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War Against Christians Begun

Christian persecution has doubled in 2013. Even the war between the U.S. government and christians is escalating. A developing war is now brewing between denominational christians and true christians (Satan surely knows the difference). Your thoughts?

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Bogus argument, Jed, and you know it. This right wing, conservative court ruled that this is the law. That's how it works in this country.

You choose not to believe it, fine, so what? In this case you are wrong. Wanna try again?
---NurseRobert on 6/26/14


who are the DENOMINATIONAL & TRUE CHRISTIANS?
---mike on 6/26/14

Here am I. I attend a denominational church and am willing to declare to the world my faith, following, devotion, and surrender to the one and only true God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

What is it that you ask of me? That my faith or walk is true? What proof do you seek? How about proof according to the Bible? "You will know them by their fruit" Matthew 7:16.

By love, I have a homeless couple and son living with me and my wife. By selflessness, I conduct 12 Step meetings and sponsor addicts wanting to be free from addiction. By character, working on patience, self-control, and procrastination.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/27/14


NurseRoberts, Are you referring to the same SCOTUS that ruled that slavery is constitutional? And that segregation is constitutional? The same SCOTUS that said it was constitutional to round up innocent citizens and imprison them in concentration camps during WWII for no other reason than that they were Japanese Americans? You mean that great infallible, always right SCOTUS? The same SCOTUS that has had more of it's rulings overturned than not? That same SCOTUS?
---Jed on 6/26/14


Hate and anger, hate and anger, their doing it wrong, no their not believing the right way. Read Galatians 6:7 then read it again. Then see what you have sown. Not Jesus but hate and anger. That doesn't set captive free it will only make your life harder. Want this course to chance? Galatians 6:7 try sowing the Gospel reap the Gospel it works miracles.
---Bryan on 6/26/14


\\islam & christians (catholics incd)
---mike on 6/26/14
\\

How can a mahometan be a true Christian?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/14




Jed, SCOTUS has ruled there are limitations to free speech. Incitement, when it is used to to "incite or producing imminent lawless action." Use of fighting words, (Caplinsky v. New Hampshire). Restrictions are placed on military members, prisoners, and even TV (ask George Carlin).

SCOTUS also held the Second Amendment right is not unlimited, (District of Columbia v. Heller ) that the Federal government may enact some restrictions on firearms possession, such as: prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons, possession by felons and the mentally ill, possession in schools or government buildings, the conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms, possession of dangerous and unusual weapons (e.g., machine guns).
---NurseRobert on 6/26/14


who are the DENOMINATIONAL & TRUE CHRISTIANS? catholics & those who base their faith on the bible? islam & christians (catholics incd)
---mike on 6/26/14



however, freedoms outlined in the 1st Amendment are not absolute. SCOTUS has ruled numerous times regarding when these rights can be suppressed.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/14


This is absolutely incorrect. Constitutional rights are absolute, otherwise, no rights could be guaranteed. This explains why you think it's okay for the second amendment to be infringed also. You don't think it's absolute.
---Jed on 6/26/14


Elder, I agree 100%. Everyone, including atheists, have the right to practice or not practice any religion they so choose. However, they do NOT have the right to non-exposure to other people's religions. Because that would be an infringement upon those other people's religious freedoms. A religion-free environment can not be guaranteed without trampling on someone else's right to free religious expression. The only thing YOU can do if you don't like what someone else is saying, is to simply remove YOURSELF from that setting. But trying to have someone else removed or silenced to avoid being exposed to their religious beliefs is a violation of the constitution. YOU LEAVE if you don't like it.
---Jed on 6/26/14


Jerry, youre right, I was wrong in my statement. The 1st amendment only prevents the federal government from interfering, or establishing an national religion, however, freedoms outlined in the 1st Amendment are not absolute. SCOTUS has ruled numerous times regarding when these rights can be suppressed.

Jed, you do NOT have the right to worship anywhere you want at any time. You go into a private place of business and they have the right to toss you out. People also have the right, within those same guidelines, to not practice any religion, or to restrict your religion within their boundaries.
---NurseRobert on 6/26/14




"300 years ago, European Christians..."
StrongAxe

The difference is simple.

"300" years ago faith in Christ was offered not forced. No one had their head cut off because they refused to claim Christ.

Jed you are correct but many refuse the see the plain fact of what the 1st amendment/constitution guarantees. There are others who just don't want to see the plain facts.

Their religion is no religion. They have the right to practice their non-religion under the very same protection as any other person in the USA.


