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What can a person become if they obey God's Word about love,1 Corinthians 4-8,and how we all should treat one another due to Love,plus how does it enrich the life of the person who loves?

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I believe that a person who continues in sin and does not repent is lost----Samuel

Here you are condemning yet again. You condemn most if not all Christians as nobody is keeping Sabbath as described in OT law. Nor do they repent of it.

Also note in the NT commandments of Jesus (1John3:23) that the Sabbath is not included.

BTW, Samuel, you are misleading Luke by saying that I think Christians have a licence to sin. Although I have already shown you from scripture why Christians cannot sin (which you already agreed with), I never said that Christians had a licence to live selfishly (or "sin" as you wrongly put it).
---Haz27 on 6/27/14


//Haz27 is the one who believes that a Christian has a license to sin. I believe it is a sin to break the laws of GOD. I believe that a person who continues in sin and does not repent is lost. Those who are changing to be like JESUS will not be lost, no matter where they are on the narrow way.//

Haz did not say a believer has a license to sin. You continue in sin everyday, are you lost? While we live in these sinful bodies we will sin. No matter whether we are saved or not. You cannot use condemnation on both, saved or lost. If you say you have no sin the Truth is not in you. So what do you have? No sin, or the truth in you? stop condemning believers, they are freed from the law. There is no condemnation to those in Christ. Agape
---Luke on 6/27/14


Samuel, you have provided many examples of SDA condemnation to any who do not obey the law.

The law is more than just the 10C. But SDA split this law up.
The law written in stones is described as the ministry of condemnation and death, 2Cor 3:7-9. But SDA falsely call it love (in spite of all the condemnation they preach from it).

SDA error doctrine reminds me of the warning in 2Cor 11:3 about legalistic doctrines, But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty , so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ
---Haz27 on 6/27/14


Galatians 5 and other verses give a list of wrong things and says those who do so are lost---Samuel.

Again you preach condemnation, Samuel. Gal 5 speaks of SPIRITUAL offences, not physical as you've been taught.

You say the law and love go together. BUT Rom 11:6 says that works of the law and grace do NOT go together.

It's the legalists that Gal 5 speaks about. They're into drunkenness, being SPIRITUALLY drunk with the wine of SPIRITUAL fornication with Hagar (symbolic for righteousness by works of the law Gal ::24), Rev 17:1.2.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14


Hello Luke. The point of this board is to have discussions. So we are arguing our point of views. We should do this with love and care for others. We should also examine our views and seek to understand others.
Haz27 is the one who believes that a Christian has a license to sin. I believe it is a sin to break the laws of GOD. I believe that a person who continues in sin and does not repent is lost. Those who are changing to be like JESUS will not be lost, no matter where they are on the narrow way.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/14




Good point David.
Haz27.
Galatians5 and other verses give a list of wrong things and says those who do so are lost.

If agreeing with the Bible that those who do the evils listed are lost is condemning people then I am guilty.
Only GOD knows who is lost or saved.

The law and love are intertwined.


Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
You and others say they are split in spite of what the Bible says.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/26/14


David. Like I said before, Christ's commandments are (1John3:23):
1: Believe in Jesus
2: Love one another
.

The law is not included.

In fact Rom 11:6 says we cannot mix these two. It's either one OR the other.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14


Haz
Understand, I'm not saying we gain Eternal Life by keeping the Law of Moses. Because this Law does not produce faith in Jesus Christ.

If you do not steal, lie, murder, or commit Adultery, will this cause you to have faith in Jesus Christ? No.

Like Abraham, we are in a covenant with God, founded on a promise. Like Abraham, if we do what God commands us to do, because we believe in his promise, our faith in Jesus Christ will grow, much like the mustard seed.

Why does our faith in Jesus Christ grow when we keep his commands? Because when we keep them, God will love us just like his own (Under Grace), and then we will know the promise in (John 14:21) is the Truth.

