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Haz27 I was saying that is what you teach about Justification.
In Seventh day Adventist teaching we also speak of Justification. That is where GOD declares us through the sacrifice of JESUS as if we had never sinned. Each day we are to be justified anew.
But sin still exists for Christians as 1John2:1 states. We are not saved by the law but we are to not break the law for it is a sin to do so. As Romans 6,7 & 8 say as well as Romans 3:31 which states the law is established. But law and love are together.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas 2:8
---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/14


Dear Nana,
I pray for you because God commands me to do that. I do not pray because you insult me, I pray for you because your tongue is corrupt and your heart needs a change. You believe in works for the salvation, the reason there is no change in your character. you are not alone, there is many around here who throw personal insults at others when they answer. Maybe, just maybe, God will call you and change you. I pray he does. Love me, as God commands, or hate me, by slandering me. When the stabbing stops, I will know there is a change in your heart. Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14


there is nothing that is a sin for you.---Samuel

But Samuel, you recognised this yourself, remember? "I now understand how you define not sinning as a legal matter. We call what you are talking about Justification. We become as if we never sinned. You do not need to repent since in a technical sense you cannot sin"

So why then do SDA still use the law to say Christians sin and need to repent? Scripture says we're not under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18). And where there is no law there is no transgression/Sin, Rom 4:15.

Simply, love does no ill to another. And in this imperfect world we need this love that forgives 7x70.
The law is not part of Christ's commandments 1John 3:23.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14


I am not perfect. JESUS is my Savior.
Haz27 You say you do not sin because there is nothing that is a sin for you.

JESUS
Luke 18:20 Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
By your word JESUS did not mean these things and they are no longer sin for any person on earth, since they are all done away with, all people are saved because there is no more sin.
If you loved people then you would not say that it is okay to commit these sins.
We are not legalists who try to save ourselves by works.
We believe that loving GOD results in actions of love that go beyond the written law.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/25/14


"I was not insulting him, I was correcting him."
Luke on 6/25/14

You are delusional (loca)! Why, you can't listen?
What you think you were doing is irrelevant (not insulting, correcting).
He said, "I am hurt by this false accusation" and that's that.

Samuelbb7 has been very tolerant to you since you changed your name
as if he did not know you (maybe he did not), nevertheless extending
kindness. I saw it and knew that you would make him sorry and you did.
That is why I said, "Do not feed the animals".

Your dear and agape are like 'hissing' against the wind. It means
nothing to me.
---Nana on 6/25/14




//Luke, The animal is you and the advice is for Sammuelbb7.//

Dear nana,
You called me an animal, assuming your tongue will bring you rewards. But it only shows what kind of fruits you are producing. Samuel is a brother in Christ, he does not have a speck or a plank in his eye. I was not insulting him, I was correcting him. He knows I respect him as he has respected me. There is no personal vengeance in my heart for anyone as there is with yours. He made a point when he said Christians should not make a habit of sinning. You made his point. he is right, many so call Christians love to sin. And my answer is, they are not Christian brothers or sisters. There has been no change in your heart. Agape
---Luke on 6/25/14


follow in the Spirit you do not break the letter---Samuel.

Samuel, why then do you break the law? You admit you break it so are you saying you do not walk in the Spirit?

In contrast to SDA doctrine, we see that Christ's commandments are, 1John 3:23)
1:Believe on Jesus
2:Love one another


Clearly the law/ministry of death written on stones (2Cor3:7) is not included in Christ's commandments.

So why do legalists reject his commandments and mix works of law with grace, when God says not to (Rom 11:6)?

We are one spirit with the Lord, 1Cor 6:17. Thus we must abstain from spiritual fornication (1Thess4:3, 1Cor6:18) with Hagar, (symbolic for righteousness by works of law, Gal 4:24)
---Haz27 on 6/25/14


"As believers we are to give the glory to God in all things. Everything."
It does not mean I do not love you. I just wish you would stand for the Spirit of the Law. But your arguments are for the written law, and that gives the glory to man for their work in salvation. Agape Luke

Yes we are to give glory to GOD in everything. I agree.

Since we do not work for salvation how does that give Glory to man? We work to show the Glory of GOD who has changed us.