---Elder on 6/26/14


Robert: I know that it is difficult for left-wing statists like you to understand, but the US constitution does NOT regulate OUR behavior, but the Federal Government's. It prohibits the gov. from interfering in our religious lives entirely. It is not to give any religion pre-eminence (establish) over others or to interfere (prohibit) with our religious practices in any way.

Individual citizens CAN'T violate the Constitution because it doesn't restrict them. The gov. can and DOES violate the 1st amendment quite often, and the tyrants in office that do should be removed from office and punished.



---jerry6593 on 6/26/14



People have the right NOT to have religion in their life if they so choose. The first amendment guarantees it.

---NurseRobert on 6/25/14


Actually, no they don't. And that is exactly the opposite of what the 1st amendment guarantees. They are free not to PRACTICE religion if they so choose. but as long as there are other people in their life, they must accept that those other people have the right to freely and openly express their religion. The constitution guarantees it. The constitution does not guarantee a religion-free environment for anyone. And any attempt to create such an environment (outside of your own home) is a violation of the constitution.
---Jed on 6/25/14


shira4368:

You said: Muslims come to our country and want to change our beliefs.

300 years ago, European Christians came to this very same land, and wanted to change the beliefs of the people who already lived here. Please explain how one is different from the other. "Legitimate evangelism" and "religious persecution" can be exactly the same thing, viewed from opposite directions.
---StrongAxe on 6/25/14


One of the problems with freedom of religion is the fact athiest, Muslims, the Buddha bunch don't want freedom of religion. They want to quieten Christians. Athiest don't like our crosses, Muslims want us dead and Buddha has kept quiet for now. I wontx be quiet on this problem. Muslims come to our country and want to change our beliefs. I dare anyone to go to Iraq, Iran, Saudi, Egypt, Pakistan with your bible. Wow there goes your head.
---shira4368 on 6/25/14


And how is "freedom from religion" against the law?
---NurseRobert on 6/25/14

The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion, which is the opposite of freedom FROM religion. The two can never exist together because in order to ensure non-exposure to other people's religions, you must first restrict the freedom to openly and freely exercise religion, an act that the constitution specifically prohibits ("nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof"). There is possible way that you can be guaranteed non-exposure to my religious beliefs without my right to free religious expression being restricted.
---Jed on 6/25/14


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Samuel, I know of no one who gets mad when some one says God bless you. It would be a hard stretch to make that into a hate crime. Good try. Perhaps if you sneezed someone would say "Vishnu protect you". Would you get angry?

Was it a private park or was it government (town, city) controlled land? SCOTUS recently ruled that the 10 commandments in Oklahoma could stay, but it opened the city up the right of other religions to have their statues too (even a satinist one). Be careful what you wish for.

People have the right NOT to have religion in their life if they so choose. The first amendment guarantees it.
---NurseRobert on 6/25/14


the problem with freedom of religion is we have muslims who want to kill us, and atheist want our crosses torn down and budda hasn't done anything yet. why don't the muslims go to where their law is and stop trying to change ours. I guarantee if you went to a muslim country , wow there goes your headl
---shira4368 on 6/25/14


Dear NurseRoberts.

In the United States we have freedom of religion. You can practice any or no religion which does not break the law that you want too.

Freedom from Religion is a title used by a group that says people should not do anything religious that might hurt the sensibility of another person.

So saying GOD bless you when a person sneezes would be a hate crime. Since you do not know if they believe in GOD.

For instance they sued to have a religious statue that had been erected by private funds removed from a park since it offended them as atheists. They were denied. So they put in an Atheist bench raised with their own funds.

No one protested or got mad.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/25/14


Read the "Book of Martyrs" and you will be see that the persecution of Christians has not "just" began. It is a very hard book to read. Every page is full of heart wrenching stories of martyred Christians.
---KarenD on 6/25/14


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Jed, What laws are you saying persecute law abiding Christians? The laws against discrimination? The laws against polygamy, the laws against child brides?

Again, I have found that many Christians who claim persecution are not being persecuted, they are simply not getting their way.

And how is "freedom from religion" against the law?
---NurseRobert on 6/25/14


NurseRoberts, your comments are a bit confusing. I never once suggested that Christians should be allowed to break the law, or that they are being persecuted when they are punished for breaking the law. I believe in obeying the law. I'm talking about the persecution of law abiding Christians. I'm also talking about progressives who seek to unlawfully trample other citizens' freedom of religion (which is guaranteed by law), citing "freedom from religion" (which is against the law).
---Jed on 6/24/14


Jed do you not believe that Christians are to abide by the laws of the land? I found it interesting when Jody Hice (R-GA) says the 1st amendment doesn't apply to muslims. is this good Christian persecuting others?

