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Is Hell An Emotion

A loving God would not allow conception of babies destined as adults to spend eternity in a lake of fire. Thus, Hell is not a physical place but an emotion. Agree?

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Luke - Nothing to do with - Jew and gentiles ?

Some commentaries on this have it different - The poor - are spiritually poor - That was the gentiles until Christ came

Isaiah 49:6 - And said , It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel, I will give light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth,
---RichardC on 7/10/14

Leon and Cluny, what I wrote was my own parable. I certainly don't believe that my parents are in hell or that they are going there either, even though they were never Christian. The idea that there is anything literal about the parable of the rich man and Lazarus makes no sense.
---love.jesus on 7/10/14

Karthr - No it's not a fairy tale - It's a spiritual story , Now far as I know luke 16 is the only place where we find a person that is conscious in hell, The Pharisees treated the gentiles like dogs ,and the table has been turn , As far as I know the story was told in the parable form for believers - not the Pharisees, I did read that on a commentary,

2 Peter 3:10 - But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens shall pass a way with a great noise, and the elements shall melt away with fervent heat, the earth also the works that are there in shall be burned up,
---RichardC on 7/9/14

"I guess what the parable of rich man & Lazarus means is, I'll be able to look down from my vantage point in heaven & see my parents in hell, & I'll be able to talk to them..."
---love.jesus on 7/9/14

Love: No one in the parable was in heaven. Abe & 'Rus were in Abraham's bosom (a beautiful "paradise" like garden reminiscent of where Adam & Eve lived). The rich man was in "hell" (torment). A grand canyon-like gulf (chasm, pit) between them made it impossible for anyone to go from one side to the other. Reminds me of the parallel existence between born again believer & unbelievers, i.e., both are in the world, but separated by a division of understanding.
---Leon on 7/9/14

\\I guess what the parable of rich man and Lazarus means is, I will be able to look down from my vantage point in heaven and see my parents in hell,\\

And where did you get the idea your parents were in hell?

I really doubt that God has revealed His final secret judgements to you.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/10/14

//The parable and this is a parable - Jews are the rich, Pharisees - Spiritual wealth - sharing with the poor - The Gentiles -//

The parable has nothing to do with Jews and Gentiles. It was a lesson for the Pharisees.
Pharisees were inclined to see the things Jesus mentioned, table scraps, sores, and dogs concerning the poor man as proof of divine disfavor. They viewed such a person as not only unclean, but also despised by God. But Jesus proof them wrong. Having or not having things, looking bad or good, does not qualify anyone into heaven. What counts is what is in the heart. The poor man went to heaven and the rich man to hell. It is harder for a rich man to enter heaven because he is proud of the things he has. Agape
---Luke on 7/10/14

The wages of sin is DEATH - not eternal LIFE in torture.

Only God has immortality - not man.

---jerry6593 on 7/10/14

What may be even more absurd, LJ, is that you put yourself in the place of Abraham and not in the place of Lazarus or the rich man,
Nowhere in the text does it mention anything about Lazarus having the awareness about what is happening to the rich man nor the ability, of himself, to aid the rich man, even if he was aware.
The text does not show Lazarus interacting in any way with the rich man.
I haven't seen anyone yet relate the objects of this "parable" to real life objects as Jesus did with other parables.
---micha9344 on 7/10/14

I guess what the parable of rich man and Lazarus means is, I will be able to look down from my vantage point in heaven and see my parents in hell, And I will be able to talk to them, and dip my finger in some water to give them a drop on their tongues. This would be more interesting if it was not so absurd.
---love.jesus on 7/9/14

RICHARDC, and Samuel,

Ok do you both think the definition of parable is fairy tale, fable, or fiction or some mother goose Grimms story that Jesus told. For what purpose would GOD tell such stories not based on facts in the first place. Abraham is a REAL PERSON.

So are all parables in scripture....your definition of a parable that is, based on a lie? So what do you think the moral of the story was.....????? Or was it just told for entertainment value Goldy Locks and the Three bears? Or scary stories around the campfire at night just to pass the time?

Please show ONE example in scripture of a parable using people's names who exist...or existed.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/14

Dear Gordon where does the Bible say the soul was created to exist forever? I read your words but I want the words of GOD to say this for I must believe and follow scripture.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

We all are to be resurrected from the dead. But the wicked will be destroyed in Gehenna or hell.