The Spirit of the law goes above the written. We do not only do not steal we give and help others. I have and will continue to proclaim that we are to follow the Spirit. But if you follow in the Spirit you do not break the letter.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/24/14


Luke,

The animal is you and the advice is for Sammuelbb7.
He said, "Luke, I am hurt by this false accusation."

If Samuel is your brother, why do you bear false witness?

You started slow Mark_V. (Lisa), with your new name Luke, but your wings are growing at par with your claws.
---Nana on 6/24/14


To Nana,
You forgot to read the passages before Matthew 7:6,

"And why do you look at the speck in your brothers eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to "your brother" Let me remove the speck from your eye, and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers" eye." Matthew 7:3-5.

Before you make a comment like the one you made, you should understand that passage is not intended for a brother in Christ. Samuel is a brother in Christ.
The passage you gave is a principle on how one handles the gospel in the face of those who hate the Truth. Agape
---Luke on 6/24/14




"Do not feed the animals"

It is dangerous, Matthew 7:6 "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
---Nana on 6/22/14


Dear Samuel,
I am sorry you are hurt. I cannot find a reason why you come out with the law other then to protect your belief's in the Forth Commandment. The same holds true for Jerry, and a few others who have come and gone. I know it is important for you, but it is done at the expense of the work of the Holy Spirit in a believers life. You cannot have both. I know you know what is the truth, which makes it even more critical since you do. "As believers we are to give the glory to God in all things. Everything."
It does not mean I do not love you. I just wish you would stand for the Spirit of the Law. But your arguments are for the written law, and that gives the glory to man for their work in salvation. Agape
---Luke on 6/21/14


Luke
I am hurt by this false accusation. The HOLY SPIRITs work in the believers life that brings about sanctification.
Everything a Christian does is because of GOD working in their life.

I have come to expect this from Haz. I told you how you were so right on why and for what reason we do good works.
We are lost poor sinners unworthy of nothing but death and destruction. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.
What credit can a baby take for being born what credit can we take for being begotten by the HOLY SPIRIT? Sanctification is the work of GOD in our hearts. I will never agree to anything but this truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/20/14


//Pushing people under the law is denying the Holy Spirit's work in each individual that is His.
The 10C has it's work to do, until all come to Christ.//

Dear Michael,
I totally agree with you. I tried to point that out to Samuel, but he comes back with the written Law. He cannot let go of the Law because of the fourth Commandment. In doing so he does it at the expense of the Holy Spirit's work in the believers life. Where is the glory to God? In his response the glory goes to man for his work. Yet he doesn't seem to mind about not giving the glory to God for His work in sanctification. That is why you cannot get any SDA to leave the work of the written law behind. Agape
---Luke on 6/20/14


Samuel, you would do better to seek understanding from Christ our teacher, instead of SDA.
SDA take much out of context and read scripture as a natural man would.

As for James 2:10 note it's context to see who it addresses.
James 2:4 have you not shown partiality among yourselves, and become judges with evil thoughts?
James 2:6 But you have dishonored the poor man.

SDA misunderstand "fruits","establish", and James 2. For SDA it's all about works of the law.
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


"the TenC bring us to JESUS and let us know we are sinners."---Samuelbb7

Well, yes, the law brought us (when we were lost) to Christ, showing that mankind was in sin and needing a savior. BUT once we receive Christ we are no longer under a tutor (the law), Gal 3:25. Our righteousness is now by faith, Rom 4:5.

Samuel, I suspect you're saying that Christians are still sinners. If so then that is error. Note Gal 2:15
We who are Jews by nature (Christians/having circumcision of the heart, Rom 2:29) and NOT SINNERS.

A sinner is an unbeliever. One who rejects righteousness by faith. This includes those who bring themselves under the law preaching works, as they make themselves a sinner, Gal 2:18.
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


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Yes Micha the TenC bring us to JESUS and let us know we are sinners.

They also tell us what sin is. Think of a School Teacher who teaches you to read. When you leave the school do you not say I need to forget how to read since I am out of school?

The TenC tell us what sin is. Which as Christian we are to consider the minimum start because if we just do not do wrong then we are worthless servants.


