Luke on 6/22/14


Luke * Ruben,
I know I was chosen by God because I have a true love for Christ.

Again, why did Christ give you true love for him, but others he does not? It was him who gave you the true love or did you get on your own?


Luke * The Spirit revealed Him to me, because the Spirit speaks to my spirit. Yet,

But yet you claim he only save some and not others! Why did the spirit revealed himself to you but others he does not?


Luke * I know many have never had a true love for Christ.

According to you, it is because he does not want too..

Luke * Christ is the only window through which the sinner may see the face of God and not die.

Only if you are one of his chosen one, correct:)
---Ruben on 6/21/14


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//Luke, If there are no reason on why God chose some and not all. then how do you know you were chosen over others?//

Ruben,
I know I was chosen by God because I have a true love for Christ. The Spirit revealed Him to me, because the Spirit speaks to my spirit. Yet, I know many have never had a true love for Christ. When I was converted through faith in Christ, what I saw with the eyes of my heart was "the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ" (2 Cor. 4:4). The gospel is the good news of "the glory of Christ" When I embrace Christ, I embraced God. Christ is the only window through which the sinner may see the face of God and not die.
How about you? Do you have a true love for Christ? Agape
---Luke on 6/21/14


love.jesus. Note the words of Jesus in Matt 18:17
let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

This is consistent with what Paul said. These are warnings not to associate with professing Christians who teach righteousness by works of the law.

It's not saying don't invite unbelievers to church.
The point being made by Jesus and Paul is that Christians should not tolerate the false teachings of unbelievers (such as legalists) who profess to be Christian.
---Haz27 on 6/21/14


Haz, It seems, then, that Jesus and Paul were at odds. Jesus didn't say those things, Paul did, or else somebody writing in Paul's name. I would hate to go to a church where the main purpose was to keep out to people they didn't approve of.
---love.jesus on 6/20/14


"it was the Pharisees who wanted to expell people from the congregation who didn't measure up, not Jesus"---love.jesus

1Cor 5:9 not to company with fornicators

1Cor 5:12 do not ye judge them that are within?

1cor 5:13 put away from among yourselves that wicked person

Matt 18:17 let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican

2Cor 6:14-17 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?...Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


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In the Gospels, it was the Pharisees who wanted to expell people from the congregation who didn't measure up, not Jesus.
---love.jesus on 6/20/14


Peter, regarding Matt 18:15, what "sin" does this refer to?
Firstly, note its context. It's about salvation.

The sin Matt 18:15 refers to is described in 1Cor 6:15-18
Flee fornication (with Hagar, symbolic for righteousness by works of law, Gal 4:24). Every sin that a man doeth is without the body (of Christ we abide in), but he that committeth fornication (with Hagar) sinneth against his own body.

It refers to unbelief in Jesus, which is the sin the world is convicted of, John 16:9. If anyone is in spiritual fornication with Hagar (symbolic for righteousness by works, Gal 4:24) such are in unbelief. We should expel such from the church (Matt 18:17, 1Cor 5:9,13).
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


People can claim to be saved based on this:
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive." (1 Corinthians 15:22)
---love.jesus on 6/20/14


Ruben on 6/19/14 - Then how do you Know you are chosen over others:

Romans 8:16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our Spirit that we are Children of God :
---RICHARDC on 6/20/14


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"How would you call it?"--Peter

I guess we could call any wrong we do "wrong".
But to call it "sin" causes many to misunderstand scriptures.
Sin is defined as transgression of the law, 1John 3:4.
It's also defined as unrighteousness, 1John 5:17.
And sin results in death.

Neither of these definitions of sin apply to Christians.
We're not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18) hence we cannot be charged with this sin. Where there is no law there is no transgression/Sin, Rom 4:15. Whatever the law says IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER IT, Rom 3:19

Our faith is counted for righteousness (Rom 4:5), hence we cannot be charged with the sin of unrighteousness.
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


Haz27 on 6/19/14: The Bible verses you list '1John 3:9 says we CANNOT sin' are true, yes.

But what do you about Jesus comments in Matt 18:15 'If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault'.

The way Jesus says it, He seems to take it that some sin might occur.

You comment about 'cannot be charged with sin' is true, but it may be said, still, that something we may not be the ideal God has for us.

How then shall we phrase what we do if that is not God's best for us? How would you call it?
---Peter on 6/19/14


"We become Born again and learn to hate sin"--Samuelbb7

But 1Pet4:1 says we've CEASED from sin. And 1John 3:9 says we CANNOT sin.
Clearly there's no "learn to hate sin involved, as you suggest.

BTW "sin" ONLY applies to those under the law, as whatever the law says IT SAYS TO THOSE UNDER, Rom 3:19.

Christians are not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:18) hence we cannot be charged with sin (Rom 8:33, Rom 4:15).
---Haz27 on 6/19/14


We know we are saved when the HOLY SPIRIT comes into our lives and changes us.