---David on 6/26/14


Dear Samuel,
Why don't you both just agree to disagree?
I also do not agree in your teachings of the law. But I am not here to change you or anyone. Jesus has released us from the law, and you are trying to put the believer back under the law by putting a yoke on him. We, as believers should never teach anyone to break the law, but we know believers do break it. You seem to think that just because a person is saved, he has a license to sin, but you are wrong, no one does. God is changing us everyday to be good Christians. The law is very much alive today, because it is condemning those who are not in Christ. They need Christ. The law is good and the law is righteous, no one should break it, but all do. Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14


I have not condemned---Samuelbb7

Here's examples.
"hypocrites and false". (Your descriptions of Christians whose behavior was not as good as some non-Christians)
Those who refuse to follow GOD (meaning the law) do not really believe
If a person is not walking in good works
(meaning the law) it is because they are not recreated in Christ Jesus
A person who does not act in love
(meaning the law) to others does not believe

You also make claims that seem to contradict your condemnation. I see your message as self-contradictory.

We differ in that I do not preach that deeds of the law determines if one is a believer.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14




When you love others you do not....----Samuel.

Note how you say "do not" in regards to transgressing the law. BUT you admit you fail to "do not" transgress it.

Whilst we agree Christians are not perfect in physical behaviour, you go further and say those disobedient to the law are unbelievers.

When we love others we do not say they're unbelievers if they fail to obey the law (especially as they're not under it anyway). Instead we show same grace/love God showed us. We determine only that others may know Christ. As for another's behaviour, God is well able to discipline us should we do wrong. Let Him do it without us interfering, and especially not with the law.
---Haz27 on 6/26/14


Haz27 since I never condemned David who repented why are you again making a false accusation?
Haz27 I have not condemned anyone you have condemned me, my whole church and over half of Christianity. Where have I done so?
You wrote. : 2: Love one another. And love does no ill to another. Love also forgives 7x70, which we need is this imperfect world. We show same love/grace to others as God showed to us.
Amen. You agree with what I have been saying. Even more then 7X70 but as many times as a person repents.
When you love others you do not steal, lie, commit Adultery, bear false witness and do not covet. So since you are now agreeing with me. Will you show the love you say we are supposed to?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/25/14


David. You speak of God's grace, yet we know you also include the law/ministry of death written on stones (2Cor3:7) with it.

Rom 11:6 tells us that works of the law cannot be mixed with grace.

Note 1John 3:23.
Christ's commandments are:
1: Believe on Jesus.
2: Love one another.
And love does no ill to another. Love also forgives 7x70, which we need is this imperfect world. We show same love/grace to others as God showed us.

Note Christ's commandments do not include the law/ministry of death written in stones (2Cor 3:7) which legalists include.

There's many scriptures warning against works of the law. You only oppose yourself and make yourself a sinner by doing this (Gal 2:18).
---Haz27 on 6/25/14


The promise is also found in (John 3:16). Didn't have enough room for this in my last post.
---David on 6/25/14


It seems you see works of law as works of faith. Haz

Haz
When God commanded Abraham to leave his homeland, did he threaten him with death, if he didn't?
No, Gods command came with a promise, a promise kept, if Abraham did what God told him to do. (Genesis 12:1-3).

Abraham left his homeland, because he believed God would keep this promise. Therefore his obedience is called faith, a faith which has value, a faith God credited as righteousness (Hebrews 11:8).

The Law of Christ, if kept, is much like the commands God gave to Abraham. The promise for those who keep this law (Grace), is found in (John 14:21).
---David on 6/25/14


A person who does not act in love to others does not believe--Samuelbb7

King David had a heart after God, yet he committed adultery/murder. Did God condemn him to death as an unbeliever, like you do Samuel?

Each Christian is at different stages of growth and can even face different life or health challenges that affect their state of mind. So Samuel, why are you so quick to condemn?

Christ's commandments are (1John 3:23):
1: Believe on Jesus.
2: Love one another.
And love does no ill to another. Love also forgives 7x70, which we need is this imperfect world. We show same love/grace to others as God showed to us.

Note Christ's commandments are not the ministry of death (2Cor 3:7) legalists preach.
---Haz27 on 6/25/14


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then goes against what GOD says to do.--Samuelbb7

Legalists go against what God says.

God's will is we believe on Jesus, John 6:40. His will is for us to be sanctified (which we have when we believe on Jesus, Heb 10:10), and that we abstain from fornication (with Hagar, symbolic for righteousness by works of law, Gal 4:24), 1Thess 4:3.
And we know the law is not of faith, Gal 3:12.

Legalists oppose God with their spiritual fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law. They sin against their own body, 1Cor 6:15-18.