Luke 17:10

So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/14


Gal 5:22-23 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
The fruit of the Spirit has no relation to the 10C.
The 10C points out the need for a Saviour.
If one is "sealed" by the Holy Spirit of redemption, the fruits will show, or start showing, as we are being "conformed to the image of Christ", no longer sin having power over us.
The 10C is no longer a concern, nor is it an influence, directing us to the One that we have living inside His holy temple.
Pushing people under the law is denying the Holy Spirit's work in each individual that is His.
The 10C has it's work to do, until all come to Christ.
---micha9344 on 6/18/14


Mat7:16, Mat7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Christians are not even under the law. Scripture says to be righteous is to obey the law of righteousness PERFECTLY. ONE offence makes you guilty of ALL James 2:10. Haz27
What about verse 11,12.
Jas 2:11,12 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
As you admit James is speaking to Christians. You deny this scripture is true. You deny the words of JESUS in Matthew. You deny that establish means establish. Romans 3:31
All scripture is to be used to form a doctrine.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/14


The Bible is not an idol, it is the word of God written by certain writers God inspired, and that word has been translated in many languages so that everyone can understand it in his own language. Words have been omitted and some change for the purpose of communicating the meaning God wanted to convey to us. The meaning still remains the same. Agape
---Luke on 6/17/14


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Yes, it is possible.

For example, Moses made a bronze serpent (Numbers 21:9) for the people to look at to protect them from serpents. Hezekiah (2 Kings 18:4) destroyed the bronze serpent because people had started burning incense to it.

It is somewhat challenging to worship God and to give Him the honor he deserves while appreciating that the Bible reveals Him.
---Rod4Him on 6/12/14


Nana, Christ is our teacher (Matt 23:8, 1John 2:27). I suggest you trust him instead of Gill's Exposition.
Gill's quote you gave is not supported in scripture.

Gill said: "show themselves to be good and righteous, like, though not equal to him"
That is a very ambiguous claim.

Somehow Gill suggests near enough is good enough. This begs the question, what is near enough to righteousness?
And why is Gill judging righteousness by deeds of the law?
Christians are not even under the law (Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:18. 1Tim 1:9).

Scripture says to be righteous is to obey the law of righteousness PERFECTLY. Just ONE offence makes you guilty of ALL the law, James 2:10.

---Haz27 on 6/13/14


Haz27
You seem to be saying. That a person believes and then lives in doing wrong and being selfish and hateful is still saved because they believe.
Yes we are saved by JESUS alone. But believing results in actions. A person who follows JESUS is to love and help others.
We commit sin which is why we need a Savior.

We are not saved by what we do. How many times must I say this before you quit lying?

But if we are sanctified by JESUS it results in us doing good works as the many passages that say so in the Bible and you do not answer point out.
Why do you keep insisting that liars, thieves and murders can be saved without stopping their sins?
Good point Nana.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/14


"I agree that we should not judge another if they are a good Christian."

Let's get real here for a moment. How can you know if a person is a "good Christian" without judging?

It is not wrong to judge if we judge in righteousness. That is what Matt 7 teaches. So, let's get this correct.
---Elder on 6/13/14


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2)

"Christ showed himself to be righteous as man, by doing good, so believers in him, by imitating him, and walking as he walked, show themselves to be good and righteous, like, though not equal to him, for as a tree is known by its fruits, so is a good man by his good works, and a righteous man by doing righteousness, and as good fruit does not make a good tree, but shows it to be good, so good works do not make a good man, nor a man's own righteousness make him a righteous man, but show him to be so."

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
---Nana on 6/12/14


Samuel.
Sanctification is through Christ's sacrifice, Heb 10:10. Nothing more than this, unless you're suggesting Christ's sacrifice did not do a complete job?

To do righteousness is PERFECT obedience to the law. SDA's fail to do this righteousness.

But to believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, that is how we do righteousness.
---Haz27 on 6/12/14


If you believe you will live the way JESUS did. Strongs says Sanctification means: consecration, purification, the effect of consecration, sanctification of heart and life. KJV Translation Count Total: 10x
The KJV translates Strong's in the following manner: holiness (5x), sanctification (5x).
His will is that we do Good Works. Yes our Faith saves us. But we are to do righteousness.

