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God's Way Of Punishing

Do you believe that, in this age, God punished people through ill health?

I'm thinking of people who step out of His Way and begin to live how they lived before they were saved (or maybe even worse than before) rather than discussing non-believers.

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God allows consequences, thru our choices, to take place for our wrong as well as right actions. We reap consequential rewards for doing what's right before God & reap consequential punishments for doing things that displease God.

Ill health sometimes is the result of genetic predisposition. Other times poor health is the result of people choosing to live unhealthy lifestyle, e.g., poor eating habits ~ using drugs & alcohol ~ sexual promiscuity & perversion ~ worrying, complaining & angry all the time...
---Leon on 6/21/14

To 1stCliff All respect got to say you may be right...alot of MEAN People last for a long time!

Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14

Hello,Sis.Rita,all respect.I.was raised in the pentecostal church they believe exactly that way. If you stray or backslide a worser curse be it illness or some other bad thing will befall you!
I forget right now but it's a verse in new testament.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14

// I have noticed that sickness or other troubles tend to make people turn to the Lord more than unalloyed prosperity and success do.//
Sickness and death do get our attention
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. 7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
A trip to the woodshed always got my attention.
---michael_e on 6/21/14

Many years ago my Christian boss was asked by a young man "Does God punish sin with ill-health". He asked this in relation to Christians.

My boss answered that his belief was that God protects us whilst we are 'walking with Him' but when WE step away from Him He removes his hand of protection.

This could apply to things other than health issues of course. Just a thought.
---Rita_H on 6/21/14

Hello,Rita be truthfull,myself was really very insecure and felt lonely,so it wasn't hard for me,to in my mind I wanted the love of a man
back then in my heart I knew I was wrong,but yes in time,I believe if it had not been before even knowing
I had cancer, always lonely,moody
I did fall.into sexual addiction,like any addict,did not want to admit my,it wasn't hard quit going to church,etc..time passed learn more and more illnesses yes! I felt really ashamed before the Lord took time quit my relationship with a man,the rest you know. I am.glad God's mercy'forgiveness..healing mind and body,soul.
---Elena9555 on 6/20/14

Hi Cluny, I agree, I remember one night when I had the cancer and I was also in the hospital with a blood illness, I was sooooo scared, I was up reading Scripture in the middle of the night. If I hadn't been so sick, I would have just been sleeping, not reading Scripture, so in a way, my illness was beneficial to me that night.
---Mary on 6/19/14

While I don't believe God punishes people today with sickness (read Luke 13:1-4), I have noticed that sickness or other troubles tend to make people turn to the Lord more than unalloyed prosperity and success do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/14

I Cor 11:30 "For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, (God was already chastising them by taking away their health) and many sleep."
What does he mean? They had died. The Lord has the prerogative, if a true believer will not shape up, and continues to walk in known sin, God can take them, because He's not going let anybody drag His name through the mud. There are people who have made profession of salvation, they've probably been members of some church, and they're doing the same thing. And if the Lord doesn't chastise them, then Hebrews says they are not His children. Heb 12:5-8
So the Lord had been chastening the Corinthians (I Cor 11:30)
Much deeper than a physical wafer and cup.
---michael_e on 6/17/14

\\Micheal isn't verse telling us a lot about the word. How deadly it can be if not used for life.
---Bryan on 6/16/1\\

No. Wrong again, Bryan.

The passage is talking about Communion.

Though this brings up an interesting point.

If the elements of Communion are mere bread and wine when received, HOW can MERE bread and wine taken in this context make someone ill or even bring death?

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/17/14

I believe God can use illness as a correction to believers and possibly unbelievers. However, I do not believe God "punishes" anyone in the present life. Consequences yes, but not punishment.

I believe we confuse consequences with punishment from God.

If I drive erratically and with excessive speed, getting into an accident is a consequence of my driving not a punishment from God.

If I overeat, consume too many sweets, and over time get diabetes, it is a consequence of my eating not a punishment from God.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/14

//I'm thinking of people who step out of His Way and begin to live how they lived before they were saved (or maybe even worse than before) rather than discussing non-believers.//

There is not one genuine believer in the category you mentioned above. For all are changed by God when He draws them to Himself and makes them spiritually alive. Their hearts are changed. And the Spirit of God is now them is their teacher. If those people you mentioned are now living worse then before they claimed to be saved, they were never changed by God. Agape
---Luke on 6/17/14

Micheal isn't verse telling us a lot about the word. How deadly it can be if not used for life.
---Bryan on 6/16/14

1 Cor 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep
---michael_e on 6/16/14

I think that some of you have misunderstood what I asked originally. Please re-read it.

Nowhere do I say (or suggest) that ALL ill health could be punishment for wrong doing. Nor were the two people on the bus suggesting that.

This has nothing to do with babies being born sick or anything like that.

Please read questions carefully and the follow up information that questioners give. That way there would be far less misunderstanding on Christianet.
---Rita_H on 6/16/14

1st Cliff on - 6/15/14 - Punishing people through ill health is more superstition than Fact ------> ?