Beware the leaven (doctrine of righteousness by works of law, Matt 16:12) of legalists. A little leaven, leavens the whole lump, Gal 5:9.
---Haz27 on 6/25/14


Our beliefs cause us to act in the way JESUS would have us act. We believe that hate is wrong so we act in love.

A person who does not act I love to others does not believe.

Yes David many do not understand how Paul agreed with JESUS and James and all the rest of the Bible.

Love acts. Say a person says they love their child. But then abuse that child. They are lying and really hate that child.

So a person who says they Love GOD and then goes against what GOD says to do.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/24/14


David. It seems you see works of law as works of faith. Such a doctrine is a lukewarm mix of works of the law, with grace, which God rejects (Rom 11:6, Rev3:15).

Our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29. James 2 describes if one is (SPIRITUALLY) naked/hungry and you do not provide then that is faith without works.

We see same in Matt 25, sheep v's goats. Sheep preach gospel to lost, the SPIRITUALLY hungry/thirsty (Christ is food/drink 1Cor 10:3), naked (needing garment of salvation Isa 61:10), sick (Isa 1:5), in prison (Isa42:7), strangers (Eph2:12,19).

Sheep are light of world hence we let our light shine preaching gospel, Matt 5:14. These works show our faith.

Goats preach deeds of the law instead.
---Haz27 on 6/24/14


Read John 3:16-Haz

Haz
Though this is a good example of Grace, it supports what I teach, not what you believe.
Remember, Paul said we are saved by Grace "through Faith". And James taught that faith without deeds, is worthless.

If faith without deeds is worthless, it has no value, and therefore it can not save you.
So believing in Jesus Christ, means you must do what he tells you to do.

This is why Jesus called those wise, who do what he tells them to do. Just like Abraham, your faith is then "accounted" as righteousness.
Meaning a faith with deeds, a faith which shows you have faith, has value.
---David on 6/24/14


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If you think I am wrong, show me where Jesus taught, what you say Paul taught about Grace.
---David on 6/23/14

Read John 3:16
---Haz27 on 6/23/14


Some dont understand Jesus didn't pen the red letters. God inspired those the same as for Moses or Paul. They say I follow Jesus [Matt-John] and not Paul. If that's the case we should follow the Lords instructions, and the apostles example, by selling all that we have and have all things in common (Luke 12:33, Acts 2:45, Acts 4:34).

Salvation would be of the Jews (John 4:22), You wouldn't understand the cross (Luke 18:34), You wouldn't go in a Gentiles house who wasn't a devout observer of the law (Acts 10:28).
Without Pauls writings you can't prove salvation by grace through faith, justification apart from the law, full atonement of your sins through the death and resurrection A church body of both Jew and Gentile
---michael_e on 6/23/14


Haz
I follow the doctrine which Jesus laid down in the Gospels. The Gospels are the very foundation of Paul's letters, Paul's letters are not the foundation for the Gospels of Jesus Christ.

You, and many others, have made the mistake of making Paul's letters the foundation of your salvation teachings. This is the reason Peter told us, Paul's letters were hard for some to understand.

I happen to love Paul's letters. His letters are an embellishment to the Gospels of Jesus Christ. This is what I am trying to get you and others to see.

If you think I am wrong, show me where Jesus taught, what you say Paul taught about Grace.




---David on 6/23/14


David,
You still do not get it. I wrote the passages of Paul to show you what or who grace is. But you do not get it. You are like those who are against the Trinity, because they do not see the word "trinity' in Scripture. You have to have spiritual eyes to see David. Grace ties in with Christ and faith (John 1:17: Rom. 10:4-10). Under grace blessings is bestowed as a free gift. Christ exhibited the Ultimate manifestation of grace. Divine grace provides not only salvation but security. Divine grace teaches and disciplines. Jesus Christ is the manifestation of God's love for us. But you still do not see grace in the words of Christ. Agape
---Luke on 6/23/14


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David. I'm curious as to the name of the church you follow. I've heard of such doctrine before but never heard the name of the church that promotes it.

I understand that you reject whatever Paul says, hence disregard much of the NT.
---Haz27 on 6/22/14


The only reason you do not see grace in the teachings of Jesus is because you have no clue what it means. Luke

Luke
If Jesus Christ taught it, show me the teaching of Grace Jesus taught in the Gospels.

