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Haz27, I do know the difference between law and grace. I also know grace lives by obedience daily as does the law. Our daily moment by moment obedience is to our surrender to The Lord ..Galatians 2:20-21. The no longer I but Christ in me is our obedience of faith....and one CAN fall from this grace. When Paul warned those who had fallen from this grace it wasn't about losing salvation, BUT SANCTIFICATION, the only way one can be sanctified.

Yes, we are sanctified once and for all through the Body of Christ, this is our position. But I DIE DAILY, is our responsibility to obey. We live this by FAITH each day. To not live this each moment, is SIN.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/14


Luke "People who join the Christian faith by being members of the church, can fall from the faith, by not attending church anymore." People DO NOT join the Christian faith when they join a church - many think and assume that they do but all that they did was JOIN A CHURCH. There are many churches these days where the MAJORITY of members are not born again Christians. They have no REAL faith from which they can fall away. Many just follow the family's tradition to attend church on Sundays. It's what they have always done.

I have even heard some say "Just in case there's 'someone' there." Some think that what they do 'for' God in church will save them e.g. singing in the choir, arranging the flowers etc.
---Rita_H on 6/10/14


First you did not answer my question. Do you ever do any wrong? Samuel

Samuel
You believe those born of God are sinners, and I believe those born of God can not sin. Which one of our views is supported by the Bible?

I answered your question using what the Bible says about those born of God.
If you do not believe what the bible says about the Sons of God, why would you believe what I say?
Just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't make you right, and the Bible wrong.

Also, (1 John 1:10) is speaking to those whom Gods Holy Spirit has convicted of sin, made them feel guilt for the evil they have done, and still do not confess their sins, which the sinner must do daily to stay in the light of God.
---David on 6/10/14


Dear Strongaxe,
You have to remember that barb does not believe in most of the Bible. Maybe only the gospels, 1 & 2 John, and Revelation are her only books. So when she ask for passage on God's grace, it was Paul who spoke we were saved by grace through faith. She does not believe Paul or anything he wrote. She forgets that Jesus was gracious with many who were saved while He was in His ministry. He is God, and it is His grace that save them. Agape
---Luke on 6/10/14


Haz27 The Lifestyle of a Christian changes radically. We go from living for self to living for JESUS.
You are stuck on the same false charge.

The Bible standard is to be like JESUS in love and actions. How many times do I have to say this, the minimum standard is perfection. You keep making the same false accusation over and over. Do you not consider it wrong to make lying false accusations? Did you read all the times I have made this same answer over and over?
Our Good works are just to believe is what you say. Read All of First John, Romans 6,7, Titus 3:8,14, 1Timothy 2:10, 5:10,25 6:18, 2Tim3:17, Tit 2:7,1, Heb 10:24 and 1Pe 2:12. Explain how these are just consenting in your mind to JESUS. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14




Samuel. As I said before, we agree that often ones lifestyle improves when they become a Christian. We also agree Christians are not perfect in behavior.

But, you misunderstand the verses you quoted on good works. You use them to preach condemnation for anybody who does not attain some ambiguous minimum standard of obedience to the law. As yet you haven't detailed what that minimum standard is.

Our good works are to believe on Jesus,John 6:29.

Kathr, believing on Jesus is what those scriptures you quoted refer to. Phil 3 refers to fighting the good fight of faith, 1Tim 6:12. And Rom 12:1 refers to being baptised into Christ's death Rom 6:3,6.
---Haz27 on 6/9/14


Samuel I agree. Haz27 you have not forgotten these verses as well as I DIE DAILY and so on, have you?

Paul tells us in Philippians 3 to PRESS ON....

and all these take daily surrendering moment by moment for the purpose of growing up into the FULLNESS AND STATURE of Jesus Christ.