1John3:10 ...whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

2Ti3:17 Tit 2:14

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
---Samuelbb7 on 6/12/14


1)
1 John 3:7 "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous."

"It is the hope of hypocrites, not of the sons of God, that makes allowance for gratifying impure desires and lusts."

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary
---Nana on 6/12/14


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Samuel, you said if we "do not intend to follow His will but do what you wish. Then GOD will judge your heart".

That's correct. And what is God's will?

John 6:40 this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and BELIEVETH ON HIM, may have everlasting life

1Thess 4:3 this is the will of God, even your sanctification (which we have when we BELIEVE ON JESUS, Heb 10:10), that ye should abstain from fornication (with Hagar, symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24).

The thief on the cross followed God's will. He BELIEVED ON JESUS. His faith was counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5

BUT, the law is NOT of faith, Gal 3:12
---Haz27 on 6/12/14


Haz27 I agree that we should not judge another if they are a good Christian. So please quit judging me and my whole Church. A person who says they believe and does not do is lying to themselves and others.
You can be a good Christian and not have kept Sabbath. In fact the majority of people will not keep their first Sabbath until after they get to Heaven.
But if you are convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT that you should keep the Sabbath and tell GOD that no you will not do so and do not intend to follow His will but do what you wish. Then GOD will judge your heart.
Now the last question I asked was if you knew for a fact a person lied continuously and felt it was okay to do so what would you say to them and how would you correct them?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/11/14


Samuel, you asked, "Would you say He is a good Christian?
How would you correct him?"

Christians do not judge one another whether they're a "good Christian". Instead we encourage one another to continue believing on Jesus. And it's God who corrects.

But lets use other examples. You have admitted you fail to live perfectly. Are you a good Christian?

And what about the many here on CN who do not keep the Sabbath as is so often preached here? Are we good Christians in spite of not keeping the Sabbath?
We all know that Francis and Jerry have preached condemnation on this issue. And I recall you also seemed to lean this way.
---Haz27 on 6/11/14


Haz27
JESUS is our Righteousness. So since He is perfect our Righteousness is perfect. We do not determine righteousness by the works of the law.
We should never condemn anyone for that is judging. I know some SDA do this and it makes my sorry and ashamed. GOD alone can judge the heart. That is not our job.
Suppose you had a member of your church who agreed with all you said. But he made his living by lying to people. For instance as a Politician. Now you knew he was lying, he bragged about lying and was happy to whisper too many that he made his living by lying. Would you say He is a good Christian?
How would you correct him?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14


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Samuel, whilst you say you're saved by grace, you stll determine righteousness by works of the law, which is being lukewarm, mixing works with grace.
You, jerry ,Francis have preached condemnation to us here on CN because we do not keep Saturday Sabbath.

You're correct the minimum standard of obedience under the law is PERFECT obedience (James 2:10).
But, SDA's FAIL THIS STANDARD. So why do SDA's then condemn non-SDA's for failing also?

Clearly SDA's think there's an alternative minimum standard. What is that alternative minimum standard?
Also, we all live different life spans so how does that factor in? Are those with short lives blessed in not having to prove "imparted" righteousness?

---Haz27 on 6/10/14


Samuel, you asked "Are you saying that Christians should disobey the law"
This is a common question by SDA's and it's a misleading one, suggesting that somehow I'm saying Christians should live a selfish lifestyle.

My point has always been why SDA's preach condemnation for Christians whose righteousness is not by works of the law? Christians are NOT under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:18, 1Tim 1:9.

Christians love one another, and that without the law threatening them with condemnation for failure to attain some ambiguous minimum standard.

