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Children Of Israel After Egypt

Did the children of Israel get reparations after being enslaved in Egypt?

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Thx Luke! I've not been trying to defend myself. It's not about me. Rather, I've only tried to support what the Bible clearly says to anyone who has an ear to hear.

You're right, we definitely can't change how others feel about us & therein lies the real problem as to why people can't hear the truth, e.g., in this instance about REPARATION, coming from a person they're ethnically biased against ~ just plain & simply don't like. All we can do is pray God will move upon & breakup their hard hearts before it destroys them.
---Leon on 6/28/14


Recently (Mar. '14), an Egyptian columnist has called for Israel to pay Cairo reparations - and this time, it's Biblical.

"We want compensation for the [Ten] Plagues that were inflicted upon [us] as a result of the curses that the Jews' ancient forefathers [cast] upon our ancient forefathers, who did not deserve to pay for the mistake that Egypt's ruler at the time, Pharaoh as the Torah calls him, committed," Ahmad Al-Gamal, a writer for the Al-Yawm Al-Sabi' daily.

Lunatic!!!
---Leon on 6/28/14


Dear Leon.
God bless you too in all things. We all have a lot to learn. I am as guilty as you are. I try to defend myself some times but my spirit is troubled for a time. I need to forgive and move on. Never holding anything on anyone.
I could not believe a brother calling another brother an animal, as I was called. Even if someone is not a believer, we should never say that to anyone, as I was called. Let us all fast and pray for one another.
Jesus never said it was going to be easy being a Christian, in fact He said it would be hard, but we should joy in the fact that we do all things for the glory of God. Bless you and I will move on. Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14


Okay Luke, I've said what I had to say & you've done likewise. So, let's agree to disagree agreeably. God bless! :)
---Leon on 6/25/14


//The only way to deal with these devils is by fasting & prayer...//

Dear Leon,
If you believe what you just said, why don't you do it? Fast and pray. Instead of answering back by calling them "Satan's ungodly imps" or "hellhounds." Try not to be proud, let it go and move on.
Today I was called a animal by someone who just doesn't like me. When I hear those comments, I know these person needs salvation, or prayer. You and Kathr just didn't agree. you and I just didn't agree. That is ok, we are not all taught the same. We cannot change how others feel about us. We, show the flesh many times, but we need to walk in the Spirit for the glory of God. We should never speak for Satan. Love you brother, Agape
---Luke on 6/25/14




"Satan's ungodly imps will attack this & every other blog that seeks to highlight edifying Bible truth that will bless the souls of people."

Hey, I have noticed that also. How many others here have seen it?

I also noticed that if Leon wasn't here 85% of the ungodly attacks would not be here either.

Does anyone know of any blog where Leon has not shown his god complex or hate for others?
---Elder on 6/24/14


Luke: Satan's ungodly imps will attack this & every other blog that seeks to highlight edifying Bible truth that will bless the souls of people. When anyone speak & embrace the truth on these blogs the hellhounds get busy in an attempt to misdirect the topic of conversation & quickly fill up the blog to it's maximum limit with hellish noise & confusion. It's their way of saying, "I don't want to hear it & I won't let anyone else either"! The only way to deal with these devils is by fasting & prayer...
---Leon on 6/24/14


This is another blog that has turned personal attacks.

"For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, it does not submit to God's law, indeed it cannot, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God" Romans 8:7,8.

"To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure, their very minds and consciences are corrupted" Titus 1:15.
---Luke on 6/24/14


One standing in the scorching heat all day can also be "disposed" to faint, but I doubt he/she is "favorably disposed" or willing.

Bark, growl rrrrrrrrrr!
---kathr4453 on 6/24/14


This barking that I hear, will it ever end? Lord please muzzle her!!!
---Leon on 6/23/14




Favorably disposed....inclined or willing in a favorable way...just as scripture states, God put it in their hearts to be favorably disposed....WILLING.

Again Leon, to insert LIABLE as a synonym for disposed is your own doing. God did not make them LIABLE, He made them favorably willing.

If someone holds you "liable" Leon, you don't have to be willing at all, you just have to do what you were ordered to do, even against your feelings. God never ORDERED anyone to do anything.

If I held you Liable for your dog destroying my yard, The judges decision in no way would change your heart! only your bank account bottom line. You still may have an evil heart against me, but restitution would have been implemented.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/14


Leon, make up all the words you want and believe what you want on any issue you want. But please don't ask other to validate your nonsense. And please stop cursing those who refuse to validate your nonsense, and double talk.