Romans 12:1-2
12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The Will of God is even your sanctification.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/14


Haz27
I am not saying the Sacrifice of JESUS was in any way incomplete. I am saying we are supposed to live Sanctified (Which means set apart for holy purposes) lives.
Wow. You need me to find Scripture that says we are to do what GOD tells us to do? Really?
OK. All of First John, Romans 6,7, Titus 3:8,14, 1Timothy 2:10, 5:10,25 6:18, 2Tim3:17
Tit 2:7,14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Heb 10:24
1Pe 2:12

You and your definition that we cannot legally sin contradicts my understanding. But you should accept that we are created to do what GOD asks us to do which is good works. We are to live as Saints.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


Samuel, you said "us to live a life dedicated to GOD which is part of Sanctification"

What scripture do you have to support this? You seem to be saying that Christ's sacrifice did not complete the task of sanctifying us (Heb10:10), and therefore because of Christ's alleged incomplete task further sanctification is required. I suggest this is error, especially as you offer no scripture in support.

Re1John1:8 you continue to say this refers to Christians in spite of your failure to answer for the contradiction you face with 1John 3:6-9 and other scriptures stating we do not sin. Ignoring the many contradictions you face does not help your case.
---Haz27 on 6/9/14


//"Therefore, I say unto you that the Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matt 21:42-44.//
Do you think the you is actually YOU? Do you think the nation is the U.S.?

Matt 28:18-20. How many nations have you taught in and how many have you baptized?
---michael_e on 6/9/14




//There are many verses in the bible warning of falling away and backsliding. One must have faith before one can fall away from it, right?//

Wrong Steven,
People who join the Christian faith by being members of the church, can fall from the faith, by not attending church anymore. That does not mean they had genuine faith in Jesus Christ. Only that they followed the faith, to later leave. Many disciples of Jesus followed Him no more, Why? Because they had no genuine faith in Jesus Christ. They never made a contrite commitment to the Lord. If they had, they would have never left. Those who leave are apostate. They were never one of "us" genuine believers. There is many in today's churches who leave. Read 1 John 2:19.
---Luke on 6/9/14


Stongaxe, show me one verse, just one verse from the Words of Jesus where he says we are saved thru grace by faith.
---barb on 6/9/14


Nana. Note its legalists who are into iniquity.
Matt 23:28 outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity

Scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14.
Thus Matt 25 the SHEEP preach gospel to the lost. The lost who HUNGER/THIRST lacking Christ (our food/drink 1Cor 10:3,4). The spiritually NAKED/lost needing to be clothed with robes of righteousness Isa 61:10.
Taking in spiritual STRANGERS/without Christ (Eph 2:12,19) so they also may become fellow citizens with the saints. Sharing gospel with the lost in spiritual PRISON Isa 61:1, and spiritually SICK Isa 1:5,6.

Legalists/GOATS preach the law instead of the gospel of grace.
---Haz27 on 6/9/14


Micheal e, "Therefore, I say unto you that the Kingdom of God shall be taken away from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." Matt 21:42-44.

"Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe ALL things whatsover I have commanded you and lo I am with you always." Matt 28:18-20.
---barb on 6/9/14


Mark 10:28 "..., Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee."
Jesus did not say to Peter, "depart from me, ye that work iniquity." as he said to those in Matthew 7,He assured them of their just reward.
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
Hardly,the casting of devils and wonderful works could be called iniquity, "John 10:32 "Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father, for which of those works do ye stone me?"

Those in Matthew 7 were like a crook openly supporting a charity to "appear righteous unto men",Matthew 23:28 "Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity."
---Nana on 6/9/14


David 6/7/14
First you did not answer my question. Do you ever do any wrong?
1John must be taken all together. The Book also says if we have say we have no sin we are liars and when those who are born again sin we have an advocate with the Father. So John says we are sinners and we must have help when we sin. Most Commentators of many denominations state that not sin means not dwell in sin.

Yes David your point on 6/8/14 is correct. We are given the power to overcome sin by JESUS.

What has been stated here is that nothing you do is a sin for there is no such thing as sin for believers. All they do is correct for the law does not apply to them. Which is not the same as not doing wrong.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


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Haz 6/7/14 why did you misquote me?
Since you say I did not say it correctly let me try again. The law of GOD is written in our hearts which leads us to live a life dedicated to GOD which is part of Sanctification of us and our actions. I did not say sanctified by obedience to the law. But that GOD works in our hearts to have us live Holy Lives in our actions, thoughts and deeds.
Haz they were not doing the works that GOD assigned in Matthew 25. They did not help or care for the poor.

