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A catholic priest refused to perform exorcism on three teens because they were not regular churchgoers. Your thoughts?

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Dear Cluny,
I do not know if Bryan needs deliverance or not but he sure needs to be disciple. He reminds me of someone who committed his life to Christ at one time, but was never disciple by someone who was mature in the Word of God.
When he speaks he speaks from his heart making up words as he goes along. Sounds a lot like the Word of Faith teachers. They make up words not found in the Bible but sound very religious. The W.O.F teachers see God while in the toilet. And then tell you what He said. Scary stuff. But I still believe his heart has good intentions. He needs a good teacher. Agape
---Luke on 7/7/14


Luke, I've come to the conclusion that Bryan is being misled by a religious spirit which gets him to say things that sound like they are from the Bible, but are not, such as "word written on the wings of eagles" or "blood of the word", which expression he has used elsewhere.

He really needs deliverance.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/14


Luke what is the first parsble Jesus taught? And do you understand it?
---Bryan on 7/6/14


//I need help your, funny. I've been given to know the mysteries of the kingom of Heaven not by you not by your religion but by Jesus if you follow him and you are his disciple.//

Bryan,
If you have being given the mysteries of the kingdom, why are you giving us false statements? Are you trying to deceive the elect? You say other can do that. But you are wrong, the elect cannot be deceived because they don't listen to the voice of strangers, and you are a stranger to us because you have being correct over and over. Study to be approved, to give a reason why you are to be believed. Right now it is not working. Agape
---Luke on 7/5/14


I need help your, funny. I've been given to know the mysteries of the kingom of Heaven not by you not by your religion but by Jesus if you follow him and you are his disciple. Guess what you get to know. Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 8. If Jesus was just talking salvation he would have said mystery but he said "mysteries" if you don't want to believe in the power of God just say you don't believe in the Gospel. It is the only thing that sets people free. You read the scriptures were your not good enough, and you tell people the same. I read the scripture and see the victory I have in Jesus and I tell people they have the same Jesus. He gave his word so the world could be saved.
---Bryan on 7/4/14




Dear Bryan,
I concluded you are a very honest individual who loves the Lord, but who does not know much about Scripture. Your passion is great, but if you are going to teach the gospel to others, you have to know the truth. Only the Truth works. You can have all the passion in the world but if you do not have the truth, nothing will work. The Word of God (Scripture) will set you free. Jesus is the Word of God, the gospel is about the Word of God.
There is many individual like you that love the Lord, sing, talk about Him to others, but were never disciple. Sometimes they don't want to know more about God. All they care about is being happy with the joy they now have. You do need help if you want to preach the gospel. Agape
---Luke on 7/4/14


John 3. Ephesian 4. Hebrews 2:14 this is only a few places that talk about Jesus becoming as a man. With the full power of a man born of spirit. Filled with the spirit and power of God. Just as any of us can be. I have no trouble sharing the Gospel again it sets people free and who the son sets free is free indeed.
---Bryan on 7/3/14


Thank you, Cluny.
I haven't studied up on this viewpoint yet, therefore haven't known which heresy it was that has been rejected for almost 2 millennia.
There truly is nothing new under the sun.
---micha9344 on 7/3/14


\\This view of yours, Bryan, is getting very close to some of the early heresies.\\

No, it IS the early heresies of Docetism and classical Nestorianism as the heresiarch actually taught it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/14


Bryan, I'm not sure who is teaching you scripture but you are saying some very 'unusual' things here on Christianet. e.g. "He had to give up his place in heaven to save us.". So where do you think He went if He gave up His place in Heaven?

There is a hymn which begins:- Thou didst leave Thy throne and Thy kingly crown when Thou camest to earth for me.

Notice, it says 'leave' not 'gave up'. I left my parents home to go to college but I did not give up that home. After the appropriate time, I returned to it. That is what Jesus did:- He left Heaven for a season and when His work here was done He returned to 'His place in Heaven'.
---Rita_H on 7/3/14




\\I never said he wasn't God. \\

++He had to stop being God just so man could kill him... ...
---Bryan on 6/30/14++

^^He had to give up. To die, HE HAD TO STOP BEING GOD in order to be crucified on the cross for us. ...
---Bryan on 6/14/14^^

It's very difficult to have a conversation with a man who says one thing one minute and then denies he ever said it the next.

