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Don't you get ever get tired closing your minds to a fresh interpretation of Scripture, before you even have a chance to understand it?
---Lutherist on 2/13/15

I love fresh interpretation. I loved your subject. Heck I even like you...more than a little so far.
Your interpretation must be accurate, backed by scriptural witnesses. I was you until I wasn't... through the same scriptures that are posted as witness.
I'd ask you the same thing you asked only in this manner:
Gal_4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Cowboy up...get back on and keep riding the trail with us. You can't be a Cowboy unless you've been kicked and thrown and dragged a ways.
---Trav on 2/13/15


Cluny,

I'm not so vain as to think that I know EVERYTHING before I even hear what someone has to say.

Ironically, Cluny, I had Scriptural proof that you are right... the Mohammedan Empire is Daniel's 4th Beast and the Beast out of the Sea in Revelation.

But, because you are soooo open minded, you wasted your opportunity to hear it.

Keep your mind closed, or one day you might actually learn something.
---Lutherist on 2/13/15


The verse says OF the Jews, and Genesis 3:15 promised the messiah. Abel did not have to believe anything about Jews to be saved, but believed God period. As God revealed MORE and MORE through time, ( not something new and different) this promise was more revealed to Abraham, and then came to fruition through Jacob, and then thru Judah. Same promise. Same for us today. THIS is how we KNOW Jesus is the true Messiah promised in Genesis 3:15. Jesus genealogy in the Gospels go all the way back to Adam. Jesus is the LAST ADAM, taking salvation all the way back to the first Adam. The gift of salvation is FROM God, and OF the Jews, fulfilling scripture. Romans 5.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/15


Lutherist, you're not so vain that you think you actually have something to say that we haven't heard before, are you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/13/15


To ALL,

I tried this once more, hoping that perhaps things have changed. I thought that perhaps this time some of you might really be interested in learning something together, instead of just picking things apart to stroke your own egos.

That's why legitimate questions and perspectives never get seriously discussed on this site. These nit-picking rants simply make sure that any discussion quickly shifts and moves back to everyone's pet soap boxes.

Don't you get ever get tired closing your minds to a fresh interpretation of Scripture, before you even have a chance to understand it?


---Lutherist on 2/13/15




>What does Grafted mean? It's the binding together two branches from two completely different trees.
---Lutherist on 2/12/15

Incorrect in one place made you incorrect in another.
Grafting is done in the same tree family. A Wild Olive is one that has been scattered from the Olive Tree seed. You take the Wild and graft into the good.
Romans even explains the proper order.
You don't graft a Oak to an Olive or olive to an apple. Would be some dang big Olives. Yuk.
Act_2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,...
Amo_9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 2/13/15


Genesis 3:15 promised a redeemer ( OF the Jews) before any tribes or nations existed.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/15

Really. Can't hardly believe it, cause can't see it there.

Genesis 3:15 I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed, it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
You may realize at some point, that Judah is a 4th son of Jacob/Israel. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph and ten of his other brothers were not "Jews" or Judahites. Ever. Then, now or in the future.
Moses was a Levite not Judean or Jewish.
All Israel are not "Jews" or Judahites. Judah is 1/13th of Jacob/Israel.
Truth is truth, whether one adopts it or not.
---Trav on 2/13/15


//Salvation is OF the Jews, not FROM the Jews.//

King James is the only translation out of about 6 (that I checked) that uses "of" the Jews.

"From is more appropriate, "ek twn Ioudaiwn."

ek definitions:
out of
because of
by means of
with

Consequently, to conclude a theology of the usage of "of" instead of "from" would be incorrect.
---Rod4Him on 2/13/15


John 4:22

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews..