You don't ask these questions to get an honest answer back, you ask for the sheer purpose of trying to brainwash people to see your distorted view. And get angry when one points out your trickery and word manipulation with your own meanings. Is this why you want others to believe an out an out lie is just an opinion? Truth mixed with a lie is an opinion? So this is YOUR example of OPINION? Are you trying to emulate satan? Or Bill Clinton? .."legally lying" ..hehehehe!
---kathr453 on 6/23/14


If my dog destroyed your yard, and I being liable, would out of an honest heart pay for any damages without anyone telling me my responsibility.

But nowhere does it say the neighbors were liable for the misfortune of the Jews living among them. The Government and pharaoh would be held legally liable if they admitted to their own wrong doing, and all restitution would come out of the government's coffer. Because that never happened, Pharaoh having a hard heart, God worked in the neighbors hearts who's hearts obviously were not hardened against the Jews. No scripture says the neighbors abused the Jews, being held liable for their captivity. It was GOD's WILL they were in captivity for a time for a purpose as Romans 9 tells us.
---kathr453 on 6/23/14


DIS.POSED
dis & #712,p & #333,zd/
adjective
adjective: disposed

inclined or willing.
"James didn't seem disposed to take the hint"
synonyms: inclined, predisposed, minded More
"they are philanthropically disposed"
willing, inclined, prepared, ready, minded, in the mood
"we are not disposed to argue"
LIABLE, apt, inclined, likely, predisposed, prone, tending,
capable of
"he was disposed to be cruel"
having a specified attitude to or toward.
"it is expected that he will be FAVORABLY DISPOSED toward the proposals" (Source: Google)
---Leon on 6/22/14


liable:responsible by law, legally answerable.
synonyms: responsible, legally responsible, accountable, answerable, chargeable, blameworthy, at fault, culpable, guilty

Now you say "liable" also means "favorably disposed"? Seriously Leon? Gee, I've never heard of one being sued for liable being FAVORABLY DISPOSED towards their victim willingly offering from the heart restitution. Did "Pharaoh" set up a Reparation FUND for the Jews?

Now there is one set up for Jews re: WWII, as well as other peoples. You may want to study to see how those went into effect to get a true understanding of the word "Reparations".
---kathr4453 on 6/22/14


//Please stop trying to find fault with me & get with the program, i.e., the Bible. Thank you! :)//

Dear Leon,
I love the program concerning the word of God, the Bible. In fact if you were to stay within the word of God, you would have noticed the almost all my answers are for the glory of God. The only time I answer someone the way I do is when the other person makes the blog question something personal. And goes right at the one who answered for not saying the correct answer you believe should have been given. There is no reason to get personal. Everyone is trying to answer to the best of their ability. There might be one or two people who answer to just argue, but most are answering because they love to discuss Scripture. Agape
---Luke on 6/22/14


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Kathr: Aren't you presuming "God...would have gladly used it if that is what it was."?

"And I will make the Egyptians favorably disposed [LIABLE] toward this people, so that when you leave you will not go empty-handed." Exodus 3:21, NIV

What does that mean?
---Leon on 6/21/14


Leon, just because the new king of Egypt forgot Joseph does not mean the people themselves forgot. I am sure in many countries where reparations have been discussed, yet opposed by some governments to hold governments and corporations accountable to set up reparation funds for said peoples, doesn't make the individual citizen accountable for reparations. If the individual citizens have it in their heart to give "FREELY" for the needs of those asking help, it is not "legally defined" as reparations. Jews during WWII. Many hid and helped Jews out of the heart, not reparations.

God knows what the word reparation and restitution mean, and would have gladly used it if that is what it was.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/14


OPINION: A view or judgment formed about someone or something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. For example, a LIE.
Synonyms: thought(s),(point of) view, attitude, etc.


Kathr: For some reason, you didn't get it or maybe chose to ignore the definition gist of the word "opinion". I should've bracketed "For example, a LIE" because it wasn't an original part of the "online definition". I added it because of the statement "not...knowledge" which means with all opinions one can choose & stick to the facts or totally disregard them. In the latter case the opinion becomes nothing but a LIE.