They stated they believed and followed GOD. Such as doing prophesying and preaching. Which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments all of them.

It was not works of the law but being like many TV evangelists they claimed.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


Merits? "To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life...", (Romans 7:2)
Jesus was considering iniquity as opposed to those 'good works' which God rewards.
In Matthew 13 Jesus touches on the issue of Judgement and says, "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity,"
Once more in Matthew 25, " For I was an hungered, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink...", that is such as is iniquity, that of which he was referring in Matthew 7.
Here is a good definition of iniquity: To do good as the exception rather than the rule in our life.
---Nana on 6/8/14


Barb, you said: "What does it mean to do the Father's will? Why doesn't their belief in Jesus save them?"

God's will is described in John 6:40. It is that we believe on Jesus.

So why does Jesus say in Matt 7 that these workers of iniquity who say "Lord, Lord" are not saved? It's because they are legalists. They're mixing works of the law with grace, which we cannot do (Rom 11:6).

They are in unbelief due to their being under the law as well. And being under the law they will be found guilty of ALL the law (James 2:10), and thus they're described as workers of iniquity.

By their works of the law they deny God, Tit 1:16. Such are in unbelief and therefore deny righteousness by faith.
---Haz27 on 6/8/14


barb:

We are saved by grace THROUGH FAITH. Those in Matthew 7 say "have we not done great works in your name?" - i.e. they are not humbly trusting (i.e. having faith) in God's grace to save them, but rather relying on the merits of their own works to justify them. This is not faith, so it doesn't qualify.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/14


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// Who are these people in Matt 7:21-29//
Certainly not the Church
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---michael_e on 6/8/14


\\Will your faith be strong enough to endure what Satan has planned for the end?
---Steveng on 6/8/14\\

Is yours, Steveng?

Worry about yourself before you go challenging others.

Happy Pentecost!
---Cluny on 6/8/14


Who are these people in Matt 7:21-29. "Not everyone who says unto me, Lord Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he which does the will of the Father who is in Heaven." These people have given prophecies, cast out devils and done many wonderful works in His name and yet Jesus will tell them to depart from Him because He does not know them due to their iniquity. Did they not profess to believe in His name? What does it mean to do the Father's will? Why doesn't their belief in Jesus save them? Why doesn't grace save them? Matt 15:1-9.
---barb on 6/8/14


There are many verses in the bible warning of falling away and backsliding. One must have faith before one can fall away from it, right?

Have you not heard about the seeds that fall on rocky ground? Those who have received the word of God received it with joy, but when trouble or persecution comes they fall away.

Have you not heard about the seeds that fall among the thorns? It refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

The end times is to be the greatest of tests for end-time christians. Will you endure unto the end? Will your faith be strong enough to endure what Satan has planned for the end?
---Steveng on 6/8/14


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salvation is a one-way process. Those who are true believers in the gospel of grace should understand our position in Christ and assured salvation. We have been crucified with Him, buried with Him, raised from the dead with Him, baptized into Him, seated in heaven with Him, sealed by the Holy Spirit
---michael_e on 6/8/14


Galatains 2:16 - Knowing that man is Not Justified by the works of the law, but by the Faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed, in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the Law: For by Works of the Law Shall No Flesh Be Justified,
---RICHARDC on 6/8/14


Samuel
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ gave us a power, it was a power that was not afforded to man, through the Animal sacrifice.

The Power in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, is to purge us of sin (Hebrews 1:3), so that we can become the Sons of God(John 1:12)KJV.
Purge, to remove or to take away the impurities, like a refiner of silver and gold (Zechariah 13:9).

(Hebrews 10:4) tells us why God needed a human sacrifice. It was because the animal sacrifice could not "take away" sin. The animal sacrifice only provided the sinner with atonement and forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 4:35), not to take away sin.

The Power in the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, was for forgiveness, atonement and to Take away sin.
---David on 6/8/14


Samuel, you said, "We are to be sanctified live by the law of GOD"

But God says otherwise.
Heb 10:10.
we HAVE BEEN sanctified THROUGH the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Nothing here about being sanctified through obedience to the law.
---Haz27 on 6/7/14


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If you feel free to rob a bank, it means you don't care a whit about the bank's employees, its stockholders, or its customers. In other words, you don't "love your neighbor". If you don't love your neighbor whom you see, how can you love God whom you haven't seen?

