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After being thrown out (banished, exiled) from God's heaven, has the devil been able to return there since?

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nana and luke are missing each others point. God gave us a choice to accept Him or reject Him. this horse has been ridden so long, he's giving out. God can do what He wants but He does want everyone to be saved but He wont force Himself on man. God can be still or God can be busy...(my opinion). when one is born of the Spirit of God, the angels rejoice.
---shira4368 on 7/7/14


For they stumble because they disobey the word, "as they were destine to do." But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God's own people, that you may declare the wonderful deeds of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light"
---Luke on 7/7/14


Apparently you cannot prove your affirmations and now you take the "Holier-than-thou" attitude! That is funny. Let me explain to you what that attitude is since you have shown a lack for simple understandings and basic communication. "When a person has taken the moral high-ground or are just up themselves, they are being "Holier-than-thou". Holier-than-thou literally means, holier than me or better than me."

Keep up making accusations of others and painting yourself as holier than anyone else, you are the best at that.
---Nana on 7/7/14


Nana,
You are an evil person and I do not want to have anything to do with evil. Keep up your ranting and name calling. That is your nature.
---Luke on 7/7/14


"The reason is that I say you are trying to discredit the sovereign will of God, is because you say He wants to save a sinner, but the sinner has to give Him permission. Otherwise God is at a stand still."
Luke on 7/5/14

Where have I ever said that? Prove it.

So far you only have confessed that you made this up, "The reason is that I say you are trying to discredit the sovereign will of God".
---Nana on 7/6/14




//Why then you accuse me saying, I " rush again to argue", "miss out", "created and preach" another God, "trying to discredit Him" and "distort the sovereign will of God"?//

Nana, I will tell you why and you should already know without asking. The reason is that I say you are trying to discredit the sovereign will of God, is because you say He wants to save a sinner, but the sinner has to give Him permission. Otherwise God is at a stand still.
But God is not held back by anyone or anything. When He wants to save someone, He never fails.
He does His will in heaven and on the earth, no one can stop God. You say sinful man does. Your god is not Almighty God. Read (Dan. 4:35). Agape
---Luke on 7/5/14


"God did sent His Son into the world, not to condemn it but that through Him others could be saved."
Luke on 7/5/14

Scriptures agree,

"For whosoevershall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.", Mark 3:35
"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.", Acts 2:21
"For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.", Romans 10:11

Why then you accuse me saying, I " rush again to argue", "miss out", "created and preach" another God, "trying to discredit Him" and "distort the sovereign will of God"?
---Nana on 7/5/14


//If you believe that, why you deny and discredit John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved."? Why does it bother you "that the world through him might be saved."?//

Nana,
in a rush again to argue with me, you miss out on what John 3:17 is saying. I do not deny John 3:17. God did sent His Son into the world, not to condemn it but that through Him others could be saved. That is when He came in His ministry. He is not present in the flesh anymore here on earth, His has risen. Yet while here Jesus spoke about hell and what happens to those who do not believe. AGape
---Luke on 7/5/14


"... trying to discredit Him with your passages."
Luke on 7/2/14

My passages? Where did I post "my passages"? I only quoted, Matthew 23:37, John 3:17, John 5:34 and John 5:39_40.

"Everyone who sin against God is condemned already unless they have faith in Jesus Christ. This was determined by God not me."
Luke on 7/3/14

If you believe that, why you deny and discredit John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved."? Why does it bother you "that the world through him might be saved."?
---Nana on 7/4/14


//Luke, it is you who are worshiping man and hating him at the same time with your reasoning that they are lost because God so determined.//

It is God who determined man lost for breaking His laws. God set the laws, man breaks the laws, God determines their destiny for breaking His laws. All descendants of Adam are condemned. They all need faith in Jesus Christ to avoid the sentence.
"He who believes in Him is not condemned, but He who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18.
Everyone who sin against God is condemned already unless they have faith in Jesus Christ. This was determined by God not me.
---Luke on 7/3/14




leon you took my words out of context. I do study to show myself approved. Ive seen you take many words out of context here on christianet.
---shira4368 on 7/2/14


Luke, it is you who are worshiping man and hating him at the same time with your reasoning that they are lost because God so determined. Salvation belong to God from beginning to end (it is his to grant). I do not worship man, I bring to his attention what God says, and that which God requires:

Isaiah 59:1_2 "Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear."