Let's agree to disagree shall we? :)
---Leon on 6/21/14


Leon, you are free to define words as you please, but it's your own personal definition. Another example is on your OPINION blog. You claim that a synonym for "opinion" is LIE. Yet no thesaurus I have come across even suggest the word LIE is a synonym if the word "opinion". That was your invention alone, trying to pass it off as a legitimate synonym.

You are free to do that as well, but you may lose some respect from others who have a clearer understanding of words and definitions.

NOW if God had said......BECAUSE OF YOUR TIME OF SLAVERY I have put it in the hearts of your neighbors to recompense you for all your misery, then yes. But that was never stated. So I respectfully disagree.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/14


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Exodus 12:35 The Israelites did as Moses instructed and asked the Egyptians for articles of silver and gold and for clothing.
36 The LORD had made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and they gave them what they asked for, so they plundered the Egyptians.


Kathr: I respectfully disagree with your opinion because it overlooks the Authority of the highest form of government: GOD. Who told Moses what to tell the Israelites? GOD! Who defeated the Egyptian governor (Pharoah)? GOD! Who made the Egyptians give to the Israelites? GOD!

What verses should I re-read? IMHO, the giving extended far beyond the piggy banks of "neighbors". :)

Conclusion: Reparations indeed!
---Leon on 6/21/14


Leon no reparations. That would have to be given by the heads of the government as a form of restitution. This was asked and given by THEIR NEIGHBORS. So who were the neighbors? It doesn't say their MASTERS...but neighbors. It doesn't say their BOSSES, but their neighbors.

So in my opinion it was given out of the generosity of "the hearts" of their NEIGHBORS. "Your neighbors" don't owe you anything. Leon go back and read those verses.

Leon, if I found out my neighbor was leaving her abusive husband, or boss, or whatever and I was asked for help .....I don't "owe"them anything.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/14


"...Jacob & family [didn't enter] Egypt empty handed or as slaves.

MY [scripture based] OPINION is their cattle, [like them], multiplied. [So] they [didn't] get reparations, but took what was rightfully theirs... "
---kathr4453 on 6/20/14


True Kathr, Jacob had great wealth on entering Egypt. But, once enslaved, his children were forced into hard labor 430 YEARS WITHOUT PAY. They suffered mental duress & were physically oppressed by Egyptian taskmasters/overseers. Also, Egypt levied extremely high taxes upon them which significantly diminished their wealth.

YES REPARATION: making amends for a wrong one has done, by monetary payment to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.
---Leon on 6/20/14


genesis 46: 5 And Jacob rose up from Beersheba: and the sons of Israel carried Jacob their father, and their little ones, and their wives, in the wagons which Pharaoh had sent to carry him.

6 And they took their cattle, and their goods, which they had gotten in the land of Canaan, and came into Egypt, Jacob, and all his seed with him:

Jacob and family did not go to Egypt empty handed or as slaves.

MY OPINION based on scripture is, their cattle, as did they, multiplied. Therefore they did not get reparations, but took what was rightfully theirs. Others who were not Israel also left with them and took their own possessions as well.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/14


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Exodus 12:35 The Israelites did as Moses instructed and asked the Egyptians for articles of silver and gold and for clothing.
36 The LORD had made the Egyptians favorably disposed toward the people, and they gave them what they asked for, so they plundered the Egyptians.


The Israelites didn't steal the gold. It was given voluntarily to them by the Egyptians. And it was an act of God in the hearts of the Egyptians. The word plundering indicates the great amount they received, not by theft or reparations.
---kathr453 on 6/20/14


Luke: You're not paying attention! I never said, nor would ever think my "personal opinions" are right above anyone else. I've tried to explain that our personal opinions (private interpretations) are to one degree or another inaccurate if they're not rooted & grounded in what the Bible says. "In my opinion", a right opinion is one that draws it's conclusion(s), in right context, from what the Bible says.

Like pie holes, everyone has opinions about this or that. But, to be accurate our opinions must line up with God's Bible/word. An opinion is godly only if it's based upon God's word!

Please stop trying to find fault with me & get with the program, i.e., the Bible. Thank you! :)
---Leon on 6/20/14


"--This blog seems more about agreeing with ** than the Word of God.
--There is no reason for a follower of Christ to belittle others for not agreeing with him."
micha9344 on 6/13/14

Well said!! Your comments show that more than one person knows this. There is also a reason why someone acts like this. There is something important missing in their life.