Seeing how these are the two commandments that Jesus said were the MOST important, anyone with such an attitude is batting zero for two - and if he thinks he's saved, he's most likely delusional.

There are many people with many different kinds of religious beliefs that are mutually incompatible, who all think they are saved - so most of them are wrong. FEELING saved and BEING saved are related, but not the same thing.
---StrongAxe on 6/7/14


1 John 2:22 - And he himself is the propitiation for our sin, and not for our sins only , but also for the whole world,
---RICHARDC on 6/7/14


Bryan,
Mark 4 does not mention how to get sin out of your life. The only way to get sin out of your life, is to not commit sin. And let me tell you no one can live a life sinless as the Lord Jesus did. He is the only One who is sinless. Giving false information out concerning the word of God is a sin. Mark 4 is speaking about those who are saved already, their sins have been forgiven. Jesus spoke to them in parables, and said to them,
"To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, so that Seeing they may see and not perceive. And hearing they may hear and not understand" Mark 4:11,12.
---Luke on 6/7/14


So David are you saying that you never lie, covet, get angry, think evil thoughts, never disrespect GOD and love plus care for everyone around you?--Samuel

Samuel
I have been born of God.
As to your question, Do you believe what it says in (1 John 3:9-10) about those born of God?

It says those born of God do not sin. And do you know why they can not sin?
It's because they have been born of "the seed" of God.

Now that I have told you this, do believe Jesus, born of the same seed, sinned?

---David on 6/7/14


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To be saved from sin, we must believe the Truth. David

True. We have the New Covenant where the Law of GOD is written into our hearts.


Hebrews 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,

So we are Justified declared sinless by the blood of Christ.

We are to be sanctified live by the law of GOD written in our heart. Which we must die to self to live to GOD.

When JESUS comes we will be Glorified and live in Heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/7/14


How do you get the sin out of your life. Jesus told us how to get it out of your life. Mark chapter 4. He showed us he said the word is the smallest of seeds. But when it is sown. It grows larger than any thing else in our life. Sow the Gospel it will choke out the sin in your life. If you water throns they will choke out the word in your life. Just think if you water the word it will choke out the throns in your life. Thank you Jesus.
---Bryan on 6/6/14


So David are you saying that you never lie, covet, get angry, think evil thoughts, never disrespect GOD and love plus care for everyone around you.

I know you believe that if you do these things they are not sin. But do you ever do them?

I do not live in sin. But I am not perfect either.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/6/14


True David. You see though I have been dead and Buried my old nature still tries to come through.-Samuel

Samuel
If it's dead, how can it still try to come through?
I would think if it still came through, you and many others who think it's dead, would see, it's not dead.

Sin is your sign, the sin which lives in you, is not dead. You do not want to sin, and yet you do. What you want to do, you can not do.
Why? Because what Jesus said in (John 8:34) is the Truth.

To be saved from sin, we must believe the Truth.
---David on 6/6/14


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If we wish to be forgiven we must also be forgiving when others offend us. -Rita

Rita
Good point, but I'm curious as to what you think happens, to the saved sinner, who doesn't forgive others.
People sin against you throughout your entire life, what happens to you if you do not forgive?

Also, same question for you as I asked in my post on 6/4.
Why do the folks who are saved, still continue to sin, when that which causes their sin has died?
---David on 6/5/14


//Is this not a list here of verses that people who say they believe are condemned for?//

Dear Samuel,
A sinner has to have faith in Jesus Christ and His works in order to be saved. So the sin of unbelief is the sin that stops a sinner from gaining salvation. We are saved by grace through faith. Many can claim they have faith, but their fruits will manifest that they are not one of us.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us, "but they went out that they might be manifest, that none of them were of us" (1 John 2:19).
---Luke on 6/5/14


1 John 3:9 -Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin : for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin because he is born of God,

Roman 6:14 - For sin shall not have dominion over you, for ye are not under the law but under Grace,
---RICHARDC on 6/5/14


Simmone_G, Have you ever considered King David. He did not rob a bank, but he committed adultry, and then murder, yet he was a man after God's own heart. In his sorrow over his deeds he wrote:
Ps 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation, and uphold me with thy free spirit.

