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Are Christians Praying Hard

If the Lord promises to heal our land and America is suppose to be a christian nation, why is America having catastrophic weather, earthquake in diverse places and cultural issues? Aren't the Christians praying hard enough? Isn't there enough Christians to heal America?

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Dear Steven,
It is good that you do not teach in any denomination. They have enough problems with you going in there bringing your own problems. Don't you understand that there was no New Testament when Jesus was speaking? But every time He spoke it became Scripture. We read it now. You are having a problem with New Covenant. You sound like you want to remain in the Old dead Covenant, not the better one. Agape
---Luke on 7/26/14


Steveng, today we live under the perfect law of Liberty. Christ is the END of the Law to those who believe. Again you call Colossians 2 a lie. Do you too have issues with Paul? Or maybe occasionally you do, but you do seem to fall short of understanding what the NEW creature means! or how we became so, or that we are not under law. None of those that I posted even apply to the church Steveng. If perhaps you actually understood who and what the church is, you would know that without argument. Matthew is talking to Jews concerning the earthly kingdom Steveng. As a Born Again Jew, I don't even have to cut off a hand or poke out an eye to enter the Kingdom of God. All I have to do is be crucified with Christ and raised a New Creature.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/14


#2. Steveng, I am a "new creature" IN CHRIST, the New Creature walks in the Spirit, prays in the Spirit, and it is God who works in us to will and do of His good pleasure. We have presented ourselves a living sacrifice unto God, so that we can know His perfect will. He lives in us and works through us as we are surrendered to do His will, not our own. Our minds have been renewed and we now have the mind of Christ. It is no longer I but Christ in me. The Lord does not ask me to PRAY HARD, scream and cry, throw myself in the dirt, roll on the floor etc, because that is an act of faithlessness. I don't have to BEG GOD to do anything. All I have to do is pray according to His Will, believing, and trust in Him. THY WILL BE DONE.
---kathr453 on 7/25/14


kathr4453 : "Steveng, many apply only in the Land of Israel, some are:.."

So, you are calling Jesus a liar when he said what he said in Matthew 22:40? That is exactly what you are saying unless, of course, you have a different interpretation. (remember: what scriptures was Jesus talking about considering that the NT was not even written yet.)

All in that list is still based upon love - if you love God, keep his commandments. All the laws are the same no matter OT or NT. The only difference is in the OT it's physical and in the NT it's spiritual. For instance, Jesus said in the OT if you murder someone it was a sin. In the NT even if you have hatred in your hear it is murder which is a sin.
---Steveng on 7/24/14


Steveng, many apply only in the Land of Israel, some are:
Laws in connection with Jewish civil and military government
Laws concerning the products of the land:
the heave-offering for the priests,
the tithes to the Levites,
the poor man's right to the gleanings, the forgotten sheaf, and the unreaped grain in the corners of the field,
the use of young trees (prohibited during the first three years), the mixing of different kinds of vegetables
the Sabbatical year.
Health laws:
Sanctification of the New Moon
The laws of the Jubilee and the blowing of the shofar on Yom Kippur to announce the Jubilee,
the laws of Jewish servants,
the right to sell a thief should he fail to make restitution for his theft.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/14




kathr4453 : "Steveng, I believe you are confused. Please find ANY scripture stating the NT " hangs upon the 600+ laws" of the the OT. "

"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:40

That's "ALL" the law and the prophets - not some of the laws. The ultimate law is Love as in the verb form - the love of God and the love of your neighbors. And remember, the NT did not exist when Jesus said this.
---Steveng on 7/23/14


//Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints,//

Dear Rita,
The passage teaches the general character of a believers prayer life. All prayer and supplications focuses on submission, as we line up with the will of God. (Rom. 8:26,27). Paul was not asking in prayer for his well being while in prison, but for boldness in proclaiming the gospel to the unsaved no matter the cost. Agape
---Luke on 7/23/14


Steveng, I believe you are confused. Please find ANY scripture stating the NT " hangs upon the 600+ laws" of the the OT. All that "Hung upon" the cross With Jesus Christ. May want to read the NT, especially on this issue Colossians , and most notably Colossians 2. But a good read of all of Colossians would do you good, if you let the TRUTH set you free.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/14


kathr4453: "Steveng, when will you ever post NT scriptures?

I do. Look at the last item in the list. Jesus would say, "Did ye never read in the scriptures..," What scriptures was he talking about since the NT was not written yet. Besides, 2 Timothy 3:16.



kathr4453: "Is it because you are not a NT Christian, and are void of understanding NT truths?"