Many have came to C/N and acted just like this. Now they are just memories. They disappear and no one cares or will miss them. They are not as important as they thought.
---Elder on 6/20/14


Leon,
There lies the problem, you feel only your interpretation is godly, and the others are not. So when you do not get what you like, it upsets you and you answer the way you do to others. Which is not right. If you already know the answers, and you believe in them, why even ask the questions you post? You need to be more considering and explain why you believe your answer is correct, and if they do not agree, you should just move on to someone who does. You are not the only Spirit led person online. Help others, be kind and humble to those who do not know and respect others who are lost, this way they might come to know the truth. Agape
---Luke on 6/20/14


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"...Every commentary out there comes from the interpretation of those who are commenting. It is not the word of God. It is their own opinions on what a passage means. Even the definitions of words are someone's opinion. Agape"
---Luke on 6/18/14


Therein lies the real problem Luke: the wrong-headed private interpretations (OPINIONS) of men rather than Holy Spirit led exegesis. A great many CN bloggers & Bible commentators practice eisegesis (personal/SELF interpretations, OPINIONS contrary to the "Bible teachings of the Holy Spirit"). Many of these people aren't even born again Christians! Rather, they are unfortunately the blind leading the blind.
---Leon on 6/19/14


//Luke: I've never at any time asked you CN bloggers for your opinions on any given subject.//

Dear Leon,
what kind of answer do you think those who answer will give? They will give their opinions unless it is the Word of God. You even answered with your opinion on what reparation means.
Then say,
// I've always sought Bible-based truth from my fellow bloggers. Afterall, this is "supposed to be" a christian blog site.//

Every commentary out there comes from the interpretation of those who are commenting. It is not the word of God. It is their own opinions on what a passage means. Even the definitions of words are someone's opinion. Agape
---Luke on 6/18/14


Psalm 105: "Israel also came into Egypt, Thus Jacob sojourned in the land of Ham. And He caused His people to be very fruitful, And made them stronger than their adversaries."

//slaves are property & own nothing!//

Exodus 12:32 "Take both your flocks and your herds, as you have said, and go, and bless me also."

Exodus 12:38 "A mixed multitude also went up with them, along with flocks and herds, a very large number of livestock."

Livestock and food was wealth. How does one spend gold and silver in the desert?

As someone else mentioned, the silver and gold was used for the tabernacle, in addition it was used for a golden calf.
---Rod4Him on 6/14/14


/slaves are property & own nothing!\-Leon on 6/13/14
Exo 9:4 And the LORD shall sever between the cattle of Israel and the cattle of Egypt: and there shall nothing die of all that is the children's of Israel.
Exo 10:9 And Moses said, We will go with our young and with our old, with our sons and with our daughters, with our flocks and with our herds will we go, for we must hold a feast unto the LORD.
-I chose to believe God.
/In other words the Israelites asked for & the Egyptians GAVE them what they asked for to restore (repair) their wealth (economy), i.e., REPARATIONS!\-Leon on 6/13/14
-With the premise of "no wealth" contradicted by scripture, the restoration thereof also vanishes.
---micha9344 on 6/13/14


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Rod: It wasn't the nation Egypt being stubborn. It was their ruler, Pharoah.

You seem to believe because the children of Israel prospered for many years in Egypt, before becoming slaves, they kept their wealth after being enslaved? Not so! Slavery is total domination: physical, spiritual & material, i.e., slaves are property & own nothing!

"And the LORD gave the people such favor in the Egyptians' sight that THEY GAVE them what they requested. In this way they plundered [took from] the Egyptians." (Ex. 12:36, Holman Christian Standard Bible)

In other words the Israelites asked for & the Egyptians GAVE them what they asked for to restore (repair) their wealth (economy), i.e., REPARATIONS!
---Leon on 6/13/14


Leon, That's okay. I will withdraw the question. God bless.
---love.jesus on 6/13/14


"My next question is, why is this important? Why is it important to call them reparations? How is this going to help me as a Christian? If there is a really good reason, I am more willing to accept it."
---love.jesus on 6/12/14


To answer your question, I must first ask you why is it important for you to not call it reparations despite the Bible evidence that it was? If you answer my question honestly, it could help your growth as a christian. You need not reply here. That should be between you & God. :)
---Leon on 6/12/14


Israel plundered (Ex 12:36) the Egyptians by taking articles of gold, silver, and clothing. That was probably a continual judgement against Egypt for being stubborn. If Egypt had let them go in the first place, perhaps Israel would not have gotten Egypt's gold, silver, and clothing. Granted we don't know, but the opinion is as valid as others. In addition, Israel prospered for many years before becoming slaves.