Dear Leon. I do diligently search the scriptures which is why I must be shown from scripture not just words of people.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,...
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/14

Diligently search the Scripture Sam & you'll find the truth, & the truth will set you free!
---Leon on 7/9/14

Luke - Table scraps to the dogs - Finally ! were going in the right direction !

The parable and this is a parable - Jews are the rich, Pharisees - Spiritual wealth - sharing with the poor - The Gentiles -

People used luke 16 to prove there is a hell were people have conscious existence, ( Let's think about this - one group is in paradise - while another group is going to be suffering ? to be continue )

Luke - kill the soul - No destroy - Now the body is destroy and that nobody has problems with, but destroying the soul can't be done ?

karthr - Saul : those verses your on , I haven't gone over in a long while ,but as I recall had to do with satanic powers ,
---RICHARDC on 7/9/14

Samuelbb7, Our souls are in the very same form and shape as our physical bodies.

Our souls are of a much higher grade and quality than our physical bodies.

Our physical bodies corrupt and decay with time, while the soul is created to exist forever.

At death, the soul separates from the physical body and goes immediately to either Heaven or Hell.

And, there, the senses are keener and sharper, without the limitations of the physical corrupting body.

The physical body, meanwhile, decays in the ground or wherever the body ends up at death, (in a body of water, cremated, etc).

But, one day, the LORD will reunite the soul with it's former physical body to stand before HIM on Judgment Day.
---Gordon on 7/9/14

RICHARD, it is appointed for those in the end who are lost TWICE TO DIE. So death ..judgement, and death again. Another puzzle if you don't understand the meaning of death.

Here's a puzzle for you. Saul seeing a witch to summon Samuel from the dead. Even OT never believed death meant total extinction. And Saul certainly didn't believe a witch to have higher powers than God to reincarnate the soul of the deceased, but only to have powers to CONTACT the deceased.....which was forbidden by God to practice such things, costing Saul his throne.

AND, those who face "the second death" are not reincarnated first to face the second death.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/14

Dear Richard,
God is able to kill the soul and body. He has killed the body but nowhere are we told He is killing the soul, but He can if He wants to.
Second, the story in Luke 16:19-31 is a parable. It is the only parable where a name is used "Lazarus" is used by Jesus. Parables were made to teach a lesson. Parables were stories Jesus used and no one knows if they were actual incidents that really happen. Many believe they are actual incidents. In this case the parable was for the benefit of the Pharisees. The mention of table scraps, sores, and dogs all made the poor man appear unclean in the eyes of the Pharisees. Pharisees inclined to believe those people were despised by God, but they were wrong.
---Luke on 7/9/14

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I read your words Leon. Which I have read many like this before. Now where is what you say in scripture?

Thank you LoveJesus that is the question that many avoid by making this parable real.

First the rich do not automatically go to paradise. Nor are the poor cursed of GOD. Still a common teaching.

Luke 16:29-31
...And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Please read the verses above.

JESUS resurrected Lazarus from the dead and they still did not believe.

Instead of listening to a man and checking what he says you make fun of his name. That shows your case is weak.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/14

Isaiah 26:14 - They are dead, they shall not live: they are deceased, they shall not rise, therefore hast visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish,

Hebrews 9:27 - And as it is appointed unto men once to die , but after this the judgement,

( Judgement right on last day - a persons life or - last day of end of the world ? )
---RICHARDC on 7/9/14

What is the meaning of the story of the rich man and Lazarus?
---love.jesus on 7/8/14

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body , but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both body and soul in hell,

1 - Destroy : To reduce ( an object to useless) burning, or dissolving, injure beyond repair, or renewal, demolish: ruin, Annihilate ,

2 - To put a end to extinguish ,

Leon : not our God given essence -

Leon : If man has more than a Body or a soul - a man essence - in the bible - if you could put down the verses your working with,
---RICHARDC on 7/8/14