I don't see expecting Christians to follow the law to be "persecution". I find a lot of what Christians call persecution is just them not getting their way.
---NurseRobert on 6/24/14


NurseRoberts, I see your point and I agree. The word "doubled" is a measurable amount and therefore justifies a need to cite sources. I apologize. I thought you were merely denying that Christians persecution is on the rise. If someone merely said "Christian persecution has increased", there would be no need for sources since that fact is self-evident. It could be more that double for all we know. But I find many progressives like to deny or excuse persecution against Christians and the trampling of individual freedoms by chocking it up as "separation of Church and State" or "freedom from religion" or "social justice".
---Jed on 6/23/14


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No, Jed, it can't. I have no doubt there is While I understand that there are Christians who are persecuted one cannot make a statement of fact, such as "it has doubled," without proof to back this up.

Has "persecution" doubled. Perhaps from someones perspective, it has. However, from many, it has not. I have found that many Christians enjoy playing the victim card.
---NurseRobert on 6/23/14


Before Jesus was born there was a war against him. satan tried to kill him before he was even born. Look satan used the king to kill all the first born males zero to about two. That is war.
---Bryan on 6/23/14



Persecution doubled? Exploded? Where are your sources? third time asking.

---NurseRobert on 6/22/14


Why should sources be required for such a statement? This can be easily observed with the naked eye by anyone who is aware of things around them. Demanding sources for this statement is like someone saying "fewer people spank their kids today than in the 1950s" and you demanding them to cite their sources. There would be no need. A person can easily figure that out by simply observing people around them and talking to other parents and children.
---Jed on 6/23/14


Persecution doubled? Exploded? Where are your sources? third time asking.
---NurseRobert on 6/22/14


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Steveng: I know your animus towards denominational churches, but they are not the problem. There is indeed an explosion of Christian persecution worldwide and in "free" America, but it comes not from the churches but rather two other groups - Muslims and Communists (Atheists).



---jerry6593 on 6/22/14


God knows there's a whole legion of obnoxious & self-righteous, in name only, pseudo-Christians out there who are hellbent on sabotaging & destroying the Church of Jesus Christ (WHEAT) from the inside out. These are the hellions (CHAFF) who claim they're being persecuted...
---Leon on 6/21/14


Hello,Shira4368,No.our church is a Lutherans church,but yes they got all races,nationalities in the church.
My daughter's the one got involved with sect of muslim type thing.
There are alot of middle eastern.in this city,I learned many are Christians and Catholic the ones down the street. They had an article here in the paper & the news the banks are dicriminate against middle eastern people.
I think the banks got an agenda against the elderly that's my own opinion. Love of Jesus!
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14


Shira4368,much respect in our church, they are Irish,North americans & Canadians,Southern people,one British, CanadianIndians,PuertoRicans,few Cubans,Mexicans,Germans,one Chinese,Black Americans,few Polish,
And Middle eastern.few of them.

.The Beauty is we all get along!
God is the reason. We honor Him for all He is doing in.our church.
---Elena9555 on 6/21/14


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Nurse Roberts, Cluny: I had actually posted a similar comment on June 18.

The persecution exists in some areas, yes, it does.

However, when we get into the idea that some matters of a church cannot be listed as tax exempt, and if it cannot, it is classed as 'persecuted' seems to me to be way overdoing.

We have not even seen evidence that the reason it cannot is specifically because of its beliefs - can we be given evidence that the reason these churches cant be listed as tax exempt is for a specific belief?
---Peter on 6/21/14


I've noticed that some people who are merely disagreed with or have mistakes pointed out claim they are being persecuted.

I've also noticed that those who make themselves obnoxious in the Name of Jesus and experience social disapproval try playing the persecution victim card.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/21/14


I think this blog posting is Crusader Rabbit type foolishness Steveng.
---Leon on 6/21/14


Elena, I hope you didn't go to a mosque.
---shira4368 on 6/21/14


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Hello,all respect Bro.Steveng' far as persecution,yes, suble ways here, but hard fact a Sudan woman imprisoned married a Christian man,her dad- muslim.

Nigeria, innocent children kidnapped from school
my prayers daily.

We're fortunate we can meet at all.

Thankfully,the Lord lead me to a good church,they are kind ,patient,not perfect but happy to know such kindness
everyone.is treated the same.