Salvation is OF the Jews, not FROM the Jews. And Gentiles do not come through Ephraim in order to be grafted in. Not one human being can even prove they have Ephraim's DNA. We are warned about endless genealogies, and our genealogy has NOTHING to do with who does and doesn't get saved. We are saved by GRACE through FAITH, not genealogies or bloodlines. ALL who call upon the name of The Lord will be saved.....all who are descendants of the first ADAM, where Genesis 3:15 promised a redeemer ( OF the Jews) before any tribes or nations existed. Abel, Enoch, Noah, Job, ....saved by their faith in Genesis 3:15 is saving you and me.
---kathr4453 on 2/13/15


Trav,
What is your criticism? The Hebrew word GOY (Strong's 1471) (Genesis 17:4 and 48:19)(Revelation 7:9).
---Lutherist on 2/12/15

Criticism? I'll call it scriptural rebuke. You misinterpret many areas.
Yes, Abraham was a father to Ishmael, Isaac, and Keturah's offspring. Many nations.
Gen 25:1 Then again Abraham took a wife, her name was Keturah.
Gen 25:2 she bare him Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak, and Shuah.
Rom_9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
---Trav on 2/13/15




Trav,

What is your criticism? The Hebrew word GOY (Strong's 1471) means any person or nation that is not Israel. It means a GENTILE nation or people. This is EXACTLY who is described as the Multitude of Nations in (Genesis 17:4 and 48:19)(Revelation 7:9).

Also Ezekiels two Sticks were NOT named Judah and Israel. God named them "For Judah" and "For Joseph, the stick of EPHRAIM"

"And you Gentiles have been GRAFTED in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of Gods special olive tree" (Romans 11:17) NLT

What does Grafted mean? It's the binding together two branches from two completely different trees.
---Lutherist on 2/12/15


...then all in Israel will be saved." (Romans 11:13-26)
---Lutherist on 2/11/15

You are close at times Luther but, prophets or two might chase a shadow out of all this for ya.
Gentile is a latin word. If you look the original word meant "ethnos" or "nations". It is speaking of the Nth House divorced of Israel. How the two sticks or Houses of Israel divided are united. Uniting "all Israel".
Note the covenant showing the two Houses...the word "and" Judah.
Heb_8:8 ... saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Eze 37:19 ... with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
---Trav on 2/12/15


PLEASE LISTEN !

We are NOT part of the 144,000. We ARE part of the "Great Multitude". We had to be grafted into God's olive tree through Ephraim. Because, as Jesus clearly said, "SALVATION IS FROM THE JEWS." (John 4:22)

"And you Gentiles have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of Gods special olive tree.

I want you to understand this mystery, dear brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud. Some of the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles comes to Christ. And then all in Israel will be saved." (Romans 11:13-26)
---Lutherist on 2/11/15


the 144,000 are a special group. We do not have to be a part of that group to go to heaven.

Nor does who they are change that we will all go together through Tribulation.

Matthew 24 speaks of the Second Coming and Matthew 25 speaks of the judgment we will all face.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/11/15


We are not looking for Israels tribulation, or Israels restoration.
We operate according to the mystery of Christ, doing our ministry as ambassadors and waiting for the mystery coming of the Lord to "catch away" the church so that he can fulfill his prophecy and promises with Israel.
These are not the prophetic last days for us.
Our hope as members of the Church the body of Christ is in his appearing sometime future unknown to us (1 Thess 4, Titus 2:13 ). Til then, we have work to do.
---michael_e on 2/11/15


Micha9344,

You missed the whole point of what we were discussing. I didn't say that Ephraim was the only tribe missing from the list. Dan, the most idolatrous of all the tribes, is missing for obvious reasons.

What I said was that ALL of the tribes that ARE listed are ALL HEBREW tribes. Ephraim was prophetically singled out by God to represent the complete ingathering from all of the Gentile nations, peoples and tongues. (Genesis 48:8-19)

The point is... ALL Gentile Christians are included within Israel. Ephraim is the tribe of the GREAT MULTITUDE standing before the throne of God.
---Lutherist on 2/9/15


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Lutherist on 2/9/15: In your statement, you make two statements, and I am not sure what your end belief is: "are all HEBREW." and "his descendants shall become a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" (Genesis 48:17-19).

The first one 'HEBREW" seems to imply that those people, at least, were all direct descendents of Abraham, but the second one seems to be more open.