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Anyone who says Luke 16 is a parable, simply has no understanding of what a parable is. It is a fact, with real people. Abraham's bosom was a real place AKA paradise. Jesus said..TODAY you will be with me in Paradise..aka Abraham's Bosom. When Jesus rose from the dead! he lead CAPTIVITY Captive, and set the captives free. Hell, aka hades had two of torment, and one of peace until Jesus died and rose again bringing those waiting in Abraham's Bosom into heaven. Hebrews 12 tells us so...and Hebrews 12 is no parable. The spirits of JUST MEN MADE PERFECT....THEIR PERFECTION didn't come until the resurrection. OT saints are now in Heaven.....a real place. Those not in heaven are waiting judgement and the second death.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/14

Sam: Don't hang onto the words of Elmer Fudge, or any other Bible commentator. Instead, listen & hear what God says from the Bible. Born again believer in Jesus Christ listen to & are willingly instructed, from the Bible, by the Holy Spirit (Comforter).

You fail to realize the bodies of Abraham, Lazarus & the Rich man are spirit/soul bodies who obviously can feel: thirst, see, speak, etc., the same as when they occupied flesh bodies.

The breath of life is spirit animation & cognition: an aware "living soul". That's what happened to Adam, flesh made of dust, when God breathed into his nostrils. When we give up the ghost (spirit) "only" our flesh man dies. Not our God-given essence!
---Leon on 7/8/14

Samuel, a parable is a parable. something to help us dumb people understand the simple things of God. I don't know what parable you are talking about because you speak of Abraham and Lazarus. they lived at different times. Samuel, please know when I don't understand something, I find someone who I trust and who knows a lot more than me.
---shira4368 on 7/8/14

Parables have meanings behind the objects.
The parable of the Vinedresser and His field. Each object in the parable has a real object associated with it.
The sower and the seed.
Now, if Lazarus and rich man were a parable, someone should be able to associate each object with a real counterpart.
---micha9344 on 7/8/14

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Karthr -------> When actual names are use it's literal ?

Were are you getting that from ? verses and chapters if possible
---RICHARDC on 7/8/14

Luke, Gordon, shira4368, kathr and trey.
In the Parable the two are in speaking range and one is laying in the arms of Abraham. Is this literal?
In the place of torment the rich man has a body. He calls for Lazarus who has a body to bring water. If this is literal then our bodies should disappear at death.

Our bodies come up at the Resurrection when JESUS comes.
We are a soul. We do not have a soul.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul.
Why do you deny this is true?
I have read many books by authors who support your views. But they do not answer the arguments given by Edward Fudge. They ignore them. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/8/14

Love.jesus, how many parables, that we know are parables using names? NONE. Luke 16 is not a parable that needs to be explained, like the 4 soils. I totally agree with Trey on all his points.

I also believe when God created man, there was something different between man and animal. We being created after the image of God, and given a soul, unlike animals, are eternal beings. Angels were also created eternal, but have no souls. They were not created after His image, yet are also eternal. We know they, those who rebelled, will be in a literal HELL. So we know HELL IS A REAL PLACE, originally created for them, not man.....but now we know through God's Word, fallen man will also share their fate.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/14

Geraldine, if Hell is an emotion and not a physical place why did Christ have to come down to this low ground of sin and sorrow, suffer in the flesh, and be crucified? If Hell is not real then what did Christ save us from???

If Hell is not real, then Heaven must not be real either....and we then of all men are most miserable!
---trey on 7/7/14

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Why do you think names can't be used in parables?
---love.jesus on 7/7/14

Also keep in mind parables etc don't use peoples names. When actual names are used it is literal.

Yet again, when Jesus uses Parables, allegories etc, He is also teaching a literal truth.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/14

Luke - I know this with Proverbs 10:6 - The unsaved are on the path of destruction, and only God can destroy, or saves, This type of blog comes up every now and then, people always used Luke 16 - literally, when it is a parable, - allegory, Or use verses where Hell goes on Night and Day forever, the problem with that is the celestial clock is stop , Revelation 10:6 - I know your a firm believer in hell as a place forever were man is conscious , For me am not that sure, it's destruction at this point,
---RICHARDC on 7/7/14

Please tell me where scripture says hypocrites go to hell. I'm very interested to know what book and verse. Hypocrites won't see hell unless they are not saved.
---shira4368 on 7/7/14

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"Hell" is where people "weep and gnash their teeth".

One of the parables in the RSV says "and I will put him with the HYPOCRITES, their men will weep and gnash their teeth".