David did not write, "Restore unto me thy salvation." David had not lost his salvation but the Lord had removed the joy of it.

When we who are saved sin we suffer here in this time world yet our God remains faithful and he does not cast us away!
---trey on 6/5/14


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Samuel. Luke is correct. Its the sin of unbelief that keeps us out of Heaven. Unbelief is the sin the world is convicted of, John 16:9.

As for Matt 25 I've already shown you (with cross referenced scriptures) how this is SPIRITUAL referring to preaching the gospel to SPIRITUALLY feed, clothe, heal, visit, etc, the lost.
Likewise 1John 3 whoever has this world's good (Christ Jesus) and refuses to share the gospel of Christ with their brother (thus hating his brother), then clearly the love of God does not dwell in them.

As for Rom 7:7, you should take it in context. Rom 7 confirms Gal 3:24,25 how the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ/righteousness by faith. Hence now we're NO LONGER under a tutor/the law.
---Haz27 on 6/5/14


If that which caused you to sin died, why do you still sin?

David

True David. You see though I have been dead and Buried my old nature still tries to come through. Which is why I must:



1Co 15:31

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.


Luke 9:23

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/14


There is only one sin that keeps you out of heaven, the sin of unbelief. -Luke

Rom 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
What does this verse mean?
Mat 25:45

Is this not a list here of verses that people who say they believe are condemned for?

Mat 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
This verse condemns for failing to forgive does it not?

1Jo 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/4/14


David, saying that we are sinners (even after being saved) is not stating that we can commit a certain number of sins with no repercussions.

We are 'sinners saved by Grace' and that 'Grace' keeps us aware that we still sin and ensures that we truly repent and seek forgiveness and help.

The difference between an unbelieving sinner and a saved sinner is that 'we have an advocate with the Father - Jesus Christ'. That is not a license to sin but certainly gives us a conscience and ensures that we repent (the sooner the better) if we want peace in our lives.

Additionally, if we wish to be forgivEN we must also be forgivING when others offend us.
---Rita_H on 6/4/14


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Thanks Elder, I thought that the moderators had more information about each of us than it seems they have.

I really wish that certain people here would 'get their act together' and remember that this IS a Christian site and we should be a witness to those who choose to 'pop in and see what we do'. My guess is that some will not be too impressed with what they have seen here recently.
---Rita_H on 6/4/14


//But it does list some that will keep you out of heaven.
Hating others, not forgiving others, not loving others and not loving GOD.
You may notice that all of these are continuing sins. Not just do once.//

Dear Samuel,
There is only one sin that keeps you out of heaven, the sin of unbelief. Without faith, it is impossible to please God. Impossible. That is to sin against the Holy Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who testifies of Christ and makes His truth known to us. Agape
---Luke on 6/4/14


Luke, Micha, and Samuel
If you have a cough, due to a cold virus living in you, and that virus has died, does that same virus, which is dead, still cause you to cough?

Paul taught in (Romans 7), it was sin living in him which caused him to sin, but that which caused him to sin, died.

If that which caused Paul to sin, died, did he continue to sin? If so, and that which cause Paul to sin, died, what caused him to sin?
If that which caused you to sin died, why do you still sin?
---David on 6/4/14


Luke, I remember the days when the dead were in the home and a black ribbon on the door. My sister and me were playing funeral with our dolls and we put a big black bow on the door. Our mom almost had a hissy fit. We got in trouble. Lol. I don't remember smelling anything since the bodies were embalmed.
---shira4368 on 6/4/14


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The Bible does not give a certain number of sins or level of sin that you cannot go over.

But it does list some that will keep you out of heaven.

Hating others, not forgiving others, not loving others and not loving GOD.

You may notice that all of these are continuing sins. Not just do once.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/3/14


"Elder,... you could probably, personally, sort out how a fraudulent post got through here and put Simone's mind at rest on the issue."
Rita_H

Rita, any one can at anytime use any name they desire to post.