So could I ask you to explain more carefully, as I do not fully understand!
---Peter on 2/9/15


Ephraim is of the lineage of Joseph and is named as the tribe of Joseph in Rev 7:8.
Mannases (Mannaseh) receives his portion under Jacob as his own tribe in Rev 7:6
Levi is also included, which should make 13.
So who is really missing?
Dan.
---micha9344 on 2/9/15


Samueldd7,

I agree with you. EVERY Christian is included within Israel. However, the 144,000 in the list of tribes (Revelation 7:4-8) are all HEBREW.

Ephraim, one of the original twelve tribes, the GENTILE grandson of Jacob, the son of Joseph, is NOT listed. The tribe of Ephraim is the great MULTITUDE OF NATIONS standing before the throne of God (Revelation 7:9-17).

Abraham was promised that he would be the father of a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS (Genesis 17:4). When Joseph brought Ephraim to Jacob for a blessing, Jacob said this about Ephraim, "his descendants shall become a MULTITUDE OF NATIONS" (Genesis 48:17-19)

Your reasoning is sound, but your understanding of the Tribes of Israel is incomplete.
---Lutherist on 2/9/15


Lutherist here is where we seem to differ.

The true Israel are all who have been Born Again. In the time of wrath. Many who were born of the blood of Israel will join with the church and in fact many today are becoming Christians. A number of the leaders of my Denomination have been Jewish.

So the Parousia or Second Coming is the next event for all people. Matthew 24.


Romans 9:6

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


Rom 9:27

Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
---Samuelbb7 on 2/9/15


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Samueldd7,

I agree that there will be Believers on the earth during the Bowl judgments.

The 7th trumpet Rapture is the final ingathering of the Gentile Church. "...the people of Israel have hard hearts, but this will last only until the full number of Gentiles has come in. And then all in Israel will be saved." (Romans 11:13-26)

At the 7th Trumpet, God's attention turns to Israel. Those who received the message of the Two Witnesses have been Sealed. The Lord descends to Mount Zion to stand with the 144,000 during the Bowl judgments and the final attack (Armageddon). "And I looked, and lo, the Lamb stood on Mount Zion. And with Him were a hundred and forty-four thousand" (Revelation 14:1-3)
---Lutherist on 2/9/15


Jesus prayed, "I ask that you do not take them out of this world, but keep them safe from the evil one."

Those who believe in a pre-parousia Rapture pray, "Don't listen to Jesus. We're wanting you to take us out of this world anyway."

Which prayer do you think the Heavenly Father will honor?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/9/15


Hello Lutherist


It is 3 1/2 years and my church has taught this and it was earlier taught by others before us. It is part of the understanding the 70 weeks is one period that has some divisions in it.

I agree with you on the 7 year period being misunderstood and a gross misinterpretation of Daniel.

The postion of being during the 7th trumpet I agree. But I disagree saying we will be on earth during the bowls of wrath just not affected like them. Just as Israel was not affected directly by the Plagues in Egypt.

Also the posttrib goes along with your understanding that I agree with in the last paragraph.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/9/15


Samuelbb7,

Your 3 year / stoning of Steven position is very interesting. How did you arrive at it?

I believe that the 7 year Tribulation period, the duration of the covenant between Antichrist and the Jews, is a complete myth based on a gross misinterpretation of (Daniel 9:27).

The Pre-trib, Mid-trib, and Post-trib labels are all based on this false 7 year tribulation. Therefore, I cant take one of these positions. However, I would say that I take the 7th Trumpet / Pre- Bowl Wrath position on the Rapture (Mt 24:31) (1Co 15:52).

Also, I believe that the Trumpet judgments, the Time of Jacobs Trouble (Jeremiah 30:4-7), the ministry of the Two Witnesses, and the Sealing of the 144,000 are all concurrent events.
---Lutherist on 2/9/15


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thank you Lutherist.

I agree with most of what you wrote. We believe the final 3 1/2 weeks ended when Stephen was stoned and the Gospel started going to the Gentiles.

I believe in a post tribulation rapture.

Most of whom I read who believe as you do teach a midtribulation rapture. But that is just some.

The most important thing is to be looking to JESUS the author and finisher of our faith. We must be loving to GOD and to others.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/8/15


Samuelbb7,

70 Weeks of years have been decreed for Israel to finish bringing in Gods plan of salvation (Daniel 9:24). For me, the first 69 Weeks leading to the beginning of Christs ministry is a no brainer.