When someone is in the habit of being a hypocrite, their conscience will "weep" (seared conscience) and they will be UNCOMFORTABLE about their own behavior (they will "grind their teeth..."gnash their teeth".

For them, their destiny has begun ON THIS EARTH (this is the age of ETERNITY) and their "eternity" will end when they die (OUR SPIRIT-FILLED "eternity" will continue FOREVER with the GOD OF ETERNITY.
---faithforfaith on 7/7/14

Hell is a literal, physical place.
With literal pains and torments that can be fully felt.
Hell is more real than life here atop the Earth.

Just as Heaven is more real than this life.

GOD will not allow any baby, unborn or newborn, regardless of the spiritual condition of it's parents, to be cast into Hell.
HIS Grace covers them, for they have not sinned on Earth nor known right from wrong.
Not like older children and adults.

All babies, newborn and unborn go straight to Heaven at their death.
King David knew this,
that's why he says what he says in II Samuel 12:23.
---Gordon on 7/7/14

Dear Samuel,
You are reading too much propaganda from many individuals on the net. You do not have to go to different websites to find out how many twist the Scriptures. They do not know a metaphor from an allegory. Why don't you find yourself a good hermeneutic book to help you understand what metaphors, allegories, many symbols and images are in the Bible. Also figures of speech have to be understood as figures of speech. Figures of speech are often intended to have a meaning different from the literal statement. Just trying to help you. Agape
---Luke on 7/7/14

Dear Richard,
It is extremely important to understand the passage in Proverbs 6:32. The passage is not literally saying a person can actually destroy his own soul, because that is impossible for man to do. It is a powerful metaphor to describe the obvious danger and destructive consequences of adultery, show that the punishment is a natural and expected consequence. No person can literally destroy, kill, do away with his own soul. Only God can do that.
We can destroy our own lives when we commit adultery. Agape
---Luke on 7/7/14

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Dear Richardc

There is a book called the Fire that Consumes about Conditionalism.

There is also a YouTube video Lecture by Edward Fudge The Fire that Consumes.

They should help you understand this topic.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/7/14

Samuel - Immortal Soul - God cannot Destroy ,

Proverbs 6:32 - Whoever commit adultery with a women lacks understanding, he who does so destroys his own soul .

{ Seems man can and does destroy his own soul too ! - Like you said, and is written - body destroy - soul destroy - What's left ! - Nothing - This is why I lean towards total destruction , but am still working on this, )
---RICHARDC on 7/6/14

2 Timothy 2:25 - In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves: if God peradventure will give them repentance to acknowledge the truth,

Peradventure ------> perhaps
---RICHARDC on 7/6/14

\\ And because He is He needs to create Hell for many will not surrender to His call of repentance or to Him as God. \\


God doesn't NEED to do anything.

He's under no compulsion whatever and is the only one Who is totally free.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/6/14

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Richardc Thanks
Many teach we have an immortal soul, GOD cannot destroy.

Matthew 24 JESUS comes the wicked are destroyed, the righteous go to heaven this is the rapture.
Day of Judgment the saints who were taken up in the rapture come with JESUS to judge the world.
Ecclesiastes 9:5 Psalm 145:20 both state the truth that the dead are asleep and the wicked will be destroyed.

Rev 2:11,21:8
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
What do these verses mean?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/6/14

I don't agree. God is love but also He is a JUST God. And because He is He needs to create Hell for many will not surrender to His call of repentance or to Him as God. Repent now you stubborn. Read 1John 1:9 Once you repent from your heart God's forgivenes is automatic. But Satan is a stubborn enemy He will keep on lying unto you. Just ignore Him and cast Him out including His demons using the powerful name of Jesus Christ. You can do it or use His name AFTER you surrender your life to Jesus and accept Him as your own God, personal Saviour and friends forever by faith. Read John 1:12, John 3:16, accept that as sinners we need Jesus Romans 3:23 and 6:23.
---Lanie on 7/6/14

One gospel singer wrote it like this & then sang it quite well...
"I would hate to live here, on earth spend my days miserable fussing, argue and fighting, it's like literally living in Hell!"
Then die miserable death, die and" go to Hell!"
Yes, there is a heaven, as so you know there's got to also, be a Hell!
Help us, Oh Lord Jesus!
Love of jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/6/14

Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever, and have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name,

Isaiah 60:20 - Thy sun shall no more go down: neither shall thy moon withdraw itself, for the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended,
---RICHARDC on 7/5/14

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oops. i messed up editing my reply. oh well.
---aka on 7/5/14

"consider the goodness and severity of God" (in Romans 11:22)

"for our God is a consuming fire." (Hebrews 12:29)

Fire can burn what has the nature to be burnt. The same fire can warm and keep alive, for those with wisdom to benefit from the fire.