Honest people use their real/pen name only.

Cowards and those who want to cause problems do and will use others names.

CN could use a password posting system but I don't feel it would be worth the time involved.

Hope this helps.
---Elder on 6/3/14


Dear David,
There is not one sinner who is saved that does not sin. Do you remember in the old times when a person died, they would keep him or her in the house for several days. What happens is that the body begins to stink, and it still has influence on those who are going to visit him, or those who are in the same house. As long as he remains there he is still a problem until he is buried. The same holds true for those in Christ. They are dead to sin, but they are still influence by their old nature. That old nature is still there, dead. And it will always have an impact on us until we are glorified. Agape
---Luke on 6/3/14


You seem to misunderstand David.
The line is holiness.
The world does not care about the line, they despise it.
We, as sinners, can strive toward the line, yet not reach it and get discouraged.
We, as saints, can stumble while the Holy Spirit works in and through us toward that line, and we can get up and keep moving forward because of our Advocate, Jesus Christ, the Righteous.
1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
This is the freedom we have, to get back in the race, because we are saved, not to be saved.
I would rather not fall and get bruised, but it happens.
---micha9344 on 6/3/14


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Am I saved if I rob a bank?

In the way in which the Protestant church teaches salvation, as I understand it, there seems to be varying degree's of sin, and a certain number of sin you can commit, and still maintain your salvation status.

They make the claim they are sinners, and yet they are saved, but as you can read in these posts, robbing a bank appears to be stepping over the line.
I have asked many of them for the number of sins they are allowed before they too cross this line, but I have never received an answer to this question.

I guess it depends on whose measure of righteousness you use. Gods measure, or the measure the saved sinner uses.
---David on 6/3/14


Romans 6:1 - What shall we say then ? Shall we continue in sin, that Grace may abound?
God forbid , How shall we ,that are dead to sin , live any longer therein,

Romans 6:6 - Knowing this, that old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that hence forth we should not serve sin,
---RICHARDC on 6/3/14


You ask how do you write to the moderator...do they not read all the blogs posted?
---Simone_G on 6/2/14


I would like to thank everyone for their input. I apologize for assuming the moderator is at fault. I can have my thoughts on what happened but without facts I should not have made an accusation. Thanks for all of you for helping me see that. Moderator I apologize to you and
ask your forgiveness.
---Simone_G on 6/2/14


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Simone, please tell me, how does one write to the moderator. Many times I have wanted to be able to do that but did not know that was possible. Please enlighten me.
---Rita_H on 6/2/14


Simone_G,

You still offer no proof or real reason as to why you "know" this was/is the mods fault. There is more than one moderator. So which one is to blame?

How do you know your post even got to CN? The truth is you don't.

How did you write to the mod? Making a post is not the same thing.

Remember two things, don't cause trouble where there is none, and you are not chained to a pole here... Do you understand?
---Elder on 6/2/14


Elder, from things you say and things I've seen others say, I have the impression that you are more closely connected with Christianet than the remainder of us are. If this is the case you could probably, personally, sort out how a fraudulent post got through here and put Simone's mind at rest on the issue.
---Rita_H on 6/2/14


The reason I believe the moderator is responsible for this bogus post is that I did write a post regards once saved always saved but the moderator did not post it. It was only after I wrote the moderator asking why my question was not posted that this bogus question appeared. I am disillusioned with this sight.
---Simone_G on 6/1/14


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Hello,Simone this is Elena,yes one time someone did to me,the same writing something,nothing like my words or me,at all,insult another somebody,can't recall,lg.time.

Yes,there unbeknowst to you the enemy realises those who he.took. oh in.progress,he seeks his own...we are bought with a price!
Blood of Jesus!


Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/2/14


The moderator is probably busy and it would take him just sitting there looking a ip addresses. some have been thrown off christianet and they change name and email. One of my passwords just popped up on my facebook. Don't know how but I deleted my facebook page.
---shira4368 on 6/2/14


As if there is only one Simone G in the world.
We do not know the details and judging someone's actions based on only what we know is arbitrary at best.
Let God be Judge.
---micha9344 on 6/2/14


Chuck Swindoll a few years back got into and still is in hot water with many who believe once saved always saved.