Its that last 7 years, that causes all the controversy. Verse 26 states that after the 62 Weeks and sometime during the last Week, Messiah will be cut off. But, it doesnt tell us at exactly what point in the last Week it happens.

If you take the traditional non-dispensational view, verse 27 answers the question. In the middle of the Week Christ is crucified and puts an end for the need for sacrifice and grain offerings. This leaves the 3 1/2 year ministry of the Two Witnesses.
---Lutherist on 2/6/15


Lutherist:

Ad hominem attack - truly the mark of a brilliant argument.

I guess the "70 Weeks" in Daniel chapter 9, are also a literal 490 days??

I didn't say they were. I was just surprised that Warwick did not claim they were, as he always insists Genesis 1 days are "normal" sunset-to-sunset 24-hour days, despite the fact that there was no sun to measure by during the first few days.

It is truly impossible to have a polite and rational discussion with a closed mind.

I totally agree. I admit the possibility that facts and prophecies may be interpreted in different ways, rather than dogmatically asserting that "they must be THIS way and no other". Can you do the same?
---StrongAxe on 2/6/15


The Seventy weeks have been accepted by most as 490 years. Although some arrive at that figure different ways.

Some believe that only 69 weeks have expired and the 70th week is yet future.

What do you believe Lutherist?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/15


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StrongAxe,

You picked a good "Handle" your inability to see a different perspective, is truly a Neandethal way of thinking.

The war started in 1948, however hostilities did not completely end until 1950. Armistice agreements were still being drafted and signed during 1949.

I guess the "70 Weeks" in Daniel chapter 9, are also a literal 490 days??

It is truly impossible to have a polite and rational discussion with a closed mind.
---Lutherist on 2/6/15


Lutherist:

You wrote: If we add 1,260 years to 690 AD, we arrive at 1950 AD. This is the exact year that the new nation of Israel won its war against Islamic forces, and the re-gathering of the Jews to the Holy Land truly began. See (Jeremiah 29:14)

I'm surprised Warwick is not jumping up and insisting that these are literal 24-hour days.

The Israeli War of Independence was in 1948, and Jews had been gathering there for quite some time before that as well.
---StrongAxe on 2/6/15


The Christians in 70 AD called the surrounding Roman Armies the Abomination of desolation. They fled as Jesus told them when the Roman Army retreated.

So I agree with them that event was the Abomination spoken of by Daniel.

Also to me the Temple on Earth is no longer important since the vail was rent in two at the Crucifixion.

To me the Book of Hebrews points to a Sanctuary in heaven where Jesus presides as our High Priest.

Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15
Heb 5:1,5,10
Heb 7:26
>Heb 8:1:3
Heb 9:7
Heb 9:11 Heb 9:25
Heb 10:21

Heb 13:11
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/15


Samuelbb7,

Why do you disagree?

If the Dome of the Rock (690 AD) is the "Abomination", then Jesus in his description of the Last Days said something very interesting, "Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place, let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." (Matthew 24:15-16) John said that this fleeing would be for exactly 1,260 prophetic days (Revelation 12:6)

If we add 1,260 years to 690 AD, we arrive at 1950 AD. This is the exact year that the new nation of Israel won its war against Islamic forces, and the re-gathering of the Jews to the Holy Land truly began. See (Jeremiah 29:14)

There's more.
---Lutherist on 2/6/15


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Well Lutherist I do not agree with you understanding of prophecy. But what else is new? Around here we disagree which is one of the reasons we are here to talk and listen to others.

Do you believe in the pre-tribulation rapture and why?

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/15


\\Did you forget that at different times there were up to three different popes\\

That was only one time, and it was resolved by the Council of Constance.

\\ Fox's book of Martyrs records about a million to 4 million Christians murdered by the Roman Catholic church.\\

Protestants did the same thing to Roman Catholic Christians when they got the chance, expecially in England under the Tudors.

Of course, as we all know. all SDAs glow in the dark like St. Seraphim of Sarov.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/6/15


My point Cluny is that many of the Popes and anti-popes were extremely wicked men.