You assume much and are giving false testimony. All of the NT is an extention of the OT. You cannot have the NT without the OT. The ultimate commandment is LOVE in which the two commandmts hang upon, of which the ten commandments hang upon, of which the 613 laws of Moses hang upon.
---Steveng on 7/21/14


Kathr, could you please explain what you meant by "Today Christians pray in the Spirit. Anything else is self effort...."

Are you saying that Christians who pour out their heart in actual words to God are not praying correctly? I feel that prayer is the most personal thing a human being ever does and what we say to God is no one else's business but I believe that He wants to hear OUR OWN WORDS. He wants us to have a conversation with Him and then He wants us to be quiet and listen to Him. That is the part I believe to be spiritual because most of us don't hear an audible voice.

If you mean something completely different please explain it.
---Rita_H on 7/21/14




Romans 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers,
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Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints,

Steveng, when will you ever post NT scriptures? And why do you deny NT directives? Is it because you are not a NT Christian, and are void of understanding NT truths?
---kathr4453 on 7/21/14


Steven,
The promise to heal the land was given to Solomon concerning the land to Israel (2 Chronicles 7:14). America was never mentioned in Scripture to be a Christian nation. The bad weather, earthquakes, and culture issues are happening everywhere in just about every country.
Christians are praying everywhere, in every country. Prayer is prayer, it is communicating with God. God hears our prayers, yet doesn't always answer what we want. He has controlled of all things. Sin is in every country. No amount of Christians can heal America, only God can heal America or any other country.
---Luke on 7/21/14


\\yet you still don't believe me.
---Steveng on 7/20/14\\

Why should we believe ANYTHING from the worldly denominational Church of Steveng?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/20/14


kathr4453, God says I heard your cry...

Psalm 55:17
Psalm 34:17
Psalm 39:12
Exodus 3:7
Exodus 22:23
2 Samuel 22:7
2 Chronicles 6:19
2 Chronicles 20:9
Psalm 5:2
Psalm 18:6
Psalm 22:2
Psalm 27:7
Psalm 28:2
Psalm 34:17
Psalm 40:1
Isaiah 30:19
Isaiah 42:2
Isaiah 65:19
Jeremiah 20:16
Jeremiah 25:36
Lamentations 2:19
Lamentations 3:56
Ezekiel 8:18
Micah 3:4
Habakkuk 1:2
Hebrews 5:7


When I first came to this website I paraphrased all that I knew from the bible and no one believed me. I then researched, because you people were too lazy to do your own reasearch, the exact verses to prove my point and yet you still don't believe me.
---Steveng on 7/20/14


Today Christians pray in the Spirit.

Anything else is self effort....
---kathr4453 on 7/19/14


1stcliff Steveng, What would be a definition of praying "hard" as opposed to praying in another mode?
Is it ,the harder one prays (whatever that means) more apt to get results than just praying softly? Curious ! "

Silent prayer:
2 Kings 20:2
many other prayers throughout the bible.

More urgent prayer:
2 Chronicles 6:40
Acts 12:5

Most urgent prayer by cryingout to the Lord:
Psalms 34:15
Psalms 66:17-20
---Steveng on 7/18/14


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\\Besides, there are thousands upon thousdand of different bible versions each having their own syntax and spellings. Which are right and which are wrong doesn't matter\\

But all the English ones are in standard English with accepted spellings.

\\, but what is spiritual does matter as long as some people understand what is being written.
\\

I've noticed, especially on these blogs, if a person doesn't spell a word right, he probably doesn't know what it means.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/14


Steveng, What would be a definition of praying "hard" as opposed to praying in another mode?
Is it ,the harder one prays (whatever that means) more apt to get results than just praying softly? Curious !
---1stcliff on 7/17/14


Cluny: "There's nothing spiritual about using non-standard English and text speech when quoting the Bible."

Proving once again that you have worldly knowledge of the bible, but deny its power. The bible, in itself, is not holy, it is God's words within the bible. Besides, there are thousands upon thousdand of different bible versions each having their own syntax and spellings. Which are right and which are wrong doesn't matter, but what is spiritual does matter as long as some people understand what is being written.
---Steveng on 7/17/14


Pray'get in on this thread, God bless Bro.Steveng, good point, all respect got a friend she don't know how to read or write.
She got more christian love than literate, educated folk! she lives by Faith!!
she never complains, like us.
she will take the little she has help homeless, poor and she is open to hear the gospel
it "blindfaith" NO doubts!
No school/ she was forced work on the farm.
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/17/14


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Sorry, Christians are not responsible for the wicked ways of unbelievers and are NOT called to POLICE this world in the name of Jesus.