Thankfull to.God for His mercy and forgiveness towards me Bro.Steveng I didn't know what denomination.
one day I went to a baptism..
I was so happy didn't make no minds to me,they pray,they love they care about all peoples.even middle eastern people there,also very.kind.
God has us altogether for His glory!
---Elena9555 on 6/20/14


Steveng, Im repeating my question: you claim persecution has doubled in 2013. What is the basis of your statement?
---NurseRobert on 6/20/14


Maybe I should have been more specific - an organized, tax-exempt, religious group as in denominational churches. I was refering to kathr4453's (6/16/14) mention of "group."

---Steveng on 6/17/14

So is this war and persecution between the tax exempt. Does your neighborhood group pay taxes? And how much of your incomes go to missions, and community needs? And do you itemize, tax exempt these from your taxes?
---kathr4453 on 6/20/14


steveng:

You said: A developing war is now brewing between denominational christians and true christians (Satan surely knows the difference). Your thoughts?

There has always been a war between true Christians and false ones. But there are both wheat (true Christians) and tares (false Christians) within denominations and outside them. If it were merely a matter of "inside=false", they would be easy to tell apart - and Jesus himself said that they would not be easy to separate in this life, only at the final judgment.
---StrongAxe on 6/18/14


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The initial blog posting makes many statements, in particular the US government and differences between churches, that no-one has been willing to provide any evidence of.

Can someone?

Or does the statement of 'war' by the US government by Steveng just mean he does not like the US government.

Or the denomination churches really mean he has found some where he dislikes their preaching and call that a war as well.
---Peter on 6/18/14


\\Maybe I should have been more specific - an organized, tax-exempt, religious group as in denominational churches. I was refering to kathr4453's (6/16/14) mention of "group."\\

But not all denominations are organized as 501c3 corporations, Samuelg.

Yours, for example, is not.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/18/14


Yes, I surely do have a group of christian friends, neighbors that meet every day. We know each other intimately. When one strays, we are all are helpful for that person to get back on the path towards the kingdom...
---Steveng on 6/17/14

This sounds like the definition of a church. This is how many churches start, with believing neighbors supporting neighbors. Organization will happen when the group gets larger.

You mentioned tax-exemption which rarely is mentioned when asking for a definition of a church. Is this where your disgust for denominational churches lies?

You also mentioned the "watered-down" gospel of denominational churches. How can you know what my church preaches, have you attended?
---Mark_Eaton on 6/18/14


Thank you Samuel. What we do know too is they are not fighting and killing each other. Correct Cluny. There are more groups and many may want to read up on Christians in the Middle East. Before Islam 20% of the population was Christian! compared to a 5% now, for various reasons including persecution.

Christians aren't killing Christians there and denominations are not killing each other. So we know who is doing the killing and persecuting. They are even killing their own, who are not Christians. I wonder how many islam's are being persecuted and murdered by their own.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/14


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Mark_Eaton: "Was Jesus a lone wolf or did He have a group? Were the Apostles lone wolves or did they have groups?"

Maybe I should have been more specific - an organized, tax-exempt, religious group as in denominational churches. I was refering to kathr4453's (6/16/14) mention of "group."

Yes, I surely do have a group of christian friends, neighbors that meet every day. We know each other intimately. When one strays, we are all are helpful for that person to get back on the path towards the kingdom. We abide by the Word of God only and not the watered down gospel of organized, denominational churches.
---Steveng on 6/17/14


\\The Melkite Greek Catholic Church. . over 750,000 reside in the Middle East
The Armenian Catholic Church. . . has over 50,000 members, in the Middle East
The Chaldean Catholic Church. . . has almost 300,000 members residing in the Middle East.
The Coptic Catholic Church's almost 164,000 members are in Egypt.
The Syrian Catholic Church 140,000 are in Syria, Iraq, and Leba\\

All of these have a non-Catholic equivalent, too.

The only Eastern church that does not is the Maronite Church.

Glory to Jesus Christ!!
---Cluny on 6/17/14


Thank you Kathyr

Many do not realize that these Christians are hated for just being Christians and no one cares if they are different denominations. They are our brothers and sisters in Christ and we should pray and help them as best we can.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/14


The double persecution since 2013 StevenG speaks of, is concerning the Middle East. These are denominations StevenG.

The Maronite Catholic Church. . . Middle East around 3 million members
The Melkite Greek Catholic Church. . over 750,000 reside in the Middle East
The Armenian Catholic Church. . . has over 50,000 members, in the Middle East
The Chaldean Catholic Church. . . has almost 300,000 members residing in the Middle East.
The Coptic Catholic Church's almost 164,000 members are in Egypt.
The Syrian Catholic Church 140,000 are in Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon. . .