Each Christian's circumstances vary. Different stages of maturity. Different life spans. And regardless of this, it's all about believing on Jesus.
---Haz27 on 6/10/14


Haz haz You make false charges about minimum Standards. Is it okay and not a sin for you to make false and lying charges?
The minimum standard is absolute perfection which is given to us by the death and resurrection of our High Priest in Heaven JESUS CHRIST.
We are not under legalistic Doctrine. By the New Covenant the Law of GOD is written in our hearts. We are Holy because GOD has declared us Holy. Are you saying that Christians should disobey the law in their actions and not aim to obey GOD not do good works?
Tit 2:14 Eph 2:10

I am not saved by my perfection but by the Blood of JESUS CHRIST who is my High Priest who lives to intercede for me. 1John 2.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


Haz27
So I am correct you teach that you cannot sin because sin cannot be charged against you. Not because you never do wrong but because you have faith.

GOD will discipline us for breaking the law. So then you should aim to never break the law because Christians are to not just to be right but do right. Then I will not quibble about your point of if it is a sin since we both end at the same truth.
I had a conversation with a Baptist many years ago. We agreed that a person is saved who lives saved for all his life is saved. That no one is correct if they say they are saved but they live in disobedience to the Law of GOD. For you for now I will just say nine of the Ten. Because obedience is about love of GOD and others. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


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Samuel, you said "You teach that for you there is no such thing as sin."

Whilst Christians are not perfect in behavior, these failings are not sin that can be charged against us. Also, Christians will not profit by doing wrong. God disciplines us if we do.

For Christians our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. We are not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18.
Thus we cannot be charged with sin of unrighteousness, 1John 5:17, nor sin of transgression of the law.
As our life is hid with Christ in God (Col 3:3), then to say a Christian sins is to say there is sin in Christ.

But "sin" is something that the lost are charged with. They're unrighteous.
---Haz27 on 6/7/14


If you are a PRIMADONNA ("loving yourself" excessively), then you must likewise treat other people as primadonnas (love others AS you love/regard yourself).

Whenever and IF you decide to "give" help/assistance to someone, it should be because you WANT TO (ARE GLAD/happy) "give" of your time and effort (do not "give" GRUDGINGLY,....for The Lord loves a "CHEERFUL giver")....this verse speaks AGAINST HYPOCRISY (and says NOTHING about money).

Everything about scripture has been taught wrong and has also been enthusiastically learned and believed by US (the self-righteous).

Believe as you wish.
---faithforfaith on 6/6/14


Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
My problem is not with you saying the word but in living the word. You teach that for you there is no such thing as sin. So lying, stealing, hating, seditions and witchcraft are not sins. You can do them for they are just fine and okay to do.
Hebrews 10:14 the final word there is Sanctified.
Which means II.to separate from profane things and dedicate to God. So we are to be separated from sins and not do them.
Gal 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
And the whole rest of the chapter.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/14


Samuel, you said:"Notice Has you leave out the word LORD. Why?
The standard for Salvation is perfection. We cannot achieve it, but aim for it."

Due to CN's word limits I leave a lot out that can be easily assumed by others here. I would have thought you were able to work that out. Hence there is no problem with calling Jesus LORD. I've even done it out aloud when preaching the gospel in public.

So if you claim we're not perfected in Christ and can only hope to aim for it, can you provide scripture to support this?

Can I suggest you consider Heb 10:14. For by one offering he hath PERFECTED forever them that are sanctified.
---Haz27 on 6/5/14


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Nana, I'm happy you said that. Have a blessed day.
---love.jesus on 6/5/14


The Holy Spirit is the assurance of all believers. Jesus said,
"I will never leave you nor forsake you" Never means never. Even if you try to run away, you cannot get away from Christ. He is always with you.

Once the Holy Spirit comes to indwell believers, He not only baptizes them into one body in Christ, but also seals them to the day of redemption. Trust in the Lord not on your own works. If you trust in your own works, you will fail, Jesus never fails. Never, Agape
---Luke on 6/5/14


1 Corinthians 4:3_4 "But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self. For I know nothing by myself, yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord."


love.jesus,

Know that I do not judge myself or anyone, whether I or you meet was is asked of us by the dictums of the word of God. Even Christ said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."(Matthew 5:48) He said it, not me. Philippians 3:12 "Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." (Paul)
---Nana on 6/5/14


Yes just believe in JESUS and you will be saved. That is what Haz says.

What does the Bible say.


Act 15:11

But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Act 16:31

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom 10:9

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Notice Has you leave out the word LORD. Why?