The Lord rebuke you, Bryan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/14


\\Did not say no great love than a God lay down his life?\\

As a matter of fact, Jesus NEVER said that.

What He said was, "No greater love can a man have than to lay down his life for his friends."

Just one more example of how you misquote the Bible and give your own words, Bryan.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/3/14


Were did Jesus get his power?-Bryan on 7/2/14
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
The Word, Power, Truth and Wisdom of God does not cease.
Jesus never stopped being the Father's Son.
A car never stops being a car when you turn it off.
This view of yours, Bryan, is getting very close to some of the early heresies.
I'm sure Cluny can enlighten us on that.
---micha9344 on 7/3/14


How can I explain it to you. I never said he wasn't God. If a car is running and you turn It off did It stop being a car? It become 2500lb paper weight?. What did he say right before he died? Father way have you forsaken me. Were did Jesus get his power? Remember he gave up his place in heaven for us. He became a man he lived as a man and he died as a man. The word of God became flesh. You can kill a man on the earth but you can't kill God on the earth. There is nothing here that can hurt him. He had to give up his place in heaven to save us. Not great love than a man lay down his life. Did not say no great love than a God lay down his life? God so love the world he gave His all.
---Bryan on 7/2/14


---Bryan on 6/28/14: 'He had to stop being God just so man could kill him'

Bryan, you make TWO errors there

(1) No, as Jesus was God, it was possible for Him to allow people to kill Him even while He was God

(2) No, Jesus did not stop being God.

For (2), there would be a HUGE problem if your statement was true. If Jesus, when He died, was not God, the sacrifice would not be enough to save all people. Yes, God (the Father and Spirit)abandoned Jesus on the cross (why have you?) but that does not mean Jesus was not God!
---Peter on 7/1/14


I will not worship someone that will not remain all-knowing, all-powerful, and ever-present.
There are many false gods in the world.
Some are named Jesus and Jehovah.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached...
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there, believe [it] not.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I [am] the LORD, I change not...
---micha9344 on 7/1/14


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Abraham Lincoln once asked a man how many legs a horse had. "Why four, of course."

Lincoln then asked, "Suppose we call the horse's tail a leg, then how many would it then have?"

"Five."

"Wrong," said Lincoln. "Calling a horse's tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

He who has ears should use them.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/14


You to get you fact straight before He stopped using his word to the point of death on the cross. I would call that stop being God. Cause when he speaks his word, very knee bows.
---Bryan on 6/30/14


How were demons created? Clue there was nothing made that wasn't made by his word all things were made by his word. Not that God chose to make demons, he made angels, angels chose to kill God. So God kicked them out of heaven. They were not demons they chose to become demons. But they are still subject to the word. What would they said to Jesus. We know who you are and then they would say don't destroy us before the time. Understand you have that same Jesus in you he has given you his life
---Bryan on 6/30/14


//He had to stop being God just so man could kill him cluny did you ever notice Jesus stop answering the question of his accusers.//

Bryan,
Cluny is correct. You are very wrong. God never stopped being God. Just not possible. It was the incarnated Jesus who went to the cross. In His nature He was man and he was God. God did not die. The Man Jesus died for our sins. How can you possibly say that our Creator stopped being God? You have to get your facts right Bryan. If you sow, sow the Truth. A false god can save no one. Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14


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Good question, Peter.

In baptism there are three exorcisms read over the candidate even before his renunciation of Satan and confessing of Christ as Savior, King, and God.

Full blown exorcisms (a la Blatty's novel) are rare, but do happen. These are performed by priests with great experience in this matter, as there are some physical and mental conditions that seem to be possession, but are not.

Frequently monasteries are involved in this ministry, which covers everything from victims of MAGEIA (not quite the same thing as magic) to full possession.

There are exorcisms and prayers for deliverance in the service books.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/30/14


So cluny the short of it is you don't believe we have the power to cast out demon? So we just suppose to live with them? Just learn to get along with them? They have as much rights as us, even though they hate us and want us dead.
---Bryan on 6/30/14


Exorcism is the spiritual equivalent of open heart or deep brain surgery.

In all these cases, first one has to make sure that a patient has a disease that can be cured by such a treatment.

All these also require experienced surgeons--in one case, medical, in the other spiritual.

NONE of these are things that anybody and everybody can claim to do.