"But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives." (1 Timothy 5:6) So, a soul can be "dead" while alive, but in sin. And love-dead people do have feelings > they can feel being burned.

Ones will reap eternal life, others will reap corruption (Galatians 6:6-7) > ones will reap so much more corruption than what they sow themselves in, when they die, and it will burn, with torment > consider Revelation 14:10.
---com7fy8 on 7/4/14

My emotions are hell today.

the latter does not make sense since it is grammatically incorrect.

My emotions are hellish today.

emotion - an affective state of consciousness in which joy, sorrow, fear, hate, or the like, is experienced.

He sang with much joy.
He sang with much hell.

Still does not make sense.

If hell is an emotion, then heaven is too.
---aka on 7/4/14

Samuellbb7 - 0n - 7/3/14 - You teach that God cannot destroy - I never said that !

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of god is eternal life.

Now as far as 2 Corinthains 5:8 - If the true believers that die, are not with Christ - Ask your self how can Christ come with all his saints at judgment day ? --------> Thessalonians 3:13 - Jude 1:14

Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more reward: for the memory of them is forgotten,

Psalm 145:20 - The Lord preserveth all them that love him, but all the wicked will be destroy,

Samuel - Some verses for your debate
---RICHARDC on 7/4/14

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Dear Carla,
your statement was right on. I do not believe anyone who does not believe in hell will ever change their stance unless God opens their eyes to the truth. Those people will always find passages to support their own views just like those who do not believe that Jesus is God. They put out passages that speak while Jesus was here to claim He was not God. Like when He talked to the Father, they say,
"see, how could He be God and talking to the Father?" Sometimes they do that because they were taught wrong. Other times because they want to undermine the word of God. Then other times because God has not revealed that truth to them now, but will later on. Hell is real. And the sentence is eternal. Agape
---Luke on 7/4/14

Leon & Richardc if the Bible says it give Chapter and verse.

The Lake of fire is after the second coming it does not exist yet. Revelation19,20

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
The word Hell here is Gehenna which refers to the lake of fire. JESUS said soul and body will be destroyed. You teach that GOD cannot destroy the soul.
When I die I will go to sleep. So when I am absent from this body I will awake in my new body 1corithians 15 and be present with the LORD instantaneously as far as I could tell. So for me to die is to be present with the LORD.
Agape to all.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/3/14

Samuelbb7 - on -7/1/14 - 2 - Cor,5:8 it does not say go to Heaven - ?

Psalm 115:3 - But our God is in the heavens : he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

2 Corinthians 5:8 - Be confident , I say , and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord,
---RICHARDC on 7/3/14

Yes Carla, we must read, believe & heed what the Bible says! If anyone, here or elsewhere, says anything contrary to the word of God, don't listen to their erroneous/false doctrines.

Good post Carla ~ thx! :)

Rita_H: Hell is a very real "already existing" place just like the Jesus said in the Bible, & as the Book of Revelation teaches.
---Leon on 7/3/14

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You claim god is so loving that he himself is responsible for the flesh that is born within a woman's body being the child.

If God is all knowing, omnipresence, The Alfa, Omega The beginning and the end, the creator of all things why worry about where babies will spend their eternity. Is it a matter for you to judge, are you Christ ? leave what is in his hands in his hands if it was imputed to you to know, we would not need a saviour!

Hell is a visible reality( gate's of hell )google it ! a bottomless pit like the one burning inside a volcano for as long as man could look down in it, who can quench it's fire????

read ur bible !
---Carla on 7/3/14

I believe that hell will be a place and be very real, however, I do not believe it exists yet and our unbelieving, deceased loved ones are awaiting the resurrection to life OR death (Heaven or hell).