Yes I have studied the history of the popes. I have books about them on their history and also non Catholic. They read very differently.

I doubt if you watched the Borgia's neither did I. But one of the comments they chould not show all the evil they did and the Pope was the leader.

Did you forget that at different times there were up to three different popes.

I am glad to hear that none of your leaders were like the popes. Fox's book of Martyrs records about a million to 4 million Christians murdered by the Roman Catholic church. But some place the estimate closer to 15 million.

Did the Orthodox torture heretics to death?
---Samuelbb7 on 2/6/15


Cluny,

I was raised as a Roman Catholic. I was taught the same things you were taught. There is absolutely nothing wrong with striving to live a decent and moral life, and to do so as much as possible, without deliberately sinning. Every true Christian desires to do that.

The problem arises when we start to imagine that striving to live a decent and moral life is making us holy in Gods sight.

Apostasy is not so much a deliberate choice to turn away from Christ. Apostasy is like a slippery slope on which we slide toward a place where, because of our own efforts to be holy, we start to imagine ourselves better than others, and therefore, we can no longer identify with them as a fellow sinner.


---Lutherist on 2/5/15


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ISLAM is in several End Times prophecies. For example (Daniel 12:11-12) is saying that there will be exactly 1,290 prophetic years between these two events.

Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the temple, and removed all of its holy contents in 600 BC, putting an end to the regular sacrifice in 600 BC. If we add 1,290 years to 600 BC, we arrive at 690 AD. The abomination of desolation, the Islamic Dome of the Rock, was set-up on the holy Temple Mount in Jerusalem in 690 AD.

The Abomination is that Jehovah's holy Temple Mount now belongs to Allah, the god of Islam. Jihad I began in 690 AD and ended 45 years later at the Battle of Tours. Everyone who survived would indeed be considered truly blessed.
---Lutherist on 2/6/15


Lutherist:

You wrote: The Greeks and Romans were not God's hand of judgment. They simply stepped in and oppressed an already punished and conquered people.

I would think that Titus razing Jerusalem and the temple very much WAS God's hand of judgment.
---StrongAxe on 2/5/15


\\But from a Protestant viewpoint Lutherist is correct and I generally agree with him. \\

Someone once said, "To be deep in history is to cease to be a protestant."

\\Have you studied what most of the Popes did and how they lived? \\

Yes. Very few were as wicked as you and Lutherist would like to believe.

\\Tell me about the Orthodox leaders were they God fearing men who did not start wars for profit and run brothels like the RCC did.
\\

No, none of them did.

But what's your point?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/5/15


StoneAxe,

The Greeks and Romans were not God's hand of judgment. They simply stepped in and oppressed an already punished and conquered people.

Solomon's apostasy brought a divided kingdom. The Northern kingdom fell to the Assyrian empire in 733 BC. In 600 BC the Babylonian empire destroyed the southern kingdom of Judah.

When the Persian empire conquered the Babylonian empire in 539 BC, the nation of Israel no longer existed. The Greeks and Romans changed nothing.

After Israel's rejection, Christ established his Church with everyone who would receive him.

The continued apostasy in Christ's Church brought the Islamic empire. Between 630 AD and 711 AD, Islam swept Christianity from the Holy Land.
---Lutherist on 2/5/15


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Lutherist:

You wrote: God's hand of judgment against His apostate people has always been Middle Eastern Empires. This is an historical FACT.

The fact that most of "the known world" was in the middle east, and that was where the Bible was written, would make this rather likely in any case, since that's where almost everyone "known" was. On the other hand, Rome wasn't a middle eastern empire.
---StrongAxe on 2/5/15


The point is...

God punishes Apostasy! Whether Hebrew or Gentile, Christian or Jew, the pouring out of Gods anger on His apostate people remains consistent.

God's hand of judgment against His apostate people has always been Middle Eastern Empires. This is an historical FACT.

The Apostasy of Christs Church is the key to understanding the events leading to Christs return. Let no one deceive you in any way, for that day will not come, unless the apostasy comes first (2Thessalonians 2:3)

Since the rise of Islam, Gods hand of judgment against his apostate people has been Islam. Ultimately, God will use Islam as his hand of Judgment against an unbelieving world.