You tell me Jesus taught it and then you quote from the letters of Paul???
---David on 6/22/14


Note also John 1:17 the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Haz

Haz
I don't understand why you would use this scripture as evidence.
For the Law came by Moses, and it was Moses, who taught the Children of Israel the Law. The Jews did not receive the teaching of the Law after Moses died.
As you believe, the teaching of Grace came by Paul, after Jesus died.

So according to what you believe, shouldn't the verse read, "The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Paul"?
---David on 6/22/14


Dear David,
The only reason you do not see grace in the teachings of Jesus is because you have no clue what it means. Grace is the manifestation of God's love and mercy toward sinful men (2 Cor. 8:9: Tit. 2:11). God's essential nature includes both love, manifested in mercy, grace and holiness, manifested in righteous judgment of sin. In the miracle at Calvary, Christ simultaneous paid the full penalty for sin and exhibited the ultimate manifestation of grace. Now God is able to freely save lost men (Rom. 3:24) because Grace functions totally apart from human merit or works. It rest completely in Christ (Eph. 2:8,9). For all Christians, when we see are speak of Christ we should see nothing but Grace. But you do not see grace. Agape
---Luke on 6/22/14


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David. Nor did Jesus call the gospel, the gospel of "peace" or "salvation". Your point about grace is meaningless.

Note also John 1:17 the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Re Matt 19:17, note the young man kept the commandments and even said what LACK I yet?. Jesus replied If thou wilt be perfect (Heb 10:14), go and sell that thou hast (forsake your self-righteousness), and give to the poor (give gospel to poor/lost), and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Legalists today are like that young man. Their righteousness through works of the law is great possessions, hence they forsake the gospel of grace.
---Haz27 on 6/21/14


"Jesus lied to the man"
--David on 6/21/14

Jesus did not lie. That young man in Matt 19 was a legalist who kept the law (had "great possessions" of self-righteousness). Jesus offered him the alternative (the gospel) because that young man knew he still lacked under the law, but he refused the gospel.

As Jesus had not gone to the cross yet then Jesus still preached the law, being that he was under it (Matt 5:19), to those who wanted that instead of God's grace.

Where did Jesus say the law plays no part in salvation?
John 3:16
God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
---Haz27 on 6/21/14


Haz
Did you know Jesus never mentioned the word Grace in his Gospels?
And yet today, it's the most prominent teaching in the Protestant church.

What I'm asking for, is evidence of your understanding of Grace. Where did Jesus teach, obedience to Gods Holy commands, plays no role in our salvation?
Jesus lied to the man in (Matthew 19:17), according to your teaching of Grace. Or do you believe, like other, Jesus lied to make a point?

Now.....that's a sad teaching.
---David on 6/21/14


"I'm not familiar with the gospel of grace"---David

The gospel of grace (Acts 20:24) is also known as:
gospel of the Kingdom, Matt 24:14
gospel of Jesus Christ, Mark 1:1
gospel of God, Rom 1:1
gospel of His Son, Rom 1:9
gospel of peace, Rom 10:15
gospel of salvation, Eph 1:13

The gospel Jesus preached, John 3:16
God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


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Haz27 A person saved by GOD does good works and follows GOD because they are saved.

Because we believe we live for JESUS.

Many scriptures say a saved person produces good works.

Hating sin is the result of loving GOD and loving others. Can someone love sin which is based on hating god and others and be saved?

Babies in Christ are saved just as much as those who are mature in Christ. We are not saved by works.
Those on their deathbed and others who die young are growing in Christ to do right. We are saved when we first believe and then as we grow in CHRIST JESUS we are to learn to do better and love more purely.
Love and belief beget actions of love and caring. No actions no love no caring.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/20/14


Haz
I'm not familiar with the gospel of grace. Can you tell me where Jesus taught this gospel.
---David on 6/20/14


David. I understand that you're saying the law is the measuring stick for one's "imparted" righteousness, and that those who obey the law perfectly are abiding in Christ. Those who do not are not abiding in Christ. Is this what you're saying?

Now scripture defines sin as transgression of the law (1John 3:4) and unrighteousness (1John 5:17). Clearly both these are linked.

Sadly, the doctrine you propose is works of the law. Without PERFECT obedience to the law then one is unrighteous, according to your doctrine. This is contrary to the gospel of grace.

---Haz27 on 6/20/14


"learn to hate sin"--Samuelbb7

Samuel. This "learn to hate sin" doctrine you've been taught is not supported in scripture.