The standard for Salvation is perfection. We cannot achieve it, but aim for it.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/14


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Nana, are you always able to live up to that standard yourself?
---love.jesus on 6/4/14


"Nana, ..., how can he know for sure that he is maintaining a high enough standard?"
love.jesus on 6/3/14

Colossians 3 Paul attests that his audience did not live in the sins they once lived,"In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." Yet, Paul continues, "But now ye also put off all these, anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth." It wasn't enough the change at first, Paul steered them further as he states in Hebrews 6:1, " let us go on unto perfection". You want assurance? Here it is, Romans 2:7 "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:..."
---Nana on 6/4/14


Oh Father how I love Your WORD,
and Who THE WORD would be,
I know THE WORD is Your own Son,
And I know He lives in Me.

Oh Jesus I do love You,
And this one thing I know,
It's not from our head knowledge,
That Your love in us will grow.

It's faith in Our Lord Jesus,
From the heart we open wide,
To let him in forevermore,
And there with Him Abide.

I believe the answer to this question is something one cannot judge another by. Only God can see the heart.
---kathr4453 on 6/4/14


//If a Christian has to perform and meet a certain standard in order to stay right with God, how can he know for sure that he is maintaining a high enough standard? And he will end up trusting in himself for his own salvation rather than trusting in God's grace.//----love.jesus

True.

Sadly we see such lukewarm doctrines often on forums. They mix works of the law with grace.

These lukewarm doctrines never have scripture to detail what that minimum standard is that they preach so much about. Theirs is an ambiguous doctrine.

The gospel of grace, however, is specific. Believe on Jesus and you will have eternal life.
---Haz27 on 6/4/14


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Thanks,Everybody you ever heard like our pastor says..
Re: The Bible
This book will Keep you from Sin.
Or Sin will.keep you from this book!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/3/14


Good points and GOD bless you Nana and Elenna.


Mat 16:24

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Mar 8:34

And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/14


Nana, think of it this way: If a Christian has to perform and meet a certain standard in order to stay right with God, how can he know for sure that he is maintaining a high enough standard? And he will end up trusting in himself for his own salvation rather than trusting in God's grace.
---love.jesus on 6/3/14


"In the Old Testament one had to do specific good works to stay in God's favor."
love.jesus on 6/3/14

You are making that up.

Colossians 3:5_8 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth, fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them. But now ye also put off all these, anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth."

According to that, if you walk in fornication, uncleanness, etc., all you'll get is the wrath of God. Same as always, (John 8:29).
---Nana on 6/3/14


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I completely agree, no one just saved by works at all. In the Old Testament one had to do specific good works to stay in God's favor. But now his favor is absolutely free, and he asks nothing in return for you to maintain it. That is the glory of God's grace!
---love.jesus on 6/3/14


To Bro.Samuelbb7,others yes,since a lill girl my grandmother read me the bible..Dt.8:3, 2 Sam.22,31
Pro.30:5 2.Cor.4:2

Like others here the Bible is without flaws. I have quite a many bibles and a few are ragged..the important thing for me daily die to the flesh!
I.take my bible with me most every where..

Love of Jesus! Elena 5999
---Elena9555 on 6/3/14


/God can and does go against his word, as it were...So God is not bound by what is written.\-love.jesus on 5/30/14
Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie, neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began,
Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which [it was] impossible for God to lie,
2Sam 22:31 [As for] God, his way [is] perfect, the word of the LORD [is] tried: he [is] a buckler to all them that trust in him.
-I will not worship a god that goes back on his word.
---micha9344 on 6/2/14


Samuel, God can and does go against his word, as it were. So God is not bound by what is written.
love.jesus

I disagree. No one can and ever will be saved by works. You are saying that millions used to be saved by works but now that is no longer true.

The blood of the Sacrifices represented JESUS and it is His death alone that allowed them to be saved.

No one is saved but by the Blood that JESUS shed.

The moral laws of the Old Testament are still in effect. You cannot steal, lie and murder and think that it is okay to do so.