So, why you deny and discredit John 3:17, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved."?
---Nana on 7/2/14


Nana,
I do accept the God of the Bible, not the one you created and preach. When the gospel is given to a group of people, some are saved by God and some are not. The individual sinner who God saves becomes a child of God. What you are doing is worshipping man, and not God, by trying to discredit Him with your passages. But you are wrong.
"He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11.
"My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure" Isa. 46:10.
"But God works all things after the counsel of His own will" Eph. 1:11.
"Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did He in heaven, and in the earth, in the seas, and all the deep places" Psa. 135:6.
---Luke on 7/2/14


Matthew 23:37 "..., even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!"

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved."

John 5:34 "But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved."

John 5:39_40 "Search the scriptures, for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."

Jesus said, "might be saved" and "ye will not come to me, that ye might have life."

That is just the way it is, why can't you accept it. Luke?
---Nana on 7/1/14


"...I do know I am a born again believer and I'm not required to know anything else."
---shira4368 on 6/29/14


HUH?!

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 TIM 2:15, KJV)
---Leon on 7/1/14


Dear Nana,
In your rush to judge me, you distort the sovereign will of God. You make Him out to be a god of petty. A god who cannot save anyone He wishes to save. That when He calls someone to salvation, His will is defeated day in and day out by the will of sinful man.
Jesus did say, many are called and few are chosen. He was speaking of the gospel call, and out of all those who hear the gospel, only a few are chosen by God. For not all who hear it are given faith to believe in the gospel.
Keep preaching a defeated god, I will preach the God of the Bible,
"He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: an none can stay His hand" (Dan. 4:35).
---Luke on 7/1/14


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Luke,

It was Jesus who said,"For many are called, but few are chosen."


"The calling of God people do not reject. When you purposely mix two different context it is distorting the truth."
Luke 6/30/14

Romans 10:21 "But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people."
Hebrews 3:7_9 "Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years."

It is you who distorts Luke.
---Nana on 6/30/14


// "Salvation comes on to those who are called by God. That is all that passage teaches."
Luke on 6/26/14''

Nana,
The context of Acts 2:38 refers to the "calling of God."
To argue you use Romans 10:18 that God does not receive those He calls, and that is not what the passage is teaching. This is talking about "the Calling of the Gospel," that is "the preaching of the gospel," it is preached to the whole world and people do reject it. The calling of God people do not reject. When you purposely mix two different context it is distorting the truth.
Those who God calls, He justifies, those He justifies He also sanctifies, those He sanctifies He also glorifies. Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14


Dear Shira,
first, you interfered when I was defending the essentials of the Christian faith against Lawrence. He disputed our Triune God. You seem to not like me doing that, so you got personal with me. I don't know why, but you did. Some here are get very personal, instead of answering with a biblical answer, they attack the person. That can only come from the heart, something that really is eating a person up inside. I did not question your salvation either. Think of something biblical to answer with, that works best. Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14



Apparently, your need to insult and argue superceeds the maturity required to hold your tongue.
---Jed on 6/27/14

mmm something about the pot and the kettle comes to mind..

---NurseRobert on 6/29/14


I never vowed to ignore someone on this site, then continue to argue with them.
---Jed on 6/29/14


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Luke, I am glad you think so highly of yourself. I sure didn't realize I come across as knowing very much of anything. I certainly have never said any such. I do know I am a born again believer and I'm not required to know anything else.
---shira4368 on 6/29/14


Apparently, your need to insult and argue superceeds the maturity required to hold your tongue.
---Jed on 6/27/14

mmm something about the pot and the kettle comes to mind..
---NurseRobert on 6/29/14


Cluny, if I'm not mistaken (and I'm not), you vowed to ignore all of my posts. Is that the extent of your determination? Apparently, your need to insult and argue superceeds the maturity required to hold your tongue. I'm not sueprised by your lack of self-control.

BTW: I am a highly educated and intelligent individual. I use proper gramar and spelling. You are certainly not smater than I am. Stopping in the middle of a conversation to mock someone's spelling, grammar, or typing errors is not a display of intillect, it's a display of immaturity. And it's also an obvious distraction tactic you have been known to employ to interupt an argument when a conversation is not going your way. You're not fooling anyone. Such a sore loser.
---Jed on 6/27/14


\\And correcting everyone else' grammar and spelling only makes you look even more childish and pathetic than you already are!
---Jed on 6/25/14\\

That's the cry of ignorance to the learned.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/14


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"Salvation comes on to those who are called by God. That is all that passage teaches."
Luke on 6/26/14

You do not agree with what Jesus teaches:
"For many are called, but few are chosen."
"So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."