If Christians are to learn to hate sin, then what happens to those with death bed salvation who don't get the opportunity to learn to hate sin?
Do they go to Heaven still liking sin, having never learned to hate it?

And we all live different life spans. Does that mean only those who live a long life ever get to learn to hate sin?

Will there be Christians in Heaven with differing levels of liking/hating sin depending on how much they learned to hate it in this life?

This learning to hate sin doctrine is nonsensical and is not supported in scripture.
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


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You seem to be saying those who abide in Christ obey the law perfectly. Is that correct? -Haz

Haz
Sin, the desire to sin, literarily, lives in you.
If sin lives in you, it is impossible for us to keep the Law, but if that which causes us to sin dies, we have no reason for sin.

How does someone know a flu virus lives in them?
If someone has the flu virus, symptoms of the virus will be exhibited, but when the virus has died, will they still exhibit these symptoms?

Many believers, believe the sin "Virus" has died in them, when the virus still exhibits the symptoms. These symptoms are their sign, sin still lives in them.
---David on 6/20/14


"We are to walk in righteousness because we are saved. If a person does not follow GOD they are not saved.---Samuelbb7

Samuel, I know that you say that your not trying to save yourself by works.
BUT, note your quote above which states that your not righteous/saved unless you obey the law.

You don't see yourself as righteous/saved unless you're obeying the law to some minimum standard. And you cannot even tell us what that minimum standard is.
You correctly say that Christians are not perfect, BUT THEN you say that they have to attain some minimum standard of obedience to the law (follow God) or else they're lost.

This is mixing works of the law with grace. But we cannot mix these two, Rom 11:6.
---Haz27 on 6/20/14


"If a person does not follow GOD they are not saved"--Samuelbb7

Hi Samuel. You say we are to walk in righteousness. But where you err is in thinking this means attaining some minimum standard of obedience to the law. You even describe "good works" as obedience to the law.

To walk in righteousness is to believe on Jesus, thus our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5. Remember that the law is not of faith,Gal 3.
And our works are to believe on Jesus, John 6:29.

By all means Christians should love one another. But righteousness and works are about believing on Jesus. To mix works of the law with grace is lukewarm and unacceptable to God, Rev 3:15, Rom 11:6
---Haz27 on 6/19/14


If we mix works of law with grace that is being lukewarm. Rom 11:6.
Haz27
I am not trying to save myself by works as you keep accusing. I work because I am saved. You seem to be saying that a person who tries to not sin is lost.

Rom 3:27,28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
But we are created as new creature to do works.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
We are to walk in righteousness because we are saved. If a person does not follow GOD they are not saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/19/14


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Dear David,
I do not know why you would say Samuel has a sin that is habitual as if you do not have one yourself. You point to his sin, but not yours. We all sin. We all come short of the glory of God. You also said that sin was dead and gave Romans 7:7-25. What those passages are saying is that when there was no law, sin was dead, meaning the person did not know he was a sinner. God had not set His laws. But, "sin taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead" Romans 7:8. We are not slaves to sin, but we still sin. Everyone does. Agape
---Luke on 6/19/14


Hi David. Whilst we agree Christians cannot sin (1John 3:9), I suspect we differ in understanding. Please correct if I misunderstand you.

You seem to be saying those who abide in Christ obey the law perfectly. Is that correct?

You said we are to live righteously. This seems to suggest you imply perfect obedience to the law.

Whilst I agree the law of righteousness requires perfect obedience (James 2:10), the law is not how our righteousness is determined. Our faith is counted for righteousness Rom 4:5, hence Christ is the END of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes Rom 10:4.

If we mix works of law with grace that is being lukewarm. We cannot mix them, a Rom 11:6.
---Haz27 on 6/19/14


Nana
Another name for lust is the evil desire that lives in everyone of us. Jesus taught, it is this desire which causes us to sin.

When someone is born of God, this desire is dead. If that which causes sin, has died, why do those who say it has died, continue to sin?
Temptation + no evil desire = no sin.