You see he said that unless JESUS is LORD of a person's life they are not saved. He came out and said that a person cannot live in sin and be saved.

Calvinists and other went ballistic. Two that used to be here showed their intense dislike of him.

So it is taught that a Bank Robber who makes his living robbing banks has the freedom to do so and still go to heaven.

This I cannot agree too. Just read First John.
---Samubelbb7 on 6/2/14


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Simone, when we post here we must enter user name AND email address which only mods should know. However the moderators won't know if we have more than one email address so that is how a fraudster could get an insincere post through here - I'm guessing.

However I have always assumed that the mods can tell from which computer a post comes also - maybe from the IP address. I don't really know but I'd be mad if I saw my name with a blog I hadn't posted.

I, occasionally use a library computer or my son's and I believe that the mods can see I've used a different one.

It would be good if the mods would come in on this and explain how it could happen.
---Rita_H on 6/1/14


"I never wrote this blog. This is despicable and unchristian that a moderator would do such a thing. Shame on you."
Simone_G

Shame on who ever wrote this. How can the moderator(s) know if you wrote a post or not?

I suggest, to protect your good name, that the mods do not post anything with your name on it.
---Elder on 6/1/14


First, Do you have a hunger for the Word of God? Do you enjoy being with God's people? Do you enjoy prayer time, and taking your needs to the Lord? If not, maybe there's no relationship there, and maybe you can rob a bank

Was David a believer? Did he sin? Did David lose his salvation?
Was Abraham a believer? Did he sin? Did God kick him out?
Paul says we are sealed.
II Cor 1:21,22
Eph 1:13 "In whom (in Christ) ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, (and the word of truth is) the gospel of your salvation: (I Cor 15:11-4) in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise." We have been sealed, we have been marked by the Person of the Holy Spirit.
---michael_e on 6/1/14


Simone, that's a real bummer. I'm sorry somebody did that to you. Probably somebody posted it using your name just out of malice.
---love.jesus on 6/1/14


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josef *
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life, My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." Jhn 10:27-29

The verse does not say 'My sheep HEARD my voice, I KNEW them, and they FOLLOWED me and I GAVE them eternal life.'

josef * "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake, for this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men, as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 1Pe 2:13-17

The verse is saying things YOU NEED TO DO!
---Ruben on 6/1/14


When we are born into this world physically is there any way we can go back and be unborn? No, but we can commit suicide.

It is the same spiritually. We cannot be unborn. We can sin unto death.

People that have a desire to continue in sin/rob a bank were probably never saved to begin with. They never called on the Lord with their heart/the Biblical way!!
---Elder on 6/1/14


I never wrote this blog. This is despicable and unchristian that a moderator would do such a thing. Shame on you.
---Simone_G on 6/1/14


Let look at the word before you go off and rob a bank. Jesus said these are the things your are going to do to the word when you hear it. Matthew chapter 13, then again Mark 4, and in Luke 8. When you us it for your on selfish grain your fruit will stink. And everybody will be able to see it and smell it.
---Bryan on 5/31/14


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I suppose you could rob a bank, but you probably shouldn't. 1.Cor.6:12.
But you would not become unsaved, because you were saved while you were still in your sins before you even knew you were saved. Rom.5:16-21.
---love.jesus on 5/31/14


"Once saved always saved?" Yes.
"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." Jhn 10:27-29
"Can I know do whatever I want in freedom? Rob a bank maybe?" No.
"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lords sake, for this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men, as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God. 1Pe 2:13-17
---josef on 6/1/14


Just remember than everyone who thinks that they are saved is not necessarily saved. Some have gone through an emotional experience, been counselled and sent away as a 'born-again Christian' before they were really aware of what being a Christian entails.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

Anyone considering robbing a bank is showing bad fruit and is almost certainly NOT saved.

We will all be held to account for sins for which we never asked for forgiveness, of which we did not repent and should never wilfully sin just to test God to see if He will abandon us. A true Christian would not even think of testing God in the way you suggest. It is a very immature thought.
---Rita_H on 6/1/14


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