The Roman Catholic Church (Latin Rite). . . in the Middle East, at nearly 2.7 million members.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/14


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I don't belong to any group...Christianity is lifestyle of love upon which all the laws of God hang upon.
---Steveng on 6/16/14

Wow. Was Jesus a lone wolf or did He have a group? Were the Apostles lone wolves or did they have groups?

As Scripture tells us, we need relationships to exhort, correct, disciple, and simply keep us in line and to help each other.

Our God is a God of relationship. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All individual but totally together.

You need to get over this resentment at denominations and find a church home. You are a sitting duck for our adversary. Roaring lions like defenseless prey all alone and by themselves.
---Mark_Eaton on 6/17/14


And in Jesus's time, the definition of church is different from yours, Steveng.

And you are STILL in a denomination.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/14


Steven, I think most of us are aware that we are the Church, not the church building we meet in. In your philosophy how do you interpret "and let us consider how to stimulate one another to love and good deeds, not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the day drawing near" Hebrews 10:24,25.
---Warwick on 6/17/14


Sin and Goodness can never be one. One day the only good God will absolutely eradicate all the wrong/sin/bad. God created hell for all His stiff necked created beings like Satan,demons, people who will never repent their sin while on earth. There is an existing religion called Jehovah Witness that eradicated the teaching of hell. For them there's no hell. Be wary and save yourself from the final wrath of God who is now nearer...until Jesus Christ the Lord returns for the second time on earth. Ask the Lord to give you faith in His only Son Jesus and save yourself from the eternal punishment. Mock this truth that reminds you now, ignored it, forget it (Proverbs 1:20-33)then cry out without end when you send yourself in hell.
---Lanie on 6/17/14


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Steveng, you claim persecution has doubled in 2013. What is the basis of your statement?
---NurseRobert on 6/17/14


//Christianity is lifestyle of love upon which all the laws of God hang upon.//

Then why don't you look for love instead of hate and evil.
---Scott1 on 6/17/14


Steveng, I meant you following another. Follow Jesus and you will find yourself seated with Him in heavenly Places far above powers and principalities of this world.

Anyway, can you show me a verse we are to meet "daily"? I seem to have overlooked that verse.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/14


Steven,
The meaning of what a "church" means is how you use it. As you know, church, has different meanings. It means the individuals, the place where we meet as believers, and the genuine body of Christ. You use the meaning you want to trash the denominations. As I said before, as Christians we should be helping others, never talking bad about our brothers and sisters who attend many different gatherings whether in a building or park or someone house. Christians do that, why have you not done that? Agape.
---Luke on 6/17/14


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Happening while the Apostles was doing The Lords Acts 2 v 38 Church business. Then a number of yrs latr the roman leaders with the crusades to martyr the early Church saints. So the devil can have his churches, the trinity in Rev.17 vs 4 5 6.
---Lawrence on 6/17/14


KarenD: "Steveng....Do you even attend church? "

The meaning of church today is a whole lot different than it was in Jesus' time. Christians ARE the church not some building or denominational church.


kathr4453: "your obsession is a reminder of Jim Jones..."

I don't have anyone fallowing me only to set their eyes on Jesus - and we meet daily as commanded in the bible.

kathr4453: "I pray you will break away from whatever group you have attached yourself to..."

I don't belong to any group. Christianity is lifestyle of love upon which all the laws of God hang upon.
---Steveng on 6/16/14


\\Although there is nothing new under the sun, have you not read that events are behaving exactly like Jesus said they would, increasing in frequency and intensity like "birth pangs".?\\

I've been hearing that the Apocalypse is just around the corner as long as I've been alive, and I'm nearly 64.

Jesus will get here when He gets here, and He will take care of everything.

In the meantime, in His own words, "Occupy until I come."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/16/14


Steven, the denominational church I attend(definitely not liberal) is not at war with anyone. We do claim we have good Biblical teaching but we do not consider ourselves, or our pastor better than others.

The only disagreement we have with some churches is because they do not consider the Bible to be God's word. But still no war!

Many of my friends attend different denominations and we are in Biblical harmony, and have been so for decades.