I do not write to argue or to judge those in sin. I write to bring them hope, of living the life of righteousness all believers desire. But to do this, I must first wake them up.
Samuel has this desire, and I want to bring him this hope. Not because I despise him for his beliefs, but because I love him because he believes.
---David on 6/19/14


"But since March of 2001, when I was born of Gods Holy Spirit, I no longer lust when I see a beautiful woman."
David on 6/18/14

You still recognize 'beauty' in a woman and that definition excludes other women which are not 'beautiful' so, you do not see all women the same.
Not only that but that sense of 'beauty' you still see and differentiate, is, according to you, that which made you lust. Perhaps you may not lust
full-fledged as you used to but the object still catches your eye.

To that Paul says, 1 Corinthians 9:27 "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."
---Nana on 6/18/14


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I actually do not have a habitual sin. I have as a male, some that I struggle with, and have to keep under constant control.-Samuel

Samuel, the 'keep under constant control' is something that we can never do alone.

I also am tempted, and I have sinned, so I am forced to return to God, confess that the temptation is there, and beg for His forgiveness and cleansing.
---Peter on 6/18/14


Well I am a sinner saved by grace and GOD has freed me from being a slave to sin. But thoughts do pass through my mind.

But as one person said a long time ago. We may not be able to stop a bird flying over our head. But we do not have to let it build a nest there.

Let us love one another as JESUS love us.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/18/14


I actually do not have a habitual sin. I have as a male, some that I struggle with, and have to keep under constant control.-Samuel

Samuel
Sounds like something an Alcoholic in denial would say, when trying to convince someone they are not an Alcoholic.
They will tell you they just have to keep their drinking under constant control.

Like you, I also had a problem with the 7th commandment (Matthew 5:28).
But since March of 2001, when I was born of Gods Holy Spirit, I no longer lust when I see a beautiful woman.

When the Holy Spirit convicted me of sin, I tried to quit, only I couldn't. What I was shown was that I was as much as a slave to sin as the Alcoholic is a slave to alcohol.
---David on 6/18/14


Interesting David. You have never meet me and I have never stated that I have a single sin in my life that I keep doing over and over.

Are you saying that you have no sin that you struggle with and sometimes fall?

I actually do not have a habitual sin. I have as a male some that I struggle with and have to keep under constant control.

My wife says I am too nice to people who need to be told off. My son tells me I am too compulsively honest. I sometimes face doubt since I lost my regular good paying job and have to start over making a lost less money.

But all those are just part of life. GOD is with me and I love Him. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/14


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Samuel
You have a sin in your life you have committed over and over. If you are not a slave of that sin, why do you do what you do not want to do?

I have never met you, and yet I know you have battled over this sin for many years. Why do you think it's still there, if sin has died?

Brother, I just want you to be honest with yourself. Paul writes of the same experience you are having in (Romans 7:7-25). How can Jesus free you from the slavery of sin, if you don't know you are a slave to sin? This is why that sin has remained alive and well these many years.
---David on 6/17/14


Love is the only key to successful life on earth. Without it or less of it means skimpy success or joy or happiness. God bless you all.
---Lanie on 6/17/14


Love is the only key to successful life on earth. Without it or less of it means skimpy success or joy or happiness. God bless you all.
---Lanie on 6/17/14


David I agree with you that JESUS never committed a single sin. Because we are born again JESUS looks at us not as sinners but as if we had never sinned. But JESUS is GOD and we are not gods. We are sinners saved by the Grace and love of GOD.
Where my doctrine disagrees with yours is that while we are justified and accounted as sinless we still can sin. You have admitted that you do wrong things but say they are not sin. Not because they are not against the law of GOD but because whatever you do is not a sin because Christians cannot be charged with sin. But 1John2:1 says when we sin we are to ask our High Priest for forgiveness. If we can never sin then this verse is false.
Thank you for the respect. GOD bless and keep you.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/16/14


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Samuel
I hope you can concede the point, if we use Jesus as our example as one born of God in (1 John 3:9-10), the NASB translation is not only wrong, but blasphemous.

I looked at an SDA site, and it agreed with the KJV translation of (1 John 3:9-10). You did scare me though, for I respect the SDA more than most doctrines.
---David on 6/16/14


Samuel
Forgive me, I really need to read up on the beliefs of the SDA. Help me understand.

According to you, and the way the NASB translates (1 John 3:9-10), Jesus, who was born of God, did not practice sin.
Meaning that like you, also born of the seed of God, he sinned, only he didn't make a habit of it?

There's the difference in our beliefs, I believe what the KJV says, that Jesus who was born of God, did not sin, and he could not sin, because he was born of the seed of God.
We are much farther apart in our beliefs than I thought.