2 Chronicles 2:14 - Behold with a great plaque will the Lord smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods,
2 Chronicles 2:15 - And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until bowels fall out by reason of the sickness day by day,
---RICHARDC on 6/16/14

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//Do you believe that, in this age, God punished people through ill health//

Dear Rita,
I am a believer in the Sovereignty of God, and that includes Him being in control of all things. In Him we live, move and have our being. Without Him we cannot take our next breath. He is also the restrainer of sin. Consider God's power in preservation. No creature has power to preserve itself. Both man and beast would perish if it was not for God. Therefore God is called the preserver of "man and beast" (Psalm 36:6).
God has being in control of all things throughout history, not just in this age. Agape
---Luke on 6/16/14

Rita_H: It is in line with God's word that HE will punish the disobedient & backslider with many things including sicknesses or ill health Lev.26. Deut.28. These instructions are not time-limited & are still applicable today. Remember if God still blesses the obedient, then HE still punishes the disobedient.
---Adetunji on 6/16/14

Punishing people through ill health is more superstition than fact !
---1st_cliff on 6/15/14

\\Jesus said I will be with you in word and power.
---Bryan on 6/15/14\\

And where exactly did Jesus say this? BCV, please.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/14

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Defeat is not a punishment. In this life you will have tribulation. But what does Jesus say "learn to live in your defeat?" He is ever clear be of good cheer I have over come world. Us the word for life. Jesus said I will be with you in word and power.
---Bryan on 6/15/14

rita, when God deals with us lowly humans and we keep ignoring Him and keep ignoring Him, there is a line we can cross. we don't know what that line is and we don't know how long God will deal with us. I think there is a point where God stops dealing with a person and we know we are not saved without conviction. back in 1994, God dealt with my husband and he slid out of the pew and I thought praise the Lord, he's going to be saved but instead he scooted out the side door. God did not deal with him again. my prayer everyday was God please deal with my husband and it took until 2004 and God dealt with him again. He got saved feb 25 2004. 10 days later our daughter died.
---shira4368 on 6/15/14

Yes Shira, that is found in 1 John 5:16-17. It is difficult to find any information on those verses and, as with all things, 'opinions' vary. We are told not to add to God's Word but Luke 13:3-5 might be indicating that those who backslide, to the point where they will no longer repent, might be lost (perish).

How do you feel about those verses?
---Rita_H on 6/15/14

Rita, there is a sin unto death but we don't know what that sin is. I can't remember where it's but it's in New Testament.
---shira4368 on 6/15/14

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I asked this question because of a conversation I overheard, on a bus, a few days ago.

I thought I'd throw it to the wolves here and see what you'd all make of it.

---Rita_H on 6/15/14

Bryan, do you know who THE WORD IS? So why not say Christ in you? Scripture tells us the only way Christ can be IN YOU is to first be baptized into his death,and then you are raised up a New creature IN Christ, and He in you. Paul clearly tells us the MYSTERY KEPT SECRET, but now revealed, is Christ in you. Colossians 1:24-27.

Now the hope of Glory, and being changed from Glory to Glory....2Cor 3, is ALL the Work of God, that comes to us through our identification with Jesus Christ in death and resurrection life. Heb 2 says...."in bringing many sons into GLORY. "

My glorified body only will be perfect.

Bryan, do you have ANY defects? Any whatsoever? Crooked teeth maybe? Have you ever had a cavity?
---kathr4453 on 6/15/14

The word has punishment in it death. That same word has life. If your talking corrrection of or by God that is accomplished by God's word the same word if your not sowing it for life what are you sowing it for? All power is in the word everything is done by the word blessing by the word correction by the same word. Not sickness, not dieases, that is not punishment.
---Bryan on 6/14/14

God does not punish people with ill health. That sounds so schizophrenic God is not schizophrenic. Why would a God give his power and then turn around and make you sick for using it or not using it?
---Bryan on 6/14/14

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Matthew 5:45 - That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun rise on the evil and on the Good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust,
---RICHARDC on 6/14/14

Many people fear/resent/shun God's reproach when He has decided to teach them error of THEIR way (it's not PUNISHMENT, IT's REPROOF (proving what is right).

Many people also worship Him with 'lip service' and treat Him like their own personal genie (daddy, give me this and give me that). Instead of LETTING GOD MAKE THE DECISIONS of what we should have, they "WANT" and they also use God as a 'talisman' (spiritual tool) to get someone healed.

Let GOD be your shepherd ("I shall not WANT").

We have been TAUGHT the attitude of fearing God (as a ROUTINE attitude..."rote").

1 John 4:18 "fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected...".
---faithforfaith on 6/14/14

" You say God's word does not return void."

Do I?

Are you sure that you are answering the question that I asked here Bryan? I don't see those words in my question.
---Rita_H on 6/14/14

Little children get sick and die of cancer sometimes. Who is being punished?
---love.jesus on 6/14/14

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"Do you believe that, in this age, God punished people through ill health?" No.
---Josef on 6/14/14

How do you believe God punishes people? We're not talking judgment but punishment right. You have the word of God inside of you, how you sow it is how it will produce in you. The word can produce life or the word can produce death. You say God's word does not return void. Then make sure you only sow it for life. All the apostles and Jesus himself said share the Gospel. The Goodness of God.
---Bryan on 6/14/14

Read Luke 13:1-5.

Even believers suffer from ill health and other trials and sorrows.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/14/14

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