There is one exception: No surgeon has caught brain cancer from a patient, but would-be exorcists HAVE been possessed by the very demons they were seeking to expel.

There's an example in Acts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/29/14


Cluny: Could I ask a different question?

What is the view of the Orthodox Church on exorcism? It is not something that I have really heard mentioned, though I have to say I hear it mentioned mostly on the protestant side!

But are there things written about exorcism in the Orthodox Church?
---Peter on 6/29/14


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Why so angry. You ain't, you can't, You don't believe. Why cluny if that is your real name Christains don't talk that way, no need to. The Gospel sets people free. cluny as you can see your on words are more condemning to you than they are to me. I can find in the bible were Jesus told anybody they were wrong. But the religious folks all said Jesus was wrong.
---Bryan on 6/29/14


\\You never answer the question who has the authority to cast out demon in your religion.
---Bryan on 6/28/14\\

Why should I? You're not a Christian and therefore can neither understand nor discern spiritual matters.

When you start believing in the REAL Jesus Who never stopped being God ever, then maybe we might discuss this.

In the mean time, this is not my circus or my monkeys, as the Polish expression says, and I'm tired of it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/29/14


John 3, 16 God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son. No were cluny no were? Let's look at a few other place were it tells us how he gave up his place in heaven to become a man. How about accept the seed be cast into the ground and dies it can't reproduce. See cluny God just keeps on giving and giving and giving he gave up his life so we could have life. We are his seeds are we not? He had to give up something for that to happen. So when you give your life to Jesus do you not give him all of it? He only has the right to do that, unless he gave all of his for us.
---Bryan on 6/29/14


cluny remember what God has give you it is not to be used to lord over people with. It is supposed to be used to give life not condemn not judge, it is to be used to give life that's what you were given by Jesus life so make sure you give life with your words. That is sowing the Gospel. People may have religious believe that are different but that is what the Gospel is for telling people their wrong is not in the Gospel. Everytime I have resonded to you I never said your wrong I just shared the Gospel. It sets you free and who the son sets free is free indeed. I will stand at the gates of hell and scream the Gospel at people it is the only thing that will set them free. Telling them they were wrong is not setting anybody free.
---Bryan on 6/29/14


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\\God but he had to give it all up to save us, he gave it all. All means all in my bible I don't know what all mean in yours. \\

Bryan, NOWHERE does the Bible say "God had to give it all up."

First off, God doesn't HAVE to do anything.

Next, NOWHERE does the Bible say God gave up ANYTHING.

This is why I say you're not spreading the Gospel but spreading your own words which don't edify anyone.

Glory to jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/14


You never answer the question who has the authority to cast out demon in your religion.
---Bryan on 6/28/14


\\He had to stop being God \\

Jesus never stopped being God.

If you think this, you don't believe in the REAL Jesus and are not even a B-flat Christian, let alone an evangelist.

And therefore, you're not sowing the Gospel.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/14


He had to stop being God just so man could kill him cluny did you ever notice Jesus stop answering the question of his accusers. He had to give up his power so he could die on the cross for us. Don't you know cluny, Father why have you forsaken me. He had to give up his place in heaven in heaven so we could go to heaven. Yep cluny he was still God but he had to give it all up to save us, he gave it all. All means all in my bible I don't know what all mean in yours. He loves us so much he did. So when you run your mouth about how people believe that not the love of God that's just you being in the flesh no good fruit.
---Bryan on 6/28/14


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The fact cluny is you don't know. All you eduction has lead you to this piont you don't know who has authority in your religion. The veil in the temple was ripped from the top to the bottom after Jesus died on the cross what does that mean to you?
---Bryan on 6/28/14


\\Never said Jesus stopped being God\\

Yes, you did, too, Bryan.

Here's the entire post and date you said this:

***He had to give up. To die, HE HAD TO STOP BEING GOD in order to be crucified on the cross for us. He was defeat in that battle but the war he won hands up.
---Bryan on 6/14/14***

Emphasis added.

You posted this on the blog "What is our problem".