Matthew five points out we must do more then the law but show love. We are not to just not steal but give. Read Matthew 25.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/14


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An idol is anything we give attention to in a manner that prevents us from honouring the instructions of God that we know. Therefore, to a Christian indeed, the Bible cannot be an idol. But many unbelievers wrongly pick & choose some parts of the Bible to support their disobedience of God.
---Adetunji on 6/1/14


Samuel, if that is the case, then I am delighted! 1.Tim.4:10
---love.jesus on 5/30/14


Samuel, God can and does go against his word, as it were. He established the law of Moses and then for us abolished it. Salvation, as it were, was previously by works and now it is by grace completely. So God is not bound by what is written.
---love.jesus on 5/30/14


Scott 1. Sorry but I don't understand these words "a life in not" but I think you are saying that a well worn bible shows that it has been very well used. With that I must agree and I am always very pleased when I see bibles in that well-worn state.
---Rita_H on 5/30/14


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If we don't read it and live by what it has to say to us it is pointless owning it.
---Rita_H on 5/29/14

a cool little saying of this I like is
"A Bible in tatters usually means a life in not."
---Scott1 on 5/30/14


Shira, Perhaps you can enlighten us as to which version of the bible God wrote !
---1st_cliff on 5/29/14


Good point Rita, Shira and Bryan.

Just owning a Bible and showing the book reverence without reading or following it is making an idol out of it.

Remember our bodies are the temple of the HOLY SPIRIT.

Dear LoveJesus GOD will not go against his own word. He can and does things the Bible does not tell us. But he will not go against what he says is truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/30/14


If God is bound by anything, he is not all powerful. You have personally tied him down so he'll do only what you expect.
---love.jesus on 5/29/14


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I would like to know where In the bible does it say we can have too much of it? I've never have heard of that mess in my life. We don't study it enough. I don't know one single person who reads the bible too much. I revere my bible. I won't let anyone put anything on it. It has happened and I would immediately remove it. It's Words are precious and divine. I don't study near what I should. Thanks Bryan, I appreciate you very much.
---shira4368 on 5/29/14


Some people do indeed make an idol out of the bible. I knew of one person, a Roman Catholic, who had a large family bible lying flat on a particular surface in his sitting room. One day a visitor placed his cup of coffee on the bible and the guest went demented. It was considered the biggest offense imaginable.

This man used the bible purely as an idol but NEVER read it. That is one of several similar incidents I could tell you about.

If we don't read it and live by what it has to say to us it is pointless owning it.
---Rita_H on 5/29/14


Shira good word if all believers would hear that, we would change the world Glory to God.
---Bryan on 5/29/14


The "perditious"/destructive teachings that have been taught and accepted for 2000 years have become 'PROCEDURES'/protocol (no worship FROM THE HEART), simply actions/activities that are 'PERFORMED' (don't do the 'God Dance' or ENTERTAIN God).

Love Him as FATHER (Abba Father), not MASTER. Don't need to be COMMANDED/ordered to do good, be a "LOVER OF GOODNESS", then you can be a SON of His.

Titus 1:8
"lover of goodness, master of himself"....THIS is what The Father wants of us.
Ephesians 5:8 "walk as children of light....We should be "good and right and true" (God is light).
---faithforfaith on 5/29/14


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Jesus did warn that devotion to the Scriptures can get in the way of seeing Him, so yes, the Bible can be an idol in some few cases.

But that's not the fault of the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 5/29/14


The Bible is here to tell us about GOD and warn us about right and wrong.

But it is not magic and having Bible's especially unread and ignored ones do not help us against the devil.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/29/14


The CONTENTS in Scripture are the Covenants of God of which God is most assuredly bound by. God cannot LIE. Hebrews will explain.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/14


The fact that God cannot lie. That means everything in the bible is truth. God wrote it and He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
---shira4368 on 5/29/14


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I try to keep in mind that the Bible is not the fourth member of the Trinity. It is inspired, but God is not bound by its contents by any means.
---love.jesus on 5/29/14


People are known to make idols out of anything. They do and they can, may not help much. They have the right to, but it does not make it right. God said, "Put nothing before me".
---Bryan on 5/29/14


Sure, the Pharisees come to mind. Those that use the Bible as a weapon against others. Reading the Bible should be a humbling experience not lead to pride.
---Scott1 on 5/29/14


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