The idea in the Bible seems to be more in line with a defeat of the Egyptians rather than the Egyptians agreeing with reparations.

Reparations seems to have a connotation of the loser giving wealth willingly for wrongs done. When Abraham took the wealth of the 5 Kings, was it reparation? I doubt it...the kings lost the war.
---Rod4Him on 6/13/14


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/Micha: Of course that's no more than YOUR DELUSIONAL OPINION\-Leon on 6/12/14
/Cliff...If you believe that, your mind must be drifting aimlessly in a log jam down the river DENIAL\-Leon on 6/12/14
/You are like a blind man who is sitting in a dark room & looking for a black cat that isn't there. You're pompous beyond belief Cluny. Never mind!\-Leon on 6/9/14
/Don't let your thoughts on the matter drift aimlessly down the river Denial Love\-Leon on 6/8/14
--This blog seems more about agreeing with Leon than the Word of God.
--There is no reason for a follower of Christ to belittle others for not agreeing with him.
---micha9344 on 6/13/14


"...I would consider [?!!!] it more a peace offering, as in "please leave us in peace."
---micha9344 on 6/12/14


Micha: Of course that's no more than YOUR DELUSIONAL OPINION in stark contrast to what the Bible actually says. Just who do you think you are to place your opinions above the word of God?
---Leon on 6/12/14


My next question is, why is this important? Why is it important to call them reparations? How is this going to help me as a Christian? If there is a really good reason, I am more willing to accept it.
---love.jesus on 6/12/14


The gold and silver given to Israel had nothing to do with compensation (for lost wages/time?) nor reparation (damages/injustice?).
/Did not monetary compensation to the Israelites help to repair (RESTORE) the nation's economy?!\
No. The gold and silver were used for the ark, tabernacle, and everything inside.
/his(Jacob's) descendants had become DIRT POOR.\-Leon on 6/12/14
Really?!
They still had their homes in Goshen, cattle, and fields. That is a lot more than Egypt had by the Exodus.
Wealth is not always considered monetarily, but that is all that Egypt had left to give the One True God.
I would consider it more a peace offering, as in "please leave us in peace."
---micha9344 on 6/12/14


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Cliff: Did not monetary compensation to the Israelites help to repair (RESTORE) the nation's economy?! When Jacob & family came into Egypt he was a wealthy man. But because of the imposition of slavery upon them, his descendants had become DIRT POOR.

Did not God defeat the Egyptians & cause them to "ante-up" compensatory payment for damages to His chosen people? (Exodus 12:36)

HUH ~ NO REPARATION?! FOR REAL?!!! If you believe that, your mind must be drifting aimlessly in a log jam down the river DENIAL!!! :D
---Leon on 6/12/14


\\The Bible shows from age-to-age mankind has been able to "freely choose" & believe any way we want, right (WORD) or wrong (OPINION)...\\

If it makes you feel good to think that the Hebrews were paid reparations by the Egyptians, why you just go on ahead, Leon.

I will continue to disagree. And I'm not the only one who does.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/12/14


Luke: I've never at any time asked you CN bloggers for your opinions on any given subject. I've always sought Bible-based truth from my fellow bloggers. Afterall, this is "supposed to be" a christian blog site. I do however understand not all CN bloggers are christian & some are unfortunately deceived, i.e., christian in name only (rooted & grounded in self-aggrandizing WHORL OPINIONS/RELIGION based on a serpent inspired finite-intellectuality) ~ not the infinite WORD OF GOD as recorded in Scripture.

God has set the stage! The Bible shows from age-to-age mankind has been able to "freely choose" & believe any way we want, right (WORD) or wrong (OPINION)...
---Leon on 6/12/14


The root word for reparation is "repair"
Usually a defeated nation having to "ante-up" for the damage done.
Is this the case of the Israelites?
The Egyptians were so happy to be rid of them and their plagues that they said "take what you want but just GO ".
No reparation here!
---1st_cliff on 6/11/14


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I guess my question would be, why is it necessary to call them reparations? Repatations are paid by people who believe they themselves have been guilty of wrongdoing. Should we think the Egyptians believed they had been guilty of wrongdoing?
---love.jesus on 6/12/14


//Luke: Do you also agree with Cluny's reparations views regarding the children of Israel? If so, please say so instead of taking the passive aggressive route here. Does his comments square with Scripture?//

Leon,
I agree that Cluny has an opinion and he gave it. Love also gave an opinion and you answered differently to her. First of all you should have checked what the definition for "reparation's" means. To some it means something other then what you believe it means. Cluny deserves a respectful answer, just like everyone else does. If you do not agree why ask for their opinions? You took his answer as a "Black" answer, why? Agape
---Luke on 6/12/14


Does calling it "reparations" make it "reparations"?