If you can't even remember your own words, Bryan, how can you remember God's word properly?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/28/14


Never said Jesus stopped being God you. So again who has the authority in you religion to cast out demons?
---Bryan on 6/27/14


What did I say cluny I said Jesus gave up his life. Most people would understand for Jesus to be defeat he would have to give up. And by the way he did give up his life in heaven to become a man like us. Any time in his life on earth he could wipe us all out and started over. So again cluny who has authority in your church to cast out demons? You seem to know so much about it tell us.
---Bryan on 6/27/14


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Is it you cluny are the official demon caster outer at your church? Are you Shame of it cluny, are you ashamed of Jesus? Your church is not the only church who believes Jesus Christ is Lord. You can find that in your religion some were can you say that cluny Jesus Christ is Lord?
---Bryan on 6/27/14


Trey said: "...You have no understanding of true Christianity. You do not understand that it is not about ...our accumulation of great biblical knowledge, but true Christianity is about treating others with love and respect! ...realizing that all of us are what we are by the grace of an Almighty God!!!

This is true. I agree 100 percent. However, if someone--anyone on this or any other blog cannot get his or her message across, then--in the spirit of love and charity we are to correct them, and lovingly place them back on the path to righteousness.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/27/14


\\If you insult us again then your a prideful and that is not good seed to sow in your life so answer cluny.
---Bryan on 6/27/14\\

"Us?" How many people are you, Bryan?

Tell you what. First answer the question I asked some weeks ago::

Where did you get the idea that Jesus ever stopped being God?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/14


Isaiah 53 tells of Christ crucifixion. by His stripes we are healed is simply He died for our salvation. It does not mean He will heal all who ask.
---shira4368 on 6/26/14


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Is there REALLY the 'word' ain't in anyone's dictionary? I own several dictionaries and it IS NOT in any of them.

Here in the U.K. it is used as a slang (or short form) way of saying 'is not' or 'are not' - depending on whether one wishes to use singular or plural. It tends to be used in speech only. I have never seen it in writing until I saw it in this blog.

If it is not a real word then there is no correct spelling for it so, if one so desires, one could spell it aynt or any other version which would make the same sound.

Perhaps we could all return to using Christianet blogs for the purpose for which they were originally created and put an end to all the unGodly nit-picking.
---Rita_H on 6/27/14


\\ but true Christianity is about treating others with love and respect!\\

When a teach points out a student's errors, is the teacher not showing love and respect.

Grammatical errors aside--though they show how little Bryan knows in general, because most of us learn proper grammar and spelling in elementary school--among other absurdities, Bryan has said that Jesus had to stop being God, and the Devil made Him do things.

This is nothing ANYWHERE near the true Gospel.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/27/14


Again cluny who in your church has the authority to cast out demons answers us cluny or we will see you religion is man made. If you insult us again then your a prideful and that is not good seed to sow in your life so answer cluny.
---Bryan on 6/27/14


I would just like to say that you guys who dog another individual over his lack of education really tick me off!

You have no understanding of true Christianity. You do not understand that it is not about our understanding of Latin and Hebrew, knowledge of church history, or our accumulation of great biblical knowledge, but true Christianity is about treating others with love and respect! It is about helping others that cannot help themselves. Its about overlooking others faults and realizing that all of us are what we are by the grace of an Almighty God!!!
---trey on 6/26/14


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Bryan, you keep saying that Jesus is the same now as He was 2000 years ago.

Do you believe this for yourself?

If so, pray to Jesus to help you understand properly the things that you read. Ask Him to teach you to be able to write and spell properly.

You won't be the first one to do so. I could tell you stories from Church history. Do you think that He will do so for others and not for you?

That way, if you REALLY have something to say that is from God, the message won't be damaged by, your faulty style.

Of course, if you still think that Jesus had to stop being God, or ever He did, you don't really believe in the real Jesus to start with.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/14


cluny a person who shares the Gospel share the Gospel knowing it sets people free even those who are demon possessed. What is so hard about that to understand? See when you say all these wired rules about Jesus Christ I know what your teaching is not his Gospel, cause his Gospel sets you free. And shares his word with all. In the Gospel of Jesus Christ all means all. No judgement no condemnation just the. Gospel. Sets people free
---Bryan on 6/26/14


Bryan said: ...you believe by his strips we are healed, you mean you believe, we can do all things though Christ who strenghtens us....

Strips??? If you can't even quote Scripture properly, then maybe you don't have all of the Holy Spirit you think you do. "By His stripes we are healed!" Strips are what you cut paper or meat into. Stripes (in this context) are the wounds on His back that were caused by scourging.