Acts 2:

v38 "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
v39 "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."

So, not all called are received, Romans 10:18
---Nana on 6/27/14


// Here I say, In The name of Jesus, I Rebuke & Adjure you's. Now you's can rebel with each other. Your blood is Not on my hands.//

Dear Lawrence,
I knew that you did not know what you were talking about from the beginning. That is why I asked you to give the reason why God is not Triune. But all you did was talk. Now you give Acts 2:38, and what that passage is saying is that the promise of salvation is "to all who are afar off, "as many as the Lord our God will call"

He is the One calling those to salvation. Salvation comes on to those who are called by God. That is all that passage teaches. Our blood has never being in your hands, it is in the hands of Almighty God. Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14



Lawrence, it isn't cute or clever to spell the conjunction "and" as "n". It simply makes you look like a bigger airhead than you are.

If you must use a single character, try the ampersand: & . That's what it's there for.

Glory to Jesus Christ!

---Cluny on 6/25/14


And correcting everyone else' grammar and spelling only makes you look even more childish and pathetic than you already are!
---Jed on 6/25/14


\\For cluny n others seem to make mockery even in other postings.\\

Lawrence, it isn't cute or clever to spell the conjunction "and" as "n". It simply makes you look like a bigger airhead than you are.

If you must use a single character, try the ampersand: & . That's what it's there for.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/14


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Acts 2 v 38 The Salvation of God. The Word of God. For cluny n others seem to make mockery even in other postings. God is Not mocked, vengeance is mine sayeth The Lord, & He Will repay accordingly. Here I say, In The name of Jesus, I Rebuke & Adjure you's. Now you's can rebel with each other. Your blood is Not on my hands.
---Lawrence on 6/25/14


//Those that think believe in a trinity, that's why God put them in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6.//

Again Lawrence,
Those passages in Revelation do not speak of the Trinity, or have anything to do with it. You got a passage, gave it your own meaning, what many do when they have no Scriptural proof on what they say. The reason you do not belief in the Trinity is because God has not revealed Himself to you in the three Persons, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. All three have always existed. It is what the Bible calls "the Godhead" It is not many gods, but One God, who is revealed to us in the three Persons. Believe it or not. It really does not matter what you believe. It does not change who God is. Agape
---Luke on 6/25/14


Wrong, Lawrence.

God put YOU there.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14


Acts 2 v 38 Is of God or it would not be there in scripture. Oneness Is Still real today. Father, Son & Ghost, Jesus Christ Is The Name.

Those that think believe in a trinity, that's why God put them in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6. Doctrine & commandments of men, even those that worship the gods buddha allah hindu etc.
---Lawrence on 6/24/14


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\\ Jesus Is Father n God, Jesus Is the Son & Holy Ghost.\\

Wrong.

This is Sabellian modalism.

It was wrong in the second century when Sabellius preached it and it's wrong today.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14


Lawrence, those quotes you listed only verify that Jesus is God, and that he and the father are one. All who believe in the Trinity already know that. You seem not to be able to grasp the concept of three-in-one. Three distict, yet not separate. One.
---Jed on 6/24/14


Jesus Is Father n God, Jesus Is the Son & Holy Ghost. Phillip asked Jesus to show us the Father, Jesus said to Phillip, when you have seen me youv seen the Father. Thomas said to Jesus. My Lord & my God. Jesus talking to some n about Abraham, & Jesus said to them, before Abraham was, I Am. In Isa. The Lord said, I am Alpha and Omega. In Rev. Jesus said, I am Alpha and Omega. That makes Jesus God and Father.
---Lawrence on 6/24/14


Jesus is the name of the Son.
---Jed on 6/24/14


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Luke. The Father, Son & the Holy Ghost, Jesus Christ Is His name.