I don't think so.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/14


"And the LORD had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. Thus they plundered the Egyptians. Ex.12:36

That [doesn't] sound like reparations to me..."
---love.jesus on 6/8/14

Ordinarily "plundering" would be a bad thing, e.g., the violent or dishonest acquisition (stealing) of property. But, by the divine intervention & approval of the LORD, that wasn't the case:

"And the LORD gave the people such favor in the Egyptians' sight that THEY GAVE them what they requested. In this way they plundered [took from] the Egyptians." (Ex. 12:36, Holman Christian Standard Bible)

Reparations? YES!!!
---Leon on 6/8/14
---Leon on 6/11/14


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No, Leon, I was NOT trying to direct the conversation to the topic of black activism of 50 years ago.

I was trying to explain why I asked your motivation for your question.

Now, where did you get the idea that the Israelites WERE given reparations by the Egyptians? You don't actually think they did get them, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/11/14


Luke: Do you also agree with Cluny's reparations views regarding the children of Israel? If so, please say so instead of taking the passive aggressive route here. Does his comments square with Scripture?

Let's stick with the real blog topic, not Cluny's sneaky attempt to misdirect the conversation in the direction of black activist in the 60s...

I'm willing to hear others opinions, but I'm not the least bit impressed with many. Likewise, I'm certain CN bloggers aren't, & shouldn't be, overly fixated on mine. I sincerely hope we'll all earnestly give an ear (necessarily both ears) to what God says to us by His word contained in the Bible.

It's about God's truth, not our opinions! Especially not Cluny's. :D
---Leon on 6/11/14


Dear Samuel,
I agree with what you said concerning Cluny. I do not like he gets all up tight when it comes to spelling, but in the case of the blog question, he did answer, and gave his opinion. Leon did not like his answer, and many times does not like the opinion of others, but he put up the blog, knowing that people are going to give their opinions. Sometimes when many are after some body, as has being the case with Cluny in many blogs, the others join in. I have seen this happen to a few people on line before, now it is Cluny. This should never happen here. We are to love each other. There was nothing wrong with his answers, at least not from my point of view as I read them. Agape
---Luke on 6/11/14


\\There's the rub: Cluny smugly opposes correction.\\

And just what have I said that was wrong and requires correction?

Are you DENYING that black activists of the 60's and 70's were demanding reparations for being descended from slaves?

If this is so--and it is--what's pompous about saying it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/10/14


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Samuel: It appears you're in veiled (hidden) agreement with Cluny regarding the blog subject of "reparation". :) Scripture proves Cluny is wrong regardless of his stand in the matter.

The answer I gave "really" was my answer to Cluny's pomposity. It's my observation that he's a tough nut to crack & is oftentimes disrespectful to CN bloggers. But, I don't consider him to be an enemy since he does confess Jesus Christ as Savior & Lord. Scripture says we're to not tolerate but rebuke one another when we err from the truth. Iron sharpens iron! There's the rub: Cluny smugly opposes correction.
---Leon on 6/10/14


OK thanks, Leon.
---love.jesus on 6/10/14


I didn't know it was pompous to state a historically verifiable fact.

But keep on blessing me, Leon.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/9/14


Leon, I think I have offended you. I apologize sincerely.
---love.jesus on 6/9/14

No offense taken, no apology necessary Love... I occasionally find drama to be a useful tool to make a point. :)
---Leon on 6/9/14


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Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous, love does not brag and is not arrogant, does not act unbecomingly, it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth, bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
---love.jesus on 6/9/14


Leon often when a person is wrong or has no proof of their belief when confronted and they have no answer they attack the person who pointed out they were wrong.

Cluny and I have disagreed many times. He has always been civil to me. I have not read where he was disrespectful here. But in your last post your answer was not a real answer it was just an attack on Cluny.