That was spoken to a peoples who's law was a THEOCRACY.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/14


Kathr4453: God is sovereign. HE made the whole earth, everything in/on it is HIS. All lands belong to God. It is the people's sin(s) that polite any land( eg. Injustice, shedding of innocent blood, sacrificing humans to pagan gods). It was because of this HE drove the Canaanites out. This same punishment Israel received for the same offence. That verse, "if my people shall humble ...pray...heal..their ...land" applies to all not only Israel.
---Adetunji on 7/17/14


Adetunji on 7/17/14

No such covenant promise was given to Abraham concerning blessing land. The Abrahamic covenant to gentiles is about salvation and faith in Jesus Christ to all nations of the world YES. It's about faith vs Law.

That verse is about LAW and healing the land out of their disobedience that brought trouble to their promise land. That is not a general promise to all nations. And MY PEOPLE Israel being wicked and disobedient brought this to their land. TODAY Born Again Christians IN CHRIST are not WICKED by any stretch of the imagination and are not responsible for the Nations we live in that are heathen to begin with. Paul,Peter nor Any NT Apostle or any NT verses put the Body of Christ under any such directive!
---kathr4453 on 7/17/14


Cluny: The Lord Jesus Christ left His glory, came down to the earth to live with human-beings & show the true way to God. The youths are doing many things in the wrong way but we do not have to cut ourselves away totally from them. Like the Lord did, we have be close to them and humbly show them the right way.
---Adetunji on 7/17/14


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Rita_H: If God is not annoyed when the (1) current Italian language [formed from 5 older ones] (2) pidgin English, pidgin French (3) some ethnic languages that cannot be coded in abcd (4) English that came out of German Engels, are used to praise & pray to Him, i do not think HE is annoyed with the youths of today for developing text-speech to communicate with themselves & share Bible text. It is those of us who are unfamiliar with it that are annoyed when it is communicated to us.
---Adetunji on 7/17/14


Kathr4453: The Hebrew nation was chosen by God to make Himself known to all the earth. HIS blessing to Abraham was for all nations of the earth to be blessed. How does Gen.12:3 read in your Bible?
---Adetunji on 7/17/14


Rita_H: If God was not annoyed when (1) an Italian developed their current language out of 5 old ones (2) the people of niger-delta (Nigeria) uses pidgin-English as zonal lingua franca (3) some ethnic group use language that cannot be coded with abcd. All these are used to praise & pray to God. I do not think God is annoyed with the youths of today for developing this new way of communicating amongst themselves & Him. It is only strange to us who don't use it for anything.
---Adetunji on 7/17/14


Steveng, that verse does not apply to America. That was a covenant promise to Israel alone. God NEVER made a promise to a Gentile Nation, or promised earthly prosperity to any Gentile nation. THAT verse alone is the beginning of the prosperity gospel. Born Again Christians are NOT wicked in the first place, and Heaven is where our citizenship is. God NEVER promised to Heal American land, Asian land, China's land or any land but the Land given to Israel if they obeyed......so read Joshua for the beginning of this promise and to whom alone this promise was given.

Our blessings are Spiritual not earthly!
---kathr4453 on 7/17/14


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\\The founding fathers agreed when Thomas Jefferson wrote: "The Constitution allows people to do whatever they want, but it is the bible that keeps them from doing anything they want."\\

The Bible didn't keep Thomas Jefferson from having affairs with his slaves and siring children by them.

|| If one is to understand VOA, one must be in the spirit. The poor and uneducated have more faith in their pinky than most educated people.
||

There's nothing spiritual about using non-standard English and text speech when quoting the Bible.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/17/14


Samuelbb7: "But Constitutionally we are not a Christian nation we are a nation dedicated to freedom of all or no religion. "

The founding fathers agreed when Thomas Jefferson wrote: "The Constitution allows people to do whatever they want, but it is the bible that keeps them from doing anything they want."



As for attacking the "uneducated" in the way they communicate, some people on these blogs are way too educated in worldly matters to understand spiritual matters. If one is to understand VOA, one must be in the spirit. The poor and uneducated have more faith in their pinky than most educated people.
---Steveng on 7/16/14


Hello, love.jesus, often it has cross my mind, too" what age group mostly on Cnt? "you could be right. I am in my 60' gratefull...
thanks!
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/17/14


I think almost everyone here on Christianet blogs is over 60.
---love.jesus on 7/16/14


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\\The norm in social communication among the youths of today is speech-text.
Though it takes more time for some of us to read, we still understand it.\\

But should it be encouraged or even tolerated?