The trinity churches Is Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6. Make sur you read, AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
---Lawrence on 6/24/14


Dear Shira,
I believe my attitude is great. Your opinion of me is wrong. You mentioned,
//I don't claim to know everything about everything but I do know some things. you come across as a know-it-all.//

I never even thought for one minute you knew everything. Only God knows all things. And since I am not God, I also do not know everything.
I have the answers for many questions, but never all. Did you ever stop to think that maybe you are taking the questions too personal? Or maybe you do not like me answering to defend the word of God, I don't know. If I knew how to make you feel better I would try, if it was the right thing to do. Agape
---Luke on 6/24/14


luke, you don't have a very good attitude at all. Ive been knowing God for many years. I do know God, Son and Holy Ghost. I don't claim to know everything about everything but I do know some things. you come across as a know-it-all.
---shira4368 on 6/23/14


Dear Shira,
For your information, I do not know everything. Make sure that stays in your mind. What I was doing is defending the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You don't like that, so I am sorry you don't. I cannot change you, are teach you about who God is, the Spirit has to reveal Him to you. But I do know who God is. The Spirit of God revealed Him to me through the word of God. Such a God cannot be found out by searching. He can be known only, as He is revealed to the heart by the Holy Spirit through the word. I would suggest you do a study on Almighty God, and if your heart is open to the Spirits revelation, you will also know God. Agape
---Luke on 6/23/14


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luke, since you seem to know everything and you think no one else knows, so please explain to us about God, His Son and the Holy Spirit. I along with others have noticed you are a trouble maker and it didn't take long to figure it out either.
---shira4368 on 6/22/14


Dear Lawrence,
Most of what you know is a lie. You don't know why, but I will tell you, if you knew the God of the Bible you would know that He is One God. Creator of all things. You would know that Jesus is God Creator of all things. You would know that the Spirit is God Creator of all things. All three Persons have the same nature, character and attributes. But you don't know because you do not believe Scripture. You might not have trouble reading it, but you have a lot of trouble understand it.
Revelation 17:4-6 is speaking of the harlot. Not about the trinity, once saved always saved, or man's works for salvation. What you are seeing is the Harlot's teachings in Revelation 17:4-6. Agape
---Luke on 6/22/14


Again Luke I have No prob with The Word of God n you can argue all you want. Isa. 9 v 6 & His name Is Jesus, 1st Tim. 3 v 16 & Jesus Is His name. Col. 2 v 9 & Jesus Is His name. Acts 2 v 38 Is of God & He has just 1 Church. Peoples are saved from their sins. The False teachings of trinity Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, once saved always saved, no works salvation, just believe etc I hear Are All Lies from their author 2nd.11 vs 14 15 he has churches. They are kept in their sins.
---Lawrence on 6/21/14


//Luke
I Don't have any prob with The Word of God.//

Dear Lawrence,
You do have a few problems. You do not understand who God is. And if you don't understand who He is, how can you not have a problem with His Word?
You do not answer much, but I notice when you do, you throw a stab at the Trinitarians, don't give a reason why they are wrong, you just put passages down with no context. Anyone can do that. If you do not believe the Father is God, Christ is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, you do not know God, which means you do have a problem with the word of God. Agape
---Luke on 6/21/14


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Luke
I Don't have any prob with The Word of God.
Even the word rapture I don't find in The Word of God.
Those think believe there is trinity teachings, God put them there in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6.
---Lawrence on 6/20/14


I guess it's some one like cluny to Blame God for saying He telling him to tell me I have demons.

People have blamed God for a lot worse things.
---aven.be_he on 6/20/14


//Acts 2 v 38 from the Authority of Almighty God to Apostle Peter First on the day of Pentecost.
The trinity in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, under the deceiving influence of 2nd Cor 11 vs 14 15. The trinity author.//

Lawrence,
I do not know where you get what you say from the passages you gave. The Trinity is not mentioned in those passages. Anyone can object to the Trinity, It does not make what they say right. You have a big problem with the Word of God. And you just have not come to the believe in the Christian faith. While the word "trinity" is not in Scripture, it's content is. For the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God, and so is the Holy Spirit of God. Scripture does reveal God. Agape
---Luke on 6/20/14


Acts 2 v 38 from the Authority of Almighty God to Apostle Peter First on the day of Pentecost.