Revelation tells us that hell (the lake of fire) is being prepared, first and foremost, for the devil and his evil angels and they still roam the earth - seeking whom they may devour. I believe that scripture teaches that those who follow Satan on earth will also follow him into the lake of fire.
---Rita_H on 7/3/14

Samuel: Sorry you don't get it. Perhaps you'll understand at a later date. God bless!
---Leon on 7/2/14

Leon Ezekiel18:20 The word soul is Nephesh. But your words do not come from scripture. I do not find Spirit Mind in scriptures. Nowhere is this passage is the words: passes out, departs from, or leave the physical body. You added these words. Next you point to 2Cor.5,8 which says absent from the body. It does not say go to heaven. Luke 16 is the parable about the rich man and Lazarus. Which has two physical bodies one in Abrahams bosom and the other in torment. So where did you get nonphysical spirit bodies from?
Yes we must be Born Again. But 1corithians 15 points out this is though the resurrection of the dead and not at death.
You did not explain how a soul dies yet is alive.

Eze 18:4... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/2/14

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"We MUST realize and accept the fact that none of us were alive 2,000 years ago. Since none of us could have shaken the hands of Paul, Jesus, etc., we need to admit to ourselves that not all of is in scripture applies to us.

In Revelation, John both understood and expressed his vision according to JEWISH THOUGHT and belief.

The Jewish scribes used the words and understandings that they were accustomed to. The House of Israel was DIVORCED from God and the Jews are called the "faithless ones" in scripture. [?] They learned many pagan beliefs and practices when they were in Egypt."
---faithforfaith on 7/2/14

What kind of mumbo jumbo is this fff?!
---Leon on 7/2/14

We MUST realize and accept the fact that none of us were alive 2,000 years ago. Since none of us could have shaken the hands of Paul, Jesus, etc., we need to admit to ourselves that not all of is in scripture applies to us.

In Revelation, John both understood and expressed his vision according to JEWISH THOUGHT and belief.

The Jewish scribes used the words and understandings that they were accustomed to. The House of Israel was DIVORCED from God and the Jews are called the "faithless ones" in scripture. They learned many pagan beliefs and practices when they were in Egypt.
---faithforfaith on 7/2/14

Samuel: Eze. 18:20, regarding man's soul (nephesh), speaks about a breathing, both spirit & physical creature, such as we are. Our soul is will, emotions & intellect. In other words, "the spirit mind" (not to be confused with the physical brain housing it).

Eze 18:20 says our free will soul, born in sin, eventually passes out of (departs from, leaves) the physical body one day. Scripture says ALL have it's a given we ALL die (depart) & leave our dead flesh behind. Renewed (spirit regenerated, born again*) souls departs the flesh & go into heavenly glory to be with the Lord** & unregenerated soul goes immediately to hell. (2 Cor. 5:8 ~ Lk. 16:19-31)

*Jn 3:6-8
**2 Cor. 5:7-8
---Leon on 7/1/14

Once we humans die physically, our souls either go to live in one of two places, i.e., believers to heaven or unbelievers to a very real hell just like the Bible says. Leon

Since I have never read this in the Bible. Could you give me chapter and verse where it says the soul goes to heaven or hell at death?

Eze 18:20

The soul that sinneth, it shall die...

Please explain this.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/1/14

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Modern Christians have pushed the limits of minimizing hell in an effort to sidestep or soften Jesus own teachings of hell. The Bible describes hell as a place of outer darkness, a lake of fire, a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth, a place of eternal separation from the blessings of God, a prison, a place of torment where the worm doesn't turn or die. These are graphic images of eternal punishment. We must not think of them as merely symbols. It is possible that the sinner in hell would prefer the punishment to end.
We can take one concept of hell, that in hell there will be no cruelty there. The Judge of all the earth will surely do what is right. No innocent person will ever suffer at His hand.
---Luke on 7/1/14

Hell is a place where dead people dwell, i.e., the abode of the dead. Multitudes experience (catch) hell while living on earth, even before their physical death, but some become believers in Jesus Christ & thereby begin experiencing paradise (heaven on earth) renewed in their lives. Once we humans die physically, our souls either go to live in one of two places, i.e., believers to heaven or unbelievers to a very real hell just like the Bible says.
---Leon on 6/30/14

Well I disagree hell will someday exist. The word hell in the Bible many times refers to the grave. In the OT its is from sheol and is translated as underworld, grave, hell, and pit.