It's normal for many young men to go around with their pants pulled down to their nether regions, showing most of their underwear and more than a little of their glutei maximi.

Do you find that understandable? Should this be approved of or allowed?

I give a resounding NO to both and any crude behavior.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/14


\\The norm in social communication among the youths of today is speech-text.
Though it takes more time for some of us to read, we still understand it.\\

Mature adult matters, such as the Bible, should be expressed in mature adult language.

Writing like an immature person of limited literacy means THINKING like an immature person of limited literacy.

And for those who don't understand this:

d()()dz, rit rite.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/16/14


Cluny, you been on here, a long time.Cluny how you hurt others feelings, & you are hurting Your own self image.
God doesn't love you better for being educated.God expects us To SHOW LOVE not intimidation, degradation.

how come you can't be humble ?
Loving?not so critical, hurting the body of Christ? Instead of loving us?
What's really wrong deep down?
Pray before you answer.
Love of Jesus! Elena 9555
---Elena_9555 on 7/16/14


Adetunji, I hope that you are correct that the Lord will not be offended by text-speech. I also think that it is possible that this was done to save characters to say all that VOA wished to say in the allowance we have but, nevertheless, it is horrible to read. I speak personally, obviously, but I would not like Christianet to begin to look like an enormous text message. I don't use many abbreviations even in text messages but that's my personal choice. I just hope that this was a one-off.
---Rita_H on 7/16/14


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Cluny: The Lord may not be disturbed with speech-text like you and I. The Lord reads the hearts of men.
The norm in social communication among the youths of today is speech-text.
Though it takes more time for some of us to read, we still understand it.
It is dangerous to shut-down communications from people that do not express themselves the way we want it.
---Adetunji on 7/16/14


VOA, it would, probably, have taken less time to write your comment in good standard English than it must have taken you to write it the way you have. It makes my eyes hurt to read it and this is the only answer you'll receive from me to this or any other similar 'offerings' you make here.

I don't know if you wish to stand out in a crowd or not but please understand this:- most people who stand out in a crowd in this way are ridiculed rather than applauded.
---Rita_H on 7/16/14


The personal attacks posted on these blogs are sometimes interesting, but I'm not sure that they accomplish much...
---love.jesus on 7/15/14


\\Are you a better judge of other people's post than the Moderators of this site, who have read the post & allowed it to be listed here because it is meaningful? \\

There are a lot of meaningless posts on here.

\\Your education that you hold in high esteem may be meaningless without an iota of politeness to people you do not know! \\

While I have a doctorate, I still learned to write in standard English before I got out of elementary school.

Of course, I graduated from high school in the 60's when there were still literacy standards in public schools.

And you don't think Christ is glorified by infantile spelling or text speech, do you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/14


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\\You do not give glory to Jesus by been so rash & unforgiving.
---Adetunji on 7/15/14\\

If one writes like a brainless airhead, it means he THINKS like a brainless airhead.

And if one quotes the Bible in text speech, it means he doesn't take the Word of God seriously.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/15/14


Cluny:// If you don't have the maturity to write in standard English//
Master of English language use or a bully, which one are you?
Are you a better judge of other people's post than the Moderators of this site, who have read the post & allowed it to be listed here because it is meaningful?
Your education that you hold in high esteem may be meaningless without an iota of politeness to people you do not know!
You do not give glory to Jesus by been so rash & unforgiving.
---Adetunji on 7/15/14


We no better,than in days of Noah, they 'partying,fornicating, etc.
& God wiped Out the earth of people

,We are being silenced slowly, but surely,Christians no more worship like openly, no talk of our father openly!
God(The God we Christians serve)
In NO public place.like the halls,Library,schools, court houses, etc..
'under Big Brother
Eyes..We better prepare for like it says in Rev.12:11, we see how innocent children are being taken kidnapped forced to serve another "type of God" this is happening, all
over more than we can imagine ..
Christians being persecuted other countries, it's coming, we going see more of this coming worldwide ...
Seriously,
Love of Jesus!
---Elena_9555 on 7/15/14


My opinion, how is God, first of all He is holy, how will a sovereign God help a nation or let me say worldwide all countries, abortion killing of innocent babies, rampid abuse of our nation & other nations, lack of respect for God, church, home, family, drugs has become a way of life to man on 5 continents! God is tired of a stiff neck people,nation against nation, raping, killing,laws men marry men, women marry women, no shame, no recourse except thunder, hail, fire, strange weather in divers places!! Too, much SIN going on in the world,we have turn our back on God, MOST near all nations!!! SOMEBODY GOT TO SHOW SOME RESPECT!!! GOD AIN'T THROUGH WITH US YET!! Bk with my verses.love of Jesus!!! Elena 9555
---Elena_9555 on 7/15/14


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Since the beginning, Gen.3:17,18,19.Ph.2:21,Pro.3:5,
Gen.1:27 Deu.28:15-24.
Pro.16:25,Pro.29:16,
Pro.2:12-15,Eccl.3:14, 2Tim.3:2 2Tim:3:3,2Tim.3:4. Col.3:5,
1Cor.6:9,10,1Cor.6:18.Ep.4:27.
1Cor.6:18
Rom.8:5,6,7,8.