I can prove it Biblically.


---Lutherist on 2/5/15


Cluny from your point of view you are correct. But from a Protestant viewpoint Lutherist is correct and I generally agree with him.

Have you studied what most of the Popes did and how they lived? Tell me about the Orthodox leaders were they God fearing men who did not start wars for profit and run brothels like the RCC did.

We disagree on the worship of saints and relics. But Lutherist and I seem to agree and are Iconoclasts.

About Muhammad well there is room for debate on him.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 2/5/15


Lutherist, do you realize that nothing you are saying here is true?

Or does that bother you at all?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 2/4/15


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//Predominately Christian for 600 years, by 689 AD, Christianity was virtually eradicated from the Middle East.//

That probably looked like the "the last days" to those Christians living then.
---Rod4Him on 2/4/15


Christian apostasy and the rise of Islam is what you're looking for.

Embraced by Rome, Christianity was quickly corrupted system of works and the worship of Idols, Images, Relics, and Saints.

Salvation became a reward for only the most dedicated. The less dedicated, could only look forward to suffering in a mythical place called Purgatory.

Mohammed witnessing first hand, the IDOLATRY of the Christian Church, set out to establish a new religion. Mohammedanism enjoyed rapid growth, as it swept through the Middle East beheading all those who would not convert.

Predominately Christian for 600 years, by 689 AD, Christianity was virtually eradicated from the Middle East.
---Lutherist on 2/4/15


\\When the founding churches fell into false worship and tradition above scripture.\\

They never did.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/14


THANKYOU, Bro.John davsi
You are very intelligent, wow!
Be blessed.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/23/14


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Check this out! :

The math shows:

The 'earthly' ministry of Messiah was about 33.5 years.

If 7069 years were Before the Flood + ~7000 + X BC + 2014 + Y AD/500 = 33.5.

32.166 + (X + Y)/500 = 33.5.

{X+Y}/500 = ~1 1/3 = 1.334.

X+Y = 667 = 666 + 1 = 490 {70 x 7} + 177 { 175 Abraham + 2 years}.

Also, 600 was the age that Noah was until He entered the Ark.

Leaving: 70 - 67 = 3. The 3rd planet or Trinity Sign.

100 - 67 = 33. 67 = 33.5 + 33.5.

70 is written.

69 is written.

2 or 3 years x 7 = 14 or 21.

667 - 500 years = 167 years.

175 Abraham - 167 BC and Antiochus Epiphanes who was written about in Daniel beforehand at about = 8 years.
---john_davsi on 7/22/14


Bro.Adetunji, I studied
wicked "jezabel spirit"
it could be in
the body of a man
Or woman, a cult
like you say to tear up!the church!
bible:Ep.6:12. Ep.6:10-17.
"spiritual wickedness in high places"
yes!,a famous gospel singer
all were in SHOCK! her dress!

Churches / youtube blast her!
she' in washinton,d.c. for
rich & famous !!

God help the men of God
be SOLD OUT mind,body, soul to JesusChrist.amen.

Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/22/14


Elena: Some persons are actually on errands from their evil group/cult to go & water down the faith of others in the Church. We all need to always watch and pray. There tares contributed much to the fall from faith of many.
---Adetunji on 7/22/14


Hello,Thankyou! Bro.Adetunji,yes, it' the truth, I am a woman and I use to do things, you know worldly things but now I am free of it.I try to be kind but, I am realistiq, women need stop it
I have a neighbor raised in the church like my grandmother took me, strict women were sent home, or they sat'm in the back, put a shawl o'er them.
She say she went bk home Atlanta first thing she notice in church all the women dress like all their attributes so, men notice! She was livid.She never saw such up in the house of God.I began to pray for pastors!!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/22/14


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Elena : // the ladies all their "attributes God gave them be showing" why? Not for a good reason...Satan at work.//

I totally agree with you. May the good Lord save His own from the increase in sexual covetousness being spread by ungodly dressing.
---Adetunji on 7/21/14