The trinity in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, under the deceiving influence of 2nd Cor 11 vs 14 15. The trinity author.
---Lawrence on 6/19/14


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aven, Jesus told me to tell you you're full of demons and need deliverance.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/14


Luke. A person here on cnet said all will be saved. I read other websites. Even I read on a wsite, the pope, the apostate trinity head honcho said, the atheist don't have to believe in God to go to heaven. The trinity family body in Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6 such deceiving lies. Make sure you read, ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And that Is exactly what trinity Is.
---aven.be_he on 6/18/14


//From some trinity people Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, saying All will be saved. Then they prob think the devil will be also.//

Dear Lawrence,
from where did you get what you said? The passages you gave do not say what you said, and no one here has said that either. You might have something against our Triune God, but what you say is not true. It's ok if you do not believe in the Trinity, but please do not make things up. Agape
---Luke on 6/17/14


Acts 2 v 38, Is The Church of The Living God.
I hear so much lieing deceiving Trash
From some trinity people Rev. 17 vs 4 5 6, saying All will be saved. Then they prob think the devil will be also. Since 2nd. Cor. 11 vs 14 15 Is the author of the trinity, they Are going Down Not up. Such Good people but so spiritually impaired.
---Lawrence on 6/14/14


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Perhaps I should have used the words inspirationally and personally, rather than spiritually and tangibly. Rev. 12:2-4 Inspirationally Satan inspired Herod to kill "all the children that were in Bethlehem from two years old and under" during the time of Jesus' birth. Mat 2:16
Personally during the time of the tribulation he will "cast out of his mouth "water" [a spiritually overwhelming deception] as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood" as "she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent." Rev 12:14,15
---Josef on 6/8/14


Correction to previous post. This line "Perhaps I should have used the words inspirationally and personally, rather than spiritually and tangibly" should read Perhaps I should have used the words inspirational and personal, rather than spiritual and tangible.
---Josef on 6/8/14


"...Although there are at least two different time periods addressed in chapter Rev. 12, one of a spiritual infiltration of the Church, the other of a tangible one. 12:7-17 SHOULD BE READ, CONSIDERED, AND UNDERSTOOD CHRONOLOGICALLY."
---Josef on 6/5/14


:)???!!!

---Leon on 6/6/14


Revelation reveals the church, from its inception to its completion. Illustrated through three simultaneously occurring narratives. The vials, the seals, and the trumps. The O.T. references to the book are to either the birth and development of the Church and the ultimate deception that proceeds the return of Jesus and the establishment of His physical kingdom, or to the millennia reign its self. Although there are at least two different time periods addressed in chapter Rev. 12, one of a spiritual infiltration of the Church, the other of a tangible one. 12:7-17 should be read, considered, and understood chronologically.
---Josef on 6/5/14


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Josef: Furthermore, the Book of Revelation is a "summation" of the entirety of scripture (old & new testaments).
---Leon on 6/5/14


Josef: We shouldn't take John's visions (dream, trance, supernatural apparition) as a sequence of events which follow chronologically exact, one after the other. For example, see Rev. 12:6 & 13-14 regarding the woman. The eastern mind, in John's day, wasn't so preoccupied with chronology like we are today.

The first thing to establish about any Bible passage is what did it mean to the original readers so we may see it in the light of contemporary history. Revelation is rooted in the Old Testament. This is where we find the clues to the meaning of the various symbols by comparing scripture with scripture.
---Leon on 6/4/14


Rev. 12:7 tells us the war is to take place in heaven. Verse 9 tells of the results. 12) tells of the rejoicing in heaven taking place because of those results, continuing with woe to the inhabiters of earth due to those results. 13) goes on to tell what he did when he realized that he had indeed been cast to the earth for a short time. FALL: to descend from a higher place to a lower implying stumbling on ones own. Metaphorically: To fall under judgment, or condemnation This is what occured in Isaiah, & ref by Jesus. CAST: to throw to the ground, to put in a lower place Implying being forcibly thrown down. This is what is to occur in Revelation. Confirmed by Jesus in John 12:31 as yet future. Note the word "shall".
---Josef on 6/3/14


Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer...
---micha9344 on 6/2/14


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Loen angels do not have the same ability as us. We were made in the image of God. "Angels are made to serve God. We are God's children. What happens to angels that refuse God's word? Hell no redemption. Jesus did not coke to save angels. He came to save us.
---Bryan on 6/2/14

HUH?! Related to what? Is there a "logical" point in your comments? What does this cognitive disconnect have to do with the primary question?
---Leon on 6/2/14


"Satan and his angels will be cast from Heaven during the time of the fourth kingdom and kings of the earth, [the Sixth trump]. It is during these days, [yet future]..."
---Josef on 6/1/14


Josef: You're saying that Satan is yet in heaven? Absurd! How does that square with Genesis 3 & the Book of Job that shows a spirit degenerate, fallen Satan on the earth?
---Leon on 6/1/14