Love of Jesus! Elena 9555
---Elena_9555 on 7/15/14


\\MAT24:3-10 3.as he sat on the Mt of Olives, the disciples came asking, when wil these things b? N what wil b the sign of ur coming, n of the end of the world?\\

If you don't have the maturity to write in standard English, at least have the reverence and respect for God's Word not to quote the Bible in text speech.

OK?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/14


MAT24:3-10 3.as he sat on the Mt of Olives, the disciples came asking, when wil these things b? N what wil b the sign of ur coming, n of the end of the world?4.n Jesus said, Take heed that no man deceive u.5.many wil come in my name, saying, I am Christ, n wil deceive many.6.n u wil hear of wars n rumours of wars: c that U b not troubled: all these things must come 2 pass, but the end is not yet.7.nation wil rise against nation, n kingdom against kingdom: n there wil b famines, n pestilences, n earthquakes, in many places.8.All these r the beginning of sorrows.9. Then they will deliver u up 2 b afflicted, n wil kill u: n u wil b hated of all nations 4 my name's sake.10. n then many wil b offended, n wil btray 1 another, n wil hate 1 another.
---VOA on 7/14/14


This is were we part ways about what God does. He has all ready done his part. He is wait for us to agree with him. If that takes you 40 days of fasting go for it. But some may get their quicker than you just by repenting for not believing Jesus.
---Bryan on 7/14/14


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Samuel, an excellent response. Thank you for that.
---love.jesus on 7/14/14


Are you saying that the worldly denominational Church of Steveng doesn't have enough people praying for our land to be healed (whatever that might mean).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/14


Some were Royalist and some were for Independence. Among the founding fathers of the United States were Christians, Deists and Atheists.

But many Puritans worked to establish this country as a Christian nation a light on the hill to the world.

As those in the first Great Awakening taught and believed.

But Constitutionally we are not a Christian nation we are a nation dedicated to freedom of all or no religion.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/14/14


\\America is suppose to be a christian nation,\\

I don't know where you got that idea.

There is not ONE QUOTE from the Gospels in any of our founding documents.

The Treaty of Tripoli says in so many words that the government of the USA is "in no way founded on the Christian religion."

Remember that at the time of the Revolution, conservative Bible believers were royalists.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/14/14


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Sometimes prayer is not the only requirement for God to heal. We, sometimes, have a physical part to play and a complete turn-around in our thoughts and actions before God acts.
---Rita_H on 7/14/14


//If the Lord promises to heal our land...//

He didn't make that promise. However, Proverbs does say, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people."

//Aren't the Christians praying hard enough?//

What does that mean? How does one pray "hard enough?"

//this applies ONLY to old Israel, and not to the modern secular socialist state using its name.//

True, that it applies to Israel. However to say "old Israel" implies God doesn't keep His promises.

Interesting, "Old Israel," was also a socialist and secular state. In addition, today Israel is still a very Jewish religious state.
---Rod4Him on 7/14/14


Where did you get the idea that God promised to heal our land?

God has NEVER been in a covenant relationship with the USA or any other nation but old Israel.

The USA has NEVER been called by God's name.

Therefore, this applies ONLY to old Israel, and not to the modern secular socialist state using its name.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 7/13/14


2nd Chron.7 v 14. There is sin in the camp. The catastrophic weather is all part of the destruction of this earth. Hotter heat waves etc. another, type into n look up, Ice boulders on lake Mich. The picture of the lady is picking up bout a 75 pound ice boulder. In Rev. it talks bout great hail stones, the weight of a talent. I guess that's bout 75 - 100 pnd hail stones. As like in the pict, even bigger, can you imagine hail stones falling from the sky that big. Still all part of this earths destruction when that time comes.
---Lawrence on 7/13/14


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It only takes one.
---Bryan on 7/13/14


"As you sow, so shall you reap." Since we have put so many pollutants into the atmosphere, the climate has changed. God's not going to get us out of that one so easily just by begging him to. There is a price we must pay.
---love.jesus on 7/13/14


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