Hello,recall the days when people were glad to go to church, we didn't have alot, we didn't go to see a "fashion show" among the ladies, we had a respect, we didn't go with "our upper body" yall women know that, those who are fully endowed.We got to show more respect for the house and the man or men of God.Women we got to dress with respect if we want respect.We not at the club like we used to do. It time to worship ..
If God got a husband for you, if he there he wants a Godly woman..one couple we talked about this how now these Mega church the ladies all their "attributes God gave them be showing" why?
Not for a good reason...Satan at work.
---Elena_9555 on 7/21/14


//When the founding churches fell into false worship and tradition above scripture. The Protestant movement was born to call back to holiness of living for JESUS. But today many of those churches are falling into just believeism with no dedication and holiness to the LORD//

Samuel,
You are right, but remember God is behind all that happens, He has since the creation of the world. What He decreed, will come to past as it is written. Every time it looks as if men is in control, God corrects their actions because He knows how many will be saved and when is the Coming of Christ. The world is no different now then four thousand years ago, the only difference is, there is more people now. But God has taken that into account also. Agape
---Luke on 7/11/14


Mark 13:28 - Now learn a parable of the fig tree : When her branch is yet tender and and putteth forth leaves , ye know the end summer is near,

Mark 13:29 - So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the door.

Mark 13:30 - Verily I say to unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done,

( Yohanness is some what right - This parable is suppose to be about Israel becoming a nation again - That happen in 1948 - a generation will not pass, if a generation is 70 years - It would be around 2018 - )
---RichardC on 7/10/14


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Israel and Egypt exist as nations on earth.

1948 + 70 years = 2018...
18 = 6 + 6 + 6.
---Yohanness_Davsidon on 7/10/14


Elena9555: Thank God, thank you for your understanding.
---Adetunji on 6/21/14


Hello,Bro.Adetunji,yes,you are correct,once I felt so,confused,but as I began to pray said Lord tell me,help me yes, I.believe there are alot wrong as far as yes,bad women as well, here in.the USA alot of conflict towarYurids the men especially in the area of the court's it messed up! I BELIEVE ALOT of errors are going about in terms of going against some men are really losing because the system not fair and it has caused much suffering.
There are good men,out here too.
We need to get bk to.God as a nation.on.her knees in.prayer & fasting! I agree with your post. God bless you Bro.Adetunji.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14


Adetunji, you are quite right! And I would add that talents and abilities are not gender specific either.
---love.jesus on 6/17/14


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Love.Jesus : I agree that in Christ there is neither male or female. The Lord who made me a man could have made me a woman if HE wills. I do not agree with laws that suffer one gender at the relaxation of the other. The world is busy making laws that protect the good woman against the bad man but are most times negligent of protecting the good man against the bad woman. Goodness or wickedness are not gender specific.
---Adetunji on 6/17/14


There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28)
---love.jesus on 6/16/14


Steveng:
(1) Women are gradually being given power by law to rule over men(it is no gender equality & it is against God's order).
(2) The mark of the beast is already developped in the USA & it can only stay in the 2 places mentioned in Rev.13:15-16.
(3) Evil, terrorism or whatever name(s) it may be called is on the increase.
---Adetunji on 6/13/14


The Church has not been stagnate for the last 2,000 years.

When the founding churches fell into false worship and tradition above scripture. The Protestant movement was born to call back to holiness of living for JESUS.

But today many of those churches are falling into just believeism with no dedication and holiness to the LORD.

Just say some words then live like the rest of the world and you will be fine.

We are all called to be followers of JESUS CHRIST and do his will and live like Him.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/12/14


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\\\\For 2000 years, dedication to Jesus (Jesus worship) has remained 'stagnant' (there have been no advances/discoveries/DEEP understandings until now).\\\\

Since Jesus doesn't change, and the condition of humanity doesn't change, I doubt there will be dynamic shifts over the last 2000 years.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/14


We must not be too proud to listen to each other, thinking we always know better...