And here is a freebie for you. Strengthens, not strenghtens and through, not though. "I can do all things though Christ who strengthens me means you can do things in spite of what Jesus wants.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/26/14


If you can't even spell "ain't" correctly, you won't understand deep spiritual matters, such as exorcism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/14


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You have been sharing the Gospel with me! ! ! So you believe praying in tongues, you believe by his strips we are healed, you mean you believe, we can do all things though Christ who strenghtens us. You believe the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has has has set us free from the laws if sin and death, you have been trying to tell me that greater is he who is in me than he who is in the world. You mean you understand everybody has the measure of faith and all are called.
---Bryan on 6/26/14


Say it ani't so cluny say it ani't so? A little humor cluny have a little humor. So who has the authority to cast out a demon in your church cluny?
---Bryan on 6/26/14


\\our job as a believer in Jesus Christ is to share the Gospel,\\

That's what I'm trying to do, Bryan.

I'm trying to share the Gospel with you.

Part of that is showing you where you're wrong.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/14


That is not our job to get believers on the right track. That is the Holy Spirit's job, our job as a believer in Jesus Christ is to share the Gospel, not telling people were their wrong but having faith in the Word to set them free. Not the right track but the word of faith.
---Bryan on 6/26/14


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\\Your st paul anit Jesus. And you st paul anit my savior either. \\

You're in a pretty bad shape when you can't even spell non-standard words properly, Bryan.

The proper spelling is "ain't." Note the apostrophe before the last letter.

When you start giving the Word of God and not the words of Bryan, people might listen to you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/14


We can certainly agree that St. Paul moved in the Holy Spirit.

Nevertheless, it took him several days to recognize that the woman saying he was pointing the way to salvation was in fact possessed by demons--and she, too, was even using the right Christian buzz words.

Think about it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/26/14


Dear Karen and Cluny,
I totally agree in what you guys have asked or answered when Cluny said,

"I think this is just another of Steveng's drive-by postings which stirs up controversy while he watches and feeds off it."

Almost all of Steven's blogs or questions have to do against denominations. He always try's to find fault. He should not look for the negatives in the gathering of believers, but how he can help many by giving Scripture. It is not easy to be a believer, it is hard. That is why we are commanded to help other brothers and sisters, to get on the right track. Agape
---Luke on 6/26/14


No cluny I don't agree with your religious primiss. Your religion tries to make the word impossible to use or believe. That is the not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If the word drove demons out 2000 years ago. If the word saved people 2000 years ago? Does it still save people today or does it only save some 30 or some 60 but never like it did when Jesus was here?
---Bryan on 6/26/14


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\\Cause it is still the word even today just like it was 2000 years ago.
---Bryan on 6/25/14\\

But you're not saying God's word. You're saying your own.

**Aren't you the one who doesn't like denominations? Now you are talking about the Catholic priest. **

I think this is just another of Steveng's drive-by postings which stirs up controversy while he watches and feeds off it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/14


Bryan said: " Cluny what chapter an verse did Jesus tell us to do all that, just to get rid of a demon? He just tells us to tell them to shut up and get out? Look at all the crap you religion has laid on believer just to tell a demon to leave."

Bryan, Jesus is God. As such He already has the fullness of the Holy Spirit. He can tell if a man is demon possessed or simply suffering from the D.T.s. I do not claim--nor do I know anyone that does claim to be on the spiritual level of Jesus. If I can't tell the difference between possession and a man with a brain tumor, neither can you. You have to know what you are dealing with.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/25/14


Bryan said: Your st paul anit Jesus. And you st paul anit my savior either. Jesus our savior said put him under you foot. "satan" You speak my word and he will flee fom you. Paul just spoke the word can you speak the word? That is all Paul did it worked him and it will still work for us the same way. Cause it is still the word even today just like it was 2000 years ago.

True, St. Paul is not Jesus. But Paul was flowing in a great deal more of the Holy Spirit than you are. He had maturity. You don't. Shut up and grow up. Leave the healings and exorcisms to the grown ups.

Pray for me!
the unworthy monk Brendan
---Monk_Brendan on 6/25/14


steveng....Aren't you the one who doesn't like denominations? Now you are talking about the Catholic priest. Are you now Catholic? What you are repeating is gossip if you weren't there.
---KarenD on 6/25/14


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Your st paul anit Jesus. And you st paul anit my savior either. Jesus our savior said put him under you foot. "satan" You speak my word and he will flee fom you. Paul just spoke the word can you speak the word? That is all Paul did it worked him and it will still work for us the same way. Cause it is still the word even today just like it was 2000 years ago.
---Bryan on 6/25/14


Bryan, since you have introduced a needlessly scatalogical note into a serious discussion, I will do likewise so you will understand.