Christians are to love even their enemies.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/10/14


"...You asked me what I meant when I asked you to explain your question. Too bad you didn't like the answer, Leon.

But to answer your original posting, NO, the Israelites didn't get reparations from Egypt.

Did you think they did?"
---Cluny on 6/9/14


You are like a blind man who is sitting in a dark room & looking for a black cat that isn't there. You're pompous beyond belief Cluny. Never mind!
---Leon on 6/9/14


Leon, I think I have offended you. I apologize sincerely.
---love.jesus on 6/9/14


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\\ Wow Cluny! True to form, you have a way of speaking so ex cathedra. Please get over yourself & you'll be all the better for it. \\

You asked me what I meant when I asked you to explain your question. Too bad you didn't like the answer, Leon.

But to answer your original posting, NO, the Israelites didn't get reparations from Egypt.

Did you think they did?
---Cluny on 6/9/14


"...not a problem for me...call it whatever you like. It's a small matter.
---love.jesus on 6/9/14

Leon, the late 60's early 70's there were black activists claiming that since the Hebrews were given "reparations" when they left Egypt (which they were not), and their ancestors didn't get reparations at the end of the Civil War, that they deserved to receive them at that time. Periodically it gets dragged up....
---Cluny on 6/8/14


Love...: Gee, that's awfully

big

of you! :)

Wow Cluny! True to form, you have a way of speaking so ex cathedra. Please get over yourself & you'll be all the better for it. This pertains to what "the Bible" (not you, me or anyone else) opine!
---Leon on 6/9/14


GOD allowing individuals to give money to the Hebrews to get rid of them is not the same as reparations.

I believe the debt for slavery was payed in full by the over 300,000 Union solders who died in the war. As well as the similar number of southern soldiers who died as well as the destruction of the Southern economy and massive loss of wealth which resulted in poverty for the south for decades.

What is required today is that each individual must earn their living by the sweat of their brow and the work of their hands.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/9/14


Leon, it's not a problem for me. You call it whatever you like. It's a small matter.
---love.jesus on 6/9/14


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Leon, the late 60's early 70's there were black activists claiming that since the Hebrews were given "reparations" when they left Egypt (which they were not), and their ancestors didn't get reparations at the end of the Civil War, that they deserved to receive them at that time.

Periodically it gets dragged up.

Happy Pentecost!
---Cluny on 6/8/14


"And the LORD had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. Thus they plundered the Egyptians. Ex.12:36

That [doesn't] sound like reparations to me..."
---love.jesus on 6/8/14


Ordinarily "plundering" would be a bad thing, e.g., the violent or dishonest acquisition (stealing) of property. But, by the divine intervention & approval of the LORD, that wasn't the case:

"And the LORD gave the people such favor in the Egyptians' sight that THEY GAVE them what they requested. In this way they plundered [took from] the Egyptians." (Ex. 12:36, Holman Christian Standard Bible)

Reparations? YES!!!
---Leon on 6/8/14


>"Did the children of Israel get reparations after being enslaved in Egypt?"
Yes, in the sense of being "restored to a good condition" financially.
---josef on 6/8/14


And the LORD had given the people favor in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. Thus they plundered the Egyptians. Ex.12:36

That does not sound like reparations to me. But if you want to call it that, I don't mind.
---love.jesus on 6/8/14


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Yes, they used the gold to make the calf image while Moses was up on the mountain conversing with God!
---1st_cliff on 6/8/14


By giving the Israelites favour, did not the Lord authorize a monetary reparation for 210 years of slavery in Egypt? (Ex. 12:30-35)

Don't let your thoughts on the matter drift aimlessly down the river Denial Love... :)
---Leon on 6/8/14


reparation /rep ra SHn/ noun - the making of amends for a wrong one has done, by paying money to or otherwise helping those who have been wronged.

By this definition, they did not.
---love.jesus on 6/7/14


They asked for, and received, various things BEFORE leaving.
---Rita_H on 6/8/14


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What is the purpose of my question? Well, I thought it was a good question to ask. What is the purpose of your asking the purpose of my question? :)
---Leon on 6/7/14


Not afterwards, but according to Exodus, they asked their Egyptian neighbors for gold and jewels and received them.

These went into building the Tabernacle and its appointments.

What is the purpose of your question?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/7/14


I should've phrased the question: Did the Children of Israel get reparations after they were freed from slavery in Egypt?
---Leon on 6/7/14


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