Loen angels do not have the same ability as us. We were made in the image of God. Angels are made to serve God. We are God's children. What happens to angels that refuse God's word? Hell no redemption. Jesus did not coke to save angels. He came to save us.
---Bryan on 6/2/14


Satan and his angels will be cast from Heaven during the time of the fourth kingdom and kings of the earth, [the Sixth trump]. It is during these days, [yet future], that "the God of heaven shall set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed". Dan 2:44 Referencing the tangible Kingdom of God to be established at the seventh trump, when Jesus returns, when "the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ." Rev 11:15 At the time of the writing of Revelation John was instructed to "write the things which he had seen, and the things which are and the things which shall be hereafter" Rev. 1:19. Also consider that the verses following 12:10 refs the trib period.
---Josef on 6/1/14


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Bryan & Josef: I don't know what blogiverse your comments relate to, but you guys are light years off topic here.

Rita: In the Bible Jesus instructs us to go by the leading of the Holy Spirit (the Comforter). The Holy Spirit teaches us from Scripture so that we won't be confused by the enemy & our sinful tendency to lean on our own understanding (private interpretations).
---Leon on 6/1/14


Shira: Your assumed "elsewhere" couldn't have been "anywhere" else other than earth since that's where Satan was & yet is. The devil bears witness to that fact. (Job 1:7) We need not be confused about such a clear statement.

Again, Bible clarity comes from the teachings of God, the Holy Spirit to the Church body. I believe, just like our physical bodies receive life giving nourishment from food, the Church receives life giving understanding, knowledge & wisdom from God's word (the Bible). This doesn't happen in the body all at once to each respective member of the Church. Some of us Church members get understanding, etc., ahead of others.

The key to understanding can be found in Proverbs 23:23...
---Leon on 6/1/14


Hebrews 2:7. We are made a little lower than the angels.
---shira4368 on 6/1/14


Before Jesus became a man he was subject to satan coming into his presents and accusing man of sin. In the word we were made higher than the angeles but Adams sin we fail lower than the angels. Jesus had not sin and he became a man.God gave man authority on the earth not angels. So for Jesus to do what did on the earth he had to become a man. With the word as his only power. He did things on the earth as a man. Kicking satan out of heaven. He said I saw him fall like lighting out of the sky. How was that unless Jesus was the one who kicked him out.
---Bryan on 5/31/14


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Context Shira: "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. The Lord said to Satan, 'From where do you come?' Then Satan answered the Lord and said, 'From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.'" (Job 1:6-7)

1. The sons of God weren't angels. They were MEN (Job included), worshipers of God, who came together to worship the Lord & He inhabited their praises, on earth, as they did so.

2. God spoke with Satan unbeknownst to Job & his fellow worshipers: two spirits talking.

3. Like a caged lion, Satan roams the earth. He's earthbound & unable to ascend into heaven.
---Leon on 5/31/14


Jesus told Satan to get behind Him, and that is just where he is, behind Him. The word behind as used there is the same word John used in Rev. 1:10 and references a place. He stands 'before' (enopion, meaning "in the presence of or of occupied place") Him as accuser of the brethren. Rev. 12:10 Until that time he was free to enter Heaven and to walk the earth, evidenced by Job 1:7 He will be cast out of Heaven when Michael who restrains him is taken out of the way. 2Th 2:7>Dan 12:1>Rev 12:7. At that time this warning is given, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has but a short time. Rev 12:12 This is yet future.
---Josef on 5/31/14


Shira and Leon, I must admit that I find that verse confusing but IN FAITH I believe that God would not 'invite back to His presence' a being He had cast out nor would He 'leave the gate open' for him to wander in whenever he chose to do so. For that reason I assume that took place 'elsewhere'.

There are some verses about which we never receive absolute clarity and those are the ones I don't argue over but when others mention them I take notice of what others say or suggest and try to continue learning.
---Rita_H on 6/1/14


satan went back and forth to the presence of The Lord. what does that mean?
---shira4368 on 5/31/14


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Very good Rita_H. Again, I wonder why it is that some people seem to think (teach & preach) Job 1:6-12 is a heavenly scene/occurence?
---Leon on 5/31/14


What a very strange question. The answer is NO.
---Rita_H on 5/31/14


Very good response Cluny. I wonder why it is that some people seem to think Job 1:6-12 is a heavenly scene/occurence?
---Leon on 5/30/14


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