In the words of St. Paul, I count what you say BUT DUNG.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/25/14


I agree with Cluny too many who believe in demons also see them where they aren't at all. Teens don't need demons to act like that some of them are just out to find trouble and cause it. What they need most is Jesus Christ and them serving Him. The Priest was right not to do it he didn't know them or know if they really were possessed. Although God gave His people power over all the power of the enemy we still must use God's leading and wisdom in standing in that power. Casting out demons isn't something to take lightly because once they come out the person doing the exorcism must cast them into something,as Jesus did the swine,they can't be left free to go into someone else,they must be bound.God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/25/14


Do you ask him if he has demon card to prove to you he is a demon? It does not matter. The people sins are forgiven just tell the demon to take hike see all crap religion has tried to do to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Strip it of it's Power. You don't need a priest you are a priest Jesus made you one. He has made you more than a conqueror that's more than a priest that's more than a demon.
---Bryan on 6/25/14


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He may have been smart enough to know he couldn't do it
---michael_e on 6/24/14


First off, Bryan, you have to make sure it IS a demon to start with.

Pardon my analogy, but this is like trying to perform an abortion on a woman who is NOT pregnant. (I've heard of this being done at the legalized abortion mills.)

Both procedures will do great damage to the patient.

But I don't expect you to have the spiritual maturity to understand this point.

A lot of people see a demon behind every coffee pot. That's one of the demons' cleverest tricks--to make people think they are more active than they are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14


BTW, Bryan, ANYONE who says that Jesus had to "stop being God," as you have said elsewhere, does NOT have the spiritual discernment to know if a given person is possessed by a demon, or merely physically or mentally ill.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14


On 1 Aug. 1966, Charles Whitman killed his own wife and mother and then climbed to the top of the tower at the U. of Texas in Austin, where, armed with several weapons, he started to shoot at people at random.

Several--don't know how many--were killed until he himself was finally taken out by officers.

It would be very easy to blame such wanton mass killing on demons.

But his autopsy revealed he had a brain tumor.

This is just one example of a physical ailment imitating demonic possession.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14


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Cluny what chapter an verse did Jesus tell us to do all that, just to get rid of a demon? He just tells us to tell them to shut up and get out? Look at all the crap you religion has laid on believer just to tell a demon to leave.
---Bryan on 6/24/14


\\Even in the movies they make them look bad. They want to speak against the teachings of Christ, they mention the RCC.\\

I might add that most of the things popular entertainment will say about the Roman Catholic Church are simply not true.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/24/14


Some ministers and priests are not prepared for this particular ministry. Those who are should not be involved. I don't feel that it should be based on church attendance but upon the God-given ability to be able to perform this ministry.

If this one cannot then I feel that the church could have found one who was capable of the task.
---Rita_H on 6/24/14


Dear Steven,
You should already know that most of the black eyes given to Christianity are towards the Roman Catholic Church. Even in the movies they make them look bad. They want to speak against the teachings of Christ, they mention the RCC. Second, you again mention church goer's in your question. Somehow mentioning that it seems you are speaking again against the denominations. You wanted our thoughts, those are mine. What Cluny said is correct, the RCC does not just do exorcism when they are asked to do them. There is a lot of things involve before they will act. Agape
---Luke on 6/24/14


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First, I'd like to know your source for this tidbit. Don't forget, if the secular media can mess up something about ANBODY'S church, they will find it. If not, they will make it up.

Next, as I understand the rules regarding this matter in the Roman Catholic Church, a priest cannot perform an exorcism (except for the baptismal ones) on his own authority.

There must be a careful investigation involving medical and psychological professionals to rule out natural explanations.

Next a report is made to the Bishop. Even then, the Bishop may have the exorcism (if approved) performed by another priest.

Contrary to what you might want to think, Steveng, there is no stipend for this ministry.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/23/14


Thank God Jesus never said such a thing.
---Bryan on 6/23/14


Steven, we need more context. Who requested the exorcism, and why was it needed, and where did this take place, and when? Moreover, not all priests are qualified to do exorcisms.
---love.jesus on 6/23/14


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