We become Born again and learn to hate sin. This is the result of the HOLY SPIRIT working in our life.

I went from never wanting to read the Bible to loving to read it and studying and using it for my prayer life.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/14


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There is no reason given why God chose some and not all.
Nobody deserves salvation, everyone deserves death. All we can say as believers in Christ is, "Thank you Lord for saving me a sinner." Agape
---Luke on 6/17/14

Luke,

If there are no reason on why God chose some and not all. then how do you know you were chosen over others?
---Ruben on 6/19/14


Romans 2:7_11 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile, But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God."

That all men deserve death is not true.
---Nana on 6/18/14


//If God alone is the Judge of our fitness for heaven, then why do some proclaim that they are "saved"?//

Dear Jerry,
I waited for your answer, but to this day, nothing. God alone is the Judge of all. Those He chose before the foundation of the world are not worthy of salvation, no one is. We are all sinners before God. There is no reason given why God chose some and not all. And since God is God, every decision He made and will make is always righteous whether we like it or not.
Nobody deserves salvation, everyone deserves death. All we can say as believers in Christ is, "Thank you Lord for saving me a sinner." Agape
---Luke on 6/17/14


Seldom in denominationalism did I hear verses explaining my position in Christ. I heard confess sins. dont do that. pray about it. Ok, now what?
Paul was instructed to give us Col.2:10
KNOWING who you are in Christ makes the difference. Religion doesn't answer these questions.
Christian life doesn't operate on the basis of ignorance.
If you are saved you are part of what God is doing today and He has fully equipped you to do His will.
It's the application of this knowledge, revealed in the Pauline epistles that allows believers to fully appreciate the role of the Creator in our lives.

God wants us to serve him from a heart of gratitude and thanks for what he has done for us in his death, burial and resurrection.
---michael_e on 6/13/14


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What makes me worthy of Salvation. The Love of GOD shown in his Grace towards me in that His son the only begotten of the Father died to save me from my sins.

That his perfect righteousness is assigned to me by faith through His Grace alone.

Praise the LORD and Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/12/14


Jerry, since you posted the blog, what makes you worthy of salvation? Agape
---Luke on 6/9/14


Amen Nana and Rita.

In our church we expect students to complete a 24 lesson Bible study before being Baptized.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/14


Nothing is free,
Romans 6:4 "Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

What is this walk?

It is opposite that of the world, Colossians 3:5_8 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth, fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them."

No Chistian walk, no Christianity. That should be taught, that effort is required but the rewards plentiful.
---Nana on 6/3/14


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barb - a truly wonderful answer and links in with my question about the Sinners Prayer card. Some enquirers are being told, and taught, far too little and many live now thinking they are saved just because a misguided person told them that a prayer card or a particular action on their part was all that was needed.

New 'converts' (if that is what they really are) need follow up (counselling) and should not be left to flounder and work it all out for themselves. It think that some people, given the position of counsellors, have not been taught too well themselves.
---Rita_H on 6/2/14


When a person trusts in JESUS and turns his life and heart over to Him they can say they are saved.

We are to be saved from living in sin and to be allowed to go to Heaven.

Praise the LORD agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/14


Hello,Family,wonderfull topic..all respect to all.

I am saved by His power divine,saved to new life,by His blood which cleanse
nothing can I.do on my own without Him. Jn3:17,Col.1:14, 1Jn.1:7b, Rev.3:20
1 Tim.2:5
Thankfully, love agape brothers & sisters.
Love of Jesus! Elena 9555
---Elena9555 on 5/29/14


"There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he has testified of his Son. He that believes on the Son of God has the witness in himself: he that believes not God has made him a liar, because he believes not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has life, and he that has not the Son of God has not life." 1Jo 5:1-13
---josef on 5/30/14


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Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v 38, Matt. 24 v 13.
---Lawrnce on 5/29/14


Because they have been told to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and they will be saved, therefore they think they are saved. Few ask themselves "believe what?"

Jesus taught salvation by word and example. He kept His Father's commandments and told us to abide in His Word/testimony. He taught that anyone who does not pick up his cross and follow Him is not worthy of Him. Matt 10:38. How does one pick up his cross and follow Jesus if that person chooses darkness over the Way/Light that can lead him to the Truth? John 3:18-21.
---barb on 5/29/14


God's judgment is what makes one fit for him.
---love.jesus on 5/29/14


How are we saved? By the blood of the lamb and the word of our testamony. How will God judge? By what he has given to us and he has given us his all.
---Bryan on 5/29/14


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Romans 8,16 - The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit , that we are children of God,
---RICHARDC on 5/29/14


Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope...
1Co 15:1 ...I declare unto you the gospel..By which also ye are saved...
2Co 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith...
Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
We, who are His, should boldly proclaim such.
---micha9344 on 5/28/14


Acts 16:31 - King James Bible "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."

This is why some of us proclaim that we are saved. The wording is very similar in every version of the bible I could find.

We should, surely, be able to take God at His Word.
---Rita_H on 5/28/14


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