---David on 6/14/14


Samuel, your definition of "practice" as "habitual" makes scripture contradict itself. It's SDA contradictory interpretation of scripture that I've been trying to show you. Hence my question, what level of obedience to the law determines whether one is in habitual sin? Most, if not all, Christians habitually neglect the Sabbath as the OT describes we should keep it. Therefore SDA doctrines condemns all.

Re Gal 5:21, etc that you quote, you read them as a natural man does. BUT scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14. Those scriptures describe spiritual offences. Because you read scripture physically you only miss the truth and could be led into walking in the flesh, which is unbelief.
---Haz27 on 6/13/14


Haz27 The Habitual action is an appropriate definition. It matches what 1john 2:1-3 says and does not make the verse contradict chapter one.

So David have you changed your statement to say you never do anything wrong.

I have overcome by the blood many sins in my life but I do not trust myself. I must only depend upon my savior and High Priest and his imputed righteousness.

I did not know that all Calvinist were not protestant. Thank you for teaching me.
I did not see where Haz27 made a case for the KJV. NASB is considered a very true translation some are not. But your disagreement is not based on the words but on your doctrine. I believe our Doctrine should match what the Bible says and not reverse the process.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/14


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Haz27
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
You say this is a lie. Imparted Righteousness given to all who believe.
Tit 2:7 In all things shewing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine shewing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Your point is that if you do what the Bible says you are lost.

When I do not lie then I would be doing a work of the law that you say will cause me to be lost.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/13/14


Pharisees were saying they were not sinners since they were justified.

Samuel
But that's not what (John 8:34) says. And Haz makes a good case about the version you choose to quote.

Can you see how the NASB tried to manipulate the passage to read as they believe, and not as it should be read?

Why do these versions do this?
It's because they have not experienced it. And since they have not experienced it, they must change the passage to fit their experience.

Jesus Christ did not sin and he could not sin.
Why?
Because he was born of the seed of God.
I teach it as it is written, because I have had this experience. If I didn't have this experience, I would probably believe as you do.
---David on 6/13/14


Samuel. The term "practice" is defined in several ways. The definitions include 1:a habitual action, or 2: to put into action.

Which definition do you apply to your reading of 1John 3:6-9 you quoted?

If you refer to definition 1 then that would contradict the verse that says we "cannot" sin".

But if you refer to definition 2 then that confirms the verse that says we "cannot" sin.

Which definition do you use for "practice"?
---Haz27 on 6/12/14


John 8:34 is true. Pharisees were saying they were not sinners since they were justified.
1John 3:8-10 NASB
The one who practices sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.
No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
This translation brings out the meaning clearer.
We do not ignore the rest to take two verses out of context.
I do believe what these passages say. Do you?
---Samuelbb7 on 6/12/14


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I follow the Bible and always have.-Samuel

Samuel
You have no idea how happy I would be, if your statement were true.

Do you believe what Jesus said in (John 8:34)?
Do you believe what John gives us, as the sign, to know we have been born of God in (1 John 3:9-10)KJV?

Is it not true, these passages are rejected, as written in the KJV, by you and many believers?
Why are they rejected as written?

Many churches teach these passages are lies, by saying anyone who teaches these passages, as written, are Liars.
When I tell you I have been born of God, and I can not sin, do you not think I am a Liar?

Why would you think this, if you believed what these passages clearly say?
---David on 6/12/14


// I follow the Bible and always have. By the way Calvinists are Protestants. I do not trust in teachings but in JESUS and GOD. I use many Bibles and have read many different Bibles.//

Dear Samuel,
by the way Calvinist are not all protestants. They come from all denominations, and in fact most of them were from the Roman Catholic Church. If you belonged to the "The Alliance of Confessing Evangelical's" You would know where they come from. The Alliance members are from all denominations. Just something you should know. Agape
---Luke on 6/12/14


"When a person truly has faith they will do their Fathers will." -Samuelbb7

What is God's will?
John 6:40
this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: ..

1Thess 4:3
For this is the will of God, even your sanctification (which we have when we believe on Jesus, Heb 10:10) that ye should abstain from fornication (with Hagar, who is symbolic for righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:24).