In the new Testament it is Gehenna or pit where the fire burns up the dead. The Bible says that going into the lake of fire is the second death.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The idea of eternal life in torment of fire is not from the Bible.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/30/14

The term and concept of a "lake" of fire was carried from pagan Egypt by the Jews and is found ONLY in Revelation (elsewhere in the NT, Jesus spoke of a "HELL" of fire).
---faithforfaith on 6/30/14

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Job 11:8 [It is] as high as heaven, what canst thou do? deeper than hell, what canst thou know?
-If hell is an emotion, then heaven must also be.
-Jesus did not ascend into an emotion.
Pro 15:11 Hell and destruction [are] before the LORD: how much more then the hearts of the children of men?
-If hell is an emotion, then so is destruction.
-Geraldine, something is steering your conclusions away from the Word of God.
-I believe your first statement needs some prayerful consideration.
---micha9344 on 6/30/14

Dear Geraldine,
There is many who read the Bible and put their own spin on it when they don't like something they read. When God commanded Israel to exterminate men, women, and children, they don't want to hear anything like that because that makes God look terrible, and in their own minds God is a loving God. What God would command such a thing? Our God did. Of course He had many reasons. Reasons, we as finite people could not fully understand.
God plans are not only beneficent, but also vast, and it takes centuries sometimes to work them out. We as creatures of a day, in our little conceit minds, look at some fragment of God's infinite plan and presume to judge the whole, of which we know little or nothing. Agape
---Luke on 6/30/14

Geraldine, you're worrying about deep things when you haven't even gotten over your spiritual OCD yet.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 6/29/14

Lawrence - 6/29/14 - Even those up to the age of accountability ----- ?

Genesis 8:21 ----- > ( Imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth )

Psalm 51:5 - Behold I was shape in iniquity and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Psalm 58:3 - The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be Born, speaking lies.

Proverbs 20:11 - Even a child is known by his doings , whether his work be pure, and whether it be right,
---RICHARDC on 6/29/14

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I think hell surely has its emotional side. How long will anyone be there before they cry: why didn't I listen to those who shared their faith with me? I can only but imagine the whole dawning horror of it all.

Shira you are correct hell is the only destination for those who reject God. And also for those who couldn't bother to decide one way of the other. It is the default position I suppose.

I get no joy in thinking that people will go to hell, only a deep sense of hopelessness for those who just will not listen.
---Warwick on 6/29/14

Geraldine on 6/29/14: I understand your upset about it, for there was a long time when I felt troubled by it.

I can only say how I sorted it out.

Maybe you accept it, maybe no

I took it like this:

The Bible says that it is a lake of fire

Reading the English and the Greek, I do not find something that suggests it is a metaphor, so I take it to be literal

This is because I take the Bible to be literal

The Bible is very reliable on other things - I will not say it is not literal just because I do not like something

I understand you may not like what I wrote, and I am sorry if it upsets you - but I believe it to be true
---Peter on 6/29/14

Hell is a real place where real people go if they reject God.
---shira4368 on 6/29/14

The wicked will be destroyed, God will not torture the wicked ofr all eternity. If you read the scriptures cororecty hell was made for the fallen angels & satsn, people arent them. The worse judgement to get is to be destroyed by God & never be in his presence. So you are right God isnt wicked, but just.
---candie on 6/29/14

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Why not read (and then answer) the question?
It was not about babies going to heaven or hell, but about God allowing the conception of children who will then grow up to go hell.
---Quill on 6/29/14

There Is a literal hell.
I believe babies will inter heaven at white throne judgment. Because they are innoscent. Even those up to the age of accountability. Those have died from natural causes, killed, aborted, other.
---Lawrence on 6/29/14

Don't you believe that there is an alternative to hell OR an emotion. The alternative is paradise with Jesus surely.

I know that some people believe that all aborted or still born babies, and children who die whilst too young to have accepted Christ, will go to hell. Those people do not believe in the same Saviour that I serve. Such a being would be an absolute MONSTER.
---Rita_H on 6/29/14

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