"God resists the proud, gives grace to the humble." (1 Peter 5:5b)
---love.jesus on 6/10/14


//Every time for me, the Divine Liturgy and other services of the Orthodox Church are fresh and new, though simultaneously dear and familiar.//

Nice, interesting, and well said...that describes how I feel in my personal time reflecting on God, His Word, and what I think He may want in my life most every morning.
---Rod4Him on 6/10/14


\\For 2000 years, dedication to Jesus (Jesus worship) has remained 'stagnant' (there have been no advances/discoveries/DEEP understandings until now).\\

Really?

Every time for me, the Divine Liturgy and other services of the Orthodox Church are fresh and new, though simultaneously dear and familiar.

Happy Pentecost!
---Cluny on 6/8/14


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Over the centuries, many people have predicted we are in the very last days, only to find their predictions wrong.

YES - we must be ready for the end

NO - we should not try to predict the time of the end

These days may be close, yes, as finally the 'word has been preached to' what we finally can call 'the ends of the earth'

But who knows?

Even Jesus said He did not know the day or the hour

Logically we cannot even know the year!
---Peter on 6/8/14


/We shouldn't be looking for signs of what the end days will be...\-faithforfaith on 6/5/14
Mat 16:3 And in the morning, [It will be] foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O [ye] hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky, but can ye not [discern] the signs of the times?
Luke 21
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
Jesus rebuked others for not discerning the times, told about the signs instead of saying "don't look", and even told us to "watch."
I choose Jesus again.
---micha9344 on 6/5/14


We shouldn't be looking for signs of what the end days will be (the JEWS look for signs because of their insincerity). The REVEALING of the identity of the lawless one and the understanding that a 'shaking' is necessary at present should be considered sufficient to realize that time is short.

Much TRUTH is now being shown to us by God, yet still many REBEL and continue being naysayers ("rebellion").

For 2000 years, dedication to Jesus (Jesus worship) has remained 'stagnant' (there have been no advances/discoveries/DEEP understandings until now).

"Christianity" is not the correct NAME of Jesus worship, but that is really/maybe of no consequence/matter as far as devotion (my opinion).
---faithforfaith on 6/5/14


Interestingly, Daniel was told: 'At that time ('the time of the end'- Dan.11:40) Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise'- Daniel 12:1 (NIV).

Revelation speaks of the time when Michael would be active, 'And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon... Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him... woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short'- Rev.12:7-9,12.

I believe the Bible indicates that the removal of Satan from heaven results in 'woe for the earth' during 'the last days', but the woe is "short".
---David8318 on 6/3/14


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In the last 100 years we have seen an increase of modern things - both good in bad. For example: medicine has really improved, science has improved, space exploration has increased, and on I could go. On the negative side, we see more damage taking place because of the weather, a sharp decline in morality, an increase of Christian persecutions, governments disrupted, and on I could go. It's the increase in speed that is mostly important. The Bible compares the last days like "birth pangs" and having been in the birthing field for 33 years, I know you have "birth pangs" far apart at first, than they get up to a few minutes apart just before birth. If this is true, things are about to terminate, but we don't know when.
---wivv on 6/3/14


We have to apply all (positive as well as negative) events as having been performed by us as individuals, and apply that to our own lives, (not to someone elses) in order to understand the greatness of what Jesus represents.
So this represents the end days of our own carnal nature controlling our thoughts and actions.
Many add further implication and ordinance, especially those trying to be in control of others.
We do establish a high standard in ourselves at this revelation, so this may be seen as abusiveness. It all lends credibility (or detraction) to the weight of our words and prayers. Just as Jesus says.
Thus, the need for understanding His perfection and our own incompletion without Him.

---Jesdan1 on 6/3/14


After Jesus was crucified AND brought the divine Spirit, "the "last days" began. The JESUS dispensation includes both DIVINE/ETERNAL SPIRIT and the 'Messiahship' on the cross (the messiahship is also "the blood" of 1 John 5:8).

In the "last days", it is the "SONS" and the "DAUGHTERS" of God who will announce the real understandings of scripture (there'll be many naysayers both young and old), and we must offer Him acceptable worship (from the heart and mind, not from a book/text). Do not worship Him with 'lip service' and fear (do you resent/fear His reproach?, Isaiah 29:13).

Heb 12:28
"let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe,".
---faithforfaith on 6/3/14


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