To mix works of the law with grace is lukewarm and God rejects it, Rom 11:6, Rev 3:15. Those who mix works and grace are rebelling against the will of God and He calls upon them to repent, Rev 3:19.
---Haz27 on 6/12/14


David My purpose here is to help people and show the truth of the Gospel and love of GOD to all here. I follow the Bible and always have. By the way Calvinists are Protestants. I do not trust in teachings but in JESUS and GOD. I use many Bibles and have read many different Bibles.
To truly believe is to do. If a person says they believe and do not do they are deceiving themselves and others. Believe is a synonym for faith. When a person truly has faith they will do their Fathers will.
Agape.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/11/14


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Samuel
My whole purpose in life, is to get folks who have not experienced the relationship with God, as they thought it should be, to experience it as it should be.

I followed Christ for many years using the Protestant teachings, and I walked away from God. I discovered many years later, through the Holy Spirit, it was not God who had failed me, but my trust in those teachings.

I did that which the Lord put into my mind, and I fell in love with God, and God with me. Just as the Lord taught in (John 14:21-23). But for folks to experience what I have, they need to seek God through his Holy Spirit and not through their doctrine.
Then they will see the King James Bible is, as it is written.
---David on 6/11/14


And to love your neighbor, you must keep the commandments of God. Those commandments which say do no evil to your neighbor (those written on stone), as well as those which tell us to render aid to those in need. (John 14:21),(Romans 2:7) & (James 2:14-17).

Or as Jesus said, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice."

---David

Amen David. You just agree with so much of what I have been saying. That it brings joy to my hearts. Praise the LORD.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14


Darlene
Life, a good life, which begins and ends with love, will be a life blessed by God.
A Godly life is not about keeping the commandments, it's about loving your neighbor.

And to love your neighbor, you must keep the commandments of God. Those commandments which say do no evil to your neighbor (those written on stone), as well as those which tell us to render aid to those in need. (John 14:21),(Romans 2:7) & (James 2:14-17).

Or as Jesus said, "I desire mercy, not sacrifice."
---David on 6/10/14


Amen and Amen to all here about Love.

The Word Agape is Greek for love that does not seek it's own but loves for the sake of the other.


John 13:35

By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


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Luke so right. I loved the scripture you shared. When we live in Agape love according to the Bible we won't fulfill the lust of the flesh and thats exactly what happens,no love fallen back into the fleshly ways. Josef thats so right,sow to flesh die, love others sowing to the Spirit live. Elena keep up the good work of being a prime example of Godly love in action. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/9/14


Dear Darline,
The objects of faith, and hope will be fulfilled and perfectly realized in heaven, but love, the God-like virtue, is everlasting (1 John 4:8). Heaven will be the place for the expression of nothing but perfect love toward God and each other. That is why we are told,
"And now abide faith, hope, love, these three, but the greatest is love" 1 Cor. 13:13.
Jesus is love, and without Him it profits us nothing.
---Luke on 6/9/14


Thankyou,Darlene1 give credit to my grandmother she taught me,to pray be concern about others always! God will know we have love in.our hearts if we show we care & love one another,even our enemies.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/9/14


"how does it enrich the life of the person who loves?"
"While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest,...shall not cease." "Whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap. He which sows sparingly shall reap also sparingly, and he which sows bountifully shall reap also bountifully." Gal 6:7>2Co 9:6
Sow love, reap love. Sow bountifully, reap bountifully.
---josef on 6/8/14


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Thank you so,much..every prayer is
a help,knock'knock at the heart of our Father God.He hears,cares,help us...

I believe in my heart & soul if he doesn't answer a prayer,it not in the will of God,keeping us safe from harm.or something,or someone we need to avoid.God does love us everyone..that why He gave his son.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/7/14


Elena Yes it does need the nurture of the Word,and love,we have all had to take a journey in our Spiritual life and that will lead to change in our regular life. You are a very precious person and true blessing,I know I can always count on you to care about me and my family. I love you my little sister in Christ and am happy to include you in my prayers every day. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/7/14


Hello,Darlene_1 Our spiritual man has to.be nurtured just like a baby.If we seek to.love,forgive,help kling to
the word(of God)I CAN never forget where God has brought me from! His mercy,His forgiveness,he has taught me the wisdom & have the compassion know the difference,people know if you are for real.or phony.It's a joy to love them,fast,pray for them.
Ps.103:4,5
---Elena9555 on 6/7/14


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