I am well aware of the atrocities committed in the name of God but are you suggesting they did such evil things by following God's word?
---Warwick on 6/16/14


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Steven,
My thoughts are that you try to find fault in all denominations no matter what they teach, only because you do not belong to one. And you try to make a point of that on almost all your answers. As I said before, you need to look at the good things in people, we already know about the bad things in people, the Bible mentions them all the time. You should be edifying the brothers and sisters, instead of condemning them. As many have mentioned already, genuine believers come from all corners of the world, God knows who they are, and none will be lost. You need to put your faith in the promises of God and not the false promises of man, Agape
---Luke on 6/16/14


Steveng, your obsession is a reminder of Jim Jones. How was he able to separate so many people and lure them away, filling their heads with such fear of government etc, that he had this control over them to end their lives?

I pray you will break away from whatever group you have attached yourself to, and spend one year ALONE with The Lord, and set your mind on things ABOVE AND NOT BELOW, as we are instructed to do, before you find yourself lured away living in some underground bunker.

This mindset alone shows your own disobedience in not obeying the above verse, and should be a warning to all.

TRUE CHRISTIANS's Minds and hearts are KEPT in perfect peace, as we share the "hope of the Gospel" to all.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/14


steveng, where do you come up with this sort of stuff? if one is saved, they are Christian. so if they are Baptist then they aren't truly saved??? we are driven underground?? I know satan is on a rampage but there are many denominations that are Christian. all one needs to do is be born of the spirit. you know that as much as I do. everyone don't see things like you do. I have friends of other denominations and they are born again believers and if satan and his minions drive Christians underground, I will be right there with them.
---shira4368 on 6/15/14


Stephen, settle down. I am a believer in Jesus and covered by His love. I'm not worried at all. I am living in the present time and making the best of it as a Christian. Whatever happens in the future is in God's hands, so I can rest assured that I will be okay. Too many Christians live in fear, and try to instill fear in others.
---love.jesus on 6/15/14


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love.jesus, are you one of those end-time mockers saying, "all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."?

Although there is nothing new under the sun, have you not read that events are behaving exactly like Jesus said they would, increasing in frequency and intensity like "birth pangs".? (e.g., when, in the history of the world, has mankind created a weapon that can completely destroy the world ten times over?

Satan knows that he has only a short time left and will wreak havoc to God's creation like no other time in history. He will use every device he has used in the past within a few short years.
---Steveng on 6/15/14


\\Cluny, define denominational christian.
---Steveng on 6/15/14\\

Everybody who is NOT Orthodox, including you, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/14


"Your thoughts?" The first thought that comes to mind is, "You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled, for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet....All these are the beginnings of sorrows." Mat 24:6,8
---josef on 6/15/14


Cluny, define denominational christian.
---Steveng on 6/15/14


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True Christians are spread out amongst the various denominations. All denominational churches have Christians and church-goers attending services within their walls. The true Christians know those who are not but those who are not are unaware that they are not BUT there is no war going on between them - just one group praying for the salvation of the others. However, Satan knows his own and it is with him that we have the battle for the souls of the others.
---Rita_H on 6/15/14


love.jesus, are you one of those end-time mockers saying, "all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation."?

Although there is nothing new under the sun, have you not read that events are behaving exactly like Jesus said they would, increasing in frequency and intensity like "birth pangs".? (e.g., when, in the history of the world, has mankind created a weapon that can completely destroy the world ten times over?)

Satan knows that he has only a short time left and will wreak havoc to God's creation like no other time in history. He will use every device he has used in the past within a few short years.
---Steveng on 6/15/14


Steveng....Do you even attend church?
---KarenD on 6/15/14


Warwick: "I do not know one denominational Christian who is warring against what you call "true Christians." "

Denominational christians bicker among themselves, even within the same denomination, saying the have the best pastor, the best entertainment, the best programs. Today's denominational churches are warring against true believers thinking they do God's service. (John 16"2,3)

Have you not studied past religious wars against christians who did not conform to their ideology? (e.g., the Inquistion of the RCC, the Crusades, the Spanish Reconquista, the Ottoman wars.)

True believers will be driven underground by your liberal denominational churches.
---Steveng on 6/15/14


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Don't forget, YOU are a denominational Christian, too, Steveng.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/15/14


Stephen, the preachers were saying this sixty years ago when I was a kid. There's nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:9
---love.jesus on 6/15/14


Steven you sure have an unbalanced attitude towards denominational Christians. I attend a denomination and consider myself, and am considered, a true Bible believing Christian. Therefore your comments are judgemental, rude and ignorant. I think you need help.

I do not know one denominational Christian who is warring against what you call "true Christians."

These are my thoughts!
---Warwick on 6/15/14


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